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Title: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Kim Jong-Un on August 09, 2018, 07:50:57 PM
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Hadrami on August 11, 2018, 01:35:41 AM
wa alaykumusalam bro, which balkan country are you from? Ehy did you avoid "Turk" Islam in the beginning, did shia tell you sunni is a turk thing?

PS: shiaism spread in iran by safawi dynasty which started by turk dominated qizilbash
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Qamar Farooq on August 11, 2018, 03:35:06 AM
Assalamualakum brother.

Welcome to the light. I have a humble request from you. Please do an episode on "The Sunni Defense" channel on youtube of your journey leaving shiaism. I know you described it here but an actual conversation is always better. I will be looking forward to it insahAllah
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 08:22:08 AM
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

I've read your post, first of all let me congratulate you for renouncing Shiaism and also on finding your new faith. Now back to your post, I've read all the comments and points you've made and nothing is new or different. The same old excuses which I've read and heard before. Your story doesn't even make any sense to begin with. I will address and comment on every single bit of your post as I usually do with others just to put the record straight. I won't comment on only what suits me and ignore the rest like the others. So you bear with me.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on August 11, 2018, 08:25:46 AM
I've read your post, first of all let me congratulate you for renouncing Shiaism and also on finding your new faith. Now back to your post, I've read all the comments and points you've made and nothing is new or different. The same old excuses which I've read and heard before. Your story doesn't even make any sense to begin with. I will address and comment on every single bit of your post as I usually do with others just to put the record straight. I won't comment on only what suits me and ignore the rest like the others. So you bear with me.
Which part of his story didn't make sense? Do you think Shias can't leave Shiism?
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 09:10:57 AM
Which part of his story didn't make sense? Do you think Shias can't leave Shiism?

Its not about leaving but about the story and the reasons given in that story. Let me address it.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 11:32:30 AM
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

"So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that"

Aren't you suppose to look into things before you get involved, or at least get some general understanding about it ? I want you to bear with me as well 😊

"i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity"

Why? Was it also because of a lot of research and sleepless nights?

"so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism"

This is interesting. So you started to research other religions INCLUDING ISLAM and you read A LOT on them but it never really spoke to you until you met a SHIA FRIEND? Wow! When it came to Islam what did you actually read? Other religions as well as the entire world knows that Islam boils down to generally Shia and Sunni. So if you belong to another religion and you want to get to know a bit about Islam then what made you look into the minority (Shia) only where as the majority is Sunni?

"shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us"

Islam today has many faces and we need to thank Caliphate for that but that's a different subject for some other time. Sunni Islam also has many faces such has Alqaidah, Talibaan, ISIS or ISIL etc the list goes on. These are the extremists but you also have the moderate. I will address the other important things you've raised.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Kim Jong-Un on August 11, 2018, 12:01:35 PM
I've read your post, first of all let me congratulate you for renouncing Shiaism and also on finding your new faith. Now back to your post, I've read all the comments and points you've made and nothing is new or different. The same ol
d excuses which I've read and heard before. Your story doesn't even make any sense to begin with. I will address and comment on every single bit of your post as I usually do with others just to put the record straight. I won't comment on only what suits me and ignore the rest like the others. So you bear with me.

Of course it dosen't make sense to you because since Shiism is mostly a cultural expression of all the paganistic traditions of the east you feel like leaving shiism is also leaving "your culture" . I knew some random dude would try to "expose me " lol but  you are not your friends from bayat al ghadeer and i am not some random sunni so you can't fool me. I know more on Shiism than most shias do . And i know you are mad and sad but accept it shias are between 7-11% of the muslim population and it will never go beyond . Even in khamenei ruled Iran , Iranians are leaving religion in droves and come to Sunnah or become atheists and christians . Funny how ex muslims  christians are mostly Shias since it's easier to embrace trinity when you already worship 12 deities . Most new muslims become Sunni so what is your point ?

I just think that hitting yourself too much with swords has affected you
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 12:54:54 PM
Of course it dosen't make sense to you because since Shiism is mostly a cultural expression of all the paganistic traditions of the east you feel like leaving shiism is also leaving "your culture" . I knew some random dude would try to "expose me " lol but  you are not your friends from bayat al ghadeer and i am not some random sunni so you can't fool me. I know more on Shiism than most shias do . And i know you are mad and sad but accept it shias are between 7-11% of the muslim population and it will never go beyond . Even in khamenei ruled Iran , Iranians are leaving religion in droves and come to Sunnah or become atheists and christians . Funny how ex muslims  christians are mostly Shias since it's easier to embrace trinity when you already worship 12 deities . Most new muslims become Sunni so what is your point ?

I just think that hitting yourself too much with swords has affected you

Your latest rants now tell me that I was right. You've exposed yourself with your rants on Shiaism and against Shias. These rants only come from someone who holds a personal grudge from day one and is raised that way. I am no random dude and you are no convert. I accept that Shias might be between 7 to 11 % but this is exactly what surprises me that you did a lot of research on other religions including Islam, which percentage was that research based on 😊 Rather than answering and addressing you came out with personal attacks and rants and that most definitely exposed you.

You know more on Shiaism then most Shias do, well I've certainly heard that one before. 😀 How much research have you done about the sect and belief you are on now? How well have you looked into where you've ended up 😊 I'm not mad and sad at all. What makes you think I am. As far as I'm concerned you can end up where ever you want. It doesn't bother me because you still are what you are from day one and that is an anti Shia. Your opening post told me that and your response has just proven it. Want to discuss what you know more than others. I don't thinkyou will. You're one of those who rants and raves and that's just about it.😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 01:29:45 PM
Of course it dosen't make sense to you because since Shiism is mostly a cultural expression of all the paganistic traditions of the east you feel like leaving shiism is also leaving "your culture" . I knew some random dude would try to "expose me " lol but  you are not your friends from bayat al ghadeer and i am not some random sunni so you can't fool me. I know more on Shiism than most shias do . And i know you are mad and sad but accept it shias are between 7-11% of the muslim population and it will never go beyond . Even in khamenei ruled Iran , Iranians are leaving religion in droves and come to Sunnah or become atheists and christians . Funny how ex muslims  christians are mostly Shias since it's easier to embrace trinity when you already worship 12 deities . Most new muslims become Sunni so what is your point ?

I just think that hitting yourself too much with swords has affected you

"Most new muslims become Sunni so what is your point ?"

Ok, you try and leave the rants and raves out and I will in return work along with you. Lets see if you can do better than the person who got in touch with me in private and wanted to do Dawah. He didn't last very long. In fact he couldn’t do Dawah at all. He just disappeared.

So you know more about Shiaism than the ones who have been born and raised, right. OK. I'm going to take you up on this. Now you've finally found the true path. Shiaism is wrong and Shias are full of crap. I've heard a lot on and about them. Now tell me about this newly found faith of yours. Lets hear it. 😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 03:09:51 PM
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

"i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense"

Ok, you can tell me about these things that made no sense in your own time.

"my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay"

You don't have to be a Shia to love Hussain and Ahlul Bayt. A lot of Sunnis do as well. And some non Muslims also recognise them.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 04:48:21 PM
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

"someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha:

So what happened to the hatred, and why was the hatred to begin with? I am Shia and I don't hate them. You don't have to hate to be a Shia.

"I started using my aql instead of my emotions"

No offence but shouldn't you have used your aql right from the very start? I've been using mine from day one 😊

You did mention that you studied Islam but it didn't appeal to you until you met a Shia. Why didn't it appeal to you before meeting and engaging with a Shia?

"The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis"

That's fine. If you find and consider it to be weak then don't accept and believe in it.  You don't have to believe in it to be and remain a Shia. It's that simple. We don't use anything against anyone. Let me make this clear. We only use to prove our point to some extent just as others do. We exercise our right just as the Sunnis and others do. There's no force in acceptance.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 05:05:05 PM
someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha:

So what happened to the hatred, and why was the hatred to begin with? I am Shia and I don't hate them. You don't have to hate to be a Shia.

"I started using my aql instead of my emotions"

No offence but shouldn't you have used your aql right from the very start? I've been using mine from day one 😊

You did mention that you studied Islam but it didn't appeal to you until you met a Shia. Why didn't it appeal to you before meeting and engaging with a Shia?

"The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis"

That's fine. If you find and consider it to be weak then don't accept and believe in it.  You don't have to believe in it to be and remain a Shia. It's that simple. We don't use anything against anyone. Let me make this clear. We only use to prove our point to some extent just as others do. We exercise our right just as the Sunnis and others do. There's no force in acceptance.

"The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer"

Once again don't believe in every single thing that is written or you find in books. The Sunnis don't believe in every single thing even in those books which they consider and label reliable and authentic.

"There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but"

There isn't and shouldn't be any ifs or buts. If you're not sure, you ask and question, not make your own assumptions.

There is no Tehreef, we believe in the Qur'an exactly the way you do.

"Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic"

Islam isn't dead according to Shiaism. I don't know where you got that from since we believe in divine leadership to begin with. And I don't know which Ayatollahs or Shia Mullahs you've been following and know.

"and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA)"

Please do enlighten me about this ORIGINAL ISLAM that you have finally found and embraced.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on August 11, 2018, 09:00:49 PM
Your latest rants now tell me that I was right. You've exposed yourself with your rants on Shiaism and against Shias. These rants only come from someone who holds a personal grudge from day one and is raised that way. I am no random dude and you are no convert. I accept that Shias might be between 7 to 11 % but this is exactly what surprises me that you did a lot of research on other religions including Islam, which percentage was that research based on 😊 Rather than answering and addressing you came out with personal attacks and rants and that most definitely exposed you.

You know more on Shiaism then most Shias do, well I've certainly heard that one before. 😀 How much research have you done about the sect and belief you are on now? How well have you looked into where you've ended up 😊 I'm not mad and sad at all. What makes you think I am. As far as I'm concerned you can end up where ever you want. It doesn't bother me because you still are what you are from day one and that is an anti Shia. Your opening post told me that and your response has just proven it. Want to discuss what you know more than others. I don't thinkyou will. You're one of those who rants and raves and that's just about it.😊
The only one ranting is you. You have no proof that he was never a Shia. You just can't accept the fact that he left Shiism.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: MuslimK on August 11, 2018, 09:47:10 PM
So what happened to the hatred, and why was the hatred to begin with? I am Shia and I don't hate them. You don't have to hate to be a Shia.

He is not talking about your personal views. Rather he means the Twelver Imami Shia sect which is based on hate, slander and takfir of great righteous men like Abubakr & Omar.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 11, 2018, 10:20:36 PM
The only one ranting is you. You have no proof that he was never a Shia. You just can't accept the fact that he left Shiism.

Read my response and the points I have made addressing his without being prejudice then you will be able to see clearly. 😊 As far as he left this and embraced that, I couldn't care less. Because it's got nothing to do with me. 😊Only responding to what I see as propaganda 😊 And if it isn't then I'm sure he will have it out with me in a positive manner by answering and addressing 😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Kim Jong-Un on August 12, 2018, 01:24:47 AM
Lol brothers and sisters let this pathetic beta male with mental issues rant

InshaAllah like the brother above mentionned i will make a video on the sunni defense channel people will be able to see that i look like a typical slavic /eastern european
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Abu Muhammad on August 12, 2018, 01:29:25 AM
Read my response and the points I have made addressing his without being prejudice then you will be able to see clearly. 😊 As far as he left this and embraced that, I couldn't care less. Because it's got nothing to do with me. 😊Only responding to what I see as propaganda 😊 And if it isn't then I'm sure he will have it out with me in a positive manner by answering and addressing 😊

Points you've made addressing his?

In all 5 of your responded posts so far, they are just generic & cheap points. Equivalent to ranting.

In fact, you posed more questions than your so-called points... 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on August 12, 2018, 03:05:13 AM
Read my response and the points I have made addressing his without being prejudice then you will be able to see clearly. 😊 As far as he left this and embraced that, I couldn't care less. Because it's got nothing to do with me. 😊Only responding to what I see as propaganda 😊 And if it isn't then I'm sure he will have it out with me in a positive manner by answering and addressing 😊
I can clearly see that you're emotional Shia who can't accept Shias using their sense and leaving Shiism. For you being a Shia is more of a cult/cultural thing.
You should start using your brain instead of going on emotional rants.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 12, 2018, 07:49:05 AM
I can clearly see that you're emotional Shia who can't accept Shias using their sense and leaving Shiism. For you being a Shia is more of a cult/cultural thing.
You should start using your brain instead of going on emotional rants.

Either join in to answer my questions and address my points, engage in a positive and constructive discussion or stay quite and stop trying to divert attention. Me asking questions and making points results in me being emotional, why? Where do you see the emotions?
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on August 12, 2018, 08:08:39 AM
Either join in to answer my questions and address my points, engage in a positive and constructive discussion or stay quite and stop trying to divert attention. Me asking questions and making points results in me being emotional, why? Where do you see the emotions?
Your questions are for the brother not me.
"Divert attention"? You do that in every post on this forum. A member will ask a simple question and you'll reply in thousands of questions.
You accused the brother of lying. What proof do you have? The points you brought up are the same points typical rafida bring to prove that ex Shias are lying.
You want people to talk to you in a positive manner while you act like a sly rafida.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 12, 2018, 08:33:36 AM
Your questions are for the brother not me.
"Divert attention"? You do that in every post on this forum. A member will ask a simple question and you'll reply in thousands of questions.
You accused the brother of lying. What proof do you have? The points you brought up are the same points typical rafida bring to prove that ex Shias are lying.
You want people to talk to you in a positive manner while you act like a sly rafida.

"Your questions are for the brother not me"

Then stay quiet unless you want to contribute in a positive manner.

"You do that in every post on this forum"

Give me one example.

"A member will ask a simple question and you'll reply in thousands of questions"

And I will give an in depth and detailed answer. But just to silence you, go on and ask a question and I'll give you a simple answer. But not an answer that you want and are looking for, that's the problem.

"You accused the brother of lying"

I don't accuse people, I'm not anti this or that. Accusing is what this site and its members do. All I did was put out the flaws in his post and addressed the accusations he made about Shiaism. I also expressed my thought and opinion since I believe in democracy. I didn't insult anyone or humiliate anyone's mother which I have experienced.

"The points you brought up are the same points typical rafida bring to prove that ex Shias are lying"

And the story that he's told has been mentioned and heard of many times over. It's been used as a propaganda technique and such tactics are being used.

If I am wrong, which I could be since I ain't arrogant or ignorant, then let him answer and address the key questions and points.

"You want people to talk to you in a positive manner while you act like a sly rafida"

No, I just want people not be afraid or hesitant like "oh, well you ask too many questions". Well build the strength and have the courage to at least answer some of them 😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on August 12, 2018, 09:17:57 AM
"Your questions are for the brother not me"

Then stay quiet unless you want to contribute in a positive manner.

"You do that in every post on this forum"

Give me one example.

"A member will ask a simple question and you'll reply in thousands of questions"

And I will give an in depth and detailed answer. But just to silence you, go on and ask a question and I'll give you a simple answer. But not an answer that you want and are looking for, that's the problem.

"You accused the brother of lying"

I don't accuse people, I'm not anti this or that. Accusing is what this site and its members do. All I did was put out the flaws in his post and addressed the accusations he made about Shiaism. I also expressed my thought and opinion since I believe in democracy. I didn't insult anyone or humiliate anyone's mother which I have experienced.

"The points you brought up are the same points typical rafida bring to prove that ex Shias are lying"

And the story that he's told has been mentioned and heard of many times over. It's been used as a propaganda technique and such tactics are being used.

If I am wrong, which I could be since I ain't arrogant or ignorant, then let him answer and address the key questions and points.

"You want people to talk to you in a positive manner while you act like a sly rafida"

No, I just want people not be afraid or hesitant like "oh, well you ask too many questions". Well build the strength and have the courage to at least answer some of them 😊
Is holding a grudge part of your positive manner?
If you're allowed to hijack people's thread than you shouldn't have any problem with me posting.
Please reread your posts. When you were asked about imamah you replied with questions instead giving an answer.

"To know someone you need to learn about them by getting to know them".   Did you take your own advice? Did you get to know the brother!? No you didn't, you just went on a rant.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 12, 2018, 10:38:57 AM
Is holding a grudge part of your positive manner?
If you're allowed to hijack people's thread than you shouldn't have any problem with me posting.
Please reread your posts. When you were asked about imamah you replied with questions instead giving an answer.

"To know someone you need to learn about them by getting to know them".   Did you take your own advice? Did you get to know the brother!? No you didn't, you just went on a rant.

Are you really that bias or prejudice or may be both. Can't you see or you don't want to see and turn a blind eye to what others say and how they behave. Why just focus on me. I don't hold a grudge, you hold it against Shias by the looks of it. What do you think this site is all about, and how do the members think and behave towards Shiaism and Shias.

I know your kind sitting on the sideline jumping in just to divert attention. Give it a rest and let the man respond. I'm sure he can look after himself.

I don't have a problem with you posting as long as you want to contribute. And that's not what you're doing. But I'll give you a chance and put you to the test. Shiaism is a culture according to you and I have problem leaving it. OK, you tell me what you believe in and why. Lets see what you've got.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 12, 2018, 11:36:24 AM
Is holding a grudge part of your positive manner?
If you're allowed to hijack people's thread than you shouldn't have any problem with me posting.
Please reread your posts. When you were asked about imamah you replied with questions instead giving an answer.

"To know someone you need to learn about them by getting to know them".   Did you take your own advice? Did you get to know the brother!? No you didn't, you just went on a rant.

Here you are, take a note of this.

"When a group of companions visited the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.), he (s.a.w.a.) ordered them:

آتُوْنِیْ بِدَوَاتٍ وَ قِرْطَاسٍ اِکْتُبُ لَکُمْ کِتَابًا لَنْ تَضِلُّوْا بَعْدَہ اَبَدًا

“Fetch me a pen and a paper so that I write a will for you so that you are not deviated after me.”

Umar said:

اِنَّ النَّبِیَّ غَلَبَہ الْوَجْعُ وَ عِنْدَکُمْ کِتَابُ اللهِ، حَسْبُنَا کِتَابُ اللهِ۔

“Surely the Prophet is overcome by illness (suggesting that his words should not be taken seriously).The Book of Allah is with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us!!!”

Go on, do something useful and worthy for a change. Defend the Prophet's s.a.w honour and reputation.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on August 13, 2018, 04:22:05 AM
Are you really that bias or prejudice or may be both. Can't you see or you don't want to see and turn a blind eye to what others say and how they behave. Why just focus on me. I don't hold a grudge, you hold it against Shias by the looks of it. What do you think this site is all about, and how do the members think and behave towards Shiaism and Shias.

I know your kind sitting on the sideline jumping in just to divert attention. Give it a rest and let the man respond. I'm sure he can look after himself.

I don't have a problem with you posting as long as you want to contribute. And that's not what you're doing. But I'll give you a chance and put you to the test. Shiaism is a culture according to you and I have problem leaving it. OK, you tell me what you believe in and why. Lets see what you've got.
One of the member did go to far but it's not like you didn't say anything either. Do you think I didn't see your snarky comments? You have victim mentality.
When the op responded you kept saying that he has been exposed. You came up with a bunch of generic excuses.
I believe that you're emotionally attached to your religion. You're like those old backwards type of people.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on August 13, 2018, 04:24:00 AM
Here you are, take a note of this.

"When a group of companions visited the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.), he (s.a.w.a.) ordered them:

آتُوْنِیْ بِدَوَاتٍ وَ قِرْطَاسٍ اِکْتُبُ لَکُمْ کِتَابًا لَنْ تَضِلُّوْا بَعْدَہ اَبَدًا

“Fetch me a pen and a paper so that I write a will for you so that you are not deviated after me.”

Umar said:

اِنَّ النَّبِیَّ غَلَبَہ الْوَجْعُ وَ عِنْدَکُمْ کِتَابُ اللهِ، حَسْبُنَا کِتَابُ اللهِ۔

“Surely the Prophet is overcome by illness (suggesting that his words should not be taken seriously).The Book of Allah is with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us!!!”

Go on, do something useful and worthy for a change. Defend the Prophet's s.a.w honour and reputation.
https://islamqa.info/en/134757
Can you defend Shia version of Ali? Why didn't he protect his family when they were being attacked?
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 13, 2018, 08:00:34 AM
One of the member did go to far but it's not like you didn't say anything either. Do you think I didn't see your snarky comments? You have victim mentality.
When the op responded you kept saying that he has been exposed. You came up with a bunch of generic excuses.
I believe that you're emotionally attached to your religion. You're like those old backwards type of people.

Are you for real. I just asked you about your belief and faith. Tell me about it and help me move forward. 😊

"One of the member did go to far but it's not like you didn't say anything either"

And which member was that? And what exactly did I say?

"Do you think I didn't see your snarky"

And which comments were those? Do you even bother to see and read the comments of others? Or are we bias?

"You have victim mentality"

Thank you very much. So you know our history. You know how we have been looked upon and treated and still are. Any thoughts on human rights? Do they apply to us 😊

"When the op responded you kept saying that he has been exposed"

Just giving my opinion entirely based on what he said. It didn't add up. Neither did it make any sense. When telling a story, one should get it right first.

"You came up with a bunch of generic excuses"

No, not at all. Just brought out flaws within his tale.

"I believe that you're emotionally attached to your religion."

I'd like to hear what you believe in and why. I'm all yours. You have my undivided attention 😊

"You're like those old backwards type of people"

😀 I'm all yours. Lets hear it. Do your Dawah. I'm listening!
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 13, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
https://islamqa.info/en/134757
Can you defend Shia version of Ali? Why didn't he protect his family when they were being attacked?

I've been through the thread. Rather than me commenting on and addressing every single point, why don't you put forward what ever bothers you and I will most certainly address it.

We are all born and raised with a mindset but it is down to us to either remain as such and accept what ever is according to that mindset and reject what ever goes against it without looking into it.

I can't speak for others but i have developed an open mind and I believe in justice, and that's for everyone. Mostly as you can see I get attacked and picked on because I am a Shia.

There is no discussion here and the boys don't want to discuss, they just want to toy and play. You're not blind and neither are the viewers. The sarcastic comments, childish behaviour, I'll manners, absurd attitude, insulting comments, false accusations, malicious lies etc are all there to be seen and viewed. They think the viewers are silly and dumb that they will buy anything they put forward and sell.

You or anyone else who is genuine and concerned then bismillah, in the name of Allah bring and put it forward but with a positive attitude and in a pleasant manner and I will be more than happy to answer and address. 😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 16, 2018, 07:43:20 PM
IS THAT IT ? 😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: wannabe on August 17, 2018, 03:57:09 AM
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .
wa'alaikumussalam.
indeed, this is quite a very strange thing to say. have you not read page 56-57/208, The Life Of Imam Ali bin Muhammad Al-Hadi, Study and Anaysis (https://www.al-islam.org/printpdf/book/export/html/38204)?
under the subheading "refuting of compulsion and free will", your imam gave evidence which no other sects in Islam have ie hadith and Quran verifies it, that what you are upon is the true path.
Quote
Know, may Allah have mercy on you, that we looked up in the abundant traditions and news and we   found, for all Muslims who understand from Allah, them (traditions) not free from two meanings; either truth that is to be followed or falsehood that is to be avoided. The nation has agreed  unanimously with no disagreement between them that the Qur'an is the truth that has no doubt in it for Muslims of all sects.
Their agreement is the proof of the Book and that they are right and guided due to the saying of the messenger of Allah (peace be upon him and on his progeny), “My nation does not agree on  deviation.”
He told that what the entire nation agreed on is truth when no group disagrees with another.
The Qur'an is the truth that there is no difference between them (Muslims) in its revelation and truthfulness. So when the Qur'an witnesses the truthfulness of some news but a group of the nation denies it, they should acknowledge it as a necessity, for basically the nation has agreed unanimously on the truthfulness of the Qur'an, and if they deny, this requires them to be out of the (Muslim) nation...’
Imam al-Hadi (a.s.) says in this passage that Muslims must refer to the Qur'an, which falsehood shall not approach from before it nor from behind it, in the matters they disagree on and see that which agrees with the Qur'an is the truth and that which contradicts it is falsehood. Whoever believes this falsehood will be out of Islam.
He added, ‘The first news that is proved, witnessed, and confirmed by the Book is the saying of the messenger of Allah (SwT), ‘I leave to you the two weighty things; the Book of Allah and my household. You shall not go astray as long as you keep to them. They shall not separate until they shall come to me at the pond (in Paradise).’ We found the evidences of this tradition in the Book of Allah where Allah said,
Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow. And whoever takes Allah and His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant. 93
All Muslim sects narrated traditions that Amir’ul- Mu’minin (a.s.) had given his ring as charity while he was bowing in prayer and Allah praised him for that and revealed this verse. We found the messenger of Allah (SwT) saying, ‘whoever I was his guardian, ‘Ali is to be his guardian’ and (addressing Imam ‘Ali),
‘you are to me as was Aaron to Moses but there will be no prophet after me’ and, ‘‘Ali repays my debts, carries out my promises, and he is my caliph over you after me’...
The tradition indicated clearly the caliphate of Imam ‘Ali (a.s.) after the Prophet (S) and that there was no one worthier of the Prophet (S) than Imam ‘Ali (a.s.), the pioneer of intellectual and civilizational development in the earth.’
Imam al-Hadi (a.s.) added, ‘The first tradition, from which these traditions were derived, is a true tradition that all Muslims have agreed on with no disagreement among them. It also conforms to the Book.
When the Book witnesses the truthfulness of these traditions besides other evidences, then the nation has to acknowledge them as a necessity, for their evidences are clear in the Qur'an and they conform to the Qur'an and the Qur'an conforms to them. Moreover, the truth of these traditions were transmitted from the messenger of Allah (SwT) through the truthful (infallible Imams) and narrated by known, reliable people.
Therefore, following these traditions is obligatory on every believing man and believing woman, and no one deviates except the obstinate. That is because the sayings of the messenger of Allah (SwT) and his progeny are connected with the sayings of Allah, as in this verse,
Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and the hereafter, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace. 94
We found the like of this verse in this saying of the messenger of Allah (SwT), ‘He, who harms ‘Ali, harms me, and who harms me harms Allah, and whoever harms Allah is about to be revenged on (by Allah)’ 95 and his saying, ‘He, who loves ‘Ali, loves me, and who loves me, loves Allah’ 96 , and, ‘...in bani Wulay’ah...I will send to them a man who is like myself. He loves Allah and His messenger and Allah and His messenger love him. O ‘Ali, get ready to march to them!’, and his saying on the day of Khaybar, ‘Tomorrow, I will send to them a man who loves Allah and His messenger, and Allah and His messenger love him. He is brave and not a runaway. He shall not come back until he shall conquer by the will of Allah.’ 97
The messenger of Allah (SwT) confirmed the conquer before the marching. The companions of the messenger of Allah looked forward to that, but on the next day, the messenger of Allah (SwT) sent for ‘Ali and sent him at the head of the army. He singled him out with this virtue and called him “brave and not a runaway”. Allah called him “a lover of Allah and His messenger” and informed that Allah and His messenger loved him.
sure hope you do not mind sharing a similar evidence, what you are upon now is the true path.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: muslim720 on August 17, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
IS THAT IT ? 😊

Yes, that's it!  You win!  Reminds me of that meme....arguing with you is like running at the Special Olympics.  Even if you win, you're still retarded.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Mythbuster1 on August 17, 2018, 06:06:01 PM
Yes, that's it!  You win!  Reminds me of that meme....arguing with you is like running at the Special Olympics.  Even if you win, you're still retarded.

He is a great runner 😂😂😂😂👍
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: muslim720 on August 17, 2018, 06:15:10 PM
He is a great runner 😂😂😂😂👍

He has a great tradition of, and an umatched role-model in, running.  Thanks to you know who ;)
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on August 18, 2018, 01:16:53 PM
IS THAT IT ? 😊
Keep your shirt on! I'll answer your questions later.😛
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 18, 2018, 10:58:20 PM
Keep your shirt on! I'll answer your questions later.😛

I always keep my shirt as well as my hair on 😊

"I'll answer your questions later"

Lets see if you you do, where others have ran. 😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 18, 2018, 11:01:15 PM
Yes, that's it!  You win!  Reminds me of that meme....arguing with you is like running at the Special Olympics.  Even if you win, you're still retarded.

Do you have to stick your beak in every place 😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 18, 2018, 11:03:27 PM
He is a great runner 😂😂😂😂👍

The faces are back again. I wonder if you're ever going to grow out of this childish behaviour 😑
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: muslim720 on August 21, 2018, 04:03:22 PM
Do you have to stick your beak in every place 😊

I don't have a beak; I have a foot though that I stick up.......you got the idea!
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Mythbuster1 on August 21, 2018, 06:27:39 PM
I always keep my shirt as well as my hair on 😊

"I'll answer your questions later"

Lets see if you you do, where others have ran. 😊
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The faces are back again. I wonder if you're ever going to grow out of this childish behaviour 😑

Yea it only comes off when you are ready to beat yourself😉

Your the runner mate, cant explain promotion so you are here instead😂😂👍👍

Running from post to post 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on August 22, 2018, 08:23:51 AM
I don't have a beak; I have a foot though that I stick up.......you got the idea!

Got the idea? One can expect anything from you no matter how disgusting or disgraceful. Because that's the type of individual you are. It's within your nature and reflects through your character. 😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: muslim720 on August 22, 2018, 06:55:56 PM
Got the idea? One can expect anything from you no matter how disgusting or disgraceful. Because that's the type of individual you are. It's within your nature and reflects through your character. 😊

I'm a mirror.  What you see in me is your own reflection.  If you were half qualified to be treated decently, you would have found me the easiest to get along with.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on September 01, 2018, 04:31:47 PM
I'm a mirror.  What you see in me is your own reflection.  If you were half qualified to be treated decently, you would have found me the easiest to get along with.

What, you coming out and humiliating and insulting my mother on social media, was that also down to you being a mirror? If you can't see the filth within you which comes out through your attitude and behaviour then what can I say.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on October 26, 2018, 11:52:47 AM
Are you for real. I just asked you about your belief and faith. Tell me about it and help me move forward. 😊

"One of the member did go to far but it's not like you didn't say anything either"

And which member was that? And what exactly did I say?

"Do you think I didn't see your snarky"

And which comments were those? Do you even bother to see and read the comments of others? Or are we bias?

"You have victim mentality"

Thank you very much. So you know our history. You know how we have been looked upon and treated and still are. Any thoughts on human rights? Do they apply to us 😊

"When the op responded you kept saying that he has been exposed"

Just giving my opinion entirely based on what he said. It didn't add up. Neither did it make any sense. When telling a story, one should get it right first.

"You came up with a bunch of generic excuses"

No, not at all. Just brought out flaws within his tale.

"I believe that you're emotionally attached to your religion."

I'd like to hear what you believe in and why. I'm all yours. You have my undivided attention 😊

"You're like those old backwards type of people"

😀 I'm all yours. Lets hear it. Do your Dawah. I'm listening!
-You weren’t specific all you said was what do I believe in.
- Human rights aren’t for extremists.
-Is giving you dawah going to change you? Will you stop acting out and start reading what other members wrote?
-@muslim720 insulted you because you were acting out as usual.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 26, 2018, 12:30:16 PM
-You weren’t specific all you said was what do I believe in.
- Human rights aren’t for extremists.
-Is giving you dawah going to change you? Will you stop acting out and start reading what other members wrote?
-@muslim720 insulted you because you were acting out as usual.

Ok, so if I insult your mother just because you or especially him were acting out as usual, what ever you mean by this, then that's perfectly ok then is it?

For example if you say that I'm reacting in a way we're I feel cornered and I respond by saying,

"Yeh I actually cornered your mum because I was doing Mu'tah with her" or something along those lines then that should be ok with you?

What you say, do and how you behave tells a lot about you, your family and upbringing.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on October 26, 2018, 12:51:34 PM
Ok, so if I insult your mother just because you or especially him were acting out as usual, what ever you mean by this, then that's perfectly ok then is it?

For example if you say that I'm reacting in a way we're I feel cornered and I respond by saying,

"Yeh I actually cornered your mum because I was doing Mu'tah with her" or something along those lines then that should be ok with you?

What you say, do and how you behave tells a lot about you, your family and upbringing.
Shame on you! He insulted your mother and you didn’t defend her. What type of son are you?
Kid I don’t want to be mean to you but you have to stand up for yourself and defend your parents.
I know you’re going to say something about Shias always getting bullied but that’s not true. Just go on any social media app and you’ll see how Shias are as well.
What Muslim720 said was wrong he’s probably a teen and teens don’t behave well.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 26, 2018, 01:54:45 PM
Shame on you! He insulted your mother and you didn’t defend her. What type of son are you?
Kid I don’t want to be mean to you but you have to stand up for yourself and defend your parents.
I know you’re going to say something about Shias always getting bullied but that’s not true. Just go on any social media app and you’ll see how Shias are as well.
What Muslim720 said was wrong he’s probably a teen and teens don’t behave well.

😊 Shame on me? More like shame on him and you for condoning it because he's probably this or that. It's moderators and admins that you should be speaking to like that and not me. Stand up for myself and defend my parents? Like how, by giving a reaction on means of retaliation and revenge. Responding by falling to his level. Or by adapting a policy such as those who say and do what ever they like and plrase in the name of defending the Sahaba. As far as I'm concerned it is a matter for the admins and mods. It's not my duty to act but those responsible for the site. I know he must be young because his attitude and behaviour and how he reacts tells a lot about him. He doesn't have a level head and is not a composed individual like me.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Layla on October 26, 2018, 02:11:57 PM
😊 Shame on me? More like shame on him and you for condoning it because he's probably this or that. It's moderators and admins that you should be speaking to like that and not me. Stand up for myself and defend my parents? Like how, by giving a reaction on means of retaliation and revenge. Responding by falling to his level. Or by adapting a policy such as those who say and do what ever they like and plrase in the name of defending the Sahaba. As far as I'm concerned it is a matter for the admins and mods. It's not my duty to act but those responsible for the site. I know he must be young because his attitude and behaviour and how he reacts tells a lot about him. He doesn't have a level head and is not a composed individual like me.
I didn’t condone his behavior. All I said was that he probably is a teen. You know how teens are.
You still should’ve defended your mom.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: muslim720 on October 26, 2018, 02:22:22 PM
-@muslim720 insulted you because you were acting out as usual.

That is true!  He was acting out but I should not have said what I said.  I apologized then and I am not ashamed to apologize once again.  Iceman, I'm sorry.

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What Muslim720 said was wrong he’s probably a teen and teens don’t behave well.

Far from being a teen.  However, I have the tendency to stoop low if the person I'm dealing adopts a dishonest approach, whether it be in discussions, transactions, etc!
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: muslim720 on October 26, 2018, 02:24:48 PM
😊 Shame on me? More like shame on him and you for condoning it because he's probably this or that.

Probably the only time I will agree with you, ever.  Once again, I am sorry for my outburst.  And I've asked Allah (swt) for forgiveness!
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 26, 2018, 02:27:55 PM
Don’t be sorry, one apology is enough for this guy all he wants now is sympathy like a typical crying rawafid.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: muslim720 on October 26, 2018, 02:32:53 PM
Don’t be sorry, one apology is enough for this guy all he wants now is sympathy like a typical crying rawafid.

To me, there is no such thing as overstating your commitment to self-improvement.  I acknowledged my mistake, I still do, and I will not hesitate to apologize and make my commitment (to never allow my anger get the best of me) known more than once :)
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 26, 2018, 02:37:44 PM
E Shiite deserves it, but no need to stoop to his level. His great imam couldn’t protect His wife I don’t see how this e shite could, it’s what they have been taught........RUN!😂
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 26, 2018, 03:04:51 PM
I didn’t condone his behavior. All I said was that he probably is a teen. You know how teens are.
You still should’ve defended your mom.

As far as I'm concerned it is a matter for the admins and mods to deal with it. I'm not responsible for this site or the behaviour of others. I definitely know how this one is. When he can't answer,  comment or respond he's all over the place. Because he's frightened of loosing the discussion or argument. I understand the reasons behind his behaviour. He's got a lot to learn and he lacks in experience. If one comes out with disgust doesn't mean the other follows and falls to his level.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 26, 2018, 03:09:36 PM
That is true!  He was acting out but I should not have said what I said.  I apologized then and I am not ashamed to apologize once again.  Iceman, I'm sorry.

Far from being a teen.  However, I have the tendency to stoop low if the person I'm dealing adopts a dishonest approach, whether it be in discussions, transactions, etc!

I was acting out, how? And how did I adapt a dishonest approach? Would you mind explaining. I know explaining and reasoning are not your strong points.But give it a go.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 26, 2018, 03:12:40 PM
E Shiite deserves it, but no need to stoop to his level. His great imam couldn’t protect His wife I don’t see how this e shite could, it’s what they have been taught........RUN!😂

From your post it sounds like either you're below teen or one extremely bitter individual having enmity towards a particular group of people, being Shia here. Carry on with your entertainment. You won't get your desired reaction out of me. Try as hard as you want😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 26, 2018, 03:16:09 PM
To me, there is no such thing as overstating your commitment to self-improvement.  I acknowledged my mistake, I still do, and I will not hesitate to apologize and make my commitment (to never allow my anger get the best of me) known more than once :)

Don't listen to him. You've said something, I've pointed it out in an appropriate and civil manner rather than retaliating. You've apologised and as far as I'm concerned that is the end of it. I don't want sympathy because I don't need it.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 26, 2018, 06:08:59 PM
From your post it sounds like either you're below teen or one extremely bitter individual having enmity towards a particular group of people, being Shia here. Carry on with your entertainment. You won't get your desired reaction out of me. Try as hard as you want😊

No enmity at all with a particular group, it’s just a particular person who posts endless dribble who is bitter and hurt by the events of saqifa, I don’t do it to other Shiites in here.......it’s only you.
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 26, 2018, 07:34:31 PM
No enmity at all with a particular group, it’s just a particular person who posts endless dribble who is bitter and hurt by the events of saqifa, I don’t do it to other Shiites in here.......it’s only you.

It's the Ummah that's hurt. Nothing to do with me. 😕
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 26, 2018, 08:04:22 PM
It's the Ummah that's hurt. Nothing to do with me. 😕

Ummah isn’t hurt it’s your pride and belief in divine Imamate that’s hurt, ummah was and is happy and Islam spread far and wide Alhamdulillah.

Where as after a millennia your still bickering about some divine Imamate theory which you think would have been better😂

Keep dreaming kid.😊
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 26, 2018, 09:03:10 PM
Ummah isn’t hurt it’s your pride and belief in divine Imamate that’s hurt, ummah was and is happy and Islam spread far and wide Alhamdulillah.

Where as after a millennia your still bickering about some divine Imamate theory which you think would have been better😂

Keep dreaming kid.😊

Ok, Abu Bakr was the first and there on,  so who's your present day Caliph? Oops, did I touch on something 😀

We have our 12 and the 12th is in hiding or what ever you want to make of it, but we believe in him. Who's your Caliph and where is he? 😆
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 26, 2018, 10:20:31 PM
Ok, Abu Bakr was the first and there on,  so who's your present day Caliph? Oops, did I touch on something 😀

We have our 12 and the 12th is in hiding or what ever you want to make of it, but we believe in him. Who's your Caliph and where is he? 😆

Nope we don’t need to believe in divine Khalifs that will guide us and teach us the deen, we have teachers whom we call imams for that and I will be happy to let you know my imam is living in my local masjid where we pray regular and when I need to ask him for HELP he will be THERE.......Alhamdulillah. Not like you who’s imam is hiding out of fear because the promotion he got was too hot to handle so he ran.😉

Following an invisible being wont get you anywhere kid.😉
Title: Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
Post by: iceman on October 27, 2018, 12:20:21 AM
Nope we don’t need to believe in divine Khalifs that will guide us and teach us the deen, we have teachers whom we call imams for that and I will be happy to let you know my imam is living in my local masjid where we pray regular and when I need to ask him for HELP he will be THERE.......Alhamdulillah. Not like you who’s imam is hiding out of fear because the promotion he got was too hot to handle so he ran.😉

Following an invisible being wont get you anywhere kid.😉

I'm not talking about divine Caliphs, I wonder where you got that from. Who's your Caliph? Or has Caliphate faded away in thin air? Oh, it's probably Abu Bakr Al Baghbadi. He declared himself Caliph just a while back. 😆