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Help In leaving Shiism
« on: October 18, 2016, 02:20:06 AM »
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Alhamdulilahi Rabbil Alameen
I am a convert to Shiasm from a Romanian And Greek background and i converted 1 year and a half ago in Muharram . i was seduced by the Persona of Ali. But now i am starting to having doubts. for example if Abu bakr omar and uthma  were kuffar why did Allah(Swt) permitted that they may be buried next to RasoulAllah(Saws) ? imagine Judas would be buried next to Isa (As) in christian history. anyways that is one point. Why is muta3 legal ? i heard that ins sunni fiqh masturbation is allowed if the person is tempted into Zina. now shias mock this but they allow Muta3..i am confused by masoom imams toi and imam mahdi. not saying anything they are exceptionnal people but masoom ?.. Why is Imam Mahdi hiding ? why is taqqiya so important "9/10 parts of the religion ". i think it id ghulaaw. i also heard that pilgrimage to karbala is worth 20 pilmigrage to makkah .. this is too much. another guy told me that Imam Hassan and Hussein will reward me as they are master of paradise ..wtf ! or that fatima Will hold our hand whe  the two angels come at death.. i am not trying to mock the shia because i see a lot of sunnis doing that here and it is not ok. Sunni to me are closer to Tawhid and Qur'an but i cant accept what certain sahabas did like Umar supposedly killing fatima ,Insulting RasoulAllah(Saws) ,  abu bakr killing people for Zakat or Khalid Al Walid raping a girl.. can someone please enlighten me on this. I am so depressed right now ,i feel that my life has no purpose as Islam is everything to me i do not want to leave it but for now  shiaism dosent make sense anymore and Sunnism is attractive but i need clarification on the sahabas story .
JazakhAllah
Wasalam !

Farid

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2016, 06:21:47 AM »
Welcome to the boards brother Ali.

It is good to see that your fitra has led you to questions that many Shias struggle with confidentially. This is, without a doubt, a blessing from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

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i cant accept what certain sahabas did like Umar supposedly killing fatima ,Insulting RasoulAllah(Saws) ,  abu bakr killing people for Zakat or Khalid Al Walid raping a girl.. can someone please enlighten me on this.

You can rest assured that none of the above is accurate with the exception of one thing, which I will get to below.

- In brief, there is a consensus among Sunnis that Umar did NOT kill Fatima.
- Sunnis hold the belief that insulting the Prophet - peace be upon him - can lead to being taken out of the fold of Islam, so you can also be sure that no Sunni intentionally insults the Prophet - peace be upon him - .
- Khalid bin Al-Waleed did not rape any women.

The above are lies that are circulated again and again by Shias, which is why it is hard for Shias to even be open to the other point of view. They have not heard the other point of view, nor are they open to.

The only point that you mentioned that is correct is that Abu Bakr fought those that did not pay Zakat. According to many Sunni scholars, not praying or not paying zakat takes you out of the fold of Islam. Others said that not performing anyone of the five pillars takes you out of Islam. I am sure that you are aware of the hadith in which the Prophet - peace be upon him - says, "Islam was built upon five things..." From these things, he included Zakat. 

You should also know that Zakat was not the main reason that Abu Bakr fought other Arab tribes. He also fought those that followed false prophets and those that left Islam after the Prophet - peace be upon him - died.

If you have any other questions or seek clarification please let me know. You have come to the right place to have your doubts answered.

May Allah guide you.

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2016, 07:33:07 AM »
Salam Alaykoum Akhi Farid thank you for your answer. you see my doubts are starting to go away as i watch more and more videos of Sunni Sheikhs refuting shia claims such as the claims of Ghadir who were just to Tell the people that Ali shouldn't be criticized. that makes sense because i believe that if RasoulAllah(Saws) wanted Ali to become khulafa he would have said it in the last pilgrimage sermon because everybody was there why would he say it at Ghadir a random place. plus shias created an Id just for it. anyways. i am starting to see new things that i didn't see before. i am still struggling with arguments such as did Umar insulted RasoulAllah(Saws) on his deathbed ? Why does Sahih Bukhari says that Prophet (Saws) was bewitched or wanted to commit suicide ? dosen't that contravene the Qur'an ?  but i know i will never be shia again .  .. it seems that Shaytan wants me to abandon religion by depressing me . Audhu Billah. and thanks for pointing out the reasons why Abu Bakr Fought The Apopstates. my last question is : they say that all the merits given to Abu Bakr or Umar were created by Ummayyads to discredit Ali. is that true ? is it even proven ? i even heard yasser al habib said that when RasoulAllah(saws) is in the cavern he said that Allah(Swt) sent his sakina only on Muhammad(Saws) and not on Abu Bakr because he was a munafiq. it seems unrealistic to  me but anyways hope someone can clear this for me
Wasalam !
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 07:35:16 AM by Ali Emanoil Muhammad »

Farid

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2016, 10:04:49 AM »
Wa alaykum alsalam akhi,

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that makes sense because i believe that if RasoulAllah(Saws) wanted Ali to become khulafa he would have said it in the last pilgrimage sermon because everybody was there why would he say it at Ghadir a random place.

Very true.

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i am still struggling with arguments such as did Umar insulted RasoulAllah(Saws) on his deathbed ?

Umar did not insult him on his deathbed. The narration simply says that some companions said, "Is he delusional?" It does not say that Umar said this. It is important to keep in mind that the Prophet - peace be upon him - was literally on his death bed, was extremely sick, and was having trouble speaking. If he did not have trouble speaking, then nobody would ask if he was delusional.

Umar, in order to let the Prophet - peace be upon him - rest, says, "The book of Allah is sufficient for us."

Shias try to make it seem that the Sahaba were accusing the Prophet - peace be upon him - of being delusional in order to not make Ali a successor. However, the Sahaba never did this on Ghadeer, nor in any other of the alleged times in which Ali was appointed. This was only done when he was on his deathbed, which makes it clear that it was a sincere question and they were not aware of what he was saying.

In a hadith in Al-Bukhari, he says, "I feel twice as much pain (because of death) than any of you." I don't know about you brother, but I have seen someone on their deathbed, and they had a LOT of trouble speaking, so I can understand how people can be confused.

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Why does Sahih Bukhari says that Prophet (Saws) was bewitched or wanted to commit suicide ?

This hadith is no authentic. Al-Bukhari only authenticates connected reports and this is a hadith that he included in his book with a disconnection. In other words, Al-Bukhari did not include it in his book with the opinion that it was authentic.

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my last question is : they say that all the merits given to Abu Bakr or Umar were created by Ummayyads to discredit Ali. is that true ?

Good question. I do not believe that Ummayyads were successful in fabricating hadiths of merits for Abu Bakr or Umar, because there priority should be their leader Mu'awiyah. As you know, the vast majority of the narrations about the merits of Mu'awiyah are weak. There is only one narration that some scholars believe is authentic. Other scholars believe that there is not a single authentic hadith about him as a merit.

One the other hand, we have many pro-Ali narrations. If Bani Ummayyah were good at containing hadiths, then there would be no pro-Ali hadiths. If they were good at fabricating hadiths, we would have a lot of authentic pro-Mu'awiyah hadiths.

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i even heard yasser al habib said that when RasoulAllah(saws) is in the cavern he said that Allah(Swt) sent his sakina only on Muhammad(Saws) and not on Abu Bakr because he was a munafiq.

I believe that the Prophet - peace be upon him - did not need Sakeenah, since he was already in a state of Sakeenah. The verse says, "Sakeenah was then brought to him." I believe him is Abu Bakr.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 10:06:59 AM by Farid »

Optimus Prime

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2016, 02:04:21 PM »
Asalamualaikum akhi.

May Allah give you strength to abandon the religion of Iblis (LA), and accept the true essence of Islam.

Farid, has clarified your main concerns in question, but I wanted to share some links clarifying the matter that there are no authentic virtue of regarding Mu'awiyah (RA), and the Hadith in Bukhari saying the Prophet (SAW) had some form of back-magic done on him (SAW).

Regarding the Hadith in Bukhari, please read this:

https://islamqa.info/en/68814


Regarding that there no virtues of Mu'awiyah (RA), please read this:

http://askimam.org/public/announcement/106
http://hadithanswers.com/the-general-status-of-the-virtues-of-muawiyah-radiyallahuanhu/

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2016, 05:37:26 PM »
Salam Alaykoum ! Thank you brother Farid ! wow this is really clearing a lot of misconceptions for me. as for Muawiyya i still dislike him . Islamqa is a pro salafi pro yazid website. if i join Ahlus sunnah i will be sunni not Salafi and follow Abu Hanifa. Muawiyya and Yazid used to get advise from christians for example Yazid killed Hussein on the advise of a christian and this is not a shia  source i am saying its an historical one

Farid

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2016, 06:10:57 PM »
Salam Alaykoum ! Thank you brother Farid ! wow this is really clearing a lot of misconceptions for me. as for Muawiyya i still dislike him . Islamqa is a pro salafi pro yazid website. if i join Ahlus sunnah i will be sunni not Salafi and follow Abu Hanifa. Muawiyya and Yazid used to get advise from christians for example Yazid killed Hussein on the advise of a christian and this is not a shia  source i am saying its an historical one

No problem brother. =]


Don't worry, it is not obligatory for one to like Mu'awiyah or Yazeed in order to become Sunni. ;p

Hani

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2016, 06:35:20 PM »
Salam `Alaykum brother Emanuel, I am the one who contacted you on youtube, I can understand what you're going through since my grandfather was Chrsitian Maronite and my grandmother was a Shia but I'm a regular Muslim (Sunni) Alhamdulillah.

I can give you some relevant resources related to your points, read up and learn may God bless you.

You mentioned Mut`ah, Shia will argue that Mut`ah is a solution for social problems, this isn't true, I have recorded a lecture on Mut`ah that you can see here:


You have mentioned the hidden so called 12th Imam (Mahdi), here are some of my articles on the subject:
http://twelvershia.net/2013/08/26/the-shia-mahdi-useless/
http://twelvershia.net/2015/10/30/the-shia-mahdi/
http://twelvershia.net/2015/05/10/issues-of-ghaybah/
http://twelvershia.net/2016/06/17/the-mass-transmitted-secret-12th-imams-mutawatir-birth/

You mentioned "`Umar insulted the Prophet (saw) on his deathbed", please read here:
http://twelvershia.net/2016/05/03/answer-to-the-calamity-of-thursday-pen-and-paper-hadith/
http://www.sjiieten-ontmaskerd.nl/AhlelBayt.com/www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/sahabah/pen-and-paper.html



عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2016, 11:32:29 PM »
MashaAllah ! i understand now why Umar said what he said thanks brother Hani.. lol very different from what shias say. and yes about the mahdi it always seemed like bullshit to me lol why would he go away for such a long time and leave amongst people ''ayatullahs'' who differ among themselves on such small issues such as fasting or praying. anyways my doubt are clearing alhamdulilah. my last doubts is :how does Sunni interpret i leave among you the Qur'an and my Ahlul bayt ? that if we leave one of them we shall go astray. Because this hadith is way more sahih than Qur'an and Sunnah. i also heard that imam nisa'i died because he was a lover of Ali and he was a sunni lol.. so how can they say that sunnis dont love Ali ? Mut3a is immoral and has always been to me its disgusting even as a shia i found it disgusting to use a woman for an hour or a day and leave her after ..someone can explain me the Hadith of Thaqlayn thing?
Jazakhallah Wasalam !

Farid

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2016, 12:10:09 AM »
my last doubts is :how does Sunni interpret i leave among you the Qur'an and my Ahlul bayt ? that if we leave one of them we shall go astray. Because this hadith is way more sahih than Qur'an and Sunnah.

The Shias play around with the wording of the hadith.

In Saheeh Muslim, it says: Hold onto the Qur'an and I remind you (to take care) of my Ahlulbayt.

I am not aware of any authentic narration that says: Hold onto Ahlulbayt.

However, even if we were supposed to hold onto Ahlulbayt, then we are doing a better job than the Shias in doing so, since we take Ahlulbayt narrations from the students in Madinah. Shias take from the Kufa students of Ahlulbayt, which is why Shias have so many contradictions since the Kufan students were often liars. Remember, the Imams all grew up and lived in Madinah. They barely spent any time in Kufa.

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2016, 12:51:46 AM »
indeed i see your point.. now i know i do a lot of asking and responding to myself but i always wondered. If sunnis are not honest and dont follow ahlul bayt why would they leave these narrations in their Sahih Books ? why would they leave the Merits of Ali and of Ahlul-Bayt ? ..it dosent make sense
Also last but no least : What about the hadiths of the 12 rulers and that all of them will be from Quraish ? it is supposedly the most narrated hadiths ever ?

p.s: do any brothers here have whatsapp so we can talk more extensively ? jazakhallah wasalam !
« Last Edit: October 19, 2016, 12:57:02 AM by Ali Emanoil Muhammad »

Farid

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2016, 01:06:20 AM »
See your private message inbox brother. =]

Hani

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2016, 01:10:44 AM »
Here's an advanced research I did on the tradition of "Thaqalayn", it just has a lot more detail if you need:
http://twelvershia.net/2013/10/26/hadith-of-thaqalayn/

The narration of the 12 rulers, it is addressed here in detail:
http://twelvershia.net/2015/05/12/hadith-of-twelve-caliphs/

I also recorded a lecture on it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hR0n24xaMw
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2016, 09:08:33 AM »
Check some of this information

http://www.chiite.fr/en/

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Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2016, 02:46:02 PM »
Welcome to the forum dear brother.
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Optimus Prime

Re: Help In leaving Shiism
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2016, 02:13:43 AM »
Salam Alaykoum ! Thank you brother Farid ! wow this is really clearing a lot of misconceptions for me. as for Muawiyya i still dislike him . Islamqa is a pro salafi pro yazid website. if i join Ahlus sunnah i will be sunni not Salafi and follow Abu Hanifa. Muawiyya and Yazid used to get advise from christians for example Yazid killed Hussein on the advise of a christian and this is not a shia  source i am saying its an historical one

Respected brother.

islamqa.info provides sufficient evidence to back up their claim. Even if they are pro-Salafi one should study the proof that's been brought forward.

HadithAnswers is not a pro-Salafi site.

I implore you to read both links.

Jazak'Allah.

 

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