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Kian

salam - why I left Shia sect
« on: September 14, 2017, 08:07:44 PM »
As Salam Aleikum,

Its nice to be hear. I got this site recommended by Agha Hassan Shemrani. My name is Kian and Im a ex Shia, born and rise in Germany. I was Shia my whole Life and left schiism a couple of years ago. I set it up few sites on facebook including 2 websites questioning and discussion shia faith.
FACEBOOK: English:https://www.facebook.com/ShiaReformist/
German:https://www.facebook.com/Progressivershiablog/
Website German: https://shiareformistblog.wordpress.com/
and in partnership:https://shiareformist.wordpress.com/

What made me left schiism? Over a long time period, i became more and more suspicious about certain concepts like tatbir, swearing and slandering sahabiyyun and the khalifah. but what really helped me to leave 12er schiism was the lectures of sayyed fadlullah(ra), he had a big impact on me. when he has spoken about ghuluw, doubted the attack on fatimas house and that not all in nahjul balagha is authentic, i began my research and it didnt toke long to discover more and more questions before getting answers. during my time of research, i was hoping to get help from my shia brothers and published my results on facebook. i regret that quickly as they have made fast takfir on me and my critical views. i decided to search for other muslims who are on the research way like me and found a large group of shia reformists in london, other parts of UK and even in other countries. they supported me in my investigation and so i decided one day to leave the belief of the 12er shia sect. what really helped me was the meeting with scheikh ahmad al katib a ex 12er shia scholar from iraq. we became good friends and today i have regular meetings were scheikh katib is given me great lectures.


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Hani

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 02:20:56 AM »
Salam, I've seen your reformist site long ago. I also watch some vids on Al Katib's YT channel, he has done good research. Welcome.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

confusedshia

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 02:39:28 AM »
As Salam Aleikum,

Its nice to be hear. I got this site recommended by Agha Hassan Shemrani. My name is Kian and Im a ex Shia, born and rise in Germany. I was Shia my whole Life and left schiism a couple of years ago. I set it up few sites on facebook including 2 websites questioning and discussion shia faith.
FACEBOOK: English:https://www.facebook.com/ShiaReformist/
German:https://www.facebook.com/Progressivershiablog/
Website German: https://shiareformistblog.wordpress.com/
and in partnership:https://shiareformist.wordpress.com/

What made me left schiism? Over a long time period, i became more and more suspicious about certain concepts like tatbir, swearing and slandering sahabiyyun and the khalifah. but what really helped me to leave 12er schiism was the lectures of sayyed fadlullah(ra), he had a big impact on me. when he has spoken about ghuluw, doubted the attack on fatimas house and that not all in nahjul balagha is authentic, i began my research and it didnt toke long to discover more and more questions before getting answers. during my time of research, i was hoping to get help from my shia brothers and published my results on facebook. i regret that quickly as they have made fast takfir on me and my critical views. i decided to search for other muslims who are on the research way like me and found a large group of shia reformists in london, other parts of UK and even in other countries. they supported me in my investigation and so i decided one day to leave the belief of the 12er shia sect. what really helped me was the meeting with scheikh ahmad al katib a ex 12er shia scholar from iraq. we became good friends and today i have regular meetings were scheikh katib is given me great lectures.


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wa salam,

who is ahmad al katib and what are his beliefs? does he identify as shia just not a twelver?

also does he reside in the UK or Germany?

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Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 11:37:40 AM »
Walaikum salam wr wb dear brother,


Wellcome to the forum. Alhamdulellah, that you left the sect of hate and fitna. May Allah bless you.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

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Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 06:17:59 PM »
Salam

The whole Quran is about leadership - proofs of that you can see for yourself: http://forum.twelvershia.net/imamah-ghaybah/leadership-in-quran/

It doesn' swerve from the subject, aimed right at Ali and his family, the Quran continues discourse after discourse on this issue for all of humans to reflect about.

Evil is who take other then God as Master, Authority, and Ruler - to the extent they come towards hatred to God's chosen means of guidance and turn to that of the Jibt and Taghut.



Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.

Hani

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 07:56:36 PM »
As Salam Aleikum,

Its nice to be hear. I got this site recommended by Agha Hassan Shemrani. My name is Kian and Im a ex Shia, born and rise in Germany. I was Shia my whole Life and left schiism a couple of years ago. I set it up few sites on facebook including 2 websites questioning and discussion shia faith.
FACEBOOK: English:https://www.facebook.com/ShiaReformist/
German:https://www.facebook.com/Progressivershiablog/
Website German: https://shiareformistblog.wordpress.com/
and in partnership:https://shiareformist.wordpress.com/

What made me left schiism? Over a long time period, i became more and more suspicious about certain concepts like tatbir, swearing and slandering sahabiyyun and the khalifah. but what really helped me to leave 12er schiism was the lectures of sayyed fadlullah(ra), he had a big impact on me. when he has spoken about ghuluw, doubted the attack on fatimas house and that not all in nahjul balagha is authentic, i began my research and it didnt toke long to discover more and more questions before getting answers. during my time of research, i was hoping to get help from my shia brothers and published my results on facebook. i regret that quickly as they have made fast takfir on me and my critical views. i decided to search for other muslims who are on the research way like me and found a large group of shia reformists in london, other parts of UK and even in other countries. they supported me in my investigation and so i decided one day to leave the belief of the 12er shia sect. what really helped me was the meeting with scheikh ahmad al katib a ex 12er shia scholar from iraq. we became good friends and today i have regular meetings were scheikh katib is given me great lectures.


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wa salam,

who is ahmad al katib and what are his beliefs? does he identify as shia just not a twelver?

also does he reside in the UK or Germany?

Al Katib is his penname, he was an important Shia researcher and scholar. Interested in politics and spreading Tashayyu, he researched Imamah and the 12th Imam and discovered it was a myth. He never identifies as Sunni or Shia. He believes the people have a right to choose their own leaders through fair elections and consultation.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

confusedshia

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2017, 12:42:18 AM »
As Salam Aleikum,

Its nice to be hear. I got this site recommended by Agha Hassan Shemrani. My name is Kian and Im a ex Shia, born and rise in Germany. I was Shia my whole Life and left schiism a couple of years ago. I set it up few sites on facebook including 2 websites questioning and discussion shia faith.
FACEBOOK: English:https://www.facebook.com/ShiaReformist/
German:https://www.facebook.com/Progressivershiablog/
Website German: https://shiareformistblog.wordpress.com/
and in partnership:https://shiareformist.wordpress.com/

What made me left schiism? Over a long time period, i became more and more suspicious about certain concepts like tatbir, swearing and slandering sahabiyyun and the khalifah. but what really helped me to leave 12er schiism was the lectures of sayyed fadlullah(ra), he had a big impact on me. when he has spoken about ghuluw, doubted the attack on fatimas house and that not all in nahjul balagha is authentic, i began my research and it didnt toke long to discover more and more questions before getting answers. during my time of research, i was hoping to get help from my shia brothers and published my results on facebook. i regret that quickly as they have made fast takfir on me and my critical views. i decided to search for other muslims who are on the research way like me and found a large group of shia reformists in london, other parts of UK and even in other countries. they supported me in my investigation and so i decided one day to leave the belief of the 12er shia sect. what really helped me was the meeting with scheikh ahmad al katib a ex 12er shia scholar from iraq. we became good friends and today i have regular meetings were scheikh katib is given me great lectures.


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wa salam,

who is ahmad al katib and what are his beliefs? does he identify as shia just not a twelver?

also does he reside in the UK or Germany?

Al Katib is his penname, he was an important Shia researcher and scholar. Interested in politics and spreading Tashayyu, he researched Imamah and the 12th Imam and discovered it was a myth. He never identifies as Sunni or Shia. He believes the people have a right to choose their own leaders through fair elections and consultation.

Thanks. So what are his views on Abu Bakr and Umar?

Also, please excuse my ignorance but what is tashayyu?

Rationalist

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 04:56:09 AM »
Common! You don't know what tashayyu means? How long were you a 12er Shia?

confusedshia

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2017, 05:13:53 AM »
Common! You don't know what tashayyu means? How long were you a 12er Shia?

I don't come from a religious family and know very little about Shia Islam and Islam in general. I signed up here to help with my recent decision to carry out some sort of comparative analysis on the basic claims made by Shias and Sunnis. So no, I don't know what the word tashayyu means.

Rationalist

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2017, 05:59:36 AM »
Its the Arabic way of saying Shia. Shia comes from word Tashayyu.

confusedshia

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2017, 04:03:29 PM »
Its the Arabic way of saying Shia. Shia comes from word Tashayyu.

Would you say Tashayyu is used to describe the ideology whilst Shia is used for its followers?

Rationalist

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 06:29:33 PM »
Its the Arabic way of saying Shia. Shia comes from word Tashayyu.

Would you say Tashayyu is used to describe the ideology whilst Shia is used for its followers?

In the India and Pakistan area 12er are called Ahle Tashee. Also, some 12er call Sunni as Tasunnah. To be honest these terms did exist came in later to describe followers.

Many times 12ers Shia quote their imams proudly calling themselves as Rafidah. In their version the people who rejected Pharaoh were suppsoedly called Rafidah. When I open the Quran, it says the people associated themselves with the Pharaoh were the Shia.

"Truly Pharaoh elated himself in the land and broke up its people into sections (Shiites), depressing a small group among them: their sons he slew, but he kept alive their females: for he was indeed a maker of mischief." (28:4)


So calling oneself Ahle Sunnah and Tashayyu are all titled and do not mean anything in the day of judgement.
If you associate yourself with Ali and his family, but do not follow the basic pillars of Islam, then on the day of judgement you have no value.

Kian

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2017, 08:55:39 PM »
Salam, I've seen your reformist site long ago. I also watch some vids on Al Katib's YT channel, he has done good research. Welcome.

wa aleikum salam

thats great to hear. indeed ahmad al kateb is a personal friend of me and a great researcher on the field of Shiism as well. he refuted aactaully everything in shiissm and he lives in london.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2017, 09:00:11 PM by Kian »

Kian

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2017, 08:57:24 PM »
As Salam Aleikum,

Its nice to be hear. I got this site recommended by Agha Hassan Shemrani. My name is Kian and Im a ex Shia, born and rise in Germany. I was Shia my whole Life and left schiism a couple of years ago. I set it up few sites on facebook including 2 websites questioning and discussion shia faith.
FACEBOOK: English:https://www.facebook.com/ShiaReformist/
German:https://www.facebook.com/Progressivershiablog/
Website German: https://shiareformistblog.wordpress.com/
and in partnership:https://shiareformist.wordpress.com/

What made me left schiism? Over a long time period, i became more and more suspicious about certain concepts like tatbir, swearing and slandering sahabiyyun and the khalifah. but what really helped me to leave 12er schiism was the lectures of sayyed fadlullah(ra), he had a big impact on me. when he has spoken about ghuluw, doubted the attack on fatimas house and that not all in nahjul balagha is authentic, i began my research and it didnt toke long to discover more and more questions before getting answers. during my time of research, i was hoping to get help from my shia brothers and published my results on facebook. i regret that quickly as they have made fast takfir on me and my critical views. i decided to search for other muslims who are on the research way like me and found a large group of shia reformists in london, other parts of UK and even in other countries. they supported me in my investigation and so i decided one day to leave the belief of the 12er shia sect. what really helped me was the meeting with scheikh ahmad al katib a ex 12er shia scholar from iraq. we became good friends and today i have regular meetings were scheikh katib is given me great lectures.


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wa salam,

who is ahmad al katib and what are his beliefs? does he identify as shia just not a twelver?

also does he reside in the UK or Germany?

Ahmad al Kateb is a ex 12er shia from karbala. he studied for decades in the sia hawzah of najaf and ghom and left the 12er sect completely. he is also a writer of more than 400 books and many books about the wrong belief of shias.

Kian

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2017, 08:58:40 PM »
Walaikum salam wr wb dear brother,


Wellcome to the forum. Alhamdulellah, that you left the sect of hate and fitna. May Allah bless you.

wa aleikum salam brother

thank u! im glad i left shiism after 30 years. cant stand longer for hate and cursing.

Link

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2017, 07:29:35 PM »
The cursing to the transgressing people who hate God's light and those who channel it, hurts in the beginning and is a cause of turmoil, but you temper hate with discipline and it becomes a healing and a source of strength for emanates from the love of God's beautiful names, mainly the Navigators to the just city and Captains of the Ships of salvation.
Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.

iceman

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2017, 11:51:23 PM »
Walaikum salam wr wb dear brother,


Wellcome to the forum. Alhamdulellah, that you left the sect of hate and fitna. May Allah bless you.

wa aleikum salam brother

thank u! im glad i left shiism after 30 years. cant stand longer for hate and cursing.

After 30 years, Wow! That is a very long time. Rather than suddenly leaving after such a long time why not just stop hating and cursing if that suddenly started to bother you? Allah becomes angry and he also hates and curses. And so does the Messenger (s). There are plenty of Verses and Hadiths to prove this.

iceman

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2017, 11:59:19 PM »
As Salam Aleikum,

Its nice to be hear. I got this site recommended by Agha Hassan Shemrani. My name is Kian and Im a ex Shia, born and rise in Germany. I was Shia my whole Life and left schiism a couple of years ago. I set it up few sites on facebook including 2 websites questioning and discussion shia faith.
FACEBOOK: English:https://www.facebook.com/ShiaReformist/
German:https://www.facebook.com/Progressivershiablog/
Website German: https://shiareformistblog.wordpress.com/
and in partnership:https://shiareformist.wordpress.com/

What made me left schiism? Over a long time period, i became more and more suspicious about certain concepts like tatbir, swearing and slandering sahabiyyun and the khalifah. but what really helped me to leave 12er schiism was the lectures of sayyed fadlullah(ra), he had a big impact on me. when he has spoken about ghuluw, doubted the attack on fatimas house and that not all in nahjul balagha is authentic, i began my research and it didnt toke long to discover more and more questions before getting answers. during my time of research, i was hoping to get help from my shia brothers and published my results on facebook. i regret that quickly as they have made fast takfir on me and my critical views. i decided to search for other muslims who are on the research way like me and found a large group of shia reformists in london, other parts of UK and even in other countries. they supported me in my investigation and so i decided one day to leave the belief of the 12er shia sect. what really helped me was the meeting with scheikh ahmad al katib a ex 12er shia scholar from iraq. we became good friends and today i have regular meetings were scheikh katib is given me great lectures.


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wa salam,

who is ahmad al katib and what are his beliefs? does he identify as shia just not a twelver?

also does he reside in the UK or Germany?

Al Katib is his penname, he was an important Shia researcher and scholar. Interested in politics and spreading Tashayyu, he researched Imamah and the 12th Imam and discovered it was a myth. He never identifies as Sunni or Shia. He believes the people have a right to choose their own leaders through fair elections and consultation.

If he believes that the people have a right to choose their own leaders through fair elections and consultation then where did he get this belief from? Saqifa or the Qoran?

Hani

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2017, 01:32:33 AM »
Walaikum salam wr wb dear brother,


Wellcome to the forum. Alhamdulellah, that you left the sect of hate and fitna. May Allah bless you.

wa aleikum salam brother

thank u! im glad i left shiism after 30 years. cant stand longer for hate and cursing.

After 30 years, Wow! That is a very long time. Rather than suddenly leaving after such a long time why not just stop hating and cursing if that suddenly started to bother you? Allah becomes angry and he also hates and curses. And so does the Messenger (s). There are plenty of Verses and Hadiths to prove this.

God and his Messenger may hate and curse the unjust and corrupt but they are merciful and kind towards the just, Tashayyu` curses and hates the just and pious. That's what no one can stand.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

iceman

Re: salam - why I left Shia sect
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2017, 11:37:28 AM »
Walaikum salam wr wb dear brother,


Wellcome to the forum. Alhamdulellah, that you left the sect of hate and fitna. May Allah bless you.

wa aleikum salam brother

thank u! im glad i left shiism after 30 years. cant stand longer for hate and cursing.

After 30 years, Wow! That is a very long time. Rather than suddenly leaving after such a long time why not just stop hating and cursing if that suddenly started to bother you? Allah becomes angry and he also hates and curses. And so does the Messenger (s). There are plenty of Verses and Hadiths to prove this.

God and his Messenger may hate and curse the unjust and corrupt but they are merciful and kind towards the just, Tashayyu` curses and hates the just and pious. That's what no one can stand.

Nobody hates and curses the just and pious because this is not sensible or logical. And one can be just and pious according to you but not to me or the other way around. Just as one's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Give me a stronger argument!

 

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