"Lol you said it......Ibrahim as was made a PROPHET then he was made imam (not a divine imam some sort of divine concept that’s supposedly higher than nabuwwah)"
One step at a time. Was Abraham promoted, was he demoted or do you think he was given a title of a similar level?
Is Nabuwah above and higher than Imamah, if it is then Abraham was demoted. If Imamah is above and higher than Nabuwah then it is obvious that Abraham was promoted. You tell me? Come on and give it a try. Don't be hesitant and shy.
"Where is the process or concept for Ali ra and the rest of the 12 imams ra to bypass prophethood and jump on to Imamate? From the Quran"
Where does it say that you have to be a Prophet before you can be an Imam or Caliph. Why do you want evidence only and just from the Qur'an? Are you a QUR'ANIST? If I ask you to provide something from the Qur'an you start jumping up and down. If I ask you to explain yourselves you start dancing around. Make up your mind, do you just and only want to stick to the Qur'an, then you better start delivering.
"prophethood Allah swt chooses, leaders/imams you can choose yourself by shura as is mentioned CLEAR in the Quran unlike how hard it is for you to pull a CLEAR verse on divine Imamate.....yet
Allah choose the Ahlul Bayth as guides to govern after Muhammad s.a.w. And Muhammad s.a.w clearly stated the following,
It was narrated that Jaabir ibn Samurah said: I entered upon the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) with my father, and I heard him say: “This matter will not end until there have been among them twelve caliphs.” Then he said something that I could not hear, and I said to my father: What did he say? He said: “All of them will be from Quraysh.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (no. 7222); Muslim (no. 1821).
According to other versions also narrated by Muslim:
“Islam will continue to prevail through twelve caliphs.”
“This religion will continue to prevail and be strong until there have been twelve caliphs.”
According to the version narrated by al-Bukhaari, it says: “There will be twelve rulers.” Then he said something I did not hear, and my father said that he said: “All of them will be from Quraysh.”
"Even a fool will understand Ali ra wasn’t a prophet but yet according to you lot he bypassed nabuwwah and became the imam?? HUH?!?!?
He wasn't a Prophet because you don't have to be Prophet to be an Imam or Caliph.
Take a note of this;
وَجَعَلْنَا مِنْهُمْ أَئِمَّةً يَهْدُونَ بِأَمْرِنَا لَمَّا صَبَرُوا وَكَانُوا بِآيَاتِنَا يُوقِنُونَ.
And we made of them Imams to guide by our command when they were patient and they were certain of our communications. (Surah Sajdah 32:24)
Were the above Prophets and Messengers before they were made Imams? You tell me? Please do inform and educate me.
Lets not leave Adam out of it. He was made a Caliph on earth. Caliph upon whom? If there was no one on earth then who was he made a Caliph on?
So you are a FOOL for believing Imamate is higher than prophethood astaghfirullah and then you tell us you are intelligent? Wise? Hahahaha you crack me up😂
Promotion? Demotion? What? He Ibrahim as was STILL a prophet until the day He passed away so tell me mr smarty pants how was there a promotion? He was also an imam a leader just like prophet saw was, a prophet and an imam/leader for the Muslims.........what’s so hard to understand that?
when did prophet saw get this promotion? And how come imams bypassed nabuwwah to get straight promoted to a higher level than prophets?? The verse states after being tried by His lord He Ibrahim as was made an imam.......what trial did imams go through to become imams??
Demotion promotion are your own ideas and false desires you want to force us to believe otherwise imarmite is dead in the water, you can only use this verse and TWIST it to your own thinking just because of the word Imamate in there lol that’s just stupid and foolish when it’s not even a CLEAR verse.
At least the base of divine Imamate should be CLEAR but as before you have to add your own commentary to it otherwise you have NOTHING, look at you stuck in your explanation which doesn’t even make sense
Icepop come on man you can do better......Ibrahim as gets promoted, prophet saw doesn’t get a mention of promotion and YET imams bypass nabuwwah to get a straight A promotion.........?!?!???!??
I see you couldn’t answer that in your previous post😂
Now straight from that VAGUE verse you will use details of Sunni hadiths to back yourself up😂😂
12 khalif hadiths lol
It has nothing to do with divine leadership reason being no imam was in power and Islam was spread by khalifs and not your so called divine imams even Ali ra who did rule never spread Islam He ra had internal struggles so it wasn’t triumphant then cos of the fitna so please you can’t use your nonsensical ideas here mate😜
Smarty pants if you don’t have to be a prophet to become an imam or khalif then why the PROMOTION for Ibrahim as?? Why wasn’t prophet saw an imam? Why did Allah swt leave prophet saw’s Imamate out but only gave you Ibrahim as’s Imamate?
Prophet saw is mentioned CLEAR as a Nabi but not no imam in the Quran
Promotion demotion 😂😂😂😂
I see your intelligence is getting you tangled 😂😂