Question for Shias

[Layla]

I just love how you people come up with such stories. And they always come from people like you. And these stories and tales always seem to be negative. What a coincidence hey.

I didn’t make up any story. If I ask you how your day was you would still say that I am being anti Shia.

[iceman]

I’m not “toying around”. One of the reasons I asked these questions was because several Shias told me they had some unusual things happen to them after doing matam and gem stones affect them.

Oh they decided to tell you and not members of their own community. That's strange. If you've experienced something are you going to tell people of the opposite belief and Sect or your own kind?  You really sound desperate to score.

[iceman]

I didn’t make up any story. If I ask you how your day was you would still say that I am being anti Shia.

Now that is an exaggeration. All I'm pointing out is that how come it's always 100% negativity about the Shias from your side. Give me one thing positive. Or is there nothing positive about us.

[Layla]

Now that is an exaggeration.

Well maybe if you didn’t act like a victim all the time I wouldn’t have said that. I asked simple questions that are in no way anti Shi’a yet you still complain.

[Layla]

Oh they decided to tell you and not members of their own community. That's strange. If you've experienced something are you going to tell people of the opposite belief and Sect or your own kind?  You really sound desperate to score.

They told me because they wanted to. I would tell someone who I trust and if I know that they can help me.
This is not some game that I’m trying to “score”.

[iceman]

Well maybe if you didn’t act like a victim all the time I wouldn’t have said that. I asked simple questions that are in no way anti Shi’a yet you still complain.

Either I act like a victim or I'm a victim of a witch hunt. This is a fair comment. Why don't you make a fair comment rather than seeing and putting me in the wrong all the time and every time. Yes you ask simple questions which seem to be NEGATIVE all the time and evertime. Nothing positive ever. Would you call this COINCIDENCE?

[iceman]

After doing matam or crying for Ahlul Bayt do you guys feel depressed or feel like being watched? Do the gem stones you wear help you in anyway?

"After doing matam or crying for Ahlul Bayt do you guys feel depressed or feel like being watched?"

We neither feel depressed nor do we feel like being watched. Hope this answers the question.

"Do the gem stones you wear help you in anyway?"

I don't wear any gem stones. But those who do include Muhammad s.a.w as well. He used to wear a gem stone called 'Aqeeq'. Hope this answers the question.

[muslim720]

Yeh. Just because you said it then it must be a stupid comment. Well you're the judge and it's your house. You're the host and I'm the guest.

If you weren't such a pretentious, self-righteous turd, maybe we would have gotten along with you.  Judge?  House?  Host?  Whatever it is that you are smoking, shooting up or ingesting, you need to get off it.

Ufff the amount of negativity you get about the Shias. Everything that is asked and said is just to try and paint a terrible picture about Shias.

I paint nothing; I report what I see and experience.  You cannot take one thing away from me and that is the fact that I have been to more Shi'i mosques more times than you have been to Sunni mosques.  Therefore, my criticism of Shi'i theology stems not from what I read online but what I see and hear at these mosques.

In a nutshell, my family did not raise me religious so I did not know anything outside the five pillars, let alone sectarian differences.  I used to think that Shias preferred Imam Ali (ra) over whoever (didn't even know the first Caliph) and we, "the evil Sunnis", push them away from the main body of Muslims.  I honestly used to believe that we (Sunnis) wrongfully discriminate against the Shias. 

Fast-forward to year 2011 and I found out that the swamp of Shi'i complaints is a lot deeper and far more rancid than I had ever imagined.  It is not that Shias prefer Imam Ali (ra); it is Allah (swt) who ordained it as such (per Shias) and anyone opposing this belief is a kafir.

In conclusion, please stop playing the victim card. 

[iceman]

If you weren't such a pretentious, self-righteous turd, maybe we would have gotten along with you.  Judge?  House?  Host?  Whatever it is that you are smoking, shooting up or ingesting, you need to get off it.

I paint nothing; I report what I see and experience.  You cannot take one thing away from me and that is the fact that I have been to more Shi'i mosques more times than you have been to Sunni mosques.  Therefore, my criticism of Shi'i theology stems not from what I read online but what I see and hear at these mosques.

In a nutshell, my family did not raise me religious so I did not know anything outside the five pillars, let alone sectarian differences.  I used to think that Shias preferred Imam Ali (ra) over whoever (didn't even know the first Caliph) and we, "the evil Sunnis", push them away from the main body of Muslims.  I honestly used to believe that we (Sunnis) wrongfully discriminate against the Shias. 

Fast-forward to year 2011 and I found out that the swamp of Shi'i complaints is a lot deeper and far more rancid than I had ever imagined.  It is not that Shias prefer Imam Ali (ra); it is Allah (swt) who ordained it as such (per Shias) and anyone opposing this belief is a kafir.

In conclusion, please stop playing the victim card.

"If you weren't such a pretentious, self-righteous turd,"

I am not. What you've said and normally say is what we call 'BAKWAS' meaning nonsense. That's all that seems to come out of you. You have a very loose tongue, get a grip on it.

"maybe we would have gotten along with you."

There is no chance of that happening because I'm a Shia and you hate Shias full stop.

"Whatever it is that you are smoking, shooting up or ingesting, you need to get off it."

I'm not on anything so the question of getting off doesn't apply. I'm just putting up with absolute nonsense from an anti Shia who has an extremely loose tongue and terrible Ikhlaq.

"I have been to more Shi'i mosques more times than you have been to Sunni mosques"

If that was the case then you would most definitely been a Shia by now. But that's not the case. The way you talk and speak and how you see and behave is from an extremist. Is from someone who speaks from grudge.

[iceman]

If you weren't such a pretentious, self-righteous turd, maybe we would have gotten along with you.  Judge?  House?  Host?  Whatever it is that you are smoking, shooting up or ingesting, you need to get off it.

I paint nothing; I report what I see and experience.  You cannot take one thing away from me and that is the fact that I have been to more Shi'i mosques more times than you have been to Sunni mosques.  Therefore, my criticism of Shi'i theology stems not from what I read online but what I see and hear at these mosques.

In a nutshell, my family did not raise me religious so I did not know anything outside the five pillars, let alone sectarian differences.  I used to think that Shias preferred Imam Ali (ra) over whoever (didn't even know the first Caliph) and we, "the evil Sunnis", push them away from the main body of Muslims.  I honestly used to believe that we (Sunnis) wrongfully discriminate against the Shias. 

Fast-forward to year 2011 and I found out that the swamp of Shi'i complaints is a lot deeper and far more rancid than I had ever imagined.  It is not that Shias prefer Imam Ali (ra); it is Allah (swt) who ordained it as such (per Shias) and anyone opposing this belief is a kafir.

In conclusion, please stop playing the victim card.

"I report what I see and experience"

You only report on grudge and hatred. What you report is absolutely the opposite of what is seen and experienced.

"You cannot take one thing away from me"

You speak based on arrogance and not intellect.

"Therefore, my criticism of Shi'i theology stems not from what I read online but what I see and hear at these mosques"

Your crticisism is only on what you've been told and fed based on gossip and rumours. Because where there is criticism there is also praise. This is just and fair.  All you come out is with absolute negativity and one sided statements.

I don't play any card. Shias are and have been victims from day one along with the Ahle Baith. Read history but with both eyes open. You speak with absolute bitterness and envy with complete hatred. And that isn't based on experience at all. You LEARN from experience not HATE.

[muslim720]

I am not. What you've said and normally say is what we call 'BAKWAS' meaning nonsense. That's all that seems to come out of you. You have a very loose tongue, get a grip on it.

I know what "bakwaas" means....thank you very much!

There is no chance of that happening because I'm a Shia and you hate Shias full stop.

An idiotic argument whose conclusion rests on two premises one of which you can never prove.  Knowing how dumb you are, I will let you figure out what I said (on your own).  You will never be able to do so and hence, I will have nothing to respond to.

I'm not on anything so the question of getting off doesn't apply. I'm just putting up with absolute nonsense from an anti Shia who has an extremely loose tongue and terrible Ikhlaq.

There is "akhlaq" and then there is "ikhlas".  What is "ikhlaq"?

If that was the case then you would most definitely been a Shia by now. But that's not the case. The way you talk and speak and how you see and behave is from an extremist. Is from someone who speaks from grudge.

Wallaahi, if every Muslim were to read the Qur'an (without outside, unjustified inferences) and then visit Shi'i mosques (even the most moderate ones), he or she would be convinced that Ithna Asharis do not follow orthodox Islam.

From the beginning, I considered Shias to be victims and Sunnis to be on the offensive.  The reason why I got into Shia-Sunni polemics was to reach out to Shias and to show them that we are equal in Islam.  Instead, they turned around to tell me how I have been extremely misguided (kafir according to their theological books) all along.

You speak based on arrogance and not intellect.

I am arrogant and yet you are the one to say, "You only report on grudge and hatred. What you report is absolutely the opposite of what is seen and experienced."

Like the 12th Imam, you have powers to see into my personal affairs and make absolute claims.  Arrogance much?

I don't play any card. Shias are and have been victims from day one along with the Ahle Baith.

Well, boo hoo!!!!

Read history but with both eyes open.

History has no bearing on my faith.  Islamic sources do!

You speak with absolute bitterness and envy with complete hatred. And that isn't based on experience at all. You LEARN from experience not HATE.

I only learned through experience and all you are left with is to accuse me of lying.  I do not care whether you believe me or not!  I am satisfied knowing I am not upon misguidance.  I gave both sides a fair chance and under the pretext of standing by Ahlul Bayt (ra), the Ithna Ashari package comes with a range of anti-Islamic beliefs and practices.

I would even go as far as saying this: a misguided Sunni, who observes the five pillars without knowing a single thing about Ahlul Bayt (ra) and Sahaba (ra), is a much better Muslim than the extremely-practicing fervent Shi'i.  The former keeps the basics of Islam; the latter goes to extreme misguidance in the name of Ahlul Bayt (ra).

[Mythbuster1]

"I report what I see and experience"

You only report on grudge and hatred. What you report is absolutely the opposite of what is seen and experienced.

"You cannot take one thing away from me"

You speak based on arrogance and not intellect.

"Therefore, my criticism of Shi'i theology stems not from what I read online but what I see and hear at these mosques"

Your crticisism is only on what you've been told and fed based on gossip and rumours. Because where there is criticism there is also praise. This is just and fair.  All you come out is with absolute negativity and one sided statements.

I don't play any card. Shias are and have been victims from day one along with the Ahle Baith. Read history but with both eyes open. You speak with absolute bitterness and envy with complete hatred. And that isn't based on experience at all. You LEARN from experience not HATE.

Do you even NOTE, READ, NOTICE........that the brother has been to Shiite animal farms and LEARNT from first hand.

The rest is all drivel and accusations posted by you because you cannot answer back in the same way cos you have zero experience with Sunnis apart from ONLINE😂😂😂😂

It’s that simple😉

Your butt hurt with no credible answers......it’s that simple 😉👍

[iceman]

Do you even NOTE, READ, NOTICE........that the brother has been to Shiite animal farms and LEARNT from first hand.

The rest is all drivel and accusations posted by you because you cannot answer back in the same way cos you have zero experience with Sunnis apart from ONLINE😂😂😂😂

It’s that simple😉

Your butt hurt with no credible answers......it’s that simple 😉👍

Ok, so which farm is he and you from then? And what breed of animals are you 😊👍If my butt hurts then why is he jumping up and down 😊👍

[iceman]

I know what "bakwaas" means....thank you very much!

An idiotic argument whose conclusion rests on two premises one of which you can never prove.  Knowing how dumb you are, I will let you figure out what I said (on your own).  You will never be able to do so and hence, I will have nothing to respond to.

There is "akhlaq" and then there is "ikhlas".  What is "ikhlaq"?

Wallaahi, if every Muslim were to read the Qur'an (without outside, unjustified inferences) and then visit Shi'i mosques (even the most moderate ones), he or she would be convinced that Ithna Asharis do not follow orthodox Islam.

From the beginning, I considered Shias to be victims and Sunnis to be on the offensive.  The reason why I got into Shia-Sunni polemics was to reach out to Shias and to show them that we are equal in Islam.  Instead, they turned around to tell me how I have been extremely misguided (kafir according to their theological books) all along.

I am arrogant and yet you are the one to say, "You only report on grudge and hatred. What you report is absolutely the opposite of what is seen and experienced."

Like the 12th Imam, you have powers to see into my personal affairs and make absolute claims.  Arrogance much?

Well, boo hoo!!!!

History has no bearing on my faith.  Islamic sources do!

I only learned through experience and all you are left with is to accuse me of lying.  I do not care whether you believe me or not!  I am satisfied knowing I am not upon misguidance.  I gave both sides a fair chance and under the pretext of standing by Ahlul Bayt (ra), the Ithna Ashari package comes with a range of anti-Islamic beliefs and practices.

I would even go as far as saying this: a misguided Sunni, who observes the five pillars without knowing a single thing about Ahlul Bayt (ra) and Sahaba (ra), is a much better Muslim than the extremely-practicing fervent Shi'i.  The former keeps the basics of Islam; the latter goes to extreme misguidance in the name of Ahlul Bayt (ra).

"I know what "bakwaas" means....thank you very much!"

Well if you do then I wonder when you are going to get a grip on that filthy tongue of yours. Or do you have no control over it.

"An idiotic argument whose conclusion rests on two premises"

Then stop brining up idiotic arguments and start making some sense rather than silly tales just to gain weight.

"one of which you can never prove"

What's the point of the discussion if you've already made up your mind to begin with? I told you that you've got a mindset. You speak with grudge and certainly not from any kind of experience what so ever.

"Knowing how dumb you are"

It takes one to know one 😊


You said, "I will let you figure out what I said (on your own)" Then you say, "You will never be able to do so"

See the contradiction. This is what you are, nothing but all talk. You're just a immature guy, with a loose temper and a big mouth.

"Wallaahi, if every Muslim were to read the Qur'an (without outside, unjustified inferences) and then visit Shi'i mosques (even the most moderate ones), he or she would be convinced that Ithna Asharis do not follow orthodox Islam"

I just wonder what the hell you've experienced and found out about us that the rest of us and the Ahle Sunnah have missed out completely.

"the Ithna Ashari package comes with a range of anti-Islamic beliefs and practices"

And your package comes with double standards, elements of hypocrisy, twisting and changing of Principles to suit your belief and desire.

[Mythbuster1]

Ok, so which farm is he and you from then? And what breed of animals are you 😊👍If my butt hurts then why is he jumping up and down 😊👍

Lol your reply back is enough that ........YOU ARE BUTT HURT😜👍

[iceman]

Lol your reply back is enough that ........YOU ARE BUTT HURT😜👍

And I wonder why you sound as though you're  aching 😀😀😀

[muslim720]

Do you even NOTE, READ, NOTICE........that the brother has been to Shiite animal farms and LEARNT from first hand.

Bro, that is a bit too much!  If anything, I thank them for my experiences.  No one repelled me from Shiaism as much as Shias did (and still do).  And, as I have stated before, I consider them Muslim and I always maintain that no Shia is greater than Sunni and vice-versa except by his or her faith and good deeds.

[muslim720]

Well if you do then I wonder when you are going to get a grip on that filthy tongue of yours. Or do you have no control over it.

You keep referring to me as ill-mannered and having a filthy tongue.  For what I regretfully said about you a few months ago, I am trying to take all your shots as reparation for that damage.  However, you are pushing your luck now.

Then stop brining up idiotic arguments and start making some sense rather than silly tales just to gain weight.

These are not tales, idiot!  You have depictions of Imams (ra) in your masaajid.  I can bring you those pictures along with the masjid name and address (for you to verify). 

At every Shi'i mosque during every Muharram, they say Fatima (ra) is here to bless the gathering.  Well, there are about 3 to 5 Shi'i mosques (that I know of) in the Washington Metropolitan Area.  They all claim the same (that Fatima salaamullah-alayha is blessing those in attendance).  Now you tell me how is Fatima (ra) omnipresent?  Don't get mad at me if your beliefs rival Allah's (swt) attributes and your helplessness to account for them drives me away from them.

You speak with grudge and certainly not from any kind of experience what so ever.

My next post, in-sha-Allah, will prove you wrong.  I never intended to broadcast it but I have this clip from a Shi'i mosque in which children are taking part in a passion-story play, recreating the scenes of Karbala.  I will upload them and you can watch the ridiculousness.

It takes one to know one 😊

One more emoticon; the 12-year old girl theory, lol!

See the contradiction. This is what you are, nothing but all talk. You're just a immature guy, with a loose temper and a big mouth.

There is no contradiction except it proves your stupidity.  To say that I will let you figure it out is not to say that you will be able to.  Your response actually proves that my comment twisted your mind more than I had anticipated.

I just wonder what the hell you've experienced and found out about us that the rest of us and the Ahle Sunnah have missed out completely.

Trust me, more of us are finding the truth now.  We got on the dawah path late; we were busy giving dawah to Jews, Christians, Hindus, atheists, etc.  However, with truth on our side, better late than never.  And your debaters are finding that planet Earth is too small for them to hide in.

And your package comes with double standards, elements of hypocrisy, twisting and changing of Principles to suit your belief and desire.

You cannot prove any of it.  I, on the other hand, can prove everything I have said from your books and my own personal experiences.

[iceman]

You keep referring to me as ill-mannered and having a filthy tongue.  For what I regretfully said about you a few months ago, I am trying to take all your shots as reparation for that damage.  However, you are pushing your luck now.

These are not tales, idiot!  You have depictions of Imams (ra) in your masaajid.  I can bring you those pictures along with the masjid name and address (for you to verify). 

At every Shi'i mosque during every Muharram, they say Fatima (ra) is here to bless the gathering.  Well, there are about 3 to 5 Shi'i mosques (that I know of) in the Washington Metropolitan Area.  They all claim the same (that Fatima salaamullah-alayha is blessing those in attendance).  Now you tell me how is Fatima (ra) omnipresent?  Don't get mad at me if your beliefs rival Allah's (swt) attributes and your helplessness to account for them drives me away from them.

My next post, in-sha-Allah, will prove you wrong.  I never intended to broadcast it but I have this clip from a Shi'i mosque in which children are taking part in a passion-story play, recreating the scenes of Karbala.  I will upload them and you can watch the ridiculousness.

One more emoticon; the 12-year old girl theory, lol!

There is no contradiction except it proves your stupidity.  To say that I will let you figure it out is not to say that you will be able to.  Your response actually proves that my comment twisted your mind more than I had anticipated.

Trust me, more of us are finding the truth now.  We got on the dawah path late; we were busy giving dawah to Jews, Christians, Hindus, atheists, etc.  However, with truth on our side, better late than never.  And your debaters are finding that planet Earth is too small for them to hide in.

You cannot prove any of it.  I, on the other hand, can prove everything I have said from your books and my own personal experiences.

The past is the past. You said something which you shouldn't have but you apologised for it. As far as I'm concerned that's done with. I'm not referring to that but how you're coming across constantly. Allow me to gather and point it out.

Here's a fresh one from your post #37,  "These are not tales, idiot!"

Post #30, "Knowing how dumb you are,"

[iceman]

Muslim 720,

post #27,

"If you weren't such a pretentious, self-righteous turd,"

Post #30,

"Knowing how dumb you are,"

Post #37

"These are not tales, idiot!"

The above are just from this newly started thread only.