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Sunni Caliphate System

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Hani

Re: Sunni Caliphate System
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2017, 07:51:00 PM »
Alright let me write a VERY brief summary of what the traditionalists require as criteria for Imamah:

Physique, sensory ability, lineage, necessary qualities, gender, acquired merits...

As far as senses: He cannot be blind, deaf or mute for obvious reasons like his own independence, communication, accessibility, planning and strategizing etc...

As far as physical parts: Any missing or damaged part that does not constitute an obstacle towards fulfilling your duties as Imam, such as your mobility, your activity, your health etc... As for deformities, such as being bald, one-eyed, scarred from injury or any birth deformity these are non-issues acc to majority.

As far as lineage: The majority agreed on the Qurashi Nasab but if a non-Qurashi reaches authority he is accepted in case he is chosen in the absence of a qualified Qurashi or he conquers by force through revolutions and becomes de-facto leader.

As far as gender: Majority agreed on the Imamah of men over women.

As far as liberty: They do not allow the owned servants to rule over free men.

As far as age: They required maturity.

As far as brain function: Sanity is a must.

As far as necessary qualities: A sufficient degree of courage, honor, justice, ethics are required. This is to lead wars, make decisive decisions, forbid evil and encourage good, earn people's respect, rule fairly among many other matters and qualities they discussed. Even though no one is perfect, yet those who possess the biggest share of such qualities are the first candidates.

As far as acquired virtues and merits: Knowledge and piety are essential. Often required to be in the status of an independent Mufti who is cautious of God, wise and experienced in politics and state affairs.

etc..etc... It's much longer and more detailed than this but this is a sample. Of course, what is sought is not always found so we do our best to choose the closest candidate to these criteria and we deal with the unfortunate times when oppressive tyrants rule in the wisest manners.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

wannabe

Re: Sunni Caliphate System
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2017, 03:24:36 AM »
http://mahajjah.com/navigating-the-complexities-of-leadership-imamah-by-imam-al-dhahabial-muqaddimah-al-zahra-fi-idah-al-imamat-al-kubra/

Al-Thahabi's work in English. Great short read.
salam bro,
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The Ahl al-Sunnah, Muʿtazilah, Murji’ah, Shīʿah and Khawārij—with the exception of the Najdiyyah—all agree on the necessity of imāmah (leadership), and that obedience to an imām ʿādil (just imām) is compulsory upon the Ummah.

who are  these najdiyyah?

wannabe

Re: Sunni Caliphate System
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2017, 03:33:46 AM »
quran [76:24]
"Therefore wait patiently for the command of your Lord, and obey not
from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one".

any thoughts if the above ayat applicable to rulers as well?

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Sunni Caliphate System
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2017, 12:47:11 PM »
salam bro,
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The Ahl al-Sunnah, Muʿtazilah, Murji’ah, Shīʿah and Khawārij—with the exception of the Najdiyyah—all agree on the necessity of imāmah (leadership), and that obedience to an imām ʿādil (just imām) is compulsory upon the Ummah.

who are  these najdiyyah?

The quote continues as:

{...However, the Najdiyyah—a sect within the Khawarij—say that imamah is not necessary}.

So this was a sect within the Khawarij, as per Imam Dhahabi. Ofcourse, a typical jahil would think it has something to do with Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab Najdi, but the fact is this was a sect that emerged centuries before Mohammad ibn Abdul Wahab's birth.


quran [76:24]
"Therefore wait patiently for the command of your Lord, and obey not
from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one".

any thoughts if the above ayat applicable to rulers as well?

This verse and the verse before it, was for Prophet Muhammad(saws) in specific. It is not a general command.

Verily! It is We Who have sent down the Quran to you (O Muhammad SAW) by stages. Therefore be patient (O Muhammad SAW) and submit to the Command of your Lord (Allah, by doing your duty to Him and by conveying His Message to mankind), and obey neither a sinner nor a disbeliever among them.[Quran 76: 23-24 ; Muhsin Khan and Mohammad al-Hilal]

The pronoun is also singular, it says (رَبِّكَ) RabbiKA/your(singular) Lord. If it was general then, the pronoun should have been plural. RabbiKUM(رَّبِّكُمْ).

As for obeying or following fallible rulers or scholars/people. Then this is proven from Quran. Like the verse 4:59, where in Ulil Amr are not infallible, if they were infallible then there was no scope to dispute with them and to refer back to Allah and Prophet(saws).

Secondly, We read in Quran:

And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him...(Quran 9:100).

Muhajireen and Ansar were fallible people, yet those who followed them are praised.

Moreover, Shia obey and follow their Scholars, esp. the Marja whose Taqleed they make. They are fallible.

Lastly, the verse you used cannot be used in general sense because:

حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مَنِيعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا زَيْدُ بْنُ الْحُبَابِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ مَسْعَدَةَ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏:‏ ‏ "‏ كُلُّ بَنِي آدَمَ خَطَّاءٌ وَخَيْرُ الْخَطَّائِينَ التَّوَّابُونَ ‏"
It was narrated from Anas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Every son of Adam commits sin, and the best of those who commit sin are those who repent.’”[Sunan Ibn Majah, Book 37, Hadith 4392; Hasan]

wannabe

Re: Sunni Caliphate System
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2017, 05:16:28 PM »
salam bro,
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The Ahl al-Sunnah, Muʿtazilah, Murji’ah, Shīʿah and Khawārij—with the exception of the Najdiyyah—all agree on the necessity of imāmah (leadership), and that obedience to an imām ʿādil (just imām) is compulsory upon the Ummah.

who are  these najdiyyah?

The quote continues as:

{...However, the Najdiyyah—a sect within the Khawarij—say that imamah is not necessary}.

So this was a sect within the Khawarij, as per Imam Dhahabi. Ofcourse, a typical jahil would think it has something to do with Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab Najdi, but the fact is this was a sect that emerged centuries before Mohammad ibn Abdul Wahab's birth.
thanks. my bad.
quran [76:24]
"Therefore wait patiently for the command of your Lord, and obey not
from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one".

any thoughts if the above ayat applicable to rulers as well?

This verse and the verse before it, was for Prophet Muhammad(saws) in specific. It is not a general command.

Verily! It is We Who have sent down the Quran to you (O Muhammad SAW) by stages. Therefore be patient (O Muhammad SAW) and submit to the Command of your Lord (Allah, by doing your duty to Him and by conveying His Message to mankind), and obey neither a sinner nor a disbeliever among them.[Quran 76: 23-24 ; Muhsin Khan and Mohammad al-Hilal]

The pronoun is also singular, it says (رَبِّكَ) RabbiKA/your(singular) Lord. If it was general then, the pronoun should have been plural. RabbiKUM(رَّبِّكُمْ).

As for obeying or following fallible rulers or scholars/people. Then this is proven from Quran. Like the verse 4:59, where in Ulil Amr are not infallible, if they were infallible then there was no scope to dispute with them and to refer back to Allah and Prophet(saws).

Secondly, We read in Quran:

And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him...(Quran 9:100).

Muhajireen and Ansar were fallible people, yet those who followed them are praised.

Moreover, Shia obey and follow their Scholars, esp. the Marja whose Taqleed they make. They are fallible.

Lastly, the verse you used cannot be used in general sense because:

حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مَنِيعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا زَيْدُ بْنُ الْحُبَابِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ مَسْعَدَةَ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏:‏ ‏ "‏ كُلُّ بَنِي آدَمَ خَطَّاءٌ وَخَيْرُ الْخَطَّائِينَ التَّوَّابُونَ ‏"
It was narrated from Anas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Every son of Adam commits sin, and the best of those who commit sin are those who repent.’”[Sunan Ibn Majah, Book 37, Hadith 4392; Hasan]
thanks once again.

 

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