Hussain - So as to save the world from devastation.

[Soccer]

Descended to a world that doesn't deserve him
Hussain still lives in the sky
Helping those who respond to the call

All praise to God who's favor to humanity is upon the family of Mohammad and Ali
All praise to God who's grace to humanity is upon the family of Mohammad and Ali
All praise to God who's kindness to humanity is upon the family of Mohammad and Ali
All praise to God who completed his religion with the father of Hussain,
And Grandfather of Hussain and Mother of Hussain
And Brother of Hussain and nine leaders stemming from Hussain

They are the beautiful way
May God guide us to the straight path
The path of those who God favored upon
Favored upon his favor to humanity
With a path to him
Light to brighten the darkness
Justice in a world that is apathetic and shallow

Hussain sacrificed himself so as to save the world from devastation
A devastation that surely can still come
Warned about in the Quran
He knew the risks
And he knew probability was betrayal
But if there was a chance
To save humanity from the evil of Iblis
He wanted to do it
For surely the devastation is coming
He surely understood so much was as stake
Something the selfish betrayers did not

"If you do not do it, there will be in the earth great mischief/corruption..."
To stop the oppression from spreading wide
To stop the punishment that befell the rebellious nations of the past
To make an ease to justice
To light the way
There was a chance....
We blew it and he left us
We blew it and let our guest from God be murdered
Woe to us, why do we want the Mahdi?
So to do to him what was done to his forefathers?
"So why did you kill the Prophets before if you were believers?"

[Mythbuster1]

Lol

Huassian ra doesn’t live in the sky…….that’s more Christian belief…….Muslim belief is the martyrs are alive in their graves in BARZAKH!!! Not flying in sky

So Hussain ra SACRIFICED himself to save the world from devastation??

That is the main theme Christians use as to why Jesus died on the cross.

Oh my the resemblance is so close🤔🤔

[Mythbuster1]

We blew it and he left us
We blew it and let our guest from God be murdered
Woe to us, why do we want the Mahdi?
So to do to him what was done to his forefathers?
"So why did you kill the Prophets before if you were believers?"

You kufan shiites most definitely did blow it by inviting him over and making false promises to help him and then siding with the enemy to kill him……..yes you killed the prophets before and now it’s families of the last prophet you are after and spreading lies and misinformation about them after they are long gone……you kufan shiites the killers of the noble family.

No Mahdi for you liars for he isn’t born yet…….again lying on the family of prophet pbuh.

[Soccer]

Lol

Huassian ra doesn’t live in the sky…….

They are the visited family and lanterns in the sky of this world:

And even if We open to them a gateway of heaven, so that they ascend into it all the while, 14They would certainly say: Only our eyes have been intoxicated, rather we are an enchanted people. 15And certainly We have made strongholds in the heaven and We have made it fair seeming to the beholders. 16And We guard it against every accursed Shaitan, 17But he who steals a hearing, so there follows him a visible flame.

And a hadith to support this:

المفيد : حدثنا الصدوق حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل عن محمد بن ابي عبدالله الكوفي عن موسى بن عمران ([31][33]) عن عمه الحسين بن يزيد عن علي بن سالم عن ابيه علن سالم بن دينار عن سعد بن طريف عن الاصبغ بن نباتة قال : سمعت ابن عباس يقول : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله : ذكر الله عز وجل عبادة ، وذكري عبادة ، وذكر علي عبادة ، وذكر الائمة من ولده عبادة ، والذي بعثني بالنبوة وجعلني خير البرية ، إن وصي لافضل الاوصياء ، وإنه لحجة الله على عباده ، وخليفته على خلقه ، ومن ولده الائمة الهداة بعدي ، بهم يحبس الله عن أهل الارض ، وبهم يمسك السماء ان تقع على الارض إلا بإذنه ، وبهم يمسك السماء ان تميد بهم ، وبهم يسقى خلقه الغيث ، وبهم يخرج النبات ، أولئك أولياء الله حقاً وخلفاؤه صدقاً ، عدتهم عدة الشهور ، وهي اثنا عشر شهراً ، وعدتهم عدة نقباء موسى بن عمران عليه السلام ، ثم تلا هذه الاية ( والسماء ذات البروج ) ، ثم قال : اتُقَدِّر ـ يابن عباس ـ أن الله يقسم بالسماء ذات البروج ، ويعني به السماء وبروجها ؟ قلت : يارسول الله ، فما ذاك ، قال : اما السماء فأنا ، واما البروج فالائمة بعدي ، أولهم علي وآخرهم المهدي ([32][34]) .


Quoted from Ibn Abbas from Rasool (s): The remembrance of god is worship, and remembrance of me is worship, and remembrance of Ali is worship, and remembrance of the leaders from his sons is worship, and I swear by the one who brought me up as a Prophet and made me the best of creatures - my successor is the best of successor and he is God's proof on his servants, and his ruler/representative on his creation, and from his sons is the leaders of guidance after me by them does God account on the people of earth, and by them does he prevent the sky from falling on the people of the earth by his permission, and by them does he stop the sky from destroying them, and by them does he bring down the rain, and by them does he bring about the harvest, and these God's Walis by truth and his rulers/representatives truly, and their number is that of the luminaries (to be sought for illumination) and they are twelve luminaries (to be sought from illumination) and their number is that of the Captains of Musa son of Imran, and they are twelve then he recited the verse "And by the sky full of stars" then said "On Son of Abbas, do you think that God would swear by the sky full of stars and he means the (physical) sky and it's stars? so I said "O Messenger of God what is it then?" He said "as for the sky/heaven it's me, as for the stars they are the leaders after me, first of them is Ali and last of them is the Mahdi"

[Soccer]

So Hussain ra SACRIFICED himself to save the world from devastation??

The future despite what all Muslims may say, is not known. The Quran warns about catastrophes that faced nations before us and cities before us, but the catastrophe with the Mahdi (a) because Mohammad (s) is a universal messenger, is of the greatest warnings.

There are different scenarios - if Ahlulbayt (a) would be accepted by the world, not a city need be punished or destroyed.

The oppressors in the past use to think they cannot be defeated, many times people saw themselves as super powers, and they plan and plan against God's plans, but their plans are part of God's plans and God's plans are best.

God doesn't want to destroy anyone, but if people oppress believers, and believers rely on him, it's incumbent upon God to deliver the believers from their oppressors as spoken about in Quran at the moments of peril, God responds.

It's better believers defeat the oppressors and oppressors submit to believers and their religion of truth, then God saving the believers and destroying the oppressors and their supporters and their silent watchers like he did with people of Noah and people of the Pharaoh.

It's better humanity decide to not oppress believers, but I'm not holding my breath. Satan controls this generation like he controlled others.

[Mythbuster1]

They are the visited family and lanterns in the sky of this world:

And even if We open to them a gateway of heaven, so that they ascend into it all the while, 14They would certainly say: Only our eyes have been intoxicated, rather we are an enchanted people. 15And certainly We have made strongholds in the heaven and We have made it fair seeming to the beholders. 16And We guard it against every accursed Shaitan, 17But he who steals a hearing, so there follows him a visible flame.

And a hadith to support this:

المفيد : حدثنا الصدوق حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل عن محمد بن ابي عبدالله الكوفي عن موسى بن عمران ([31][33]) عن عمه الحسين بن يزيد عن علي بن سالم عن ابيه علن سالم بن دينار عن سعد بن طريف عن الاصبغ بن نباتة قال : سمعت ابن عباس يقول : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله : ذكر الله عز وجل عبادة ، وذكري عبادة ، وذكر علي عبادة ، وذكر الائمة من ولده عبادة ، والذي بعثني بالنبوة وجعلني خير البرية ، إن وصي لافضل الاوصياء ، وإنه لحجة الله على عباده ، وخليفته على خلقه ، ومن ولده الائمة الهداة بعدي ، بهم يحبس الله عن أهل الارض ، وبهم يمسك السماء ان تقع على الارض إلا بإذنه ، وبهم يمسك السماء ان تميد بهم ، وبهم يسقى خلقه الغيث ، وبهم يخرج النبات ، أولئك أولياء الله حقاً وخلفاؤه صدقاً ، عدتهم عدة الشهور ، وهي اثنا عشر شهراً ، وعدتهم عدة نقباء موسى بن عمران عليه السلام ، ثم تلا هذه الاية ( والسماء ذات البروج ) ، ثم قال : اتُقَدِّر ـ يابن عباس ـ أن الله يقسم بالسماء ذات البروج ، ويعني به السماء وبروجها ؟ قلت : يارسول الله ، فما ذاك ، قال : اما السماء فأنا ، واما البروج فالائمة بعدي ، أولهم علي وآخرهم المهدي ([32][34]) .


Quoted from Ibn Abbas from Rasool (s): The remembrance of god is worship, and remembrance of me is worship, and remembrance of Ali is worship, and remembrance of the leaders from his sons is worship, and I swear by the one who brought me up as a Prophet and made me the best of creatures - my successor is the best of successor and he is God's proof on his servants, and his ruler/representative on his creation, and from his sons is the leaders of guidance after me by them does God account on the people of earth, and by them does he prevent the sky from falling on the people of the earth by his permission, and by them does he stop the sky from destroying them, and by them does he bring down the rain, and by them does he bring about the harvest, and these God's Walis by truth and his rulers/representatives truly, and their number is that of the luminaries (to be sought for illumination) and they are twelve luminaries (to be sought from illumination) and their number is that of the Captains of Musa son of Imran, and they are twelve then he recited the verse "And by the sky full of stars" then said "On Son of Abbas, do you think that God would swear by the sky full of stars and he means the (physical) sky and it's stars? so I said "O Messenger of God what is it then?" He said "as for the sky/heaven it's me, as for the stars they are the leaders after me, first of them is Ali and last of them is the Mahdi"

So you base Hussain living in the sky and dying to save the world from some unauthentic Shiite narration???

You sure do follow the Christians in their ways, and you are proving it too.

Talk about making up false gods, you are an expert at that especially with your posts.

[Soccer]

So you base Hussain living in the sky and dying to save the world from some unauthentic Shiite narration???

You sure do follow the Christians in their ways, and you are proving it too.

Talk about making up false gods, you are an expert at that especially with your posts.

I see it in Quran with certainty. I don't doubt it. Hadiths are meant to be insights to Quran, so be careful when approaching hadiths so that you don't become blind to Quran by denying their truth.

[Soccer]

And the way to see everything in Quran clearly, is to let Quran contextualize it's verses.  The Quran has described the sorcery to harden the hearts and make people place words of God out of their place.  So the solution is to soften one's heart with tears of fear and sadness, and try to put God's words in their proper context with respect to the chapter, theme, and whole of Quran.

[Mythbuster1]

I see it in Quran with certainty. I don't doubt it. Hadiths are meant to be insights to Quran, so be careful when approaching hadiths so that you don't become blind to Quran by denying their truth.

So do tell us the verse where Husssin is flying in the sky like Christian belief of flying dead souls.
You my lil friend have to be extra careful when using unauthentic hadiths gathered by unknowns and forcing your own assumptions on verses of Quran.

Be afraid of Allah swt.

[Mythbuster1]

And the way to see everything in Quran clearly, is to let Quran contextualize it's verses.  The Quran has described the sorcery to harden the hearts and make people place words of God out of their place.  So the solution is to soften one's heart with tears of fear and sadness, and try to put God's words in their proper context with respect to the chapter, theme, and whole of Quran.

Yes…..but you don’t, instead you are adding your own assumptions and theories and creating your own themes of light and dark forces to your already hardened heart to sorcery most likely influenced by satanic whispers entering your head. Especially with regards to ahlu baith you have nothing but conjecture on verses of Quran.

[Soccer]

Salam

The Quran has discussed the Authority of Ahlulbayt (a) of the past (4:54) to make way for those who possess the Authority from us (4:59).  It also has described the kin chosen by God to be the pathway to God (42:23, 25:57).

Quran revealing as well that the sky is full of ways (51:7) and has talked about their being lanterns in the sky.  As Ahlulbayt (a) have been described to be the path of God (42:23, 25:57), it's rational this is discussing a dimension of their sacred reality.

The context also is about Mohammad's (a) Nubuwa and Authority, and so we see the Quran is saying, that even if God was to open a door to heaven - they would accuse of Mohammad (s) doing sorcery upon them and would not believe.

Allah (swt) also reveals that connection to the sky reality that Mohammad (s) can do is the guidance but that he can't do it for most because of their aversion from truth:

And should their aversion be hard on you, find, if you can, a tunnel into the ground, or a ladder into sky, that you may bring them a sign. Had Allah wished, He would have brought them together on guidance. So do not be one of the ignorant. (6:35)

Furthermore, Quran has discussed households that God permitted to be risen and his name remembered therein as the light of the heavens and earth.  Mohammad's (s) family is the last of these households and Quran has discussed how the sky reality was augmented with Mohammad's (s) coming to the extent Jinn can no longer attend any heaven and hear.

The context of the lanterns in the sky is also to prove the Authority of Mohammad (s).

[Mythbuster1]

Salam

The Quran has discussed the Authority of Ahlulbayt (a) of the past (4:54) to make way for those who possess the Authority from us (4:59).  It also has described the kin chosen by God to be the pathway to God (42:23, 25:57).

Quran revealing as well that the sky is full of ways (51:7) and has talked about their being lanterns in the sky.  As Ahlulbayt (a) have been described to be the path of God (42:23, 25:57), it's rational this is discussing a dimension of their sacred reality.

The context also is about Mohammad's (a) Nubuwa and Authority, and so we see the Quran is saying, that even if God was to open a door to heaven - they would accuse of Mohammad (s) doing sorcery upon them and would not believe.

Allah (swt) also reveals that connection to the sky reality that Mohammad (s) can do is the guidance but that he can't do it for most because of their aversion from truth:

And should their aversion be hard on you, find, if you can, a tunnel into the ground, or a ladder into sky, that you may bring them a sign. Had Allah wished, He would have brought them together on guidance. So do not be one of the ignorant. (6:35)

Furthermore, Quran has discussed households that God permitted to be risen and his name remembered therein as the light of the heavens and earth.  Mohammad's (s) family is the last of these households and Quran has discussed how the sky reality was augmented with Mohammad's (s) coming to the extent Jinn can no longer attend any heaven and hear.

The context of the lanterns in the sky is also to prove the Authority of Mohammad (s).

Assumptions ……(4/54)(4/59)(42/23)(25/57) NO clear verse on authority or the chosen family.

Nothing but conjecture.

Typical.

[Soccer]

To ignorant people, much of Quran is unclear.  The Quran is full of clear signs but only for soft hearts that understand through love of God and his chosen.

[Soccer]

That is which he gives good news to his servants that believe and do good deeds; say: I ask you no reward regarding it except the love in the kin and whoever earns goodness we increase them in it beauty, and God is forgiving, appreciative. (42:23)

Say: What in terms of a reward do I ask regarding it except who wants to, to take a path to their Lord? (25:57)

Or do they envy the humans for what God has given them out of his grace? For indeed we gave the family of Ibrahim, the book, and the wisdom and we gave them a great authority. (4:54)

O you who believe; obey God and obey the Messenger and those who Possess the Authority from you therefore if you dispute in a thing refer it to God and the Messenger if you believe in God and the last day; this is better and best in ending. (4:59)

[Mythbuster1]

To ignorant people, much of Quran is unclear.  The Quran is full of clear signs but only for soft hearts that understand through love of God and his chosen.

Well show the ignorant why they are ignorant and show the clear verses on following ahlu baith!

You seem to have a big problem with showing the truth from the Quran.

[Mythbuster1]

That is which he gives good news to his servants that believe and do good deeds; say: I ask you no reward regarding it except the love in the kin and whoever earns goodness we increase them in it beauty, and God is forgiving, appreciative. (42:23)

Say: What in terms of a reward do I ask regarding it except who wants to, to take a path to their Lord? (25:57)

Or do they envy the humans for what God has given them out of his grace? For indeed we gave the family of Ibrahim, the book, and the wisdom and we gave them a great authority. (4:54)

O you who believe; obey God and obey the Messenger and those who Possess the Authority from you therefore if you dispute in a thing refer it to God and the Messenger if you believe in God and the last day; this is better and best in ending. (4:59)

Somewhere in there their is a secret meaning which is ahlu baith that you just have to imagine to force the verses to relate to ahlu baith……….It only works for ignorants the majority of Muslims see and interpret the words as they are and see NO following of the ahlu baith.

You need to stay away from them satanic whispers in your head.

[Soccer]

Anyone can come up with absurd meanings to verses to deny the clear meanings. With respect to 42:23, this is what Sunnis do. They come up with an absurd meaning and ignore the clear meaning.  With respect to 4:59, the context is totally ignored which 4:54 shows it's about Ahlulbayt (a).

As for the reward verses, I made topics about them, but they are clear.

I posted this in another thread:

Mohammad (s) does not seek a reward from viewpoint of believers but from the viewpoint of disbelievers, that which they see as a reward and accusation of his false Prophethood from their viewpoint is being explained to be really this and that from the viewpoint that he is a true Prophet.

So the verses can be summarized to "I understand it looks like he is greedy for power, control, and landscaping society morally and leaving a legacy in his offspring and vesting authority to his bloodline from your vantage point of doubt and disbelief, but what is all that when you think about it, but something upon God to do from viewpoint that he is a true Prophet and what is all this rewards you accuse him of but really would be a path to God from viewpoint he is a true Prophet and what is all that but really love in the kin chosen by God and reminder to all nations of the past to present, as God always chose group of guides to guide humanity and linked them through kinship"

You can find more detail here: http://forum.twelvershia.net/imamah-ghaybah/4223-and-2557-and-reward-verses-prove-a-lot-in-context-of-quran/

[Mythbuster1]

Anyone can come up with absurd meanings to verses to deny the clear meanings. With respect to 42:23, this is what Sunnis do. They come up with an absurd meaning and ignore the clear meaning.  With respect to 4:59, the context is totally ignored which 4:54 shows it's about Ahlulbayt (a).

As for the reward verses, I made topics about them, but they are clear.

I posted this in another thread:

Mohammad (s) does not seek a reward from viewpoint of believers but from the viewpoint of disbelievers, that which they see as a reward and accusation of his false Prophethood from their viewpoint is being explained to be really this and that from the viewpoint that he is a true Prophet.

So the verses can be summarized to "I understand it looks like he is greedy for power, control, and landscaping society morally and leaving a legacy in his offspring and vesting authority to his bloodline from your vantage point of doubt and disbelief, but what is all that when you think about it, but something upon God to do from viewpoint that he is a true Prophet and what is all this rewards you accuse him of but really would be a path to God from viewpoint he is a true Prophet and what is all that but really love in the kin chosen by God and reminder to all nations of the past to present, as God always chose group of guides to guide humanity and linked them through kinship"

You can find more detail here: http://forum.twelvershia.net/imamah-ghaybah/4223-and-2557-and-reward-verses-prove-a-lot-in-context-of-quran/

Yes and you are good at pulling out absurd meanings especially if you’ve been fed ahlubaith lies all your life.

There is no ahlubaith in 4:59…….unless you can show clearly.

Give us your breakdown of the actual verse instead of summaries and joining up with other verses.

You have NOTHING but conjecture which the whispers of Satan are helping you in your delusion.

[Soccer]

Give us your breakdown of the actual verse instead of summaries and joining up with other verses.

Authority can mean so many things to different humans, but, what you are saying is the problem. You don't join it with other verses and do not let Quran contextualize it's own verses.

The context of the Authority in 4:59 by verses before and after is divine Authority given by God to his chosen ones.

[Soccer]

And 4:54 and 4:59 reinforce each other and contextualize each other.  And nature of language is to contextualize speech.  We contextualize everyone speech but with God and his chosen ones, we don't. This is a huge injustice that won't be taken lightly on the day of judgment.