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Title: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: MuslimK on December 31, 2017, 01:22:51 AM

The Iranian protesters chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei" while taking down huge billboard with Khamenei's picture on it.

https://www.facebook.com/manototv/videos/10156001998980979/
Date: 30/12/2017
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: MuslimAnswers on December 31, 2017, 07:25:03 AM
^

All very interesting, but the International community would have to get involved to liquidate Khamenei and the IRGC, and it would probably take decades to have meaningful change.

Otherwise it will be "at best" like Egypt, where the protests seemed to have an effect yet the truth is that the establishment which had worked 50+ years to build its infrastructure is now more powerful than in Mubarak's time.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Hadrami on December 31, 2017, 12:20:28 PM
This is whats gonna happen if billions of dollars of people's money being used to support dictators & lapdogs overseas while most of his own people live in hardship. If the turban regimes collapsed, i doubt the new regime will be any better.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on December 31, 2017, 03:28:53 PM
The Iranian protesters chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei" while taking down huge billboard with Khamenei's picture on it.

https://www.facebook.com/manototv/videos/10156001998980979/
Date: 30/12/2017

So? Is it majority or minority or may be a few people who are chanting? It doesn't matter which country, you get this in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain as well with many others countries.

The question is, the Iranian regime, Khamenei, is this dictatorship? Is he actually a dictator? If yes then what about the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain etc? We are not talking about reality and facts here or on justice and fairness, just grabbing hold of what ever we can to make Shias look bad based on anti Shia mentality.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: MuslimK on December 31, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
It is taking place in several cities and spreading. The tyrant regime will try use more force to silence them - they have already killed some protestors.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: MuslimK on December 31, 2017, 05:37:48 PM
It is taking place in several cities and spreading. The tyrant regime will try to use more force to silence them - they have already killed some protestors.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on December 31, 2017, 06:53:23 PM
It's been happening in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain for some time but no comment from you? I wonder why.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: MuslimK on December 31, 2017, 08:23:47 PM
Yes, protests happen in Saudi and Bahrain as well. Right now it is happening in Iran and the people are taking down and burning the pictures of Khamenei in difference places. Let Shia and Sunni unite and pray for the downfall of this regime.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on December 31, 2017, 09:46:16 PM
Yes, protests happen in Saudi and Bahrain as well. Right now it is happening in Iran and the people are taking down and burning the pictures of Khamenei in difference places. Let Shia and Sunni unite and pray for the downfall of this regime.

😊 Did Shia and Suni unite and pray for the downfall of the regimes in Saudi and Bahrain? 😊 Probably they didn't pray hard enough or may be they didn’t pray at all.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Hadrami on January 01, 2018, 01:52:12 AM
everytime sunni called iran a dictatorship, its fans are upset and then mention saudi, bahrain etc as if we are fans of those kingdoms. They all are treacherous regimes. Funny how shia who always claim muslim leader cant be a dictator is being led by a dictator.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 01, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
everytime sunni called iran a dictatorship, its fans are upset and then mention saudi, bahrain etc as if we are fans of those kingdoms. They all are treacherous regimes. Funny how shia who always claim muslim leader cant be a dictator is being led by a dictator.

😊 We're not upset of you having a poke at Iran we're just surprised at you only having a poke at Iran. When we mention others then you get to only speak as if you have no choice. 😀

You definitely need to get a life and live it as well. There's more to life than chasing Shias and having a poke at Shiaism. Don't you ever get bored of this or has your life just become this? 😁
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Rationalist on January 01, 2018, 08:02:04 AM
I don't support Khamenei, and opposed many of his ruling. However, I will say that behind the scenes someone is upset that Iran, Syria and Russia pounded the fake representatives of Islam. Now, they are funding these protest to get revenge.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Rationalist on January 01, 2018, 08:06:52 AM
It's been happening in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain for some time but no comment from you? I wonder why.

Aside from MBS getting involved Yemen, I think he is doing a good job. Yemen really ruined it for him.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: MuslimAnswers on January 01, 2018, 10:42:55 AM
I don't support Khamenei, and opposed many of his ruling. However, I will say that behind the scenes someone is upset that Iran, Syria and Russia pounded the fake representatives of Islam. Now, they are funding these protest to get revenge.

That is a very far-off proposition. The alternative, that the common Iranian has not received wages for months, cannot proceed with his life and is now hopeless of change and is venting out his anger at this system, is much more likely.

Many of us here, even while writing against the Shia religion, have been involved with the Iranian government and their payment timelines, and there is a lot that we can relate to with the protesters, without need of involving Saudi Arabia or anybody else.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Hadrami on January 01, 2018, 09:49:35 PM
😊 We're not upset of you having a poke at Iran we're just surprised at you only having a poke at Iran. When we mention others then you get to only speak as if you have no choice. 😀

You definitely need to get a life and live it as well. There's more to life than chasing Shias and having a poke at Shiaism. Don't you ever get bored of this or has your life just become this? 😁
isnt it funny that khamenei lapdog like you who doesnt live in Iran always get defensive when the iranian themselves call their leader a dictator? I guess if its against khanenei or bashar then those protesters must be paid protesters eh? You WTF fans are such a deluded people.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Hani on January 02, 2018, 12:42:04 AM
Shia are raised since childhood to believe in conspiracies. Thats why their reading of history is corrupt, their brains are numb to critical analysis of modern day politics too. For them its sufficient to say zionists paid everyone off.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 02, 2018, 01:19:25 AM
Shia are raised since childhood to believe in conspiracies. Thats why their reading of history is corrupt, their brains are numb to critical analysis of modern day politics too. For them its sufficient to say zionists paid everyone off.

😊 This is exactly how we feel about you. 😁 You want to play it that way. Are you blind about the Saudi and how they are the biggest sponsors of terrorism.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Hani on January 02, 2018, 02:57:56 AM
😊 This is exactly how we feel about you. 😁 You want to play it that way. Are you blind about the Saudi and how they are the biggest sponsors of terrorism.

Nope, we regularly condemn them. Most Sunnies arent fond of Saudi. Did i mention you guys are delusional too?
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: wannabe on January 02, 2018, 09:31:31 AM
a good conspiracy is an unprovable one. if you can prove it, it means they've screwed up somewhere along the line.  8)
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 03, 2018, 12:03:06 AM
Nope, we regularly condemn them. Most Sunnies arent fond of Saudi. Did i mention you guys are delusional too?

DO YOU?  I don't see any thread contributed towards them. You always seem to bang on about Iran but when questioned and put on the spot then we get a tiny statement about the Saudis and their Gulf pals. 😀

And no, but you have mentioned your grudge against us which by the way can clearly be seen and detected. But if this is what keeps you alive and going then why not.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Rationalist on January 03, 2018, 01:25:56 AM
That is a very far-off proposition. The alternative, that the common Iranian has not received wages for months, cannot proceed with his life and is now hopeless of change and is venting out his anger at this system, is much more likely.

Many of us here, even while writing against the Shia religion, have been involved with the Iranian government and their payment timelines, and there is a lot that we can relate to with the protesters, without need of involving Saudi Arabia or anybody else.

Yes, Iran has its problems. However, the timing of all of this is strange.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: muslim720 on January 03, 2018, 07:55:01 PM
So? Is it majority or minority or may be a few people who are chanting? It doesn't matter which country, you get this in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain as well with many others countries.

The question is, the Iranian regime, Khamenei, is this dictatorship? Is he actually a dictator? If yes then what about the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain etc? We are not talking about reality and facts here or on justice and fairness, just grabbing hold of what ever we can to make Shias look bad based on anti Shia mentality.

Brother, why do Shias cannot go on a minute without the mention of "Saudi", "Yazeed", fulan and fulan!  You folks need to chill a bit, seriously.

Wallaahi, I am against this path of idiocy that the West has Iranians marching down on.  These protests serve no other purpose but to weaken the morale of Islamic ummah coming behind the reduction of yet another Islamic country to dust.  I pray that the Iranian government quells this mess and rises on top, like Syria, like Turkey.  You can wish for Saudi Arabia a more despicable and grotesque future than what befell Libya but I will not wish an ounce of it for any country, that last of it would be a Muslim country.

What bothers me is that when such protests happened in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere, Iranians were cheering; they even cited Imam Khomeini as a role-model to have taught the Muslim world how to revolt.  However, now that the chickens have come home to roost.........anyways, may Allah (swt) protect the innocents in Iran and its sovereignty.  I also pray that the Iranian government puts an end to this mess to deal a third blow to the Zionist plans, a hat-trick so to speak.  They failed in Syria, then Turkey and insha'Allah, Iran.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: GreatChineseFall on January 03, 2018, 09:01:00 PM
I just hope that in all that unrest the Hidden Imam doesn't get trampled or shot or something.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Khaled on January 04, 2018, 02:10:41 AM
It's been happening in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain for some time but no comment from you? I wonder why.

Like we told you ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO

http://forum.twelvershia.net/general-discussion/saudia-arabia-stands-against-shi'ite-rebels/msg5451/#msg5451

This is an anti-Twelver site, on our Facebooks and other social media and on Sunni sites we criticize Saudi, Bahrain, Egypt and the rest of them.  Here, since this is a specific type of website, we are going to be talking about specific things.

Let me make things simple for you, I think what Saudi did in Yemen and its support for Israel and Trump are just as evil, if not more evil than Iran did in Syria or its support for Bashar or Putin.  Both evil, both using Islam and sectarianism to create divisions in the Ummah for their gain.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Khaled on January 04, 2018, 02:11:59 AM
Yes, Iran has its problems. However, the timing of all of this is strange.

I'm with Rationalist on this one, this wouldn't be a big deal if this was done in a non-Muslim country.  But since it is Iran (one of the major enemies of the US and Trump) this was made into a bigger deal.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 04, 2018, 07:13:21 PM
I am no fan of Iran but......

.......Trumps an Idiot with a capital I, he put in charge as far as I am aware Michael D’Andrea from the CIA who helped to get obl and he is the basxxxx that came up with drone strikes on pak border.

In June trump made him in charge of Iran in the CIA and this has his fingerprints all over it.

Covert operations under the leadership of this orange orangutan, may Allah swt unite us Muslims.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: zaid_ibn_ali on January 04, 2018, 07:38:19 PM
Personally I couldn’t care for the Iranian government.
They have one agenda internationally & that is to spread their sect.
They have caused havoc pumping support to the shia militia deathsquads in Iraq, the houthi’s in Yemen, the Alawite/hezbollah suppression of the Syrian masses, etc.

They’ve never supported Palestine. Only used some groups there to accept shia madhab. Thankfully the shia sect hardly exist at all in Palestine.

InshAllah the shia clerical government of Iran falls & the ummah can better unite without this theocratic twelver dividing them via miliitary sectarian missionary activity.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2018, 12:13:12 PM
Brother, why do Shias cannot go on a minute without the mention of "Saudi", "Yazeed", fulan and fulan!  You folks need to chill a bit, seriously.

Wallaahi, I am against this path of idiocy that the West has Iranians marching down on.  These protests serve no other purpose but to weaken the morale of Islamic ummah coming behind the reduction of yet another Islamic country to dust.  I pray that the Iranian government quells this mess and rises on top, like Syria, like Turkey.  You can wish for Saudi Arabia a more despicable and grotesque future than what befell Libya but I will not wish an ounce of it for any country, that last of it would be a Muslim country.

What bothers me is that when such protests happened in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere, Iranians were cheering; they even cited Imam Khomeini as a role-model to have taught the Muslim world how to revolt.  However, now that the chickens have come home to roost.........anyways, may Allah (swt) protect the innocents in Iran and its sovereignty.  I also pray that the Iranian government puts an end to this mess to deal a third blow to the Zionist plans, a hat-trick so to speak.  They failed in Syria, then Turkey and insha'Allah, Iran.

😀 And what I've got to say to you is, why can't you go on a minute without having a poke at Iran on every available opportunity and excuse. For heavens sake get a life. There are other countries apart from Iran and there are other regimes apart from the Iranians.

This is where you've got yourself all mixed up. The Iranians didn't cheer on any Muslim country and its problems. In 1991 they didn't cooperate with the Americans against Sadam when they could have easily done so and put one over their arch enemy.

You really need to get your facts right.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 06, 2018, 01:15:13 PM
😀 And what I've got to say to you is, why can't you go on a minute without having a poke at Iran on every available opportunity and excuse. For heavens sake get a life. There are other countries apart from Iran and there are other regimes apart from the Iranians.

This is where you've got yourself all mixed up. The Iranians didn't cheer on any Muslim country and its problems. In 1991 they didn't cooperate with the Americans against Sadam when they could have easily done so and put one over their arch enemy.

You really need to get your facts right.

🤔

“Both the US and Iran will continue to clash over their respective relationships with Israel. Yet despite these differences both the US and Iran cooperated with each other to remove the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001. The joint cause against the Taliban in 2001, or ISIL in 2014, demonstrates that despite the decades-long mistrust and proxy conflicts between the two sides, geographical realpolitik can force both states to engage in alliances of convenience.“

Ermmmm what????? IRAN DIDNT COOPERATE!!?!?🤥🤥🤥

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/12/iran-not-so-unlikely-ally-20141285192862941.html


🤥
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: zaid_ibn_ali on January 06, 2018, 01:36:36 PM
US & Iran are not real enemies as they make out. They play games with their own people to make it out they hate the great satan & vice versa etc.

America has attacked so many countries but not even once launched not even a single drone strike on a shia target.
Likewise no shia has ever targeted or hit american interests.

Yes I think America does not like an Iran-Russia alliance but I wouldn’t go so far as to say they are real enemies.

Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2018, 02:28:04 PM
🤔

“Both the US and Iran will continue to clash over their respective relationships with Israel. Yet despite these differences both the US and Iran cooperated with each other to remove the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001. The joint cause against the Taliban in 2001, or ISIL in 2014, demonstrates that despite the decades-long mistrust and proxy conflicts between the two sides, geographical realpolitik can force both states to engage in alliances of convenience.“

Ermmmm what????? IRAN DIDNT COOPERATE!!?!?🤥🤥🤥

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/12/iran-not-so-unlikely-ally-20141285192862941.html


🤥

Keeping your differences and putting them aside to cooperate against a common enemy, a common threat isn't a crime. The Taliban was a threat to mankind and had to be dealt with just as ISIL. You should see sense and join in too.😊

Anyways what's wrong with cooperating? Does Saudi Arabia have any differences with America over Israel? 😊 Do Saudis even care about their Arab fellows (Palestinians)? 😊

You want to talk about relationship with the west then we all know the special relationship the Saudis have. How long are you going to play hide and seek?
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2018, 03:22:57 PM
US & Iran are not real enemies as they make out. They play games with their own people to make it out they hate the great satan & vice versa etc.

America has attacked so many countries but not even once launched not even a single drone strike on a shia target.
Likewise no shia has ever targeted or hit american interests.

Yes I think America does not like an Iran-Russia alliance but I wouldn’t go so far as to say they are real enemies.

Ok and thanks for the input. Now would you mind telling us about the special relationship between Saudi Arabia and the West? Or is this too painful for you? Excuse me? BUMP.....WALLOP!  I thought so.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 06, 2018, 03:40:09 PM
Keeping your differences and putting them aside to cooperate against a common enemy, a common threat isn't a crime. The Taliban was a threat to mankind and had to be dealt with just as ISIL. You should see sense and join in too.😊

Anyways what's wrong with cooperating? Does Saudi Arabia have any differences with America over Israel? 😊 Do Saudis even care about their Arab fellows (Palestinians)? 😊

You want to talk about relationship with the west then we all know the special relationship the Saudis have. How long are you going to play hide and seek?

Are you for real? Do you even READ what you post?

You said....”Iran didn’t cooperate with America”

I only posted the COOPERATION of the two........NOW it’s ok cos they had a common enemy?

Subhanallah it doesn’t take much for your lies to crumble.

👍
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: zaid_ibn_ali on January 06, 2018, 06:18:54 PM
Ok and thanks for the input. Now would you mind telling us about the special relationship between Saudi Arabia and the West? Or is this too painful for you? Excuse me? BUMP.....WALLOP!  I thought so.

America is their master.

Oh was you expecting me to defend the spineless saudi government?

Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 06, 2018, 09:44:24 PM
America is their master.

Oh was you expecting me to defend the spineless saudi government?

Oh no, not at all. I wouldn't even think of it. 😊 I was just expecting you to mention them (Saudis) rather than me bringing it to your attention. ☺
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: zaid_ibn_ali on January 07, 2018, 02:00:54 AM
Oh no, not at all. I wouldn't even think of it. 😊 I was just expecting you to mention them (Saudis) rather than me bringing it to your attention. ☺

The topic is regarding Iranians.

Also this is a forum discussing twelvers.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 07, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
The topic is regarding Iranians.

Also this is a forum discussing twelvers.

WHAT A LOVELY EXCUSE. 😂 Is it too painful to speak about other regimes and their behaviour? 😊 How long and far are you going to hide the hatred and grudge you have about Shias? 😊
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: zaid_ibn_ali on January 07, 2018, 01:07:45 PM
WHAT A LOVELY EXCUSE. 😂 Is it too painful to speak about other regimes and their behaviour? 😊 How long and far are you going to hide the hatred and grudge you have about Shias? 😊

People openly discuss their views on shia on here.

You clearly have comprehension issues. Its like asking someone to talk about BMW on a mercedes forum.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 07, 2018, 07:05:52 PM
People openly discuss their views on shia on here.

You clearly have comprehension issues. Its like asking someone to talk about BMW on a mercedes forum.

Exactly. So we're not talking about Iran as a country and its government as a regime and the issues and problems in general, we're just having a poke and dig at them because it happens to be a Shia country and government. Right? This is exactly what i'm trying to point out.

If you're on a Mercedes forum them by all means stick to Mercedes and what ever is connected and concerned. If you all of a sudden start talking about car parts then BMW comes in to that category as well along with Volkswagen and many others. Do you have an issue with Iran concerning how it is governed etc or just concerned since the authorities are Shia? :)

Iranians chant "death to dictator, death to Khamenei". Some Iranians not all. Just a handful of protesters not the entire nation or even majority. You have that in every country. Even people rejected and opposed the decision made in Saqifa and refused allegiance to Abu bakr. So does this also make Abu Bakr a dictator?
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Hadrami on January 08, 2018, 06:20:23 AM
even if there was a civil war in iran and the country is destrying itself from within, one thing i am sure 1000%, that hidden one wont do a thing nor will he care.

But then again, he doesnt exist 😁
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: muslim720 on January 08, 2018, 10:09:41 AM
😀 And what I've got to say to you is, why can't you go on a minute without having a poke at Iran on every available opportunity and excuse.

Really?  I prayed for the well-being of Iran and you interpreted that as "having a poke at Iran".  Clearly you have a skewed perception.

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For heavens sake get a life. There are other countries apart from Iran and there are other regimes apart from the Iranians.

I did not even disrespect the Iranian government by referring to it as the Iranian "regime".

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This is where you've got yourself all mixed up. The Iranians didn't cheer on any Muslim country and its problems.

Really?  Here are few excerpts from one of the many sources:

"Even as the Arab Spring blossoms, the Islamic Republic of Iran seems to have dexterously repressed the democratic aspirations of its people.  The Iranian leadership has gone so far as to tout the recent developments in the Arab world as a victory for the Islamic Revolution of 1979, with Egypt and Tunisia walking in Iran's proverbial footsteps."

"Another issue that also continued to rear its head during the course of these momentous events has been the near hysteria surrounding the possibility of a Khomeini-style revolution in either Egypt or Tunisia.  In both cases the comparisons are clumsy and have been repudiated "Islamist" or arguably, following Asef Bayat, "post-Islamist" protagonists in both countries.  Tunisia's Rachid Ghannouchi, the once-exiled leader of the Renaissance Party, explicitly rejected the Khomeinist paradigm and stated he had no intention of running for the presidency.  Similarly, after Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, claimed that the protests witnessed in Cairo and elsewhere bespoke a desire for an Islamic state inspired by the Iranian model, he was firmly rebuffed by the Muslim Brotherhood, who stated that what was taking place in Egypt was not an Islamic revolution, but a revolution made by the Egyptian people."

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2011/06/iran-and-the-arab-spring.html

I am appalled that you deny contemporary history and have the nerve to accuse me of having it all mixed up.

Here is one more:

" 'The enemies try to say that the popular movements in Egypt, Tunisia, and other nations are un-Islamic, but certainly these popular movements are Islamic and must be consolidated,' Khamenei told a gathering of Shi'ite and Sunni scholars at an international conference in Islam on February 20."

https://www.rferl.org/a/khamenei_backs_arab_revolt/2316073.html

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In 1991 they didn't cooperate with the Americans against Sadam when they could have easily done so and put one over their arch enemy.

Forget 1991, Iran cooperated with USA in 2001 against the Taliban and then in 2003 against Saddam.  And when you were informed of the Iranian cooperation with the US, you had the audacity to state the following, "Anyways what's wrong with cooperating?"  Fine, then what is wrong with Saudi cooperating with the US?  Unfortunately, you thought we are Saudi sympathizers here; we are not.  I despise the Saudi government.

By the way, thank you for proving me right AGAIN.  Immediately after you stated that there is nothing wrong with Iran cooperating with the US, you made mention of Saudi Arabia with the following question: Does Saudi Arabia have any differences with America over Israel?

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You really need to get your facts right.

I mean....you're beyond ridiculous.
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2018, 04:44:15 AM
Really?  I prayed for the well-being of Iran and you interpreted that as "having a poke at Iran".  Clearly you have a skewed perception.

I did not even disrespect the Iranian government by referring to it as the Iranian "regime".

Really?  Here are few excerpts from one of the many sources:

"Even as the Arab Spring blossoms, the Islamic Republic of Iran seems to have dexterously repressed the democratic aspirations of its people.  The Iranian leadership has gone so far as to tout the recent developments in the Arab world as a victory for the Islamic Revolution of 1979, with Egypt and Tunisia walking in Iran's proverbial footsteps."

"Another issue that also continued to rear its head during the course of these momentous events has been the near hysteria surrounding the possibility of a Khomeini-style revolution in either Egypt or Tunisia.  In both cases the comparisons are clumsy and have been repudiated "Islamist" or arguably, following Asef Bayat, "post-Islamist" protagonists in both countries.  Tunisia's Rachid Ghannouchi, the once-exiled leader of the Renaissance Party, explicitly rejected the Khomeinist paradigm and stated he had no intention of running for the presidency.  Similarly, after Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, claimed that the protests witnessed in Cairo and elsewhere bespoke a desire for an Islamic state inspired by the Iranian model, he was firmly rebuffed by the Muslim Brotherhood, who stated that what was taking place in Egypt was not an Islamic revolution, but a revolution made by the Egyptian people."

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2011/06/iran-and-the-arab-spring.html

I am appalled that you deny contemporary history and have the nerve to accuse me of having it all mixed up.

Here is one more:

" 'The enemies try to say that the popular movements in Egypt, Tunisia, and other nations are un-Islamic, but certainly these popular movements are Islamic and must be consolidated,' Khamenei told a gathering of Shi'ite and Sunni scholars at an international conference in Islam on February 20."

https://www.rferl.org/a/khamenei_backs_arab_revolt/2316073.html

Forget 1991, Iran cooperated with USA in 2001 against the Taliban and then in 2003 against Saddam.  And when you were informed of the Iranian cooperation with the US, you had the audacity to state the following, "Anyways what's wrong with cooperating?"  Fine, then what is wrong with Saudi cooperating with the US?  Unfortunately, you thought we are Saudi sympathizers here; we are not.  I despise the Saudi government.

By the way, thank you for proving me right AGAIN.  Immediately after you stated that there is nothing wrong with Iran cooperating with the US, you made mention of Saudi Arabia with the following question: Does Saudi Arabia have any differences with America over Israel?

I mean....you're beyond ridiculous.

You prayed for the well being of Iran, come on, really. I've never heard a positive and decent word come out of you for Shias.

You really need to get your facts right about Iran. It's the only country that has spoken out continuously for the Palestinians and in condemnation of Israel and they (Iranians) aren't even Arabs. What has the Arab (Suni) stance been over the Palestine issue?😀

Why not a word on this site about Burma? Does Islam and the Muslims not matter to you? Have you sworn allegiance to Shia bashing?

Is there any discussion here that doesn't involve the Shias? Or is there anything positive and right about the Shias 😂

Forget about 1991, WHY?
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Africanshia1 on January 12, 2018, 01:23:13 AM
You prayed for the well being of Iran, come on, really. I've never heard a positive and decent word come out of you for Shias.

You really need to get your facts right about Iran. It's the only country that has spoken out continuously for the Palestinians and in condemnation of Israel and they (Iranians) aren't even Arabs. What has the Arab (Suni) stance been over the Palestine issue?😀

Why not a word on this site about Burma? Does Islam and the Muslims not matter to you? Have you sworn allegiance to Shia bashing?

Is there any discussion here that doesn't involve the Shias? Or is there anything positive and right about the Shias 😂

Forget about 1991, WHY?
I can proudly say that the Iranian regime is just full of lip service, they organize their followers every Friday and chant their rubbish. Iran as never confronted Israel and in fact they sought help from the Israelis during the war with Iraaq. This is an undeniable fact!
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Hani on January 12, 2018, 01:54:27 AM
I can proudly say that the Iranian regime is just full of lip service, they organize their followers every Friday and chant their rubbish. Iran as never confronted Israel and in fact they sought help from the Israelis during the war with Iraaq. This is an undeniable fact!

Seeing a Shia be anti-Iran is quite rare, how come? Why do you think most Shia are pro-Iran?
Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 12, 2018, 10:32:58 AM
Oh no no no no no.........Iran is a divine nation it cannot do WRONG.....how can shia do wrong? 😜
(A Shiite frame of mind)........until....FACTS hit them HARD and FAST......

........According to Trita Parsi, President of the National Iranian-American Council, Israeli SUPPORT for Iran consisted of several elements:

Arms sales to Iran that totaled an estimated $500 million from 1981 to 1983 according to the Jafe Institute for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University. Most of it was paid for by Iranian oil delivered to Israel.[2]:107 "According to Ahmad Haidari, "an Iranian arms dealer working for the Khomeini regime, roughly 80% of the weaponry bought by Tehran" immediately after the onset of the war originated in Israel.[2]:106
Arms shipments from the U.S. to Iran in the Iran-Contra Affair facilitated by Israel.
Israel's June 7, 1981 attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor which set back Iraq's nuclear program. In fact, Iran bombed them first, back in 1980, but they only damaged secondary buildings.

Israel is also reported to have supplied instructors and non-armaments help to Iran for the war effort.

Forget COOPERATION, the damned regime was also SUPPORTED by Israel.

Why do Shias have short memories??


Title: Re: Iranians chant: "Death to Dictator, Death to Khamenei"
Post by: muslim720 on January 13, 2018, 02:26:24 AM
You prayed for the well being of Iran, come on, really.

You being unable to read (without inserting your own meanings) is not my problem.  However, you should seek professional help for it.

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I've never heard a positive and decent word come out of you for Shias.

You do not know me, that's why!  The Shias that know me, with whom I associate, would say the exact opposite.

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You really need to get your facts right about Iran. It's the only country that has spoken out continuously for the Palestinians and in condemnation of Israel and they (Iranians) aren't even Arabs.

When did I deny this?

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What has the Arab (Suni) stance been over the Palestine issue?😀

Unless you deny history, you can agree that the Arab stance has been more than just speaking out, given the numerous wars they have waged against Israel.

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Why not a word on this site about Burma? Does Islam and the Muslims not matter to you? Have you sworn allegiance to Shia bashing?

Without commenting on your intelligence and giving you too much of a background, you can agree that this site is built to refute Shia beliefs.  My interest is in refuting Shia beliefs when they are aimed at belittling our beliefs which is nothing but the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw).  And I adopted this stance when I first approached a Shia neighbor to find out his beliefs (the 4 books of hadiths, etc).  Instead he spent the entire time bashing Sahaba (ra).  Although I knew nothing about Shias or even about the first three Caliphs (ra), less than a week later, I was able to refute all of his lies to his face, thanks to a website which can be seen as the predecessor to this one.

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Is there any discussion here that doesn't involve the Shias? Or is there anything positive and right about the Shias 😂

See above (for the first part of your question).  As for the second part, I believe that no Sunni is superior to Shia or vice-versa except by his or her faith and deeds.  I can introduce you to Shias I know that I consider to be better Muslims than me.  Might be hard for you to believe that I am saying this but Alhamdulilah, I was not raised upon blind hatred engraved me by years of passion-story telling, reenactments of battles, etc.

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Forget about 1991, WHY?

Seeing that you have a poor grasp on history, I pointed to 2001 and 2003 because they're contemporary history.  I was hoping you would not deny what happened in 2001 and 2003 because it must have happened in your lifetime, unless you're a child.