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Im Back (ZulFiqar)

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AbdulKhader

Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« on: January 26, 2018, 12:18:24 PM »
السلام عليكم

Hello I'm back (ZulFiqar). After some soul searching I decided to become completely Sunni and reject Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani altogether.

So please don't ban me like last time, this time I will stay on topic. You see I'm being honest about who I am, I could have easily hidden my identity but that's against my own principles. So please don't ban me again.

والسلام


bint e aisha

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2018, 02:54:02 PM »
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reject Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani altogether

Do you now believe that he was a kafir?
« Last Edit: January 27, 2018, 02:55:43 PM by bint e aisha »

AbdulKhader

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2018, 03:05:06 PM »
Do you now believe that he was a kafir?

I refer judgment to God

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2018, 03:07:09 PM »
You are still promoting a pro qadiani website.

Do qadiani’s do taqiyya too?

AbdulKhader

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2018, 03:08:33 PM »
You are still promoting a pro qadiani website.

Do qadiani’s do taqiyya too?

It is not a Qadiani website Hasha Lillah!

It is my personal website and blog

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2018, 03:12:25 PM »
It has a section promoting & defending mirza ghulam ahmed.

So don’t lie about you’ve rejected him.


bint e aisha

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2018, 03:17:59 PM »
I refer judgment to God


Political statement!


People say: "To doubt the kufr of Qadiani is kufr in itself."

AbdulKhader

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2018, 03:25:48 PM »
It has a section promoting & defending mirza ghulam ahmed.

So don’t lie about you’ve rejected him.

No that section is not defending him, rather, it is exposing those individuals who defended him or praised him. It is not my own opinion but only for reference. Basically much of my blog, especially the earlier posts, are meant for keeping references, only recently I began writing entries expressing my own beliefs and views.

AbdulKhader

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2018, 03:28:13 PM »

Political statement!


People say: "To doubt the kufr of Qadiani is kufr in itself."

Making Takfir is not a light matter. I avoid doing so unless absolutely manifest that someone is a kafir. Even if someone is a kafir but the matter is doubtful it is best to reserve judgment, because that is erring on the side of caution for which a person won't be held accountable. But making Takfir of someone who is in fact a Muslim is dangerous so better to avoid Takfir of something that is not clear cut or doubtful. It is said by scholars of Sunna that if there is a statement of which 99 possible meanings are Kufr but one possible interpretation (Ta'wil) of it is not kufr, even then benefit of the doubt should be given and Takfir not done.

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2018, 03:34:42 PM »
No that section is not defending him, rather, it is exposing those individuals who defended him or praised him. It is not my own opinion but only for reference. Basically much of my blog, especially the earlier posts, are meant for keeping references, only recently I began writing entries expressing my own beliefs and views.

Why are you lying for?

There is nothing in that section refuting mirza ghulam ahmed.

No where does it say you are exposing or refuting those who praised him or defended him.

You have plastered up quotes of people praising him without questioning or refuting them.

You also have a page dedicated to defending accusations against mirza ghulam ahmed on the same website.

You’re not deceiving anyone here.

Your lies & deceptions make it clear what your purpose here is.

Hope you get banned again.


bint e aisha

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2018, 03:36:13 PM »
Making Takfir is not a light matter. I avoid doing so unless absolutely manifest that someone is a kafir. Even if someone is a kafir but the matter is doubtful it is best to reserve judgment, because that is erring on the side of caution for which a person won't be held accountable. But making Takfir of someone who is in fact a Muslim is dangerous so better to avoid Takfir of something that is not clear cut or doubtful. It is said by scholars of Sunna that if there is a statement of which 99 possible meanings are Kufr but one possible interpretation (Ta'wil) of it is not kufr, even then benefit of the doubt should be given and Takfir not done.


It is absolutely manifest that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and his followers are Kafir. And the scholars of Sunnah are unanimous on this. The Sahaba doing Jihad against Musaylimah Kazzab and other such kuffar is not enough as an example?

Farid

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2018, 03:38:23 PM »
I refer judgment to God

Wrong answer.

Banned.

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2018, 06:01:26 PM »
Praise be to Allah! He has made you realize that you were upon misguided path(qadiyanism) and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was an imposter.

May Allah keep you steadfast on the right and straight path. The path of Prophet(saws) and his companions, I.E. Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama'ah.

However, the forum has certain rules, you can't advertise your blog here which contains pro-qadiyanism stuff. And you should delete all the pro qadiyanism stuff from your blog, as it could become a means through which lay people could get misguided. That's an advice from my side .


Rationalist

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2018, 09:24:59 PM »
He needs to send lanat to Mirza Ghulaam Ahmed 1000x.

simplemuslim

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2018, 10:52:47 PM »
Wrong answer.

Banned.

Why did you ban him for? It does not matter what he believes in as long as he does not promote his beliefs openly in here. Show me where he broke the rules?

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2018, 10:57:39 PM »
The guy is a deceptive liar.

He comes to propogate his qadiani beliefs in a very sneaky manner. If he genuinely was here to discuss twelver then i’d welcome him.

But he is only aiming to sweeten people to his qadiani beliefs as is clear with his opening post & subsequent lies of his intentions.


muslim720

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2018, 12:46:52 AM »
The famous line from the Godfather series: you keep your friends close but you keep your enemies closer.  With Qadianis, etc, their arguments are constantly evolving.  Keeping one or two around would only give us an insight into their agenda.  I would not have banned him.

simplemuslim

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2018, 02:08:22 AM »
The guy is a deceptive liar.

He comes to propogate his qadiani beliefs in a very sneaky manner. If he genuinely was here to discuss twelver then i’d welcome him.

But he is only aiming to sweeten people to his qadiani beliefs as is clear with his opening post & subsequent lies of his intentions.

Brother, you need proof to back up your claim. He said he's converted to sunnism. Give him the benefit of the doubt? Can you read his heart?

Rationalist

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2018, 03:24:57 AM »
Brother, you need proof to back up your claim. He said he's converted to sunnism. Give him the benefit of the doubt? Can you read his heart?

His saying is a form of taqqiyah. One must declare Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claim of Prophethood to equal to Kufr. Otherwise you can't claim you are a Sunni

Rationalist

Re: Im Back (ZulFiqar)
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2018, 03:26:40 AM »
The famous line from the Godfather series: you keep your friends close but you keep your enemies closer.  With Qadianis, etc, their arguments are constantly evolving.  Keeping one or two around would only give us an insight into their agenda.  I would not have banned him.

What is the point of a Qadiani debating against a 12er. Qadianis are kaffir and they are welcome to point out how 12er are deviant?

 

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