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Off Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: AbdulKhader on January 26, 2018, 12:18:24 PM
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السلام عليكم
Hello I'm back (ZulFiqar). After some soul searching I decided to become completely Sunni and reject Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani altogether.
So please don't ban me like last time, this time I will stay on topic. You see I'm being honest about who I am, I could have easily hidden my identity but that's against my own principles. So please don't ban me again.
والسلام
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reject Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani altogether
Do you now believe that he was a kafir?
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Do you now believe that he was a kafir?
I refer judgment to God
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You are still promoting a pro qadiani website.
Do qadiani’s do taqiyya too?
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You are still promoting a pro qadiani website.
Do qadiani’s do taqiyya too?
It is not a Qadiani website Hasha Lillah!
It is my personal website and blog
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It has a section promoting & defending mirza ghulam ahmed.
So don’t lie about you’ve rejected him.
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I refer judgment to God
Political statement!
People say: "To doubt the kufr of Qadiani is kufr in itself."
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It has a section promoting & defending mirza ghulam ahmed.
So don’t lie about you’ve rejected him.
No that section is not defending him, rather, it is exposing those individuals who defended him or praised him. It is not my own opinion but only for reference. Basically much of my blog, especially the earlier posts, are meant for keeping references, only recently I began writing entries expressing my own beliefs and views.
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Political statement!
People say: "To doubt the kufr of Qadiani is kufr in itself."
Making Takfir is not a light matter. I avoid doing so unless absolutely manifest that someone is a kafir. Even if someone is a kafir but the matter is doubtful it is best to reserve judgment, because that is erring on the side of caution for which a person won't be held accountable. But making Takfir of someone who is in fact a Muslim is dangerous so better to avoid Takfir of something that is not clear cut or doubtful. It is said by scholars of Sunna that if there is a statement of which 99 possible meanings are Kufr but one possible interpretation (Ta'wil) of it is not kufr, even then benefit of the doubt should be given and Takfir not done.
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No that section is not defending him, rather, it is exposing those individuals who defended him or praised him. It is not my own opinion but only for reference. Basically much of my blog, especially the earlier posts, are meant for keeping references, only recently I began writing entries expressing my own beliefs and views.
Why are you lying for?
There is nothing in that section refuting mirza ghulam ahmed.
No where does it say you are exposing or refuting those who praised him or defended him.
You have plastered up quotes of people praising him without questioning or refuting them.
You also have a page dedicated to defending accusations against mirza ghulam ahmed on the same website.
You’re not deceiving anyone here.
Your lies & deceptions make it clear what your purpose here is.
Hope you get banned again.
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Making Takfir is not a light matter. I avoid doing so unless absolutely manifest that someone is a kafir. Even if someone is a kafir but the matter is doubtful it is best to reserve judgment, because that is erring on the side of caution for which a person won't be held accountable. But making Takfir of someone who is in fact a Muslim is dangerous so better to avoid Takfir of something that is not clear cut or doubtful. It is said by scholars of Sunna that if there is a statement of which 99 possible meanings are Kufr but one possible interpretation (Ta'wil) of it is not kufr, even then benefit of the doubt should be given and Takfir not done.
It is absolutely manifest that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and his followers are Kafir. And the scholars of Sunnah are unanimous on this. The Sahaba doing Jihad against Musaylimah Kazzab and other such kuffar is not enough as an example?
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I refer judgment to God
Wrong answer.
Banned.
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Praise be to Allah! He has made you realize that you were upon misguided path(qadiyanism) and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was an imposter.
May Allah keep you steadfast on the right and straight path. The path of Prophet(saws) and his companions, I.E. Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama'ah.
However, the forum has certain rules, you can't advertise your blog here which contains pro-qadiyanism stuff. And you should delete all the pro qadiyanism stuff from your blog, as it could become a means through which lay people could get misguided. That's an advice from my side .
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He needs to send lanat to Mirza Ghulaam Ahmed 1000x.
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Wrong answer.
Banned.
Why did you ban him for? It does not matter what he believes in as long as he does not promote his beliefs openly in here. Show me where he broke the rules?
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The guy is a deceptive liar.
He comes to propogate his qadiani beliefs in a very sneaky manner. If he genuinely was here to discuss twelver then i’d welcome him.
But he is only aiming to sweeten people to his qadiani beliefs as is clear with his opening post & subsequent lies of his intentions.
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The famous line from the Godfather series: you keep your friends close but you keep your enemies closer. With Qadianis, etc, their arguments are constantly evolving. Keeping one or two around would only give us an insight into their agenda. I would not have banned him.
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The guy is a deceptive liar.
He comes to propogate his qadiani beliefs in a very sneaky manner. If he genuinely was here to discuss twelver then i’d welcome him.
But he is only aiming to sweeten people to his qadiani beliefs as is clear with his opening post & subsequent lies of his intentions.
Brother, you need proof to back up your claim. He said he's converted to sunnism. Give him the benefit of the doubt? Can you read his heart?
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Brother, you need proof to back up your claim. He said he's converted to sunnism. Give him the benefit of the doubt? Can you read his heart?
His saying is a form of taqqiyah. One must declare Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claim of Prophethood to equal to Kufr. Otherwise you can't claim you are a Sunni
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The famous line from the Godfather series: you keep your friends close but you keep your enemies closer. With Qadianis, etc, their arguments are constantly evolving. Keeping one or two around would only give us an insight into their agenda. I would not have banned him.
What is the point of a Qadiani debating against a 12er. Qadianis are kaffir and they are welcome to point out how 12er are deviant?
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Brother, you need proof to back up your claim. He said he's converted to sunnism. Give him the benefit of the doubt? Can you read his heart?
If you looked carefully before posting you would see he was still advertising a website on his
on his signature which clearly defended & promoted mirza ghulam ahmed.
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If you looked carefully before posting you would see he was still advertising a website on his
on his signature which clearly defended & promoted mirza ghulam ahmed.
And he explained the reason for this. I just banning him was harsh as he didn't actually break any of the forum rules. Farid just got emotional and decided (without proof) to ban him.
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He lied.
He claimed the site exposed those who defended mirza ghulam. But it didn’t. Clearly it was a pro qadiani site.
Are you the same person?
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What is the point of a Qadiani debating against a 12er. Qadianis are kaffir and they are welcome to point out how 12er are deviant?
No but you can learn a lot about Qadiani tactics....or so I believe!
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No but you can learn a lot about Qadiani tactics....or so I believe!
We need some professionals in Urdu to take on the Qadiani problem. Also, they need to well versed on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's books. This is not the site for it. I agree with Farid.
In fact, if a Qadiani problem arises we should join forces with the 12ers against them.
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Are you the same person?
What do you think?