Excellent post. I knew that Khomeini's quote wasn't misquoted. I hope a counter video is made to expose IP. His sugar coating needs to be challenged.
Are you on sh!tchat? Post our response to these people, and yes, a response is on its way, and it will be even more devastating for the Rafida than the intitial documentary, bi'ithnillah.jazakallaha khyaran, was waiting for this desperatly
Are you on sh!tchat? Post our response to these people, and yes, a response is on its way, and it will be even more devastating for the Rafida than the intitial documentary, bi'ithnillah.
"you have to follow the law of the land" (:hahaha:) are said due to maslaha,
Also they make it sound like as if Da'esh scholars had some different Fiqh revealed to them from the heavens. Da'esh scholars and their Fiqh is primarily based on classical opinions in Sunni Fiqh, derived from the same traditions and verses of the Qur'an. It would be absurd (I.e. taqiyyah) for a Sunni to say that Da'esh ijtihad is not valid, justified and hujjah |
I could care less what Majlisi or Ne'matullah Jazairi had to say about the Sunnis - it is very clear their living contexts and as well as Akhbari methodology heavily influenced their opinions and comments on this subject.
If you notice, the Salafis live foremost in history. Majority of their quotes from influential Shia scholars go back to what scholars had said centuries ago - particularly the Safavid era (like what Majlisi says, or what Karaki says or Ne'matullah Jaza'iri said, or what Mufid said, or what Saduq said and so on), or at the very earliest they rely on material from the middle of the last century (like this quote from Imam Khomeini). But, because they are engaged in propaganda, they strip these quotes and present them, and the audience has no idea about the different notions that dominated the world at those times or what were the scholarly backgrounds of these scholars (for example if you understand the era and personalities of Majlisi, Ne'matullah Jaza'iri or Karaki you will realize that what they were saying was not absurd at all for their times and the type of interpretation they were doing from the religious texts). You can very easily do the same with their scholarship if the game is being played dirty. This is similar to Islamophobes taking out laws and narrations that talk about slavery and present them - they have to resort to works written centuries ago generally to argue their case. This is polemics for you.
The Rafidi says:
Previously he said:
This is inaccurate and TSD documentary alone disproves his claims. For every Safawi "scholar" we can bring 5 living scholars of them, including non-Shirazis who openly do takfir and curse the Sahaba just as the Safawi "scholars" did, so who is living in the past? Why isn't he blaming his own cursed "scholars" of today?
"They are living in the past" is such a pathetic and almost modernist argument, after all, the likes of Majlisi (who is revered among ALL their scholars) didn't make anything up, they weren't even pure Akhbaris, people at their times could have also accused them of living in the past, the reality is, the root of all the evil, which is Rafidism, IS evil, the plethora of narrations of cursing and takfir makes even the "unity aspiring" Ayatullat slip and curse the Sahaba whilst being recorded on tape!
The Rafidi "scholars" during the Safavid time just expressed more openly what was in Shia book for centuries anyway, what their Salaf believed in anyway, a plethora of narrations, mass-takfir against anyone who happened to be in the opposing camp, other than the camp of Ali (reality: Ali never accused his brothers who fought him of kufr, he was well aware it was a fitna!)
http://www.revivingalislam.com/2012/01/how-evil-are-those-who-fought-ali.html
^As you can see, mass-takfir is part and parcel of their religion, and we are not obsessed with their crazy and pagan religion, it is their religion that for centuries is breeding on polemics (it's says enough that most Shia da'wa activities are aimed at gullible and ignorant Sunnis not non-Muslims!), it is their regime that has lunched tons of satellite channels in various languages targetting our beliefs! If it wasn't for that, we would ignore them as we mostly ignore Ibadhis, Zaydis or even Qadyanis! They have opened the gates of hell for themselves and have to pay the consequences, no wailing will help this time.
What are you on about, mass takfir. Those who accuse Shias of takfir, isn't that mass takfir.
"Ali never accused his brothers who fought him of kufr, he was well aware it was a fitna!"
And why don't you do it. They took up arms and fought your 4th rightly guided Caliph and Ulul Amre of the time. At least accuse them of fitna and being the cause of it. Raising arms, fighting and killing and spilling blood is worse than verbal abuse or takfir. Open your eyes man and see clearly. Those who opposed any of the first three are considered what by you?
If you notice, the Salafis live foremost in history. Majority of their quotes from influential Shia scholars go back to what scholars had said centuries ago - particularly the Safavid era (like what Majlisi says, or what Karaki says or Ne'matullah Jaza'iri said, or what Mufid said, or what Saduq said and so on), or at the very earliest they rely on material from the middle of the last century (like this quote from Imam Khomeini). But, because they are engaged in propaganda, they strip these quotes and present them, and the audience has no idea about the different notions that dominated the world at those times or what were the scholarly backgrounds of these scholars (for example if you understand the era and personalities of Majlisi, Ne'matullah Jaza'iri or Karaki you will realize that what they were saying was not absurd at all for their times and the type of interpretation they were doing from the religious texts). You can very easily do the same with their scholarship if the game is being played dirty. This is similar to Islamophobes taking out laws and narrations that talk about slavery and present them - they have to resort to works written centuries ago generally to argue their case. This is polemics for you.
This is inaccurate and TSD documentary alone disproves his claims. For every Safawi "scholar" we can bring 5 living scholars of them, including non-Shirazis who openly do takfir and curse the Sahaba just as the Safawi "scholars" did, so who is living in the past? Why isn't he blaming his own cursed "scholars" of today?
(for example if you understand the era and personalities of Majlisi, Ne'matullah Jaza'iri or Karaki you will realize that what they were saying was not absurd at all for their times and the type of interpretation they were doing from the religious texts).
Are you on sh!tchat? Post our response to these people, and yes, a response is on its way, and it will be even more devastating for the Rafida than the intitial documentary, bi'ithnillah.cant wait more, when is that coming
My only advice to these Khomeinists, these Neo-Safawis and Rafidis in general is that the age of fooling the Sunni masses is over, our Sunni Iranian satellite channels (launched from abroad as we Iranian Sunnis are deprived of running a single radio station in our majority Sunni provinces and cities, our lands for God's sake, forget about TV) have been broadcasting just over a decade ago, the Da'wah is still fresh and young, it's our age, our turn, every lie will be exposed, all the lies and hypocrisy in the name of Ahlul-Bayt and "unity" will be exposed, no matter how many forced or paid (sell outs) Iranian or non-Iranian Sunni scholars they will present in order to fool the gullible, no matter how many fake "unity conferences" they set up, actions speak louder than words.
What I am on about? Your religion teaches that all Sahaba except 3 (some narrations are slightly more generous) apostated!
Renowned Shia scholar `Ali al-Namazi a-Shahroudi says in his book "Mustadrakat `Ilm-ul-Rijal" 1/67:
We conclude from the big quantity of [Shia]narrations declaring that all companions are apostates except three or four, that the general rule for every companion who remained alive after the Prophet (saw) and did not become a martyr in his time, is that they are apostates for placing the non-chosen leader (means Abu Bakr) in authority over the chosen leader (means `Ali), or impious sinners for their short comings when it came to supporting him (means `Ali), thus it is not possible to assume the reliability of any of them except through a specific divine text.
^This disgusting mass-takfir belief is based on a plethora of Shia narrations that declare the Sahaba as kuffar, then you wonder why you, a bunch of tomb crawling and Imam invoking deviants are called kuffar?! You deserve that and much more!
“The people all became apostates after the Prophet’s death except for three.” When asked who they were, he replied, “al-Miqdad ibn al-Aswad, Abu Dharr, and Salman...” (Rijal al-Kashshi pp12-13)”.
This is mass takfir of the vast majority of the Sahaba! This is why the scholars state that the Rawafilth (Rawafid i.e. your kind) are worse and more extreme in takfir than the Khawarij! As for takfir on the Shia:
Many Shias are Muslims. Zaydi Shias are Muslims, early (political) Shias in the time (many of them narrators in Bukhari) were Muslim, however, Ismailis, Twelvers and every other extreme sect that holds kufri beliefs is out of the fold of Islam.
That's the problem with you Rafida, you have been brainwashed, fallen for a narrative and build principles based on that false narrative and premise. Sahih narrations do not prove that people simply took up arms against Ali, yes certain groups did, like the Khawarij (and even on them Ali didn't make Takfir), other Sahaba were involved in a Fitnah, Ali was on the truth, Ali never accused them of kufr and even cursed their killers (like how Ali cursed the killer of al-Zubayr), end of the story. It is your backwarded takfir sect that treats Ali like a god and declares everyone a kafir who happened to had an issue with him! Those who opposed any of the three are not by necessity kafirs to us. Sa'd ibn Ubadah didn't give bay'ah to Abu Bakr, doesn't make him a kafir! We are not emotional Imam worshippers like you.
And your problem is that you go around looking for things within in books to paint your desired picture of my faith, belief and community. And you do it with what ever bits and pieces you can find and then take them out of context. This is exactly what is called PROPAGANDA. Ever heard of it.
People have difference in thought, opinion and point of view. Are Sunnis not the same.
Some Sunnis send takfir on others. Some (Deobandi) are not willing to give funeral prayers to a deceased of another (Barelvi). As far as books are concerned what ever is in that book is down to the author and writer of that book. No one can impose anything from that book and hold any sect, faith or community at ransom or accountable for what's in that book. Do I make myself clear. Obviously not because you're a PROPAGANDIST!
Says the guy who uses FALSE PROPAGANDA against certain friends of the prophet saw......without authentic proof....,.ICEMAN you are a true hypocrite how can you possibly call others propagandists when YOU yourself are doing EXACTLY that.
You still haven’t provided authentic evidence of Umar ra saying ......”don’t listen to him”......YET!
You propagandist😂😂
And your problem is that you go around looking for things within in books to paint your desired picture of my faith, belief and community. And you do it with what ever bits and pieces you can find and then take them out of context. This is exactly what is called PROPAGANDA. Ever heard of it.
People have difference in thought, opinion and point of view. Are Sunnis not the same.
Some Sunnis send takfir on others. Some (Deobandi) are not willing to give funeral prayers to a deceased of another (Barelvi). As far as books are concerned what ever is in that book is down to the author and writer of that book. No one can impose anything from that book and hold any sect, faith or community at ransom or accountable for what's in that book. Do I make myself clear. Obviously not because you're a PROPAGANDIST!
Nonsense, give it a rest Ya Rafidi, these damage control rants used to work a decade or so, not in this age anymore, trust me. ANTI-MAJOS has been accused of anything except mistranslations (or things being taken out of context) or things out of context, in fact many mushrik Shias were proud of all the shirk we have exposed, others who had some braincelss left were so disturbed, they openly admitted that ANTI-MAJOS made them doubt Shi'ism (hence RafidaORG felt the need to respond, but failed miserably).
So don't chat rubbish my friend. The TSD documentary itself made all ya blood boil so hard because it did expose your grand Ayatullats, those non-Shirazis who just like Shirazis curse and do mass-takfir against Sahaba, just a little bit more behind the curtains. So no, i's not propaganda or taking things out of context, it's your filthy religion in raw form.
And the humiliation continuous, this is indeed the era where Rafidism gets exposed to the masses like never before in all of its humiliated and vile history.
Nonsense, give it a rest Ya Rafidi, these damage control rants used to work a decade or so, not in this age anymore, trust me. ANTI-MAJOS has been accused of anything except mistranslations (or things being taken out of context) or things out of context, in fact many mushrik Shias were proud of all the shirk we have exposed, others who had some braincelss left were so disturbed, they openly admitted that ANTI-MAJOS made them doubt Shi'ism (hence RafidaORG felt the need to respond, but failed miserably).
So don't chat rubbish my friend. The TSD documentary itself made all ya blood boil so hard because it did expose your grand Ayatullats, those non-Shirazis who just like Shirazis curse and do mass-takfir against Sahaba, just a little bit more behind the curtains. So no, i's not propaganda or taking things out of context, it's your filthy religion in raw form.
And the humiliation continuous, this is indeed the era where Rafidism gets exposed to the masses like never before in all of its humiliated and vile history. Years of "unity" crap propaganda and the demonization of Sunnis who oppose Rafidism under the pretext of "combating Wahhabism" (later Daesh/Isis) were wasted, nobody is believing their empty slogans anymore, whether Shirazi Majoos or Khomeinists Majoos, both of them are enemies of Ahlus-sunnah, united in their hatred for the Sahaba.
Muzaffer that whiny beta male might as well start hiding forever like his non-existing and non-guiding "Imam".
Watched, more like listened to, it during my morning commute.
While watching Islamic Pulse's "fiery response", I thought Muzaffer's constant "takfeeri Wahhabis" phrase was appalling until I watched his tweet, featured on the latest TSD video, in which Muzaffer used the hashtag "DeathToSaudis" (watch 36:54).
Never will I ever criticize the Saudi regime in front of a Shia nor will I allow a Shia to do so in my presence.
China wages relentless crackdowns on its Muslims. But Saudi Arabia stays quiet as it bolsters ties with Beijing.
BEIJING — In China, the current Islamic holy month of Ramadan can bring even more struggles for Muslims already under relentless pressures.
Chinese authorities are bullying members of the Muslim minority Uighur community to eat and drink before sundown — in violation of Islamic rules for Ramadan — with the implicit threat of punishment if they do not, activists say.
“It’s distressing, and it’s insulting to our dignity,” said Dolkun Isa, president of the World Uyghur Congress, an advocacy organization based in Munich.
He described how restaurants run by Muslims in the western Chinese region of Xinjiang have been forced to open during the day and how Uighur workers have been harassed to eat and drink during lunch breaks at their Chinese-run places of work.
And what does the Crown prince of Saudi Arabia do when he visited China.
Mohammad bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’’s crown prince, on Friday defended China’s use of concentration camps for Muslims, saying it was Beijing’s “right”. 😐😑
Oh is iceman trying to bait muslim720 with the saudi post?
China wages relentless crackdowns on its Muslims. But Saudi Arabia stays quiet as it bolsters ties with Beijing.
BEIJING — In China, the current Islamic holy month of Ramadan can bring even more struggles for Muslims already under relentless pressures.
Chinese authorities are bullying members of the Muslim minority Uighur community to eat and drink before sundown — in violation of Islamic rules for Ramadan — with the implicit threat of punishment if they do not, activists say.
“It’s distressing, and it’s insulting to our dignity,” said Dolkun Isa, president of the World Uyghur Congress, an advocacy organization based in Munich.
He described how restaurants run by Muslims in the western Chinese region of Xinjiang have been forced to open during the day and how Uighur workers have been harassed to eat and drink during lunch breaks at their Chinese-run places of work.
And what does the Crown prince of Saudi Arabia do when he visited China.
Mohammad bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’’s crown prince, on Friday defended China’s use of concentration camps for Muslims, saying it was Beijing’s “right”. 😐😑
MBS is a tyrant. Most sunnis do not like Saudi royal family.
Shias need to stop thinking that we view the saudi royals like they view khamenei and co. Most of us happily criticise our leaders, whereas shias go to excessive means to defend Iran/Khamenei's regime.
Iceman is a pure hypocrite he won’t say anything bad about Iran’s leader who wants closer ties with China I have posted an image of the two sat together.
Yes we hate bin salman we admit it and call a spade a spade but this hypocrite even after being shown evidences will NEVER criticise Iran or its leaders instead the hypocrite will bang on about how we hate Iran and Shias even after evidence is put forth.
He has that much hate for Sunnis that he is blinded by it.
Iceman is a pure hypocrite he won’t say anything bad about Iran’s leader who wants closer ties with China I have posted an image of the two sat together.
Yes we hate bin salman we admit it and call a spade a spade but this hypocrite even after being shown evidences will NEVER criticise Iran or its leaders instead the hypocrite will bang on about how we hate Iran and Shias even after evidence is put forth.
He has that much hate for Sunnis that he is blinded by it.
Twelver shia positions in this area of politics are weird and hypocritical in all honestly. They complain about Yazid 1400 years ago and Saudi now but in the present day they also support Bashar Al-Assad.
The user "whoaretheshia" on here, stated on shiachat before that he believes shias who dislike khamenei to be munafiqs. All the while, Khamenei is out there sitting cosy with Assad. Imagine holding such reverence for a guy who openly meets a tyrant under whose regime countless Muslim women have been raped and countless Muslim children have been murdered.
It's just crazy.
"He has that much hate for Sunnis that he is blinded by it"
😊 If I had hate for Sunnis I would be speaking in the same way, fashion and manner to you as you do to me. And I would treat you and others just as you see and treat me. My Ikhlaq shows how much hate I have for Sunnis 😊😊
Twelver shia positions in this area of politics are weird and hypocritical in all honestly. They complain about Yazid 1400 years ago and Saudi now but in the present day they also support Bashar Al-Assad.
The user "whoaretheshia" on here, stated on shiachat before that he believes shias who dislike khamenei to be munafiqs. All the while, Khamenei is out there sitting cosy with Assad. Imagine holding such reverence for a guy who openly meets a tyrant under whose regime countless Muslim women have been raped and countless Muslim children have been murdered.
It's just crazy.
WATCH how he will not answer to the pic I posted of shia leader sat next to chinese leader after going on a tangent about how Saudi are close with China .........yet the hypocrite will still bang on about how much we hate Shias.........WATCH!😉
Hypocrite number 1!😂
I wonder if seeing such things, like their imam khamenei sitting with tyrants and allying with them, causes doubts in their hearts.
Yea your ikhlaq shows how biased of an individual you are against Sunnis your ikhlaq even will bring you to mention others parents who have nothing to do with the conversation.
My way of talking to you is against you and the condescending way you post.
Look at your posts.😂
Your way of talking and behaviour is of someone who has been brainwashed from day one. You have grudge and hate filled in your heart and that's how you've been brought up and taught. As long as the poison is within you the illness of disrespecting and mistreating others will remain. Just pointing facts out about you. Not that I personally care and have time for someone of your nature and stance. 😊
I wonder if seeing such things, like their imam khamenei sitting with tyrants and allying with them, causes doubts in their hearts.
What tyrant 😊
(https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/file/getimagecustom/c94c7e47-5307-45d2-aef4-55331544a74d/850/479)
(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2016/01/Mideast-Iran-China_Horo.jpg)
So what makes you call them tyrant 😊
China wages relentless crackdowns on its Muslims. But Saudi Arabia stays quiet as it bolsters ties with Beijing.
BEIJING — In China, the current Islamic holy month of Ramadan can bring even more struggles for Muslims already under relentless pressures.
Chinese authorities are bullying members of the Muslim minority Uighur community to eat and drink before sundown — in violation of Islamic rules for Ramadan — with the implicit threat of punishment if they do not, activists say.
“It’s distressing, and it’s insulting to our dignity,” said Dolkun Isa, president of the World Uyghur Congress, an advocacy organization based in Munich.
He described how restaurants run by Muslims in the western Chinese region of Xinjiang have been forced to open during the day and how Uighur workers have been harassed to eat and drink during lunch breaks at their Chinese-run places of work.
And what does the Crown prince of Saudi Arabia do when he visited China.
Mohammad bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’’s crown prince, on Friday defended China’s use of concentration camps for Muslims, saying it was Beijing’s “right”. 😐😑
Let's start off with the chinese guy. You can tell me why he isn't a tyrant, afterall, you said:
Now you're going on what I said, so he is a tyrant. Or his behaviour towards Chinese Muslims is ruthless and brutal. Or at least the rights of Chinese Muslims are crushed and oppressed. Lets stick to this that the Chinese leader is a tyrant. Why focus on the Iranian leadership? Just because they're Shia? If Iran's leadership was Sunni then not a word would be said by you. That's my point. Either be honest by being fair and just and criticise and condemn the entire Muslim Ummah and that is the leadership of other Muslim countries and nations. Or stop using general and global issues to settle personal scores.
What about the leadership of Bahrain and how they treated its civilians during the Arab spring? What about Saudi Arabia and how its treating its civilians in the south. Are these leaderships not tyrant? Is it just Assad we're after and focusing on? What about Irans support for the Palestinians and for Palestine against Israeli occupation? How much has other Muslim nations especially the Arab leaders helped by standing firm with Iran over the Palestinian issue. I believe looking at other Muslim leaders and their establishment Iran is doing the right thing and that is to look after and put its country, nation and economy first by building better ties with the international community. This is what I called for and told the Iranians years back.
Are you not reading this thread...? We have said we will condemn people like the saudis if they support China.
Now can you condemn khamenei as a zalim tyrant lover for being cosy with the Chinese? Seems not. What a hypocrite. Praises Iran for being cosy with China but attacks the Saudis for doing the same.
"We have said we will condemn people like the saudis if they support China"
If? They already have. Are you not reading the thread. Read post #31.
"Now can you condemn khamenei as a zalim tyrant lover for being cosy with the Chinese?"
Read post #31 then use the same words about the Saudi Crown Prince.
MBS is a tyrant. Most sunnis do not like Saudi royal family.
Shias need to stop thinking that we view the saudi royals like they view khamenei and co. Most of us happily criticise our leaders, whereas shias go to excessive means to defend Iran/Khamenei's regime.
Already called him it before when I replied to you
But if it makes you happy - MBS is a zalim tyrant lover.
Let's here you call out khamenei now lol.
Shias may stay quiet and defend their leaders tyranny but we sunnis are not like that.
The Sunnis are like that through out. Which Gulf state or Arab state sided with Iran for support for the Palestinian people. Which Sunni leadership supports Hamas or Islamic Jihad. What about the Saudis seeking support from the west against Saddam. Would you call the Bahrain leadership tyrant for what they have done and are doing to their people, just as the Syrian leadership. It's your double standards that's the issue.
Do you have trouble reading? I asked you to call out khamenei. Come on, do it or do you support oppression?
You're just trying to deflect the attention away by randomly bringing up Palestine, Saddam, aliens etc...
If you call out khamenei, then we can move on to other issues that you want to discuss :)
Once you can get rid of your double standards and be honest, fair and just with yourselves then we can look into to any matter and call out anyone. 😊😊
Typical. Asks for a sunni to condemn MBS and gets a condemnation. But then won't condemn khamanei for being cosy with the chinese too.
Truly I've never known a people to support oppressors and tyrants as much as the shia do. :-\ :-\
The Shias don't. The Sunnis do. How many countries do you have that are Shia led? And how many Sunni led. How many terror groups are Sunni and how many Shia? It's not that difficult to work out. 😊😊
Yea your ikhlaq shows how biased of an individual you are against Sunnis your ikhlaq even will bring you to mention others parents who have nothing to do with the conversation.
My way of talking to you is against you and the condescending way you post.
Look at your posts.😂
4 countries if u count alawites as shia. ^
3 shia led countries, out of which two seem to be led by religious people or religiously influenced. Both Iraq and Iran produce huge numbers of shia terrorist groups which are normally state sanctioned or funded.
There are more sunni terrorist groups probably but we are 9 times your number so that's not a good argument either. :) ;) ;)
Now condemn Khamenei for being a tyrant who gets cosy with other tyrants such as Xi jiping. How hard is it to do that?