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Taha

Studying Arabic Abroad
« on: January 12, 2015, 11:50:58 AM »
Salaams.

Okay guys, here's the deal. I'm a monoglot English speaker. Studying Islam is getting hard because I've read most of the things that can be read in English (very basic level) so I'm ready to up it by learning Arabic.  Now, the problem is, I'm lazy and wont bother if I have to do it myself out of a textbook or audio course, so I was thinking of studying abroad. I've got a wide open schedule indefinitely, no responsibilities, etc.  The reasons for studying abroad are because I want a regular classroom type environment, but I also want immersion (eg I'm forced to use Arabic in day-to-day life). Without the immersion factor, I'll just slack off and stop trying. My goals are to learn fus7a for sure and hopefully the Mesopotamian (Iraqi) dialect at some point (not the top priority). Soooo I've been looking at different countries, but can't seem to find the perfect one.

Oman & Jordan = AWESOME but expensive as hell
Morocco = weird dialect that has NOTHING to do with fus7a or the other dialects either
Lebanon = don't want to get killed by run-away Syrian rebels or the IDF

I'm American, have high school and college diplomas + certificates (no degree, yet). Good health except I look like Muawiyah (fat). Only speak English and a little German.

Any suggestions?  I'm looking for a place that has good Arabic schools for foreigners, fairly inexpensive, and a dialect that is somewhat related to fus7a and/or easily understood by most other Arabs.

I will slap anyone that suggests I go to the "Islamic State".

Help a brotha out.
Thanks.

Hadrami

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2015, 12:26:14 PM »
apply scholarship in Saudi, just say you used to be a shia. You'll get free study plus pocket many and not to mention practising 9/10 of your deen   :P

Taha

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2015, 12:33:00 PM »
apply scholarship in Saudi, just say you used to be a shia. You'll get free study plus pocket many and not to mention practising 9/10 of your deen   :P

Wait are you serious? Why don't all ex-Shias study in Saudi?!

Jokes aside, any tips on what schools?  And where do I apply for the scholarship?

Hadrami

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2015, 12:59:00 PM »
im not joking, a sunni who is so pro-shia finished his undergraduate & post graduate in Saudi government institution. I think it was ummulqura. He hates everything about wahabi/salafi & basically almost anything about saudi ;D He studied there all paid & everything by them. He wrote essay about shia corrupt belief while he was there, just to kiss some arse i guess  ;D and once he finished, he "changed". I reckon its a 9/10 trick  ;D Clever but devious guy. Just go to any Saudi consulate or rep there and ask.

Taha

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2015, 01:19:04 PM »
@Hadrami, thanks so much for the info bro. I looked up Umm al Qura and they've got a pretty sweet scholarship; free tuition, free books, free accommodation, free health-care, & free trips home every Summer. This is flipping amazing. I take back that lanat I sent on Saudi two days ago. Just a few questions though. Here is a list of their required documents.

1.) Photo copy of high school diploma & transcript with at least a B overall grade .
2.) Two letters of recommendation from known Islamic Organizations or personalities.
3.) Four recent photos & a copy of your passport.
4.) Copy of birth & health certificates.
5.) Applcant’s age should not exceed 23 years.
6.) Female applicants should have a mahram who is a university student or applicant .
7.) The applicant should obtain  permission from his/her government to study in Saudi Arabia.
8.) All documents must be translated to the Arabic or English language and attested by the Saudi Embassy in your country.

I don't have an actual diploma or transcript. I left high school early and got the equivalent diploma by taking a test (high school was a waste of time lol). Will this be sufficient?  The marks on my test are above B-average.
Where am I supposed to get 2 letters of recommendation?  lol
What is a health certificate?  Is it just something my doctor can do?
How do I obtain government permission to study in Saudi?  I don't think my government cares where I study ... Should I shoot Obama an email or something?
What does it mean to have the documents attested by the Saudi embassy?  Do I have to physically go there in person? (it is on the complete opposite side of the country from me ...)

Sorry for the questions. I'm an idiot. :D

Furkan

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2015, 01:59:23 PM »
Mauritania is pretty good. Their knowledge and status is uncompared and respected. You should search it up.
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Hadrami

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2015, 02:25:25 PM »
I cant answer those questions, im not saudi official. Only know about this from my cousin who used to work at saudi embassy, only available for single guy like you I think. Just go and ask the saudi rep in your area.

Hadrami

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2015, 02:28:24 PM »
Mauritania is pretty good. Their knowledge and status is uncompared and respected. You should search it up.

mauritania will be cheap for sure, but cant compare that with free study plus allowance & free return ticket ;D

Farid

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2015, 03:21:20 PM »
Mauritania is pretty good. Their knowledge and status is uncompared and respected. You should search it up.

I know it is great for knowledge, but I think they live in tents and stuff. I saw a youtube video where a student of knowledge was talking about pooping in the desert. I suggest Egypt, or the GCC if you can afford it.

Abu Zayd

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2015, 03:41:10 PM »
Isn't that the 'life-as-it-was' package?

Farid

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2015, 04:26:44 PM »
Isn't that the 'life-as-it-was' package?

Even though ilm is more impotant than the luxury of modern plumbing, there are places where you can have the best of both worlds.

Furkan

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2015, 05:03:14 PM »
Mauritania is pretty good. Their knowledge and status is uncompared and respected. You should search it up.

I know it is great for knowledge, but I think they live in tents and stuff. I saw a youtube video where a student of knowledge was talking about pooping in the desert. I suggest Egypt, or the GCC if you can afford it.

Haha yes that is true if you want to find the big shaykhs. I saw a video of shaykh hamza Yusuf with a mauritanian shaykh there, and yes they were clothed pretty basic. As you can see it will not only develop your arabic but your spirituality since you leave the wordly gains and you get close attention from the shayks there I think. And ... It is safe :p

I would advise egypt too, but don't know what the situation is over there since Sisi (la).
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Abu Zayd

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2015, 06:30:03 PM »
Isn't that the 'life-as-it-was' package?

Even though ilm is more impotant than the luxury of modern plumbing, there are places where you can have the best of both worlds.

Indeed. I had a friend who studied in Syria (pre-2010...) while others thought Yemen would have been good as well.  In terms of stability I imagine GCC would be the safest option?

Furkan

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2015, 07:24:14 PM »
GCC ? Where is that?
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Hani

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2015, 07:33:33 PM »
GCC refers to the Arabian gulf countries.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

lotfilms

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2015, 08:23:10 PM »
Salam lol bro you go to Mauritania if you want to be a real man. 

If you want to go overseas, the University of Madinah in Saudi Arabia is prob one of the best out there imo.  i'm very impressed with the level of Arabic of the students that i've seen go there.
Here's a nice tour of the campus:

(parts 2 and 3 are on youtube)

The problem is that you have to get 2 (probably Salafi) Shaykhs to testify that you are "upon the Sunnah" so good luck with that lol.  They might not consider you if the people recommending you have Shia names (esp something like "Sayyid Abdul Husayn Rizvi" or w/e lol)

But yea Madinah University of Ummul Qura are the places to go.  Not only are you in the holiest places of Islam, but the Saudi government really goes out of its way to pay for basically everything for you, plus the Arabic of the local people is way better than if you go to Egypt or almost any other country.  You just have to really hide the whole Shia thing.

As for their requirements, just get in contact with the Saudi embassy and they'll really help you out.  If there's a big Saudi scholar visiting you area, try to talk to him and see if he can get a good word in.  If there are a bunch of Saudis at a local university, try to find out if one of them is a prince.  Basically, you gotta find some kind of waseelah (if you can't find anyone personally than stick with the embassy)

Some Shias would go to Damascus to learn Arabic but the situation is not really ideal there now cuz of the war

There's also the option of going to Najaf and studying both Islam and Arabic.  However be aware that the Iraqi dialect has a lot of Persian influences (like Gulf countries other than Saudi in general) as well as some Turkish influences, as well as a bunch of weird random stuff that make no sense.  This is a funny video that pokes fun at some of these oddities:



But tbh if you want to learn Fusha Arabic, you can do so in your home country.  Alhamdulillah with the internet you can immerse yourself with Fusha as if you were living in the early days of the Islamic empire (whereas if you went to any Arabic country, you would be surrounded by the local dialect.  But tbh the Saudi dialect is probably the closest imo)
« Last Edit: January 12, 2015, 08:41:18 PM by lotfilms »

Furkan

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2015, 09:01:43 PM »
Lol "hide the shia thing".

Oh and how about deoband schools like in South-Africa or India?

Aren't there Islamic universities in the west? In Netherlands there is, so I geuss in the bigger countries like England there must be too.

Or Azhar university in Egypt?
« Last Edit: January 12, 2015, 09:03:32 PM by Furkan »
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Hani

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2015, 10:42:49 PM »
Or u can go to Qum university where they'll teach you Persian and how to shout in protests... Also a great shrine nearby for Shirki needs.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Optimus Prime

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2015, 10:59:59 PM »
Lol "hide the shia thing".

Oh and how about deoband schools like in South-Africa or India?

Aren't there Islamic universities in the west? In Netherlands there is, so I geuss in the bigger countries like England there must be too.

Or Azhar university in Egypt?

That's certainly an option to consider too. People tend forget the quality of Islamic education from Deoband Darul Ulooms, but then again they generally target people more from the subcontinent, really. Even the ones here in the UK.

Ebn Hussein

Re: Studying Arabic Abroad
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2015, 12:21:46 AM »
Or u can go to Qum university where they'll teach you Persian and how to shout in protests... Also a great shrine nearby for Shirki needs.

No jokes bro, foreign students are mostly send first to Tehran to learn Farsi for SIX months. Then they go to Qom to study "Islam" in Arabic. But hey, what do you expect when the Rafidah are generally are known for two embarassing things:

1. Laughing stocks when it comes to the recitation of the Qur'an.
2. Laughing stocks when it comes to the Arabic language.

Even the Khomeini couldn't speak Arabic (and I visited Iran, most of their scholars don't speak Arabic! Yet go and meat any knowledgable Pakistani or Indian or any SUNNI scholar for that matter, they all speak Arabic well. And in Karachi where a friend of mine studied you can learn the BEST fu7a in the world, in their madrasas people from same countries are not allowed to share a room, for the reason to prevent them of chatting the whole time in their native language. The rule is that everyone MUST speak clear fus7a. The beautiful recitation and understanding of the Qur'an and the understanding and mastering of the Arabic language has been preserved by the Ahl Al-Sunnah only, obviously the Rafidah have been deprived of both and today through social media everyone can be a witness of that).

الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

 

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