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Off Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rationalist on January 25, 2015, 12:56:54 AM
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This is interesting. Now they have to rule over a 60-70% majority. I wonder how they will lead Yemen? I believe if they give up their militant behavior they might take Yemen into a new direction.
What are your thoughts ?
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Letting shiites rule always ended in bloodshed, as we can see in history and what's now happening in middle-east.
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I hope they distance themselves from Iran (because otherwise the taghut Khamanei will take credit for anything good that happens) and turn Yemen into a prosperous and peaceful nation.
Houthis are Zaydi Shia and they are regarded as peaceful and all that good stuff. They're also kinda hybrids between Sunni and Shia.
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I am not surprised. This is what happens when you have a corrupt government. A militant group, funded and armed by fitna maker Iranian regime, who doesn't even represent the minority Zaydis are close to become the rulers of Yemen.
The problem is that some of the houthi rebels (If I heard correctly) have adopted the extremist and takfiri beliefs of the poisonous Imamiyah Ithna Ashariya sect. This will make things even worse.
May Allah protect the muslims from the people of Fitna.
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For some cash and support any Zaydi "Imam" will turn into a corrupt Rafidi Imami. I've heard what they say in clips online, they're pure Rafidah now.
I feel sad for Yemen, another amazing Islamic country screwed by Imami Tashayyu`.
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Wait, so the Houthis aren't regular Zaydis now? What happened? Can you show some evidence?
I thought they were very tolerant Zaydis.
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Houthis are Zaydi Shia and they are regarded as peaceful and all that good stuff. They're also kinda hybrids between Sunni and Shia.
They'll turn Yemen into a hell-hole and kill anyone who opposes them. Houthis are pure Rafidah not "hybrids".
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I feel sad for Yemen, another amazing Islamic country screwed by Imami Tashayyu`.
Oh please. Iran is light years ahead of most Sunni countries (outside of the gulf oil Sheikhdoms). I have no love for the Saname Fars, but compared to the Sunni countries, oh boy.
They'll turn Yemen into a hell-hole and kill anyone who opposes them. Houthis are pure Rafidah not "hybrids".
So why do every Sunni I talk to say that Zaydis are Muslims and closer to Ahlus Sunnah than the Rawafid? Even the Takfiri extremists that say all Rawafid are mushriks have a soft-spot for Zaydis. What changed? Just angry that they're in power now, or did something legitimately change?
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Oh please. Iran is light years ahead of most Sunni countries (outside of the gulf oil Sheikhdoms). I have no love for the Saname Fars, but compared to the Sunni countries, oh boy.
He didn't talk about the progress of Iran. :)
But don't forget there is massive corruption in Iran.
So why do every Sunni I talk to say that Zaydis are Muslims and closer to Ahlus Sunnah than the Rawafid? Even the Takfiri extremists that say all Rawafid are mushriks have a soft-spot for Zaydis. What changed? Just angry that they're in power now, or did something legitimately change?
The Houthis are extreme and their leader have reportedly converted to Twelver Shiism.
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Houthis are not traditional Zaydis, they're sectarian Rafidah mob working for Iran. Their armed militants are cave-men, once they assume control of an area they kill anyone who disagrees with them and they're already began doing that a couple of weeks ago.
http://reliefweb.int/report/yemen/ngo-claims-652-people-killed-between-sept-16-23 (http://reliefweb.int/report/yemen/ngo-claims-652-people-killed-between-sept-16-23)
Only an enemy of humanity would want these cave-men to control Yemen.
Oh please. Iran is light years ahead of most Sunni countries (outside of the gulf oil Sheikhdoms). I have no love for the Saname Fars, but compared to the Sunni countries, oh boy.
No it's not, Iran sucks, Iranians are escaping Iran, even religious ones as there's no jobs, no economy (because of sanctions) and no nothing.
If you want to see success, it's in many Sunni countries like Turkey, Malaysia, Tunisia..
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He didn't talk about the progress of Iran. :)
He was talking about the progress of "Shia countries".
What Shia countries are there apart from Iran? There's Lebanon (which is hell because of the Sunni terrorists and Israel) and Iraqi (which is also hell thanks to the Sunni ISIS).
The Houthis are extreme and their leader have reportedly converted to Twelver Shiism.
I didn't know this. Can you provide a source inshaAllah?
Houthis are not traditional Zaydis, they're sectarian Rafidah mob working for Iran. Their armed militants are cave-men, once they assume control of an area they kill anyone who disagrees with them and they're already began doing that a couple of weeks ago.
You know, it was a Zaydi that invented the word Rafidi. You're using a Zaydi-created word to insult them, go figure. ::) No creativity?
As for them killing anyone who disagrees with them, well, sounds an awful like most of the Sunni militias out there. There's no excuse and if what you say is true, may Allah (s.w.t) destroy them with all of the Sunni militias that are also committing such crimes.
No it's not, Iran sucks, Iranians are escaping Iran, even religious ones as there's no jobs, no economy (because of sanctions) and no nothing.
LOL. At least people are alive to leave Iran. Wanna talk about countries that suck? Afghanistan (sunni), Bangladesh (sunni), Nigeria (sunni), Sudan (sunni), Somalia (sunni), Yemen (sunni up until now), The "Islamic State" (sunni), Niger (sunni), Somiland (sunni), Mauritania (sunni), Djibouti (sunni).
Want me to keep going?
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I feel that I'm wasting too much time on uninformed posts. When you people have important topics to discuss, such as why Imamism is a fake religion, then we'll discuss that.
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Taha, you have to know that sunni countries are dealing with the west for 100 years since abolishment of ottoman empire, UNLIKE Iran. And sunni countries have dictators as rulers, since this is what benefits the west. So there isn't really something to blame on the sunni population. As for the terrorist groups in sunni countries, the sunni's are the ones being murdered.
Look at Egypt, Mursi (may allah free him) became the president and then he was put down and NO, it wasn't because the people wanted it. And geuss what? The shiites I know are HAPPY with this, they say "he was extremist, bla bla".
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Bro every country he listed above is actually crushed because of Shia, the only reason Lebanon is suffering is because the Shiite regime of Bachar let things out of hand and wouldn't step down and allowed terrorists to breed in Raqqah then exported them to Lebanon, also Lebanon is screwed because Hezbul-Kufr is meddling in Syria and joined the war although they had no business doing so which attracted their extremist enemies to Lebanon. As for `Iraq it was in a thousand blessings under the Sunni regime even if that regime was corrupt but at least they weren't sectarian, look at it now after the sectarian Shiite regime took over, they destroyed it completely and alienated a large portion of `Iraqis for sectarian reasons and tried changing the demographic of Baghdad, which later allowed Takfeeris to thrive in that sectarian environment. As for Yemen, it's being crushed by Shiite rebels as you can see and all they care about is created a monarchy ruled by their infallible Zaydi Imam al-Houthi who is nothing more than an Iranian spy. Then Bahrain, which was a thriving Arab country that created jobs for thousands of Arab Sunnies and Shia, Iran went and told its cronies to tell Shia youth to rebel against the regime just to score points against Saudi. Then he mentions some countries like Afghanistan, which Iran admits that they helped the US invasion of that country, or Nigeria which has Sunni/Shia secterian war of course since you can't have Shia anywhere without trouble. Finally a couple of other poor third world countries that are full of ignorance which is not a fault of "Sunnies" rather a fault of corrupt governments and their political/geographic condition, they have no education or resources so what exactly does he want them to do?
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This is interesting. Now they have to rule over a 60-70% majority. I wonder how they will lead Yemen? I believe if they give up their militant behavior they might take Yemen into a new direction.
What are your thoughts ?
inshaAllah they will have a hard time trying to have influence in hadramawt, the sunni syafi'i fortress in south yemen. Even zaydi central government has never been popular there, so if extremist takfiri 12er lapdog of iran will try to get in there, it will be an interesting test considering there are lots of wealthy hadorim in diaspora who won't be happy seeing iran/12er lapdog messing around with their homeland. Besides I don't think saudi government will make it easy for another iran's puppy next door after iraq.
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The point that Furkan mentioned is very important - when he said:
Taha, you have to know that sunni countries are dealing with the west for 100 years since abolishment of ottoman empire, UNLIKE Iran.
The Ottoman Empire, which controlled alot of the Sunni Arab states, was at war for 100s of years against the Europeans.
Meanwhile - what was the Iranian state doing?
They were busy slaughtering the Sunnis and making them 12vers -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam
Also - they were busy attacking the Ottoman Empire (usually when Ottoman forces were in Europe):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Persian_Wars
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The point that Furkan mentioned is very important - when he said:
Taha, you have to know that sunni countries are dealing with the west for 100 years since abolishment of ottoman empire, UNLIKE Iran.
The Ottoman Empire, which controlled alot of the Sunni Arab states, was at war for 100s of years against the Europeans.
Meanwhile - what was the Iranian state doing?
They were busy slaughtering the Sunnis and making them 12vers -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam
Also - they were busy attacking the Ottoman Empire (usually when Ottoman forces were in Europe):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Persian_Wars
i want to add another info which im sure many people dont know about. The khalifa even sent his army halfway around the world to south east asia to help muslim fought the christian dutch who tried to take over their lands.
They are defending muslim in europe, middle east and everywhere they can.
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They were also busy building graves for their saints, many of which are fake, they even conquered graves like the one in Najaf (which is fake).
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Yes since it is allowed: https://sunniworld.wordpress.com/category/ahle-sunnah-wal-jamaat/v
I will open a topic about this later in sha Allah, so let's not change the subject to "graves".
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I hope they distance themselves from Iran (because otherwise the taghut Khamanei will take credit for anything good that happens) and turn Yemen into a prosperous and peaceful nation.
Khamanei does deserve credit, and that credit is for shooting himself on the foot. The 12er in reality don't want any other sect to represent Shiaism, and now they have a rival.
Houthis are Zaydi Shia and they are regarded as peaceful and all that good stuff. They're also kinda hybrids between Sunni and Shia.
Hybrids between Sunni and Rafidah. There is a difference.
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What Shia countries are there apart from Iran? There's Lebanon (which is hell because of the Sunni terrorists and Israel) and Iraqi (which is also hell thanks to the Sunni ISIS).
As if Iraq was stable before ISIS. The Iraqi 12ers love to blame everything on Sunnis. Its gives them more milage for their emotional madhab. To be honest, Iraq was in better shape under the rule of the tyrant Saddam. Ask any 12er who lives in Iraq if Maliki made any progress. Most of them admit that the 12er Shia government looted the Iraqi people, and used the Sunni/Shia divide to distract the public from the real economic issues. As for ISIS they only entered with 800 troops and they forced 30,000 `12er Shia military troops to flee. Why because the commanders forced them too, so Iran gets to come in and have greater influence in Iraq. Guess what ? Now a game of chess is being played where neither side wins. In the end, Iraq is going to be most likely split into three.
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Houthis are Zaydi Shia and they are regarded as peaceful and all that good stuff. They're also kinda hybrids between Sunni and Shia.
They'll turn Yemen into a hell-hole and kill anyone who opposes them. Houthis are pure Rafidah not "hybrids".
If they sideline the Sunnis they will divide Yemen into two. Let's hope they are not that stupid.
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This is what Yemen could look like.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Divided_Yemen.svg/1024px-Divided_Yemen.svg.png)
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Wait, so the Houthis aren't regular Zaydis now? What happened? Can you show some evidence?
I thought they were very tolerant Zaydis.
The earlier Zaidi believed that Imam Ali's (as) was appointment was implicit. Now they believe its explicit like the 12ers.
The earlier Zaidi used to defend the Sahaba, but now this Houthi group applies the concept of Wuquf toward the Sahaba.
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So what are these Sunni Arab states doing now??? They pay the American and British fleet to look after them, they do business with the west, basically they just keep themselves on the right side of the west and don't do anything to upset and disappoint them.
What is the approach of these Sunni Arab states regarding Israel??? If the west decides to use some excuse to move in and take over the natural resources of an Arab country then, what do the rest of the Arab states do??? Iran this and Iran that, come on gentlemen, balance the argument!
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So what are these Sunni Arab states doing now??? They pay the American and British fleet to look after them, they do business with the west, basically they just keep themselves on the right side of the west and don't do anything to upset and disappoint them.
What is the approach of these Sunni Arab states regarding Israel??? If the west decides to use some excuse to move in and take over the natural resources of an Arab country then, what do the rest of the Arab states do??? Iran this and Iran that, come on gentlemen, balance the argument!
What are the Shiite states doing? What is Azerbaijan doing? `Iraq? What has Iran ever actually done except "talk"?
We believe all governments are corrupt and don't really represent the will of their people regardless of sect.
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Well brother Hani, talking means speaking out and that is the first step that Iran has always done. The list is endless about Iranian achievements concerning unity amongst Muslims and speaking out and in defence of Islam, the Prophet (pbuh) and Muslim suffering.
When the Bosnian Muslims were suffering Iranians went to their aid, it was Iran who issued a Fatwa against Rushdie in protection and defence of Azwaj e Rasool and broke diplomatic ties with the west. And like I said that the list is endless.
But it's obvious that your grievance with Shiaism doesn't make you think straight and fair about Iran. And what are the Arab states doing??? Have they ever bothered to join Iran in matters of collective interest concerning Islam and the Muslims??? Have these states even bothered to talk and speak out???
And you have the nerve to say that "what does Iran do apart from talking". What the hell can one country do when the others are hand in hand with the west. Come on man, just a little bit of justice and fairness won't hurt, will it???
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^ To be fair, Egypt did have a decent ruler until ... Well, all the Sunni Egyptians protested and overwhelmingly voted to replace him with Sisi.
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Well brother Hani, talking means speaking out and that is the first step that Iran has always done. The list is endless about Iranian achievements concerning unity amongst Muslims and speaking out and in defence of Islam, the Prophet (pbuh) and Muslim suffering.
When the Bosnian Muslims were suffering Iranians went to their aid, it was Iran who issued a Fatwa against Rushdie in protection and defence of Azwaj e Rasool and broke diplomatic ties with the west. And like I said that the list is endless.
But it's obvious that your grievance with Shiaism doesn't make you think straight and fair about Iran. And what are the Arab states doing??? Have they ever bothered to join Iran in matters of collective interest concerning Islam and the Muslims??? Have these states even bothered to talk and speak out???
And you have the nerve to say that "what does Iran do apart from talking". What the hell can one country do when the others are hand in hand with the west. Come on man, just a little bit of justice and fairness won't hurt, will it???
I think VERY straight and Iran is a fraud state run by Mullas. You keep listening to your fraud news and see where that takes you.
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Just to not waste a lot of time and show a sample of their hypocrisy and that they're frauds, the Iranians always accused the king of Saudi of funding terrorism and of being a devil and of being a cursed ally to the enemies of Islam etc...
Then when he dies, Hashimi Rafsanjani says:
أعزي السعودية حكومة وشعبا بوفاة الملك عبدالله وابتهل إلى الله عز وجل أن يتغمد الفقيد بواسع رحمته ويلهم ذويه والأسرة الكريمة الصبر والسلوان
"I send my condolences to both the government and people of Saudi for the passing of king `Abdullah, I sincerely pray to Almighty Allah to encompass the dearly missed (leader) with his vast mercy, and to grant patience to his honorable family members."
Link: http://arabic.cnn.com/middleeast/2015/01/24/iran-king-abdullah-death-reaction
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Zaydis are divided into sub-sects. The Houthis are from the Jarudiyyah sect (who ironically is a narrator in Rafidi Imamite Shiism). Jarudiyyah Zaydis are the most extreme Zaydis, yes like all Zaydis they do not believe in the fairy tale of 12th particular Imams (that is why the likes of Yasser Al-Habib declared them as kuffar!) they dislike many Sahaba - in particular Abu Bakr and Omar - a lot and they are only to be found in north Yemen. Now these lunatics - who are literally cave man, here a clip where they take a shit LIVE on air (on their OWN satellite channel called Al-Maseer:
... are in their generality still Zaydis, however the Safavid-Zionist devil aka Iran, spirituality the most messed up country in the middle east (Iranian Shias are notorious for Arab hatred, secular thoughts, and the abondening of Islam altogether!)
... has turned the heads of the Zaydis into Twelvers. Iran Al Majoosiyyah took advantage of their already existing extremism and started infiltrating them and luring them into their sect just like Evangelical missionaries do to the poor around the world. Eventually the leader of the Houthis, Badr Al Deen (1926-2010) paved the way for a even more extremist form of Shiism amoungst the Houthis. He had close ties with the 12er Rafidah in Iran, his son Hussein (1956-2004) even lived and studied in Qom, Iran, the modern capital of Twelver Shiism. After the demise of Hussein, Abdul-Malik [Al Houthi] became the new leader of the Houthi clan and today it is known to everybody that the Houthis are nothing but a proxy of the Majoos of Iran who despise the Arabs to death, yet use the likes of Hezbollat (Lebanese Arabs) and the Houthi (who also operate under the name "Ansarullah") Arabs as their minions for their own agenda.
The Houthis are northern Yemenis, it is well known that the vast majority of Houthis are still Zaydis, that is why many Sunni laymen and even Shias (who don't know much about Yemen, Zaydis and Twelver Shia Rawafidh) are sometimes confused as to how serious their allegiance to Iran is. What many don't understand is that Yemen is a tribial state, the HEADS of the Houthis are all Rawafidh 12er Shias, the likes of Hussein Badr Al Deen has even studied in Qom, and this is the evil tactic of Iran and the 12er Rafida i.e. to steadily convert the ignorant Houthi masses into full blown Rawafidh Majoos 12er Shias (and obviously in a tribal society such as Yemen, it is just a matter of time till many if not most Houthis change from Zaydi Shia to Imamite Rafidi Shia). The Houthis even got their own TV channel (Al Maseer) and there are reports that they are being trained on Eritrean islands by the Iranian regime and their revolutionary corps.
As for Hussein Badr Al Deen, there are recording of him, where he openly accuses Sahaba such as Omar Ibn Al Khattab of being the worst sinner on earth, he says all the dilemma that this Ummah is facing is because of Omar Ibn Al-Khattab (retarded thing only Rafidis say):
(the clip contains a bunch of Houthis one dumber than the other. One says there is no such thing as Sahaba, only Ali! Nothing else. ALL Sahaba are liars he says. Literally a cave-man who doesn't even know what he's saying. These are the 'enlightened guided ones' according to the Rafidah! There is also an Ex-Houthi in the clip exposing them heavily)
Alhamdulillah the internet has exposed the Houthis in the Arab world but little do non-Arab speakers know about them.
The following video for example is the massive mazar/shrine of Badr Al Deen Al Houthi! Look how these heretics have already started exaggerating with their own leader who died just a decade ago by making Tawaf around his massive mausoleum, errected high in the sky, a waste of money and against the Sunnah of Rasul Allah and his Ahlul-Bayt! But don't be shocked, all the tyrants such as Ataturk, Khomeini etc. were buried in such wasteful anti-Islamic buildings, the people of kufr are but one nation after all.
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^ To be fair, Egypt did have a decent ruler until ... Well, all the Sunni Egyptians protested and overwhelmingly voted to replace him with Sisi.
This is an unjust accusation, far from the truth. Kuffar and Muslims alike know and testify that it was a revolution by the army supported by SECULARISTS and not orthodox Sunnis who in their majority voted for Mursi.
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^ To be fair, Egypt did have a decent ruler until ... Well, all the Sunni Egyptians protested and overwhelmingly voted to replace him with Sisi.
This is an unjust accusation, far from the truth. Kuffar and Muslims alike know and testify that it was a revolution by the army supported by SECULARISTS and not orthodox Sunnis who in their majority voted for Mursi.
A revolution is brought about by the people. What is brought about by the army is marshal law.
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It is marshal law in Egypt, Anyone who protests is shot and beaten by the army, anyone who criticizes Sisi is arrested, any TV channel inside Egypt that attacks Sisi is shut down immediately.
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Well brother Hani, talking means speaking out and that is the first step that Iran has always done. The list is endless about Iranian achievements concerning unity amongst Muslims and speaking out and in defence of Islam, the Prophet (pbuh) and Muslim suffering.
What unity ? Iran doesn't even allow a Sunni mosque in Tehran, and they try to talk about unity.
When the Bosnian Muslims were suffering Iranians went to their aid, it was Iran who issued a Fatwa against Rushdie in protection and defence of Azwaj e Rasool and broke diplomatic ties with the west. And like I said that the list is endless.
Why Bosnia or Palestine ? Iran couldn't even help their 12er Shia brothers in Bahrain and Pakistan. Yet, they want to go around the Sunni world and monopolize the emotions.
As for the Fatwa of Rushdie it no different than the fitna of Charlie Hebdo today. In fact, the Fatwa just made Muslims look extreme.
But it's obvious that your grievance with Shiaism doesn't make you think straight and fair about Iran. And what are the Arab states doing??? Have they ever bothered to join Iran in matters of collective interest concerning Islam and the Muslims??? Have these states even bothered to talk and speak out???
If Sikhs and Jews are allowed their own place of worship, why can't Sunnis have their own place of worship.
And you have the nerve to say that "what does Iran do apart from talking". What the hell can one country do when the others are hand in hand with the west. Come on man, just a little bit of justice and fairness won't hurt, will it???
This talk of Iran has made no progress for 12er Shia in Pakistan and Bahrain. Likewise the same case with the rulers who rule over the majority. They can't do anything.
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^ To be fair, Egypt did have a decent ruler until ... Well, all the Sunni Egyptians protested and overwhelmingly voted to replace him with Sisi.
Yah sure. The foolish man Morsi comes in power and blames all the historical problems on the Shias. Then the people go around and unjustly kill Shehata.
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Ebn Hussein, you are too funny haha. The way you describe these houthis, LOL.
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Yah sure. The foolish man Morsi comes in power and blames all the historical problems on the Shias. Then the people go around and unjustly kill Shehata.
Absolute nonsense!
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Iran has been building nuclear power for centuries hasn't it ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/7rDIKkh.jpg)
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Iran has been building nuclear power for centuries hasn't it ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/7rDIKkh.jpg)
Yes and Arab states as well as anti Shias are getting multiple heart attacks over this. Just one Shia dominant governement and country and we can't stand this. We simply can't digest this. We're constantly falling in and out over this.
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