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Title: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 08, 2020, 03:13:26 AM
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Iran has fired more than a dozen rockets at Iraq's Ain al-Assad military base, which houses US troops, Iranian sources told Al Jazeera.

"We have had not had any reports of casualties or damage," Al Jazeera's Osama bin Javaid said, reporting from Baghdad.

The rocket attack comes less than a week after the US killing of Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani in Iraq.

Iran had vowed severe retaliation.

More soon ...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/rockets-fired-iraq-base-housing-troops-reports-200107232445101.html
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 08, 2020, 12:53:31 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/rockets-fired-iraq-base-housing-troops-reports-200107232445101.html

Well what do you and the world expect. They have every right has a country and a sovereign state to protect and defend themselves, their country, economy, people and interests and affairs home and abroad, just exactly like any other country and nation.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 08, 2020, 02:21:11 PM
Well what do you and the world expect. They have every right has a country and a sovereign state to protect and defend themselves, their country, economy, people and interests and affairs home and abroad, just exactly like any other country and nation.

Relax you fan boy. All I did was post a news story.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 08, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
So it seems noone was killed and some missles even landed several kilometres away from their target. This is a great trade for the US if it chooses not to respond - Iran's top general killed and in return some damage to their base with 0 americans dead. The ayotollah fanboys will milk this like a prized cow but in reality Iran has really got the short end here.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 08, 2020, 03:17:40 PM
So it seems noone was killed and some missles even landed several kilometres away from their target. This is a great trade for the US if it chooses not to respond - Iran's top general killed and in return some damage to their base with 0 americans dead. The ayotollah fanboys will milk this like a prized cow but in reality Iran has really got the short end here.

IRAN

“It was a slap in the face for Americans”

😂😂😂😂😂

HONESTLY what a nation! 😂
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 08, 2020, 04:13:27 PM
Relax you fan boy. All I did was post a news story.

Relax Shia hate monger and an individual who can't see and say anything positive and useful about the Shias. Was only putting my opinion forward. So calm down with the Anti Shia and hate fever.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 08, 2020, 04:16:51 PM
IRAN

“It was a slap in the face for Americans”

😂😂😂😂😂

HONESTLY what a nation! 😂

Nothing is surprising or alarming from hate mongers of a particular nation (Iran) community (Shia) and faith (Shiaism). What, over thirty rockets were fired and there was no casualties? 😀 Well down played by the west.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 08, 2020, 04:28:37 PM
Nothing is surprising or alarming from hate mongers of a particular nation (Iran) community (Shia) and faith (Shiaism). What, over thirty rockets were fired and there was no casualties? 😀 Well down played by the west.

Nothing is surprising or alarming from the liars who love a particular nation (Iran) community (shia) faith (shiism).
It wasn’t 30 rockets (lying again) oh the exaggeration LOL😜
Anyway rockets fired and Trump made a tweet and went to sleep😂

Iran can’t sleep it doesn’t know what to do😂
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 08, 2020, 04:36:15 PM
😂😂

Iran will have known that the troops are normally asleep in the early hours of the morning. Choosing to attack then likely minimized the number of personnel roaming around the base who could be killed or injured.

It will also have known the US has a strong air defense system that would have been on high alert. Tehran should have a grasp of how well its missiles would fare against such technology.

The missile attacks don't make sense if Tehran's goal was to really hurt US troops in large numbers -- as some had been pledging to do.

😂😂

Iran sure does love a good slap.......on its self.....and it’s not even Muharram yet!😜

Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 08, 2020, 06:15:45 PM
😂😂

Iran will have known that the troops are normally asleep in the early hours of the morning. Choosing to attack then likely minimized the number of personnel roaming around the base who could be killed or injured.

It will also have known the US has a strong air defense system that would have been on high alert. Tehran should have a grasp of how well its missiles would fare against such technology.

The missile attacks don't make sense if Tehran's goal was to really hurt US troops in large numbers -- as some had been pledging to do.

😂😂

Iran sure does love a good slap.......on its self.....and it’s not even Muharram yet!😜

"Iran will have known that the troops are normally asleep in the early hours of the morning. Choosing to attack then likely minimized the number of personnel roaming around the base who could be killed or injured"

You know what, Absolutely. I agree with you 100%. The same principle and policy was used during the Iran-Iraq war. Do take time out from hate towards Shias to look at facts. 😊

The Iranians have always played by the rules. And they have principles. The Iranians could have attacked during the day. But they didn't. Why? Doesn't this tell you something. Or what does this tell you. And how does this make a top Iranian general like Qasim Sulaimani a rapist and murderer. And how does this make Iran a murderous and ruthless regime😊

In the mid nineties the Taliban government in Afghanistan massacred many Shias especially in Mazhar Sharif along with 8 Iranian diplomats and send them in coffins to Iran. But did Iran retaliate. Or the killings of Iranian pilgrims in Mecca in the late 80's by the Saudi armed police. Did Iran retaliate. I can give you many examples. So how does this make Qasim Sulaimani a top Iranian general a rapist and murderer. 😊
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 08, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
"Iran will have known that the troops are normally asleep in the early hours of the morning. Choosing to attack then likely minimized the number of personnel roaming around the base who could be killed or injured"

You know what, Absolutely. I agree with you 100%. The same principle and policy was used during the Iran-Iraq war. Do take time out from hate towards Shias to look at facts. 😊

The Iranians have always played by the rules. And they have principles. The Iranians could have attacked during the day. But they didn't. Why? Doesn't this tell you something. Or what does this tell you. And how does this make a top Iranian general like Qasim Sulaimani a rapist and murderer. And how does this make Iran a murderous and ruthless regime😊

In the mid nineties the Taliban government in Afghanistan massacred many Shias especially in Mazhar Sharif along with 8 Iranian diplomats and send them in coffins to Iran. But did Iran retaliate. Or the killings of Iranian pilgrims in Mecca in the late 80's by the Saudi armed police. Did Iran retaliate. I can give you many examples. So how does this make Qasim Sulaimani a top Iranian general a rapist and murderer. 😊


A murder and rapist??? Are your emotions taking over?😂
I never mentioned such a thing did I?

You don’t get it or your just defending Iran as if it’s a god chosen nation😂😂 a bit like imarmite😂😂

They Iran are SCARED and only appeal to dumb shiites who dream as if Iran is a power to be reckoned with😂😂


They sure did play by the rules when sending that dead man Qassem and his faggott quds brigade militias to massacre Sunni civilians in Iraq and Syria yea they killed them with dignity and according to the rule book.😂

Iran

We will slap the Americans in the their face

Trump

All is well

😂😂😂😂

That slap was missiles landing in fields😂😂😂😂😂

Oh my😜
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 08, 2020, 06:57:21 PM
"Iran will have known that the troops are normally asleep in the early hours of the morning. Choosing to attack then likely minimized the number of personnel roaming around the base who could be killed or injured"

You know what, Absolutely. I agree with you 100%. The same principle and policy was used during the Iran-Iraq war. Do take time out from hate towards Shias to look at facts. 😊

The Iranians have always played by the rules. And they have principles. The Iranians could have attacked during the day. But they didn't. Why? Doesn't this tell you something. Or what does this tell you. And how does this make a top Iranian general like Qasim Sulaimani a rapist and murderer. And how does this make Iran a murderous and ruthless regime😊

In the mid nineties the Taliban government in Afghanistan massacred many Shias especially in Mazhar Sharif along with 8 Iranian diplomats and send them in coffins to Iran. But did Iran retaliate. Or the killings of Iranian pilgrims in Mecca in the late 80's by the Saudi armed police. Did Iran retaliate. I can give you many examples. So how does this make Qasim Sulaimani a top Iranian general a rapist and murderer. 😊


Is lying in your blood?? Or is it a Shiite ting??

When did I post Qassem as a rapist??

I know you are probably in mourning for the next 10 days or so but don’t let your emotions take over your rationality especially if you start accusing others of things they never said.🤔
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 08, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
So it seems noone was killed and some missles even landed several kilometres away from their target. This is a great trade for the US if it chooses not to respond - Iran's top general killed and in return some damage to their base with 0 americans dead. The ayotollah fanboys will milk this like a prized cow but in reality Iran has really got the short end here.

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

After the killing of Soleimani, I was ready to bet anyone that Iran will not retaliate so when I read the news (that they have attacked US bases in Iraq and taken responsibility) I was a bit shocked.  I was extremely nervous thinking it will be March 2003 all over again, when Bush jr. came on the TV and announced the beginning of a catastrophe.  However, as the assessment of the sites were made known, I realized what had happened.

Iran, to save face, "attacked" US military bases but chose to inflict almost no casualties on the Americans so that there is no retaliation from the US.

All in all, I am grateful that this has not escalated to another catastrophe consuming more innocent lives.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 08, 2020, 07:13:39 PM
In the mid nineties the Taliban government in Afghanistan massacred many Shias especially in Mazhar Sharif along with 8 Iranian diplomats and send them in coffins to Iran. But did Iran retaliate.

I was very young when this happened.  Good job on painting a one-sided image of the situation.  The Iranians brought their entire army to the border and there was a long standoff period.  When a reporter asked one of the Taliban if they were scared by the massive troop buildup on the other side of the border, he casually replied, "they won't do anything....the Iranians know history and our people".

The Taliban were not even concerned, lol.  So yes, Iran did not retaliate but not because of moral reasons but because they would have lost their entire army and all their militia groups in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 08, 2020, 08:16:23 PM
A murder and rapist??? Are your emotions taking over?😂
I never mentioned such a thing did I?

You don’t get it or your just defending Iran as if it’s a god chosen nation😂😂 a bit like imarmite😂😂

They Iran are SCARED and only appeal to dumb shiites who dream as if Iran is a power to be reckoned with😂😂


They sure did play by the rules when sending that dead man Qassem and his faggott quds brigade militias to massacre Sunni civilians in Iraq and Syria yea they killed them with dignity and according to the rule book.😂

Iran

We will slap the Americans in the their face

Trump

All is well

😂😂😂😂

That slap was missiles landing in fields😂😂😂😂😂

Oh my😜

"A murder and rapist??? Are your emotions taking over?😂
I never mentioned such a thing did I?"

Don't get emotional and take things personal. When did I say you said it.

This is what Adil said on another thread.

"May he burn in hell for all the sunni lives he has helped take, for all our women and men who were raped, for every sunni family destroyed"

"You don’t get it or your just defending Iran as if it’s a god chosen nation😂😂 a bit like imarmite😂😂"

Do you get it. Why are you always talking against Iran. 😊 You're always speaking I'll and bad about Iran and because of this you think I'm favouring them. 😊

"They Iran are SCARED and only appeal to dumb shiites who dream as if Iran is a power to be reckoned with😂😂"

If Iran is scared and that weak then why hasn't America taken the Iranian regime out or why don't they take it out like the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in 2001 and the Saddam regime in 2003? 😆 Try answering this.

"They sure did play by the rules when sending that dead man Qassem and his faggott quds brigade militias to massacre Sunni civilians in Iraq and Syria yea they killed them with dignity and according to the rule book.😂"

You say a lot of things but have never backed anything up. Tell me where you get your information from and lets see how accurate and exact it is.

"Qassem and his faggott quds brigade militias to massacre Sunni civilians in Iraq and Syria yea they killed them"

PROVIDE EVIDENCE. Don't talk wind and air 😆 Do you think Iran is that weak and America is that strong 😊 Iran has retaliated. Lets see the American massive response. Lets see American warships sailing towards Iran for war. 😊 Sorry to severely disappoint and shatter your dreams. I don't see it happening.😆
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 09, 2020, 01:52:30 AM
I was very young when this happened.  Good job on painting a one-sided image of the situation.  The Iranians brought their entire army to the border and there was a long standoff period.  When a reporter asked one of the Taliban if they were scared by the massive troop buildup on the other side of the border, he casually replied, "they won't do anything....the Iranians know history and our people".

The Taliban were not even concerned, lol.  So yes, Iran did not retaliate but not because of moral reasons but because they would have lost their entire army and all their militia groups in Afghanistan.

"The Taliban were not even concerned, lol.  So yes, Iran did not retaliate but not because of moral reasons but because they would have lost their entire army and all their militia groups in Afghanistan"

Who was more stronger, the Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam in Iraq. On 22nd September 1980 Saddam invaded Iran predicting it would take over Iran in just two weeks. Did it happen. Why would Iran go to war with Afghanistan. What was the need for it. Wait for the right opportunity. Eventually Taliban were gotten rid of in 2001. Even if Iran decided to fight the Taliban which it eventually did it defeated it just as it defeated ISIS.

"they would have lost their entire army and all their militia groups in Afghanistan"

Really. What happened to the Taliban in 2001. Where did they all of a sudden disappear to. Their history is nothing apart from different factions getting together and fighting the Russians with the help of the Americans through Pakistan. On the other hand Iran had eight years of war experience fighting Iraq without the help of the international community. Infact the international community was helping and aiding Saddam fully. 😊
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 09, 2020, 02:02:35 AM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

After the killing of Soleimani, I was ready to bet anyone that Iran will not retaliate so when I read the news (that they have attacked US bases in Iraq and taken responsibility) I was a bit shocked.  I was extremely nervous thinking it will be March 2003 all over again, when Bush jr. came on the TV and announced the beginning of a catastrophe.  However, as the assessment of the sites were made known, I realized what had happened.

Iran, to save face, "attacked" US military bases but chose to inflict almost no casualties on the Americans so that there is no retaliation from the US.

All in all, I am grateful that this has not escalated to another catastrophe consuming more innocent lives.

Either there was no casualties or the Americans didn't declare the casualties. America had plenty of reasons to go to war with Iran in the past if it wanted to. But they chose not to. You don't attack with well over a dozen or so missiles aiming with no casualties in mind. First time I've heard of that strategy. Hizbullah is nothing compared to Iran and its military might and size. Israel is well equipped but couldn't control Hizbullah in the 2006 war with lebanon. And you talk about Iran.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Rationalist on January 09, 2020, 06:42:23 AM
A lot of media groups are saying these were warning shots from Iran. They did not intend any harm. It looks like Iran still doesn't want this war.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 09, 2020, 02:14:20 PM
A lot of media groups are saying these were warning shots from Iran. They did not intend any harm. It looks like Iran still doesn't want this war.

Iran didn't and doesn't want any kind of war. And America doesn't need a proper reason or excuse to go to war with Iran. Trump doesn't want a war with Iran. He's just proven it. This action of Trump was just an electoral stunt and to move media attention away from impeachment.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 09, 2020, 03:33:05 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/08/politics/standing-down-trump-iran-retaliation-strike/index.html&ved=2ahUKEwjE0dHIwvbmAhWkunEKHfZDD1cQiJQBMAB6BAgJEAQ&usg=AOvVaw25ujUnai9kMCevDMRK1R1o&ampcf=1
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 09, 2020, 06:06:29 PM
"A murder and rapist??? Are your emotions taking over?😂
I never mentioned such a thing did I?"

Don't get emotional and take things personal. When did I say you said it.

This is what Adil said on another thread.

"May he burn in hell for all the sunni lives he has helped take, for all our women and men who were raped, for every sunni family destroyed"

"You don’t get it or your just defending Iran as if it’s a god chosen nation😂😂 a bit like imarmite😂😂"

Do you get it. Why are you always talking against Iran. 😊 You're always speaking I'll and bad about Iran and because of this you think I'm favouring them. 😊

"They Iran are SCARED and only appeal to dumb shiites who dream as if Iran is a power to be reckoned with😂😂"

If Iran is scared and that weak then why hasn't America taken the Iranian regime out or why don't they take it out like the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in 2001 and the Saddam regime in 2003? 😆 Try answering this.

"They sure did play by the rules when sending that dead man Qassem and his faggott quds brigade militias to massacre Sunni civilians in Iraq and Syria yea they killed them with dignity and according to the rule book.😂"

You say a lot of things but have never backed anything up. Tell me where you get your information from and lets see how accurate and exact it is.

"Qassem and his faggott quds brigade militias to massacre Sunni civilians in Iraq and Syria yea they killed them"

PROVIDE EVIDENCE. Don't talk wind and air 😆 Do you think Iran is that weak and America is that strong 😊 Iran has retaliated. Lets see the American massive response. Lets see American warships sailing towards Iran for war. 😊 Sorry to severely disappoint and shatter your dreams. I don't see it happening.😆

Lol your head is that mashed up that you don’t even know who you are replying to😂

I give facts about Iran on the other hand you refuse them facts and start ACCUSING me of hate, it happens not just with me but others too.
You are so full of your own xxxx that you refuse to see the truth.

My dimwit friend Iran is VERY scared the Americans have just BLATANTLY took out the second most highest man in Iran and the only retaliation???
Lame excuses won’t hide your weakness😜

Lol says the guy who posted bajwa went to Iran to get info on volunteer militias coz he was so amazed by Iran’s😂😂
That’s just one bring proof for the others .......THEN YOU CAN TALK.......HYPOCRITE!

Yes Iran is very weak compared to America militarily and economically, Iran can never face America in a conventional military war, not by proxy militias but by the state itself.
Hence the rockets that were fired with a flurry of fake news and hacks amounted to.......0!

IRNA news or press tv is not the best place to get your news 😜
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 09, 2020, 08:16:18 PM
Who was more stronger, the Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam in Iraq.

I will make you feel smarter despite asking such a dumb question.  So here is your chance to answer your own question.  Afghanistan was attacked in 2001; Iraq was attacked in 2003.  The Taliban are still around, in fact, they dragged the NATO (coalition of 50-plus nations) to the discussion table whereas the Baathist party is almost dead.  Now, answer your own question.  Who is more stronger?


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Eventually Taliban were gotten rid of in 2001.

You need to watch news more often in order to not make such ridiculous statements.


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Even if Iran decided to fight the Taliban which it eventually did it defeated it just as it defeated ISIS.

Yes, what a coalition of 50-plus countries could not do, Iran would have done it.


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Really. What happened to the Taliban in 2001. Where did they all of a sudden disappear to.

Again, you need to watch the news.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 10, 2020, 09:36:03 AM
Bad situation all round for the shia.

1 american contractor killed.
Then 25 shia militia terrorists killed by the Americans in retaliation.
Then Soleimani  did his genius idea and occupied their embassy.
Then Soleimani and  a shia militia leader get killed by the americans in retaliation.
50+ shia die in a stampede at soleimanis funeral.
Then Iran bombs a base but informs the Iraqis beforehand, no American casualties.
Then the shia blow up an airliner by accident and killed 180 people - not confirmed but it looks extremely liked they took it out.

Yet the great minds over at shiachat are discussing whether "wahabis" in Iran took out the air liner.

Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 10, 2020, 09:48:53 AM
Me making dua for Soleimani to be in hellfire doesn't mean I'm emotional. Stop being silly ice man.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 10, 2020, 05:36:26 PM
Me making dua for Soleimani to be in hellfire doesn't mean I'm emotional. Stop being silly ice man.

And those sending lanat or what ever on either Khalid bin Walid being a military commander and for what he did and the terrible act that he committed or on any other individual for they did doesn't result in takfeer. Nor are they emotional. Stop being silly. Stick to a set of principles and rules. And let the same apply to others. What you believe that you are free to do and is within your right, believe in and accept the same for others.

Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 10, 2020, 06:34:26 PM
And those sending lanat or what ever on either Khalid bin Walid being a military commander and for what he did and the terrible act that he committed or on any other individual for they did doesn't result in takfeer. Nor are they emotional. Stop being silly. Stick to a set of principles and rules. And let the same apply to others. What you believe that you are free to do and is within your right, believe in and accept the same for others.

In 10 years time, Soleimani will just in be in a list of criminals. Rarely will sunnis mention him and neither will we be organizing special events to curse him.

In 100 years time, twelver shia will be cursing sahaba regularly, crying hysterically at end of their little talks like at the end of Ammar Nakshwani ones,they'll be beating themselves silly and many will be self flagellating.

So don't even try comparing me praying for hell for a recently deceased war criminal like Soleimani to regularly practiced emotionally charged shia practices.

Khalid (ra) was a great man. He did more for Islam than every twelver shia past present or future combined.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 10, 2020, 06:58:00 PM
In 10 years time, Soleimani will just in be in a list of criminals. Rarely will sunnis mention him and neither will we be organizing special events to curse him.

In 100 years time, twelver shia will be cursing sahaba regularly, crying hysterically at end of their little talks like at the end of Ammar Nakshwani ones,they'll be beating themselves silly and many will be self flagellating.

So don't even try comparing me praying for hell for a recently deceased war criminal like Soleimani to regularly practiced emotionally charged shia practices.

Khalid (ra) was a great man. He did more for Islam than every twelver shia past present or future combined.

Don't get sooooo emotional. Get a grip on yourself.

"In 10 years time, Soleimani will just in be in a list of criminals"

According to you. If he was really and actually a criminal then this would have been said and mentioned worldwide/globally well well before his assassination. Not after it. There was no arrest warrant issued against Sulaimani and no call for his arrest, handover or extradition before his death. If there was than please do show me. I believe in equality and justice, I believe in fairness and a balanced and level playing field. I believe in international law which the US has absolutely and clearly violated, be it in the case of Sulaimani or Osama.

You should believe in, follow and exercise international law. And America doesn't.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 11, 2020, 01:36:45 AM
You should believe in, follow and exercise international law. And America doesn't.

I will quote you portions from the preamble, and the body, of the Iranian Constitution and you tell us how it is any different than America's refusal to follow international law.

Its preamble reads, "People strive to build an ideal model society reliant on Islamic principles.  Hence, the message of question that arises here in the constitution is to create ideological grounds for development and find suitable circumstances to teach people the highest Islamic international values."  It also says, "The constitution provides a basis for the continuation of this revolution both inside and outside the country to build one single nation in the world."  Unlike America which exports "democracy", Iran exports its own revolution.

Also, Article 154 of the constitution says, "Iran completely abstains from any kind of intervention in the internal affairs of other nations", HOWEVER, it continues to say that Iran will continue "supporting the just struggles of the oppressed against tyrants anywhere in the globe".  Much like America, Iran can label any group "oppressed" and the other as "tyrants" and then use its proxies to influence the former against the latter.  Exactly what they have done in Yemen by pushing the Houthis onto world stage when the country was trying to go through a power transition.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 11, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
After days of denial, the regime has admitted that it blew up the airliner.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 11, 2020, 02:24:40 PM
Only yesterday some shiachatters were discussing whether "wahabis" could've had a hand in the plane crash. I guess now they know.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 02:33:56 PM
Only yesterday some shiachatters were discussing whether "wahabis" could've had a hand in the plane crash. I guess now they know.

When an investigation has started and is ongoing on a particular matter or case all options and possibilities are open and available. Nothing can be ruled out until the investigation is complete and the findings are released.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
After days of denial, the regime has admitted that it blew up the airliner.

There was no denial. You can't throw accusations around based on assumptions while a matter needs to be investigated or an investigation is ongoing.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
I will quote you portions from the preamble, and the body, of the Iranian Constitution and you tell us how it is any different than America's refusal to follow international law.

Its preamble reads, "People strive to build an ideal model society reliant on Islamic principles.  Hence, the message of question that arises here in the constitution is to create ideological grounds for development and find suitable circumstances to teach people the highest Islamic international values."  It also says, "The constitution provides a basis for the continuation of this revolution both inside and outside the country to build one single nation in the world."  Unlike America which exports "democracy", Iran exports its own revolution.

Also, Article 154 of the constitution says, "Iran completely abstains from any kind of intervention in the internal affairs of other nations", HOWEVER, it continues to say that Iran will continue "supporting the just struggles of the oppressed against tyrants anywhere in the globe".  Much like America, Iran can label any group "oppressed" and the other as "tyrants" and then use its proxies to influence the former against the latter.  Exactly what they have done in Yemen by pushing the Houthis onto world stage when the country was trying to go through a power transition.

Allow me to put you straight on this, you're misinterpretation of the Iranian constitution and its laws along with facts regarding the world and how certain countries work and operate. America and it's allies known as the west collectively work outside their nation and countries not to build democracies or in the name of human rights or to promote human rights or to build modern and civil societies in other countries. That's what they claim and show. But the story is very different.

The West acts truly and only in the name of national interest or national security just for personal gain and benefit such as trade, oil, gas and other natural resources that a country has and holds. The West also is the biggest arms manufacturer. Who are you going to sell arms to if their is no conflict or war. The west also doesn't look at who is right or wrong or good or bad or fair and unfair or just and unjust. It chooses it's allies in the world depending on benefit and interest. Todays enemy could be tomorrow a friend. Or today a friend could be seen and classified as an enemy tomorrow.

I'm just going to focus on this now with some examples rather than answering and addressing some silly, stupid and sarcastic posts by some which are an absolute and complete waste of time.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 02:59:37 PM
UNITED NATIONS. What is the history and purpose of the UN.

History of the UN. The United Nations is an international organization founded in 1945 after the Second World War by 51 countries committed to maintaining international peace and security, developing friendly relations among nations and promoting social progress, better living standards and human rights.

Due to its unique international character, and the powers vested in its founding Charter, the Organization can take action on a wide range of issues, and provide a forum for its 193 Member States to express their views, through the General Assembly, the Security Council, the Economic and Social Council and other bodies and committees.

The work of the United Nations reaches every corner of the globe. Although best known for peacekeeping, peacebuilding, conflict prevention and humanitarian assistance, there are many other ways the United Nations and its System (specialized agencies, funds and programmes) affect our lives and make the world a better place.

The Organization works on a broad range of fundamental issues, from sustainable development, environment and refugees protection, disaster relief, counter terrorism, disarmament and non-proliferation, to promoting democracy, human rights, gender equality and the advancement of women, governance, economic and social development and international health, clearing landmines, expanding food production, and more, in order to achieve its goals and coordinate efforts for a safer world for this and future generations.

The UN has 4 main purposes
To keep peace throughout the world;
To develop friendly relations among nations; To help nations work together to improve the lives of poor people, to conquer hunger, disease and illiteracy, and to encourage respect for each other’s rights and freedoms; To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations to achieve these goals

UN UNTIED NATIONS was created so that the strong can't push around or invade the weak. The rich can't treat the poor the way they want to. The UN was founded created after world war 2. Why? Why did world war 1 and 2 take place? To prevent another world war or to stop world war from taking place?
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 11, 2020, 03:03:22 PM
There was no denial. You can't throw accusations around based on assumptions while a matter needs to be investigated or an investigation is ongoing.

Yeh sorry but no. They even claimed it was scientifically impossible for them to have hit the air liner.

https://www.businessinsider.com/did-iran-shoot-down-ukraine-plane-missile-iraq-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 03:10:08 PM
Yeh sorry but no. They even claimed it was scientifically impossible for them to have hit the air liner.

https://www.businessinsider.com/did-iran-shoot-down-ukraine-plane-missile-iraq-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

Mistakes happen. Accidents happen. Give it a rest. This was no crime that was committed. I'll give you examples.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 11, 2020, 03:57:33 PM
Don't worry Ice man, I don't need examples.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 04:00:39 PM
We were speaking about the UN the UNITED NATIONS. The UN has been completely overshadowed and totally disregarded by the WEST that's AMERICA AND ITS ALLIES. Where America and it's allies should be answerable and questionable to the UN. Any country be it America or its ally should go to the UN if it has any problem or issue with any other country. But as we can see for a very long time that that hasn't been the case. Other countries are questionable and answerable to the UN but not America or any of its allies. It's not Iran or Saudi Arabia, Taliban or Hizbullah, Bashar Al Assad or Saddam, ISIS or the Ayatollahs, Soleimani, Osama or Bahgdadi  but America and its allies that are the cause of all the problems the world is facing. Because of absolute, complete and total disregard of the United Nations and America most of all not being under the United Nations umbrella but rather above it.

And Muslim 720 you're telling me,

Unlike America which exports "democracy", Iran exports its own revolution"

America exports democracy 😅

"I will quote you portions from the preamble, and the body, of the Iranian Constitution and you tell us how it is any different than America's refusal to follow international law"

My first point on this will be America and it's allies went on their adventures around the world having absolute disregard for UN and international law well before the Iranian revolution. Second point is how did America and its allies see and treat the Iranian revolution. There was a popular uprising in Iran against the government by the people of Iran which brought about the Iranian revolution, now you speak about Bashar Al Assad treating its people but refuse to mention and talk about how brutal and ruthlessly how barbaric Raza Shah treated the people of Iran in 1978/1979.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 04:02:13 PM
Don't worry Ice man, I don't need examples.

I'm not worried. Just want you to relax.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 11, 2020, 04:19:44 PM
First missiles launched by Iran land in fields.
Second missiles launched and they kill their own people.

Are they stupid? What idiots has Iran got as soldiers? Are these the ones who will join the Mahdi when he comes?? All 313 of them😂😂😂

This is Iran and it’s military honestly there is no such nation like it, only jokers can defend this cesspit of a nation😂
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 11, 2020, 04:36:35 PM
I'm not worried. Just want you to relax.

I'm chilled, thanks for your concern though.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 06:10:42 PM
I'm chilled, thanks for your concern though.

That's good.  If not than this may help.
Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided-missile cruiser of the United States Navy.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
First missiles launched by Iran land in fields.
Second missiles launched and they kill their own people.

Are they stupid? What idiots has Iran got as soldiers? Are these the ones who will join the Mahdi when he comes?? All 313 of them😂😂😂

This is Iran and it’s military honestly there is no such nation like it, only jokers can defend this cesspit of a nation😂

Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided-missile cruiser of the United States Navy.

Do you think the Americans were stupid too. Or is it just Iran because they're Shia. 😀
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 06:35:44 PM
First missiles launched by Iran land in fields.
Second missiles launched and they kill their own people.

Are they stupid? What idiots has Iran got as soldiers? Are these the ones who will join the Mahdi when he comes?? All 313 of them😂😂😂

This is Iran and it’s military honestly there is no such nation like it, only jokers can defend this cesspit of a nation😂

Russia blames Israel after military plane shot down off Syria 18 September 2018

Russia has said Syria shot down one of its military planes - but laid the blame for the deaths of the 15 personnel on board with Israel.

The defence ministry said Israeli jets put the Il-20 plane into the path of Syrian air defence systems on Monday after failing to give Moscow enough warning of a strike on Syrian targets.

The Il-20 disappeared off the radar at about 23:00 local time (20:00 GMT).

The Israel Defence Force (IDF) has expressed "sorrow" over the deaths.

And would you call Russia stupid here as well. 😊 You wouldn't would you, because they're not Shia 😅
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Adil on January 11, 2020, 07:08:12 PM
More whatabouttery.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 11, 2020, 11:11:42 PM
More whatabouttery.

MORE FACTS SUNNY 😊
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 12, 2020, 02:04:33 AM
https://youtu.be/pbC2BfruYDQ
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 12, 2020, 03:44:21 PM
The ONLY stupid country in the whole world slapped America in the face by shooting down its own civilian aircraft.........I stick by what I say, is Iran stupid? What idiots has Iran got as soldiers?
Now because of its stupidity the people are protesting about the LIES that were peddled in the first few days by the government......The divine Shiite government LYING!!! Not even in Sunni secular countries would this happen 😂

What monkeys are running Iran?😜
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Khaled on January 12, 2020, 04:38:15 PM
Russia blames Israel after military plane shot down off Syria 18 September 2018

Russia has said Syria shot down one of its military planes - but laid the blame for the deaths of the 15 personnel on board with Israel.

The defence ministry said Israeli jets put the Il-20 plane into the path of Syrian air defence systems on Monday after failing to give Moscow enough warning of a strike on Syrian targets.

The Il-20 disappeared off the radar at about 23:00 local time (20:00 GMT).

The Israel Defence Force (IDF) has expressed "sorrow" over the deaths.

And would you call Russia stupid here as well. 😊 You wouldn't would you, because they're not Shia 😅

I can Russia stupid and oppressive.  I also do the same for the government of Saudi, Egypt, US, Britain, China, India... who else do you want?  What do you call this?   ;D

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-swiss-intermediaries-backchannel-communicate-iran-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3FJQU8506jjovB5ROjTDQT3Ohnd0tWMsH4eaQ1WnkgrBOI7ABHC9--98s

You have two options: either this is (1) false propaganda, or it is (2) justifiable by Iran.

I just hope that you don't rush to pick (1) before making sure that you won't later have to come back and defend them for it.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 13, 2020, 01:30:09 AM
The ONLY stupid country in the whole world slapped America in the face by shooting down its own civilian aircraft.........I stick by what I say, is Iran stupid? What idiots has Iran got as soldiers?
Now because of its stupidity the people are protesting about the LIES that were peddled in the first few days by the government......The divine Shiite government LYING!!! Not even in Sunni secular countries would this happen 😂

What monkeys are running Iran?😜

"The ONLY stupid country in the whole world slapped America in the face by shooting down its own civilian aircraft.........I stick by what I say, is Iran stupid? What idiots has Iran got as soldiers?"

It's Shia governed so it would have to be stupid according to you. 😀 It's not actually stupid but infact is your I'll thinking that makes you look and talk stupid. Accidents happen during tense situations. It was accidental. At least listen to and believe your godfather Mike Pompei 😀
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 13, 2020, 01:35:24 AM
I can Russia stupid and oppressive.  I also do the same for the government of Saudi, Egypt, US, Britain, China, India... who else do you want?  What do you call this?   ;D

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-swiss-intermediaries-backchannel-communicate-iran-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3FJQU8506jjovB5ROjTDQT3Ohnd0tWMsH4eaQ1WnkgrBOI7ABHC9--98s

You have two options: either this is (1) false propaganda, or it is (2) justifiable by Iran.

I just hope that you don't rush to pick (1) before making sure that you won't later have to come back and defend them for it.

I don't need to defend or attack anyone. That's your policy, not mine. You pick and choose on who to defend and who to attack, who to praise and who to mock. If Iran was Sunni governed then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Iran's crime is ITS SHIA GOVERNED 😊 If it wasn't then it would be free of all charges. 😊
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Mythbuster1 on January 13, 2020, 03:26:51 PM
I don't need to defend or attack anyone. That's your policy, not mine. You pick and choose on who to defend and who to attack, who to praise and who to mock. If Iran was Sunni governed then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Iran's crime is ITS SHIA GOVERNED 😊 If it wasn't then it would be free of all charges. 😊

Lol completely avoids the question to stay on track with his assumptions and false accusations it’s just like divine Imamate if you don’t believe me then you are wrong and you are playing blind you don’t wanna see the truth😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

This is how a dimwit responds 😂😂

He has the proof right in front of him and all he has to do is answer accordingly but NO........somehow it’s anti shia 😂😂😂😂

Joker😂
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 13, 2020, 08:46:07 PM
Allow me to put you straight on this, you're misinterpretation of the Iranian constitution and its laws along with facts regarding the world and how certain countries work and operate.

That is the genius of such documents.  They phrase sentences in ways that can have multiple interpretations.  What you cannot point to is how my interpretation is inaccurate and not justified.


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America and it's allies known as the west collectively work outside their nation and countries not to build democracies or in the name of human rights or to promote human rights or to build modern and civil societies in other countries. That's what they claim and show. But the story is very different.

Similarly, Iran functions outside its borders, via proxies, to help those it (Iran) labels as "oppressed".  So how is it different than imperialism?  Imperialism exports "democracy" whereas Iran exports its revolution but the mechanism is the same.


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The West acts truly and only in the name of national interest or national security just for personal gain and benefit such as trade, oil, gas and other natural resources that a country has and holds.

And Iran acts out of humanity?  Even Hassan Allahyari exposed Iran for charging Iraq for Soleimani's services.  Iraq had to pay through its nose.
 

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I'm just going to focus on this now with some examples rather than answering and addressing some silly, stupid and sarcastic posts by some which are an absolute and complete waste of time.

You are an utter disgrace.  The preamble, and the body, of the Iranian Constitution - and the leaked cables of Iran's MOIS - are staring you in the face and you are running out of excuses to cover them up.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Khaled on January 13, 2020, 10:53:34 PM
I don't need to defend or attack anyone. That's your policy, not mine. You pick and choose on who to defend and who to attack, who to praise and who to mock. If Iran was Sunni governed then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Iran's crime is ITS SHIA GOVERNED 😊 If it wasn't then it would be free of all charges. 😊

This response just exposes how insincere you really are.  I'm going to go one further for you:

I personally believe that Saudi, UAE, Israel, the US, Russia, Iran, and India are all not only worse, but MUCH worse than Iran.  I actually would HATE for the Iranian regime to fall.  I criticize Iran, not because it is Shia, but because it is a manipulative regime that has the blood of a large number of Muslims, Shia and non-Shia, on their hand.

I do not think that any act by Trump or the Saudis justifies shooting down the Ukrainian plane.  I also don't think that any act, done by Iran or whoever, justifies even a percentage of the Saudi reaction towards Yemen.

That clarification should be enough for any sincere person
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 13, 2020, 11:06:40 PM
If Iran was Sunni governed then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

On another platform, a Shi'i actually presented the same argument in defense of Soleimani when he was confronted by the leaked cables of MOIS.  That if Soleimani was a Sunni general, the Sunnis would have mourned his death and glorified his legacy.

To counter his point, a wise Sunni brother actually agreed that it is highly probable that the Sunni world would have defended Soleimani had he been Sunni.  But that does not make it right; it only proves that we are weak.  So weak that we cannot admit our own shortcomings.  And that is exactly what the Shias are doing right now.  They are showing that their entire posture is rested on Soleimani's (and Iran's) credibility and if Soleimani's credibility is gone, their (Shias') credibility is gone too.

I have always maintained that if you are upon haqq, you can concede miles after miles in a religious discussion without it impacting your core foundational beliefs.  The same, I think, can now be said not just about Shia-Sunni religious discussions but also for most Shia-Sunni political discourse.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 14, 2020, 02:19:07 AM
On another platform, a Shi'i actually presented the same argument in defense of Soleimani when he was confronted by the leaked cables of MOIS.  That if Soleimani was a Sunni general, the Sunnis would have mourned his death and glorified his legacy.

To counter his point, a wise Sunni brother actually agreed that it is highly probable that the Sunni world would have defended Soleimani had he been Sunni.  But that does not make it right; it only proves that we are weak.  So weak that we cannot admit our own shortcomings.  And that is exactly what the Shias are doing right now.  They are showing that their entire posture is rested on Soleimani's (and Iran's) credibility and if Soleimani's credibility is gone, their (Shias') credibility is gone too.

I have always maintained that if you are upon haqq, you can concede miles after miles in a religious discussion without it impacting your core foundational beliefs.  The same, I think, can now be said not just about Shia-Sunni religious discussions but also for most Shia-Sunni political discourse.

Condemn Soleimani on what, for helping and aiding those who were oppressed (Shias as well as moderate Sunni Barelvis)  to fight against ISIS. Now which moderate, peaceful and noble Sunnis did Soleimani kill or ordered to be killed and why? How come nothing was ever said or mentioned until his assassination?
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 14, 2020, 12:49:28 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/09/mek-iran-revolution-regime-trump-rajavi&ved=2ahUKEwiF14qD5YLnAhXWRBUIHTFKApQQFjAFegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3RpRHNVlSiVFDu-wWQJcU4

So now we know and learn about the protests in Iran and who's behind them. It's the same members and loyalists of the terror group MEK MUJAHIDEEN E KHALQ. And what are the western diplomats doing associating and engaging with them. So now we know why Iran is behaving in such a way.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Khaled on January 14, 2020, 04:39:09 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/09/mek-iran-revolution-regime-trump-rajavi&ved=2ahUKEwiF14qD5YLnAhXWRBUIHTFKApQQFjAFegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3RpRHNVlSiVFDu-wWQJcU4

So now we know and learn about the protests in Iran and who's behind them. It's the same members and loyalists of the terror group MEK MUJAHIDEEN E KHALQ. And what are the western diplomats doing associating and engaging with them. So now we know why Iran is behaving in such a way.

Why did you ignore my post #53?  Is it because you are an insincere person?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/13/we-are-captives-iranian-actor-criticises-tehran-government

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/jan/12/anti-government-protests-tehran-iran-shot-ukrainian-jet-video

I'm not going to sit here and posts article I know you will ignore, this is just to show your hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Khaled on January 14, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
I don't need to defend or attack anyone. That's your policy, not mine. You pick and choose on who to defend and who to attack, who to praise and who to mock. If Iran was Sunni governed then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Iran's crime is ITS SHIA GOVERNED 😊 If it wasn't then it would be free of all charges. 😊

I want to show you a Tweet that I just recently liked and retweeted, please let me know if you really think that I have this unfathomable hate for Iran and how biased I am towards them.

https://twitter.com/ProjectAndalus/status/1217120780460404736?s=20

This is just to show you that it only appears to you that all we do is bash Shi'as is because you are on a WEBSITE THAT CRITICIZES SHI'ASM!  Outside of here, I am more likely to defend Iran and Shi'as than I am criticizing them.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 14, 2020, 09:20:55 PM
Why did you ignore my post #53?  Is it because you are an insincere person?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/13/we-are-captives-iranian-actor-criticises-tehran-government

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/jan/12/anti-government-protests-tehran-iran-shot-ukrainian-jet-video

I'm not going to sit here and posts article I know you will ignore, this is just to show your hypocrisy.

I didn’t ignore anything. There's many of you and just me. How do you expect me to keep up with everything and all of you. I did request that come to me one at a time.

Why are you posting these links? This is what you said to me;

"links to an article available online and any one can read, from a website that". I'll look into your post #53.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 14, 2020, 09:33:24 PM
Condemn Soleimani on what, for helping and aiding those who were oppressed (Shias as well as moderate Sunni Barelvis)  to fight against ISIS.

Thank you.  Over the years, you did a very good job of displaying your ignorance.  Today, you have one-upped yourself by also claiming the title for the biggest hypocrite I've ever come across on a virtual platform.


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Now which moderate, peaceful and noble Sunnis did Soleimani kill or ordered to be killed and why?

Imagine if we say the same in reverse.  Now which moderate, peaceful and noble Shias did ISIS kill or ordered to be killed and why!

By the way, try protestors in Iraq in October 2019.  Hundreds of them killed.....a star on Soleimani's legacy!


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How come nothing was ever said or mentioned until his assassination?

The cables were leaked recently, however, he was already in hot water from 2013 - 2015.  If you really engage with us when your head is out of your @$$ - so as to allow you to read our sources - it would be great!
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Khaled on January 14, 2020, 09:38:40 PM
I didn’t ignore anything. There's many of you and just me. How do you expect me to keep up with everything and all of you. I did request that come to me one at a time.

Why are you posting these links? This is what you said to me;

"links to an article available online and any one can read, from a website that". I'll look into your post #53.

Because the website that you claimed stated in 2018 the people behind the protests in Iran are the Taliban also shows journalists, activists and other "non-Talibanis" (LOL) protesting in 2020.  So why do you accept the first report and reject the second report?
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 14, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
These Kashmiri Shias could not save Kashmir from being annexed by India but they are confident that they will avenge for Soleimani's assassination.  Goes on to show where their loyalty truly lies!

Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 14, 2020, 10:15:58 PM
Thank you.  Over the years, you did a very good job of displaying your ignorance.  Today, you have one-upped yourself by also claiming the title for the biggest hypocrite I've ever come across on a virtual platform.


Imagine if we say the same in reverse.  Now which moderate, peaceful and noble Shias did ISIS kill or ordered to be killed and why!

By the way, try protestors in Iraq in October 2019.  Hundreds of them killed.....a star on Soleimani's legacy!


The cables were leaked recently, however, he was already in hot water from 2013 - 2015.  If you really engage with us when your head is out of your @$$ - so as to allow you to read our sources - it would be great!

😊 The story is usual with you, everytime you're asked to explain or back something up, provide references or examples, any evidence or proof then tantrums come straight out of you followed by abusive and filthy language. That explains what you are and stand for. All I get from you is counter arguments based on "lets ASSUME or lets IMAGINE" 😊 Absolutely nothing based on reality or facts.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 14, 2020, 10:23:58 PM
😊 The story is usual with you, everytime you're asked to explain or back something up, provide references or examples, any evidence or proof then tantrums come straight out of you followed by abusive and filthy language.

Please educate me on what qualifies as a legitimate source or trustworthy reference to you.  If the Ministry of Intelligence and Security of Iran cannot be trust when it comes to Soleimani, you might as well reject everything you know and start off by demanding for a paternity test from your parents to first establish your own legitimacy and go from there.  An inside-out approach!  First establish your own legitimacy and existence and then look into the realities around you.


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Absolutely nothing based on reality or facts.

Would love to know what cuts it as facts and reality for you!
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 14, 2020, 10:34:13 PM
Thank you.  Over the years, you did a very good job of displaying your ignorance.  Today, you have one-upped yourself by also claiming the title for the biggest hypocrite I've ever come across on a virtual platform.


Imagine if we say the same in reverse.  Now which moderate, peaceful and noble Shias did ISIS kill or ordered to be killed and why!

By the way, try protestors in Iraq in October 2019.  Hundreds of them killed.....a star on Soleimani's legacy!


The cables were leaked recently, however, he was already in hot water from 2013 - 2015.  If you really engage with us when your head is out of your @$$ - so as to allow you to read our sources - it would be great!

😊 The story is usual with you, everytime you're asked to explain or back something up, provide references or examples, any evidence or proof then tantrums come straight out of you followed by abusive and filthy language. That explains what you are and stand for. All I get from you is counter arguments based on "lets ASSUME or lets IMAGINE" 😊 Absolutely nothing based on reality or facts.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 14, 2020, 10:38:19 PM
Please educate me on what qualifies as a legitimate source or trustworthy reference to you.  If the Ministry of Intelligence and Security of Iran cannot be trust when it comes to Soleimani, you might as well reject everything you know and start off by demanding for a paternity test from your parents to first establish your own legitimacy and go from there.  An inside-out approach!  First establish your own legitimacy and existence and then look into the realities around you.


Would love to know what cuts it as facts and reality for you!

Please do tell and enlighten me on does the coin have one side or two sides to it. Is there one side to a story or two or more. Is there absolutely any single thing that is positive, good and useful about Iran and its government. Anything at all. 😊 Just one single thing.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 14, 2020, 11:14:10 PM
Please do tell and enlighten me on does the coin have one side or two sides to it. Is there one side to a story or two or more.

There are two sides to any story, at least, so with that admission, I request you to please offer counter-evidence (to what was leaked from MOIS) of the same caliber to absolve Soleimani.


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Is there absolutely any single thing that is positive, good and useful about Iran and its government. Anything at all. 😊 Just one single thing.

We are talking about Soleimani.  Please do not commit the fallacy of "part to whole".  We will come to Iran in due course.  Let us focus on Soleimani for now.

Please present me counter-evidence on the same level as MOIS that absolves him.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 14, 2020, 11:50:28 PM
There are two sides to any story, at least, so with that admission, I request you to please offer counter-evidence (to what was leaked from MOIS) of the same caliber to absolve Soleimani.


We are talking about Soleimani.  Please do not commit the fallacy of "part to whole".  We will come to Iran in due course.  Let us focus on Soleimani for now.

Please present me counter-evidence on the same level as MOIS that absolves him.

Thank you.

First of all what is MOIS? Lets start from here.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 15, 2020, 12:02:22 AM
First of all what is MOIS? Lets start from here.

This is why no single member takes you seriously and others like me use foul language towards you.  I must have defined MOIS at least five times and highlighted its credibility at least thrice.

Funny thing is that you almost instantly disregarded my evidence all the while not knowing what MOIS was!  And you dare accuse us of having preconceived biases toward Shias.

Anyways, lets start over again.

MOIS - Ministry of Intelligence and Security is Iran's primary intelligence agency.  Also known as "VAJA", it was previously known as "VEVAK (Vezarat-e Ettela'at va Amniyat-e Keshvar)", the portion in parentheses literally translates to, "Ministry of Information and Security of the Nation".
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 15, 2020, 12:50:45 AM
This is why no single member takes you seriously and others like me use foul language towards you.  I must have defined MOIS at least five times and highlighted its credibility at least thrice.

Funny thing is that you almost instantly disregarded my evidence all the while not knowing what MOIS was!  And you dare accuse us of having preconceived biases toward Shias.

Anyways, lets start over again.

MOIS - Ministry of Intelligence and Security is Iran's primary intelligence agency.  Also known as "VAJA", it was previously known as "VEVAK (Vezarat-e Ettela'at va Amniyat-e Keshvar)", the portion in parentheses literally translates to, "Ministry of Information and Security of the Nation".

You can take me as you like and use what ever language you want. It's your language and your tongue, not mine. And that's enough for me. There's a clear difference between me and the rest of you. And I'd like to keep and maintain that difference.

"Funny thing is that you almost instantly disregarded my evidence all the while not knowing what MOIS was!"

You always go by what you imagine, assume or think. When did I say to you that I didn't know what MOIS was 😊

"And you dare accuse us of having preconceived biases toward Shias"

You are absolutely full of hatred towards the Shia faith and people. To an extent that you're completely blind by it.

Now tell me who this Murtaza Hussain is. Well apart from being a Shia. What's his position and role. By all means be sarcastic, but don't be afraid.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: Khaled on January 15, 2020, 12:54:06 AM
When did I say to you that I didn't know what MOIS was 😊
First of all what is MOIS? Lets start from here.

Stop wasting everyone's time dude, you're only making Shi'as look bad with this level of foolishness
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 15, 2020, 01:08:01 AM
Stop wasting everyone's time dude, you're only making Shi'as look bad with this level of foolishness

Did I say I don't know what MOIS is so please can you tell me. 😊 What did I say, I don't know what MOIS is, never heard of them. 😊 I don't know how I'm making Shias look bad. But if I am why are you sweating it out. 😊
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 15, 2020, 01:12:01 AM
Let me start and carry this on since Muslim 720 and the rest have started sweating.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DrPclXZEBl0Q&ved=2ahUKEwiy_Jrii4TnAhW7UBUIHd930qC6IQwqsBMAB6BAgGEAQ&usg=AOvVaw1S2fv6hqb2jIgyYwTQfVsI

"Iran has taken control much of the Iraqi government"

What a ridiculous statement. Britain is seen as and considered, not as Great Britain anymore by many but, just as another American state. Some call Britain as "America's Poodle". Britain has never come out ever and criticised or condemned America over anything. They've always sided with America. And these are known facts, not any information from a leaked this or that or from a reporter or spy. Does this mean America has taken control over much of the British government. Will do this one step at a time.

"The document quotes the Iraqi prime minister saying that it has a special relationship with Iran"

Forget about the leaked cables the British government openly and frankly says that it has a special relationship with America. It openly declares about the special relationship. This is a fact. Nothing that needs to be examined or looked into. Does this mean America has taken control over much of the British government.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 15, 2020, 01:37:06 AM
You always go by what you imagine, assume or think. When did I say to you that I didn't know what MOIS was 😊

Also you: "First of all what is MOIS? Lets start from here."

Still think I am imagining or assuming things?
 

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You are absolutely full of hatred towards the Shia faith and people. To an extent that you're completely blind by it.

Fine!  I am blind so why don't you become my messiah and guide me.

Where is any counter evidence, of the same caliber as the leaked cables of MOIS, that absolves Soleimani?


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Now tell me who this Murtaza Hussain is. Well apart from being a Shia. What's his position and role. By all means be sarcastic, but don't be afraid.

Have you heard the saying "don't shoot the messenger"? 

For your reading pleasure, here is his short profile: "Murtaza Hussain is a journalist whose work focuses on national security, foreign policy, and human rights.  His work has previously been featured in the New York Times, The Guardian, and Al Jazeera English."

You can visit the following link to find his contact information as well: https://theintercept.com/staff/murtaza-hussain/

Now that you know what MOIS is and who Murtaza Hussain is, do you have any shred of evidence - on the same level as Iran's MOIS - to absolve Soleimani?
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 17, 2020, 12:12:44 AM
https://youtu.be/0_RnLEd9jU0
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 17, 2020, 12:30:20 AM
Also you: "First of all what is MOIS? Lets start from here."

Still think I am imagining or assuming things?
 

Fine!  I am blind so why don't you become my messiah and guide me.

Where is any counter evidence, of the same caliber as the leaked cables of MOIS, that absolves Soleimani?


Have you heard the saying "don't shoot the messenger"? 

For your reading pleasure, here is his short profile: "Murtaza Hussain is a journalist whose work focuses on national security, foreign policy, and human rights.  His work has previously been featured in the New York Times, The Guardian, and Al Jazeera English."

You can visit the following link to find his contact information as well: https://theintercept.com/staff/murtaza-hussain/

Now that you know what MOIS is and who Murtaza Hussain is, do you have any shred of evidence - on the same level as Iran's MOIS - to absolve Soleimani?

What seems to be the problem. America is 6000 miles away from its boarder and shores in the Middle East and the Persian Gulf. America is in someone else's region and neighbourhood. America wants regime change in the Middle East. And this is no secret or nothing new. America has and is overthrowing governments and replacing them with not democratic governments through people's choice but governments it can influence and control.

Iran is at its shores and boarders. Iran is in its own region and neighbourhood. Within that region you have Shias who have been mistreated and persecuted. This has been going on for sometime. Iran and the Shias within the region have been facing threats and problems from various Sunni terror groups who are trying to influence the region. And you expect Iran not to act in its defence and for the Shias within the region. You're worried about the cables. America and the West have an open policy to influence the region.

Saudi Arabia has influenced the region and still is with their Sunni Wahabi ideology. So what's the worry about Iran. You have an open and blunt policy for yourself but have issues with Iran and want to restrict and sanction Iran.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 20, 2020, 08:17:37 AM
What seems to be the problem. America is 6000 miles away from its boarder and shores in the Middle East and the Persian Gulf. America is in someone else's region and neighbourhood. America wants regime change in the Middle East. And this is no secret or nothing new. America has and is overthrowing governments and replacing them with not democratic governments through people's choice but governments it can influence and control.

Therefore, you have nothing of the same caliber as Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security which absolves Soleimani of any wrongdoing.


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Iran is at its shores and boarders. Iran is in its own region and neighbourhood. Within that region you have Shias who have been mistreated and persecuted. This has been going on for sometime. Iran and the Shias within the region have been facing threats and problems from various Sunni terror groups who are trying to influence the region. And you expect Iran not to act in its defence and for the Shias within the region. You're worried about the cables. America and the West have an open policy to influence the region.

So nothing that absolves Soleimani!


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Saudi Arabia has influenced the region and still is with their Sunni Wahabi ideology. So what's the worry about Iran. You have an open and blunt policy for yourself but have issues with Iran and want to restrict and sanction Iran.

Again nothing to counter what Iran's MOIS said about Soleimani and his crimes.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on January 23, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
Therefore, you have nothing of the same caliber as Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security which absolves Soleimani of any wrongdoing.


So nothing that absolves Soleimani!


Again nothing to counter what Iran's MOIS said about Soleimani and his crimes.

You didn't touch on any of my points let alone addressing them.

"Again nothing to counter what Iran's MOIS said about Soleimani and his crimes"

Iran's MOIS? Or and agent/spy gone rogue? Who's word are we going by?
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on January 23, 2020, 08:44:07 PM
You didn't touch on any of my points let alone addressing them.

You had no point!  Either defend Soleimani by refuting or producing counter-evidence to what was leaked from MOIS or shut up!


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Iran's MOIS? Or and agent/spy gone rogue? Who's word are we going by?

Denying the MOIS, or discrediting it, will not help you or the murdered butcher in hell.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 04, 2020, 06:32:25 PM
You had no point!  Either defend Soleimani by refuting or producing counter-evidence to what was leaked from MOIS or shut up!


Denying the MOIS, or discrediting it, will not help you or the murdered butcher in hell.

We're talking about someone who has gone either rogue or probably paid to cause mischief. Or could by something else. Did the head MOIS give a statement? What you've posted is that a statement of the head of the Iranian intelligence or government officials? This is where the credibility and weight is. According to you he's a butcher. According to me he's a shaheed.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on February 04, 2020, 08:34:20 PM
We're talking about someone who has gone either rogue or probably paid to cause mischief.

How do you know this?  Please cite me the name of this "someone who has gone either rogue or probably paid to cause mischief".

I have read parts of the excerpt in Farsi.  It does not mention a single name.  I am quite certain that either you do not understand the concept of "leaks" or you are playing dumb because this is too much for you to account for.


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Did the head MOIS give a statement?

This was a leak, not a statement issued by the MOIS.  And why do you need a statement by the head of MOIS?  In their own reports, it is said that Soleimani was killing innocent Sunnis.  This was their assessment behind closed doors within their own circles.


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What you've posted is that a statement of the head of the Iranian intelligence or government officials? This is where the credibility and weight is.

This was a report put together by MOIS which was leaked.  Far outweighs a statement!


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According to you he's a butcher. According to me he's a shaheed.

According to Ministry of Intelligence and Security of Iran, he was a butcher. 
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 06, 2020, 01:02:52 AM
How do you know this?  Please cite me the name of this "someone who has gone either rogue or probably paid to cause mischief".

I have read parts of the excerpt in Farsi.  It does not mention a single name.  I am quite certain that either you do not understand the concept of "leaks" or you are playing dumb because this is too much for you to account for.


This was a leak, not a statement issued by the MOIS.  And why do you need a statement by the head of MOIS?  In their own reports, it is said that Soleimani was killing innocent Sunnis.  This was their assessment behind closed doors within their own circles.


This was a report put together by MOIS which was leaked.  Far outweighs a statement!


According to Ministry of Intelligence and Security of Iran, he was a butcher.

"How do you know this?  Please cite me the name of this "someone who has gone either rogue or probably paid to cause mischief".

You put the source down. Now who brought the information forward and how accurate and exact is that information. How authentic is it and how reliable is the source. Is the information direct from the head of the Iranian intelligence. Or is it from someone who claims it's from the Iranian intelligence.

"I have read parts of the excerpt in Farsi.  It does not mention a single name.  I am quite certain that either you do not understand the concept of "leaks" or you are playing dumb because this is too much for you to account for"

If there is information that goes against Iran then you want people to automatically accept it. If it falls in favour of Iran then you're hell-bent in refuting it. The suspicions and doubts will come out. This is something I very clearly understand. I don't need to play dumb because there's absolutely nothing on this site which is too much for me. It's all propaganda based on prejudice element. That's why it's so easy for me to handle.

"This was a leak, not a statement issued by the MOIS.  And why do you need a statement by the head of MOIS? 

How accurate and exact is that leak depends on the source it's coming from. A direct statement from MOIS or its head would most definitely have some weight and credibility. You're putting it forward as it's accurate and exact information without even examining it and looking into it. If Iran wasn't Shia and we had the following information you most certainly wouldn't be putting it forward. And if someone did you most certainly would be refuting it. This is how easy you make it for me. It's not about facts or the truth but about the hatred you hold for Shias. That's how simple and clear this is.

"In their own reports, it is said that Soleimani was killing innocent Sunnis.  This was their assessment behind closed doors within their own circles"

Soleimani wasn't even heard or known of until his assassination. Killing innocent Sunnis? The man was building bridges between Shias and Sunnis bettering the relationship between the two which has been hammered by the likes of your kind. Soleimani was protecting innocent Sunnis along with Shias from the Sunni extremists.

"This was a report put together by MOIS which was leaked.  Far outweighs a statement"

Leaked by whom. Who is the source and how accurate and exact is the information along with how honest and reliable is the source.

"According to Ministry of Intelligence and Security of Iran, he was a butcher"

😀 You make me laugh. Does a butcher get such a spectacular funeral. 😊 He was seen as a hero in as well as outside Iran. He was a very influential and experienced Figure and played a key role in defeating ISIS in the region as well as on and near the Iranian border. Otherwise the Americans could never handle them regardless of their might and power. Soleimani was taken out because he was bringing people together in the region. This didn't fall well with the Americans. They want conflict and unrest within the region because it benefits them. Some Muslims are just too dumb to understand that. And some don't want to like you.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on February 06, 2020, 09:20:18 PM
Is the information direct from the head of the Iranian intelligence. Or is it from someone who claims it's from the Iranian intelligence.

Why would the head of the Iranian intelligence leak confidential documents?  However, if you wish to cast doubt upon the leak because it was not leaked by the head of the intelligence, please visit the following link to see detailed excerpts with their dates and Farsi originals: https://theintercept.com/2019/11/18/iran-iraq-spy-cables/


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If there is information that goes against Iran then you want people to automatically accept it. If it falls in favour of Iran then you're hell-bent in refuting it.

I am not sharing with you an opinion by an Iranian politician; this is 700 pages of documents leaked which were put together by the Iranian MOIS so there is no question of going for or against Iran.  It is only the stating of facts as per Iran's primary intelligence agency.

Unless you claim to know Soleimani more than the agency to which he reported, you have no case.


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It's all propaganda based on prejudice element.

If the Iranian MOIS is all propaganda to you, how can you accept anything said by the Iranian state?  I seriously want to know how is it that you are privy to information that eludes the eyes of MOIS.


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How accurate and exact is that leak depends on the source it's coming from. A direct statement from MOIS or its head would most definitely have some weight and credibility.

Why would the head of the intelligence jeopardize his own agency?  But you can be sure that the report was approved and archived with his blessing which is why they exist in the first place.


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You're putting it forward as it's accurate and exact information without even examining it and looking into it. If Iran wasn't Shia and we had the following information you most certainly wouldn't be putting it forward. And if someone did you most certainly would be refuting it. This is how easy you make it for me. It's not about facts or the truth but about the hatred you hold for Shias. That's how simple and clear this is.

I will pause till you have your diapers changed.


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The man was building bridges between Shias and Sunnis bettering the relationship between the two which has been hammered by the likes of your kind. Soleimani was protecting innocent Sunnis along with Shias from the Sunni extremists.

Now that you have your diapers changed, I hope you can grasp this one simple fact: the agency to which Soleimani used to report says that he was guilty of killing innocent Sunnis.  Between your words and leaked spy cables from MOIS, I side with the latter.


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😀 You make me laugh. Does a butcher get such a spectacular funeral. 😊

When the Saudi King, Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, passed away in 2015, there was a large US contingent in Riyadh to honor him, let alone Saudis.  Clearly, you must think he was a great man because he had a spectacular funeral.


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Soleimani was taken out because he was bringing people together in the region.

Not according to MOIS, Iraqis and Lebanese!  So try harder next time.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 07, 2020, 12:29:54 AM
Why would the head of the Iranian intelligence leak confidential documents?  However, if you wish to cast doubt upon the leak because it was not leaked by the head of the intelligence, please visit the following link to see detailed excerpts with their dates and Farsi originals: https://theintercept.com/2019/11/18/iran-iraq-spy-cables/


I am not sharing with you an opinion by an Iranian politician; this is 700 pages of documents leaked which were put together by the Iranian MOIS so there is no question of going for or against Iran.  It is only the stating of facts as per Iran's primary intelligence agency.

Unless you claim to know Soleimani more than the agency to which he reported, you have no case.


If the Iranian MOIS is all propaganda to you, how can you accept anything said by the Iranian state?  I seriously want to know how is it that you are privy to information that eludes the eyes of MOIS.


Why would the head of the intelligence jeopardize his own agency?  But you can be sure that the report was approved and archived with his blessing which is why they exist in the first place.


I will pause till you have your diapers changed.


Now that you have your diapers changed, I hope you can grasp this one simple fact: the agency to which Soleimani used to report says that he was guilty of killing innocent Sunnis.  Between your words and leaked spy cables from MOIS, I side with the latter.


When the Saudi King, Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, passed away in 2015, there was a large US contingent in Riyadh to honor him, let alone Saudis.  Clearly, you must think he was a great man because he had a spectacular funeral.


Not according to MOIS, Iraqis and Lebanese!  So try harder next time.

"The Story Behind the Iran Cables

The source said they wanted to “let the world know what Iran is doing in my country Iraq.”  They sent The Intercept 700 pages of secret intelligence reports from Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and Security, or MOIS, but never revealed their own identity.  This kind of leak is unprecedented for Iran, a country with a highly secretive government and spy agencies that guard their confidential information zealously"

"The source said they wanted to"

Who's the source?

"let the world know what Iran is doing in my country Iraq.” 

So the source ain't Iranian to begin with.

"They sent" Again they who?

"The Intercept 700 pages of secret intelligence reports from Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and Security, or MOIS"

They, who ever they are and who most certainly aren't Iranian, somehow miraculously got hold of very important documents? Wow. This sounds like some part of a film.

"but never revealed their own identity"

Why? Because they would be questioned by the world media and wouldn't be able to answer relevant questions? Or is there some other excuse. Anyways, you make MOIS sound like children's play school.

"Unless you claim to know Soleimani more than the agency to which he reported, you have no case"

You have no case. The agency that Soleimani reported to had evidence against him, on that note firing him would be so easy for any agency to do. Which world are you living in.

"If the Iranian MOIS is all propaganda to you"

It's not from MOIS but from an unknown source which can't identify themselves for some weird reason.

"Why would the head of the intelligence jeopardize his own agency"

The head of the agency that Soleimani worked for had evidence on how he was behaving and acting and he didn't bother to do anything about it when it was on paper? I'm really having concerns understanding this.

"But you can be sure that the report was approved and archived with his blessing which is why they exist in the first place"

But nothing was done about it when an agency can and does act on any agent stepping out of line. Wow. This is hard to understand.

"I will pause till you have your diapers changed"

😀 I'm not going to go down to your level. I have no interest in the gutter. 😊

"the agency to which Soleimani used to report says that he was guilty of killing innocent Sunnis"

And nobody took him into custody and put him on trial? Never mind about that he wasn't even fired? Wow. Some fact you've got here.

"When the Saudi King, Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, passed away in 2015, there was a large US contingent in Riyadh to honor him, let alone Saudis"

And what is your point, that there were foreigners in Iran who came out in millions for Soleimani's funeral 😊 Wake up man. You're so blind with hatred about the Shias that you can't think straight at all.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on February 07, 2020, 01:19:01 AM
"The Story Behind the Iran Cables

The source said they wanted to “let the world know what Iran is doing in my country Iraq.”  They sent The Intercept 700 pages of secret intelligence reports from Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and Security, or MOIS, but never revealed their own identity.  This kind of leak is unprecedented for Iran, a country with a highly secretive government and spy agencies that guard their confidential information zealously"

"The source said they wanted to"

Who's the source?

Don't forget this bit in your overzealous selective reading: "The Intercept and the Times verified the authenticity of the documents but do not know who leaked them. The Intercept communicated over encrypted channels with the source, who declined to meet with a reporter".


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So the source ain't Iranian to begin with.

Who said leaks are authentic only if they come from within an organization or from a citizen of a state?


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They, who ever they are and who most certainly aren't Iranian, somehow miraculously got hold of very important documents?

Have you heard of WikiLeaks?  While they too publish classified information provided by anonymous sources, these sources, rest assured, do not obtain by any sensitive material by miracle.  I suggest you read up on how classified information is leaked and in what (different) ways.


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Why? Because they would be questioned by the world media and wouldn't be able to answer relevant questions? Or is there some other excuse.

A more probabilistic answer would be safety.  The leaked documents highlight Iran's influence on Iraq and the source would not have seen the light of the following day had he identified himself.


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It's not from MOIS but from an unknown source which can't identify themselves for some weird reason.

From an unknown source but the authenticity of these documents have been verified.


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The head of the agency that Soleimani worked for had evidence on how he was behaving and acting and he didn't bother to do anything about it when it was on paper? I'm really having concerns understanding this.

...because you consider Iran to be infallible.  The argument is that Soleimani's crimes were so grotesque and so many that even Iran's MOIS called for reprimanding him.  And these reports only highlight his activities between 2013 and 2015.  God knows what more he did in the last (approximate) 5 years of his life.


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But nothing was done about it when an agency can and does act on any agent stepping out of line. Wow. This is hard to understand.

...once again, he was doing the agency's dirty work so the agency did not take action against him.  It ONLY became a concern when his crimes (the reason why he was planted in Iraq by Iran) became too obvious for the Iraqis to see so in order to not have their cover blown, the Iran's MOIS sought to reprimand him.  In other words, they wanted to ask him to ease off temporarily so as to not create further waves.


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And nobody took him into custody and put him on trial? Never mind about that he wasn't even fired? Wow. Some fact you've got here.

Says a lot about Iran and their (false) claim to resist against oppression visited upon the Ummah, right?


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And what is your point, that there were foreigners in Iran who came out in millions for Soleimani's funeral 😊 Wake up man. You're so blind with hatred about the Shias that you can't think straight at all.

A pompous funeral was your escape route.  If a pompous funeral is sufficient to make one a great human being, you cannot help but say the same about the Saudi King.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 08, 2020, 12:59:21 AM
Don't forget this bit in your overzealous selective reading: "The Intercept and the Times verified the authenticity of the documents but do not know who leaked them. The Intercept communicated over encrypted channels with the source, who declined to meet with a reporter".


Who said leaks are authentic only if they come from within an organization or from a citizen of a state?


Have you heard of WikiLeaks?  While they too publish classified information provided by anonymous sources, these sources, rest assured, do not obtain by any sensitive material by miracle.  I suggest you read up on how classified information is leaked and in what (different) ways.


A more probabilistic answer would be safety.  The leaked documents highlight Iran's influence on Iraq and the source would not have seen the light of the following day had he identified himself.


From an unknown source but the authenticity of these documents have been verified.


...because you consider Iran to be infallible.  The argument is that Soleimani's crimes were so grotesque and so many that even Iran's MOIS called for reprimanding him.  And these reports only highlight his activities between 2013 and 2015.  God knows what more he did in the last (approximate) 5 years of his life.


...once again, he was doing the agency's dirty work so the agency did not take action against him.  It ONLY became a concern when his crimes (the reason why he was planted in Iraq by Iran) became too obvious for the Iraqis to see so in order to not have their cover blown, the Iran's MOIS sought to reprimand him.  In other words, they wanted to ask him to ease off temporarily so as to not create further waves.


Says a lot about Iran and their (false) claim to resist against oppression visited upon the Ummah, right?


A pompous funeral was your escape route.  If a pompous funeral is sufficient to make one a great human being, you cannot help but say the same about the Saudi King.

"The Intercept and the Times verified the authenticity of the documents"

And how did they do that? Did they get intouch with MOIS and MOIS confirmed it?

"The Intercept communicated over encrypted channels with the source, who declined to meet with a reporter".

Why did the source decline to meet? What's there to hide or be secretive about?

"Who said leaks are authentic only if they come from within an organization or from a citizen of a state"

Again how did they confirm that the documents were authentic?

"Have you heard of WikiLeaks?  While they too publish classified information provided by anonymous sources"

Again how do you confirm that the information is authentic?

"I suggest you read up on how classified information is leaked and in what (different) ways"

I'm not talking about leaks and ways, how do you confirm it's authentic, it's true and exact?

"Iran's influence on Iraq"

Iran's influence on Iraq shouldn't be an issue or a matter of concern since how the Iraqi Shias have been treated and the majority of Iraq is probably Shia. Iran has every right to protect Shias in other parts within its region. The US is 6000 miles away its shores in the Persian Gulf and has been trying to influence the region away from its shores, so why are people worried about Iran when it has reason and cause and that is to protect others. If the governments protect and treat Shias equally and the same as other citizens then Iran wouldn't have any business.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on February 08, 2020, 01:11:37 AM
And how did they do that? Did they get intouch with MOIS and MOIS confirmed it?

It does not say how they did that, however, getting in touch with MOIS is not the only way to do so.  For example, if the leak is a result of a compromised email, DKIM can be used to verify authenticity.


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Why did the source decline to meet? What's there to hide or be secretive about?

Didn't I already answer this?  Maybe the source fears for his life.  It is amazing that you can go to unimaginable lengths to question this document but the most straightforward reason why the source wants to remain anonymous eludes you.


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Iran has every right to protect Shias in other parts within its region.

So who decides when it is time for Iran to step in?  If you say all Muslim countries vote then you should know that no such thing happened when Iran started interfering in Iraq, Syria, even Lebanon.  And if you say that only Iran should decide when it is time to protect the Shias then what is the difference between Iran and USA?  After all, USA, too, decides on its own when it is time to intervene in other countries to save democracy or it's allies when they are "under threat".
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 08, 2020, 01:47:46 AM
It does not say how they did that, however, getting in touch with MOIS is not the only way to do so.  For example, if the leak is a result of a compromised email, DKIM can be used to verify authenticity.


Didn't I already answer this?  Maybe the source fears for his life.  It is amazing that you can go to unimaginable lengths to question this document but the most straightforward reason why the source wants to remain anonymous eludes you.


So who decides when it is time for Iran to step in?  If you say all Muslim countries vote then you should know that no such thing happened when Iran started interfering in Iraq, Syria, even Lebanon.  And if you say that only Iran should decide when it is time to protect the Shias then what is the difference between Iran and USA?  After all, USA, too, decides on its own when it is time to intervene in other countries to save democracy or it's allies when they are "under threat".

"So who decides when it is time for Iran to step in?  If you say all Muslim countries vote then you should know that no such thing happened when Iran started interfering in Iraq, Syria, even Lebanon.  And if you say that only Iran should decide when it is time to protect the Shias then what is the difference between Iran and USA?  After all, USA, too, decides on its own when it is time to intervene in other countries to save democracy or it's allies when they are "under threat"

Exactly my point. So what seems to be the problem when it comes to Iran? The Saudis have been spending millions of dollars trying to spread Wahabi Islam, the west has been trying to influence the region with their version of freedom and democracy and Iran doesn't have any right to protect oppressed Shias within its own region nor does it have the right to protect itself from further threats or invasion like Saddam tried to invade Iran in September 1980. America sells billions of dollars of weapons to Saudi Arabia over a ten year period. But Iran shouldn't be worried or concerned about amy threat even when it faced an invasion from an Arab country in 1980. Doesn't Iran have the right to protect itself.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on February 08, 2020, 02:08:55 AM
Exactly my point. So what seems to be the problem when it comes to Iran? The Saudis have been spending millions of dollars trying to spread Wahabi Islam, the west has been trying to influence the region with their version of freedom and democracy and Iran doesn't have any right to protect oppressed Shias within its own region nor does it have the right to protect itself from further threats or invasion like Saddam tried to invade Iran in September 1980. America sells billions of dollars of weapons to Saudi Arabia over a ten year period. But Iran shouldn't be worried or concerned about amy threat even when it faced an invasion from an Arab country in 1980. Doesn't Iran have the right to protect itself.

Glad you had no answer for anything else I stated.

Coming to this last point, my argument was - and has been - that Iran is no better than USA, Saudi Arabia and others.  I want to know why is it that you condemn the latter two but not the first.

You are trying to turn the discussion into a cause-effect argument which does not serve you in the least.  Your cause is the Saudi spending to spread Wahabism and as its effect, you are proposing that Iran is doing the same to counter Saudi Arabia.  What you do not realize is that Iran underwent a revolution and changed its ways, not the rest of the world.  So if anything, reality is the opposite of what you are saying.  Iran is the cause; Iranian interference is not the effect.

With that out of the way, I would like to compliment you on your logical jump.  How you go from questioning if Iran has "any right to protect oppressed Shias" to "Doesn't Iran have the right to protect itself" is marvelous.  Unless you think all the Shias are the property of Iran, I see a huge loophole that you cannot plug.  But precisely that is the issue with Iran; it considers its revolution to go beyond its borders and come to the rescue of any "disposed" (a.k.a. Shia) in the world.  And yet Shias hate US for doing exactly what Iran does and openly states in its constitution.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 08, 2020, 02:37:23 AM
Glad you had no answer for anything else I stated.

Coming to this last point, my argument was - and has been - that Iran is no better than USA, Saudi Arabia and others.  I want to know why is it that you condemn the latter two but not the first.

You are trying to turn the discussion into a cause-effect argument which does not serve you in the least.  Your cause is the Saudi spending to spread Wahabism and as its effect, you are proposing that Iran is doing the same to counter Saudi Arabia.  What you do not realize is that Iran underwent a revolution and changed its ways, not the rest of the world.  So if anything, reality is the opposite of what you are saying.  Iran is the cause; Iranian interference is not the effect.

With that out of the way, I would like to compliment you on your logical jump.  How you go from questioning if Iran has "any right to protect oppressed Shias" to "Doesn't Iran have the right to protect itself" is marvelous.  Unless you think all the Shias are the property of Iran, I see a huge loophole that you cannot plug.  But precisely that is the issue with Iran; it considers its revolution to go beyond its borders and come to the rescue of any "disposed" (a.k.a. Shia) in the world.  And yet Shias hate US for doing exactly what Iran does and openly states in its constitution.

"Glad you had no answer for anything else I stated"

I've given you plenty of answers in the form of questions and queries. You haven't addressed any and are just going in circles. Have the reports been confirmed from either MOIS or the Iranian government? Otherwise they don't have much credibility. Propaganda against Iran has been their since the revolution.

"Coming to this last point, my argument was - and has been - that Iran is no better than USA, Saudi Arabia and others.  I want to know why is it that you condemn the latter two but not the first"

I ask you that you're always quick to criticise and condemn Iran but never bother with any other country. But only when mentioned and challenged you come out with just a few words, not to criticise and condemn other countries for what they're doing and involved in, only to obtain criticism for Iran. Iran is Shia and that's exactly where you come from and where your problem lies with Iran.

Iran is better than the others. You start protecting the Shias then Iran will have no business outside its borders. Tell the international community to deal with and treat Saudi Arabia just as they deal with and treat Iran.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on February 08, 2020, 02:52:53 AM
I've given you plenty of answers in the form of questions and queries.

Only an idiot would account for facts by posing questions.  Worse, only an idiot par excellence would admit it.


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Have the reports been confirmed from either MOIS or the Iranian government? Otherwise they don't have much credibility.

Why would Iran confirm damning evidence against its own self?  It is not like leaks, in other cases, have been confirmed by those who own the information that you are demanding the same in this case.

It is a breach of Iranian integrity when it comes to sensitive information.  It is already damning enough; to acknowledge it would be doubly damning.


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Propaganda against Iran has been their since the revolution.

This is your sickness.  Nothing will ever cut it for you.  Even if Jibreel (as) came and testified against Iran.


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I ask you that you're always quick to criticise and condemn Iran but never bother with any other country.

Up until recently - basically until I started listening to the Saudi side - I maintained that Iran is a million times better than Saudi Arabia.  So you can stuff your ad hominem where the sun does not shine.


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Iran is better than the others.

How?  And please, no more questions to answer this question.  Ask me how Saudi Arabia is better and I will give you straight facts.  I won't take you around in circles.  And you had the gall to accuse me of going in circles.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 10, 2020, 12:19:39 AM
Only an idiot would account for facts by posing questions.  Worse, only an idiot par excellence would admit it.


Why would Iran confirm damning evidence against its own self?  It is not like leaks, in other cases, have been confirmed by those who own the information that you are demanding the same in this case.

It is a breach of Iranian integrity when it comes to sensitive information.  It is already damning enough; to acknowledge it would be doubly damning.


This is your sickness.  Nothing will ever cut it for you.  Even if Jibreel (as) came and testified against Iran.


Up until recently - basically until I started listening to the Saudi side - I maintained that Iran is a million times better than Saudi Arabia.  So you can stuff your ad hominem where the sun does not shine.


How?  And please, no more questions to answer this question.  Ask me how Saudi Arabia is better and I will give you straight facts.  I won't take you around in circles.  And you had the gall to accuse me of going in circles.

"Only an idiot would account for facts by posing questions.  Worse, only an idiot par excellence would admit it"

Correction, you only have idiots who always duck and dive when ever something is asked or pointed out.

"Why would Iran confirm damning evidence against its own self?  It is not like leaks, in other cases, have been confirmed by those who own the information that you are demanding the same in this case"

You call it a leak, it would be a leak if confirmed by the authority or agency in question. Then the leak would be confirmed and recognised as a leak. Does MOIS confirm it? Do they accept it? Then it's a leak. Otherwise you know you're talking wind as usual.

"It is a breach of Iranian integrity when it comes to sensitive information"

Firstly does the agency confirm it? If it's not confirmed then it's false information.

"It is already damning enough; to acknowledge it would be doubly damning"

This is Iran we're talking about and since they're Shia, so everything that goes against them will automatically be accepted by you. And what ever falls in favour will most definitely be refuted by you, because they're Shia. If Iran was Sunni then we wouldn't be talking about them. That's the whole point. And that's what it evolves around.

"This is your sickness.  Nothing will ever cut it for you.

For me it's not about Iran but about reality, facts, honesty and the truth. Want to challenge me on that? For you is all about being an anti Shia.

"Even if Jibreel (as) came and testified against Iran"

Where is Gabriel? Don't use tactics to manipulate me.

"Up until recently - basically until I started listening to the Saudi side - I maintained that Iran is a million times better than Saudi Arabia"

Listening? That's your problem, you listen and take sides. You don't look into things with an open mind and learn. That's why you don't think or speak rationally


"So you can stuff your ad hominem where the sun does not shine"

I don't mind doing that but first you need to show me exactly where the sun don't shine 😊
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 10, 2020, 01:22:44 AM
Only an idiot would account for facts by posing questions.  Worse, only an idiot par excellence would admit it.


Why would Iran confirm damning evidence against its own self?  It is not like leaks, in other cases, have been confirmed by those who own the information that you are demanding the same in this case.

It is a breach of Iranian integrity when it comes to sensitive information.  It is already damning enough; to acknowledge it would be doubly damning.


This is your sickness.  Nothing will ever cut it for you.  Even if Jibreel (as) came and testified against Iran.


Up until recently - basically until I started listening to the Saudi side - I maintained that Iran is a million times better than Saudi Arabia.  So you can stuff your ad hominem where the sun does not shine.


How?  And please, no more questions to answer this question.  Ask me how Saudi Arabia is better and I will give you straight facts.  I won't take you around in circles.  And you had the gall to accuse me of going in circles.

"How?  And please, no more questions to answer this question.  Ask me how Saudi Arabia is better and I will give you straight facts.  I won't take you around in circles.  And you had the gall to accuse me of going in circles"

You don't have an open mind. You don't think or speak rationally. So facts really wouldn't mean anything to you. But anyways how is Saudi Arabia better than Iran? Go on, lets here it.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on February 10, 2020, 07:20:25 AM
You don't have an open mind. You don't think or speak rationally. So facts really wouldn't mean anything to you. But anyways how is Saudi Arabia better than Iran? Go on, lets here it.

1.  Saudi Arabia is not a state sponsor of terrorism.  On the contrary, it works with the international community to provide intelligence to curb terrorism.  Iran, on the other hand, has staged attacks on at least three continents: Asia, South America and Europe.  Iran has helped rogue individuals (like Saif Al-Adel) to attack foreigners in Saudi Arabia - in fact, provided them the explosives - which could have had severe repercussions for the Holy Land in the form of sanctions and/or retaliation.  Going a step further, Iran sheltered Saif El-Adel and others like him; some are still living in Iran.

2.  Saudi Arabia promotes Wahabism but does so without encroaching upon other schools.  Iran, on the other hand, not only spreads Wilayah Faqih in Shi'i regions but also sends missionaries to Sunni-majority areas in Asia, Middle-East and Africa which only worsens an already-raging sectarian war.

3.  Saudi Arabia, as hard as it may be for you to believe, has proposals and solutions.  For too long, I was a fan of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and I would wait impatiently for all of his UN addresses and CNN interviews.  However, he hardly had any workable solutions, now that I look back.  On the other hand, listening to the Foreign Minister of Saudi Arabia, I not only found him to make some valid points but also propose viable solutions to the problems of the region.

For example, the Saudi Foreign Minister has never said (at least on record) that he wants a regime change in Iran; he actually denies that Saudi Arabia wants regime change in Iran.  He says that Saudi Arabia wishes for Iran to change it's policies.  Go to any Shi'i mosque for comparison and they will foam at the mouth at the very notion of "Aal-e-Saud" and pray for the collapse of the Saudi government.  Little do they know that while they can crawl to Karbala and Najaf, we (Sunnis) have Mecca and Madina only.  An unstable Saudi Arabia will spell disaster for our Two Holy Mosques.


4.  Lastly, Saudi Arabia has a vision.  Better late than never, the Saudis have now realized that their backward culture has not only prevented them from realizing their true potential but that it has empowered Iran.  And that this tension has kept the region divided and weak.  Hence, Vision 2030!  Saudi Arabia is trying to bring reform without compromising the Shariah and it has its arms open for the rest of the Middle East, including Iran, to uplift the region via synergy and cooperation.

And I won't even include the number of Qur'ans that are printed in Saudi Arabia and distributed for free around the world.  Living in New Delhi when I was a child, I remember Afghans would go to the Saudi embassy to obtain copies of the Qur'an translated in English and other languages, all with basic tafseer, etc.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 11, 2020, 12:54:35 AM
1.  Saudi Arabia is not a state sponsor of terrorism.  On the contrary, it works with the international community to provide intelligence to curb terrorism.  Iran, on the other hand, has staged attacks on at least three continents: Asia, South America and Europe.  Iran has helped rogue individuals (like Saif Al-Adel) to attack foreigners in Saudi Arabia - in fact, provided them the explosives - which could have had severe repercussions for the Holy Land in the form of sanctions and/or retaliation.  Going a step further, Iran sheltered Saif El-Adel and others like him; some are still living in Iran.

2.  Saudi Arabia promotes Wahabism but does so without encroaching upon other schools.  Iran, on the other hand, not only spreads Wilayah Faqih in Shi'i regions but also sends missionaries to Sunni-majority areas in Asia, Middle-East and Africa which only worsens an already-raging sectarian war.

3.  Saudi Arabia, as hard as it may be for you to believe, has proposals and solutions.  For too long, I was a fan of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and I would wait impatiently for all of his UN addresses and CNN interviews.  However, he hardly had any workable solutions, now that I look back.  On the other hand, listening to the Foreign Minister of Saudi Arabia, I not only found him to make some valid points but also propose viable solutions to the problems of the region.

For example, the Saudi Foreign Minister has never said (at least on record) that he wants a regime change in Iran; he actually denies that Saudi Arabia wants regime change in Iran.  He says that Saudi Arabia wishes for Iran to change it's policies.  Go to any Shi'i mosque for comparison and they will foam at the mouth at the very notion of "Aal-e-Saud" and pray for the collapse of the Saudi government.  Little do they know that while they can crawl to Karbala and Najaf, we (Sunnis) have Mecca and Madina only.  An unstable Saudi Arabia will spell disaster for our Two Holy Mosques.


4.  Lastly, Saudi Arabia has a vision.  Better late than never, the Saudis have now realized that their backward culture has not only prevented them from realizing their true potential but that it has empowered Iran.  And that this tension has kept the region divided and weak.  Hence, Vision 2030!  Saudi Arabia is trying to bring reform without compromising the Shariah and it has its arms open for the rest of the Middle East, including Iran, to uplift the region via synergy and cooperation.

And I won't even include the number of Qur'ans that are printed in Saudi Arabia and distributed for free around the world.  Living in New Delhi when I was a child, I remember Afghans would go to the Saudi embassy to obtain copies of the Qur'an translated in English and other languages, all with basic tafseer, etc.

"Saudi Arabia is not a state sponsor of terrorism.  On the contrary, it works with the international community to provide intelligence to curb terrorism"

LOL.

https://youtu.be/sCUbFJeRfME

https://youtu.be/3l1qt7B8CCo
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 11, 2020, 02:07:09 AM
"Saudi Arabia is not a state sponsor of terrorism.  On the contrary, it works with the international community to provide intelligence to curb terrorism"

LOL.

https://youtu.be/sCUbFJeRfME

https://youtu.be/3l1qt7B8CCo

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.newsweek.com/why-saudi-arabia-join-north-korea-us-state-terrorism-list-911-717640%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwivnqLLi8jnAhUuUhUIHbHPCG4QFjACegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0oGQCyViw2zre5NKGByd7v&ampcf=1
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: iceman on February 11, 2020, 02:37:21 AM
1.  Saudi Arabia is not a state sponsor of terrorism.  On the contrary, it works with the international community to provide intelligence to curb terrorism.  Iran, on the other hand, has staged attacks on at least three continents: Asia, South America and Europe.  Iran has helped rogue individuals (like Saif Al-Adel) to attack foreigners in Saudi Arabia - in fact, provided them the explosives - which could have had severe repercussions for the Holy Land in the form of sanctions and/or retaliation.  Going a step further, Iran sheltered Saif El-Adel and others like him; some are still living in Iran.

2.  Saudi Arabia promotes Wahabism but does so without encroaching upon other schools.  Iran, on the other hand, not only spreads Wilayah Faqih in Shi'i regions but also sends missionaries to Sunni-majority areas in Asia, Middle-East and Africa which only worsens an already-raging sectarian war.

3.  Saudi Arabia, as hard as it may be for you to believe, has proposals and solutions.  For too long, I was a fan of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and I would wait impatiently for all of his UN addresses and CNN interviews.  However, he hardly had any workable solutions, now that I look back.  On the other hand, listening to the Foreign Minister of Saudi Arabia, I not only found him to make some valid points but also propose viable solutions to the problems of the region.

For example, the Saudi Foreign Minister has never said (at least on record) that he wants a regime change in Iran; he actually denies that Saudi Arabia wants regime change in Iran.  He says that Saudi Arabia wishes for Iran to change it's policies.  Go to any Shi'i mosque for comparison and they will foam at the mouth at the very notion of "Aal-e-Saud" and pray for the collapse of the Saudi government.  Little do they know that while they can crawl to Karbala and Najaf, we (Sunnis) have Mecca and Madina only.  An unstable Saudi Arabia will spell disaster for our Two Holy Mosques.


4.  Lastly, Saudi Arabia has a vision.  Better late than never, the Saudis have now realized that their backward culture has not only prevented them from realizing their true potential but that it has empowered Iran.  And that this tension has kept the region divided and weak.  Hence, Vision 2030!  Saudi Arabia is trying to bring reform without compromising the Shariah and it has its arms open for the rest of the Middle East, including Iran, to uplift the region via synergy and cooperation.

And I won't even include the number of Qur'ans that are printed in Saudi Arabia and distributed for free around the world.  Living in New Delhi when I was a child, I remember Afghans would go to the Saudi embassy to obtain copies of the Qur'an translated in English and other languages, all with basic tafseer, etc.

"Iran, on the other hand, has staged attacks on at least three continents: Asia, South America and Europe"

Back it up.

"Iran has helped rogue individuals (like Saif Al-Adel) to attack foreigners in Saudi Arabia"

Rogue individuals? What do you mean by that. Who are MEK MUJAHIDEEN E KHALQ. And where does their leader live. And the havoc and killing they've caused in Iran since after the revolution, who's responsible for that. Who's harbouring, aiding and helping this terror group MEK against Iran.

"Saudi Arabia promotes Wahabism but does so without encroaching upon other schools.  Iran, on the other hand, not only spreads Wilayah Faqih in Shi'i regions but also sends missionaries to Sunni-majority areas in Asia, Middle-East and Africa which only worsens an already-raging sectarian war"

The Saudi stance on promoting Wahabism, why doesn't this worsen an already-raging sectarian war?

And Iran stance on spreading Wilayat e Faqih, how does this worsen an already-raging sectarian war? And who started and is responsible for this already-raging sectarian war?

:Saudi Arabia, as hard as it may be for you to believe, has proposals and solutions"

According to the US and UK the Saudis are the biggest sponsors of terrorism but are too afraid to sanction Saudi Arabia because they'll lose a lot of business which they survive on.

"On the other hand, listening to the Foreign Minister of Saudi Arabia, I not only found him to make some valid points but also propose viable solutions to the problems of the region"

What are those valid points and viable solutions to the problems of the region? Lets hear them.
Title: Re: Rockets fired at Iraq base housing US troops
Post by: muslim720 on February 11, 2020, 08:35:43 PM
Back it up.

Allow me to at least link Iran to two terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia alone: Khobar Tower Bombings in 1996 (perpetrated by Hezbollah, which killed US servicemen and could have been used against Saudi Arabia subjecting it to sanctions and/or invasion) and Riyadh Compounds Bombings in 2003 (Saif El-Adel, the perpetrator, was given safe haven in Iran).

This on top of countless Saudi diplomats killed in places like Karachi, Bangkok (two diplomats) and elsewhere.


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Rogue individuals? What do you mean by that. Who are MEK MUJAHIDEEN E KHALQ. And where does their leader live. And the havoc and killing they've caused in Iran since after the revolution, who's responsible for that. Who's harbouring, aiding and helping this terror group MEK against Iran.

Do tell us!


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The Saudi stance on promoting Wahabism, why doesn't this worsen an already-raging sectarian war?

It is possible that spread of Wahabism can worsen the sectarian divide but Saudi Arabia keeps its activities outside Shia-majority regions.  Iran actually targets Sunni countries causing division not just within a country but even within families.  You have family members at each others' throats because one got brainwashed by the Iranian missionaries.


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According to the US and UK the Saudis are the biggest sponsors of terrorism but are too afraid to sanction Saudi Arabia because they'll lose a lot of business which they survive on.

Reference and source please!


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What are those valid points and viable solutions to the problems of the region? Lets hear them.

Ahmed Al-Jubeir has many videos on YouTube; check them out!

Here is my favorite....watch how he kicks the ass of the dignitary from "the Iran".