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Expedition of Dhat al-Riqa

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scusemyenglish

Expedition of Dhat al-Riqa
« on: August 11, 2016, 04:43:37 PM »
Salam.

Do you know when this expediction happened?

because acording to wikipedia : The expedition of Dhat al-Riqa took place in October 625 AD, 5AH of the Islamic Calendar,[4] but some other Muslim scholars believe it took place after the Battle of Khaybar in 627 AD, i.e. 7 AH of the Islamic Calendar.

I say that because acording to Abu Mousa el Ashari and Abu Hourayra that was in 7 years.

In fact why there is divergence?

Barak'Allah ou fikoum
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Expedition of Dhat al-Riqa
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2016, 02:40:06 AM »
nobody know?
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Farid

Re: Expedition of Dhat al-Riqa
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2016, 09:56:20 PM »
Wa alaykum alsalam akhi.

Wikipedia is not a source. The real question is who said 5th year and who said 7th?

Check what Ibn Ishaaq, Khalifa, and Al Tabari said. If there is an agreement by them, then it should be the more correct opinion.

Muhammad Tazin

Re: Expedition of Dhat al-Riqa
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2016, 07:44:38 PM »
nobody know?

Ibn Kathir(R) says-  It happened in 4th hijri {Al bidaya - chapter on events of 4th hijri}
Bukhari(r) says it happened after 7th Hijri , as - Abu MUsa(ra) joined this expedition , who came back from Abisiniya at the time of khaybar ; also Abu HUrayra(ra) was also in the war who became Muslim in 6th Hijri, and took part in this war

scusemyenglish

Re: Expedition of Dhat al-Riqa
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2016, 08:55:26 PM »
nobody know?

Ibn Kathir(R) says-  It happened in 4th hijri {Al bidaya - chapter on events of 4th hijri}
Bukhari(r) says it happened after 7th Hijri , as - Abu MUsa(ra) joined this expedition , who came back from Abisiniya at the time of khaybar ; also Abu HUrayra(ra) was also in the war who became Muslim in 6th Hijri, and took part in this war

But we know the methodology of Ibn Kathir?  Why He has not taken the view of sahaba who were witness?
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”