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Was Iblis an Angel?

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Was Iblis an Angel?
« on: November 28, 2022, 02:50:23 PM »
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Re: Was Iblis an Angel?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2022, 02:52:24 PM »
Angels are saints of Jinn and truest followers of Ahlulbayt (a) among Jinn. God’s Angels are chosen ones from Angels, that like Prophets won’t deviate. God’s chosen Angels are like the chosen humans, instances of God’s Name and the highest likeness in heavens and earth and greatest sign.

Iblis was an Angel but never one of God’s Angels. He was not chosen by God, but Angels who all Jinn were back then became arrogant in that they thought they were perfect worshipers of God. He was not chosen like Gabriel and Michael.

They were lead by Ahlulbayt of Mohammad (s) in the start, but back then Mohammad (s) and Ali (a) and Imams (a) were in light/fire form only, and did not take form of physical humans yet. So Angels all thought Ahlulbayt were one of them, Angels, but much higher in rank. Iblis did not mind following Mohammad (S) at this point.

Angels when tried with a lesser in body creature and limited creature and created of a more humble low nature, could predict that the physical nature can make us deviate and become hostile to one another and kill one another. They thought how can this be a good idea?

But one of the main reasons humans were created and not all creation created as Angels, was because Angels became arrogant. If they didn’t become over all arrogant, probably no need of creating humans.

Adam (a) also became a bit full of himself and thought he can attain the rank of the exalted ones and be of an authority that does not pass away, and envied their position, and sought to attain their position and went towards them ready to battle the exalted ones out of their station. But when he did so, sin entered his soul and shame became a thing, and so he became ashamed of being naked while before then it was not shameful. Shame did not exist.

But Adam (a) proved that God chose him for a reason when he repented and didn’t have resolve to disobey God. His rank was not diminished but even heightened and a contrast occurred where Iblis was too arrogant to repent, Adam (a) showed repentance and never disobeyed again.

Adam (a) questioned who the true God was only because Iblis swore to him by God but did so out of deception and there was no lie in Adam (a) and hence he trusted Iblis. However, his sin was that he didn’t resort to Ahlulbayt (a) the exalted ones, in the time of peril, but sought to take their position. Had he humbled himself and resorted to clarification and Tawasul from Ahlulbayt (a), the fall would not occur.

Michael means “likeness of God” so he too is created in holistic image as was Adam (a).

Not all saints from humans nor Angels who follow Ahlulbayt (a) attain that holistic glory and unite all beauty and virtues.

But the goal is to journey and become as much as the light as possible.

Angels attain higher rank through helping followers of Ahlulbayt (a) and asking forgiveness and seeking to protect them.

Jinn who disobey Ahlulbayt (a) and believe Adam (a) should have not been chosen or have their own religious views often accompany people with similar views.

Jinn who rebel and are Satans per Quran believe they are guided or tell themselves that.

A good question can be asked, how did Iblis disbelieve after witnessing highest type signs? This is one of the wisdom of Quran. Even highest type signs to a rebellious soul, will not convince.

He believes Ahlubayt (a) are possessed by a Jinn and does not believe in the Creator. He was per words of Imam Musa Alkhadhim (a) in tufaqal uqool, the first Atheist.

He probably sees Ahlulbayt (a) as either sorcerers deceivers or possessed by “Allah” who is a Jinn to him, and probably is confused about that since he has no proof either way.

Disbelievers sometimes accuse chosen ones as being sorcerers, sometimes as “possessed”, the difference between the two is that the latter is assuming they don’t know that the miracles they perform are not them doing it from power of God rather a Jinn or many Jinn have convinced them they acquired the power from God. The accusation they are sorcerers however is that they know what they are doing and are deceiving. Both ways are a way of disbelievers to deny miracles as God’s signs.
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the journey in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Soccer

Re: Was Iblis an Angel?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2023, 04:39:45 PM »
Salam

Quran talks about worship of "gods" of the Polytheistic Arabs if they were real, to be in fact, Angels, but then says, in fact, they are not Angels, but Jinn and not only Jinn, but specifically Shayateen.

The emphasis they were not in fact Angels but Jinn, would not make sense if Angels were not a subset of Jinn.

By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the journey in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

 

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