Which of the four Madhhabs is most correct?

[taha taha]

Which of the four Madhhabs is most correct?
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/which-of-four-madhhabs-is-most-correct.html

1- THE HANAFEE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/1-hanafee-madh-hab.html

2- THE MAALIKEE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/2-maalikee-madh-hab.html

3-THE SHAAFI’EE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/3-shaafiee-madh-hab.html

4- The Hambalee MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/4-hambalee-madh-hab.html

Sayings Of The Imaams Regarding Following The Sunnah And Ignoring Their Views Contradictory To It
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/sayings-of-imaams-regarding-following.html

Sayings Of The Imaams Regarding Following The Sunnah And Ignoring Their Views Contradictory To It (contd)
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/sayings-of-imaams-regarding-following_6.html

Arabic of the above
أقوال الأئمة في اتِّباعِ السُّنَّةِ وتَركِ أقوالِهم المخالفَةِ لَها
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/blog-post_25.html

[Abu Jasim Al-Salafi]

Sunnis are followers of the Qur'an and the Sunnah, we follow whoever has better evidence.

[taha taha]

I'm inviting a shia I know to the forum.
I wounder if he will join.
I post a link on Islamicboard and they took it down
 

[Optimus Prime]

Thanks for the links.

[ShiaMan]

Which of the four Madhhabs is most correct?
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/which-of-four-madhhabs-is-most-correct.html

1- THE HANAFEE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/1-hanafee-madh-hab.html

2- THE MAALIKEE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/2-maalikee-madh-hab.html

3-THE SHAAFI’EE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/3-shaafiee-madh-hab.html

4- The Hambalee MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/4-hambalee-madh-hab.html

Sayings Of The Imaams Regarding Following The Sunnah And Ignoring Their Views Contradictory To It
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/sayings-of-imaams-regarding-following.html

Sayings Of The Imaams Regarding Following The Sunnah And Ignoring Their Views Contradictory To It (contd)
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/sayings-of-imaams-regarding-following_6.html

Arabic of the above
أقوال الأئمة في اتِّباعِ السُّنَّةِ وتَركِ أقوالِهم المخالفَةِ لَها
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/blog-post_25.html

Are they all off-shoots of Jafaria fiqh since they were students of Ima Jafar Al-Sadiq? The 4 sects came after Jafaria sect and didnt someone just post that it is wrong to make sects in Islam (a differetn thread on this forum). You might want to get on the same page first.

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

The reality behind the “Ja’fari” Madhhab
https://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/the-reality-behind-the-jafari-madhhab/

[ShiaMan]

The reality behind the “Ja’fari” Madhhab
https://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/the-reality-behind-the-jafari-madhhab/

Oh, a blogger wrote something on a blog. Must be true

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

The reality behind the “Ja’fari” Madhhab
https://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/the-reality-behind-the-jafari-madhhab/

Oh, a blogger wrote something on a blog. Must be true

Truth is hard to swallow.

[Ibn Yahya]

Are they all off-shoots of Jafaria fiqh since they were students of Ima Jafar Al-Sadiq? The 4 sects came after Jafaria sect and didnt someone just post that it is wrong to make sects in Islam (a differetn thread on this forum). You might want to get on the same page first.

Ja'far as-Sadiq was a teacher of three of them, however why don't I flip the question. How can Ja'far as-Sadiq have taught them if their beliefs have almost no resemblance to that of the Shi'ah?

secondly saying the madhahib are sects is like saying that following sistani means your part of a different sect to someone who follows Wahid Khorasani

[Abu Muhammad]

Which of the four Madhhabs is most correct?
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/which-of-four-madhhabs-is-most-correct.html

1- THE HANAFEE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/1-hanafee-madh-hab.html

2- THE MAALIKEE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/2-maalikee-madh-hab.html

3-THE SHAAFI’EE MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/3-shaafiee-madh-hab.html

4- The Hambalee MADH-HAB
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/4-hambalee-madh-hab.html

Sayings Of The Imaams Regarding Following The Sunnah And Ignoring Their Views Contradictory To It
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/sayings-of-imaams-regarding-following.html

Sayings Of The Imaams Regarding Following The Sunnah And Ignoring Their Views Contradictory To It (contd)
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/sayings-of-imaams-regarding-following_6.html

Arabic of the above
أقوال الأئمة في اتِّباعِ السُّنَّةِ وتَركِ أقوالِهم المخالفَةِ لَها
http://carryonummah.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/blog-post_25.html

Are they all off-shoots of Jafaria fiqh since they were students of Ima Jafar Al-Sadiq? The 4 sects came after Jafaria sect and didnt someone just post that it is wrong to make sects in Islam (a differetn thread on this forum). You might want to get on the same page first.

Do you think the great Ulama' of the past just studied under one scholar?

Imam Abu Hanifah had thousands of shuyukh besides Imam Jaafar As-Sadiq. In fact, scholar that influenced him the most was Hammad ibn Abi Sulaiman (with whom he studied until his teacher died) and not Imam Jaafar.

So, what offshoot are you talking about?

Same goes to Imam Malik ibn Anas. He had hundreds of other Shuyukh besides Imam Jaafar. Among others; Nafi’ ibn Abi Nu’aim, Nafi’ al Muqbiri, Na’imul Majmar, Az-Zuhri, Amir ibn Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Ibnul Munkadir, Abdullah bin Dinar, etc.

So again, what offshoot are you talking about?

[ShiaMan]

Do you think the great Ulama' of the past just studied under one scholar?

Imam Abu Hanifah had thousands of shuyukh besides Imam Jaafar As-Sadiq. In fact, scholar that influenced him the most was Hammad ibn Abi Sulaiman (with whom he studied until his teacher died) and not Imam Jaafar.

So, what offshoot are you talking about?

Same goes to Imam Malik ibn Anas. He had hundreds of other Shuyukh besides Imam Jaafar. Among others; Nafi’ ibn Abi Nu’aim, Nafi’ al Muqbiri, Na’imul Majmar, Az-Zuhri, Amir ibn Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Ibnul Munkadir, Abdullah bin Dinar, etc.

So again, what offshoot are you talking about?

You need to do a little more research before cutting'n'pasting a brief bio on Abu Hanifa. He spent 2 years under Jafar Al-Sadiq and apparently called them the most valuable years.

So this applies to Abu Hanifa and the other 3 imams. Why follow them? If they learned from other scholars, does that mean those scholars were more learned so they should be followed? If Abu Hanifa + 3 learned more than them, then how come no one has ever learned more than Abu Hanifa + 3 to take over so to speak?

[glorfindel]

You need to do a little more research before cutting'n'pasting a brief bio on Abu Hanifa. He spent 2 years under Jafar Al-Sadiq and apparently called them the most valuable years.

So this applies to Abu Hanifa and the other 3 imams. Why follow them? If they learned from other scholars, does that mean those scholars were more learned so they should be followed? If Abu Hanifa + 3 learned more than them, then how come no one has ever learned more than Abu Hanifa + 3 to take over so to speak?

Abu Hanifa spending 2 years under Jafar As-Sadiq where did we get this information from, could we get a reference?

The teachers of the Imams did not leave behind books or their books of methodology, so they can't be followed even if we wanted to - therefore there are such things as extinct madhabs (the Zahiri school for example, whose chief proponent was Ibn Hazm from Andulusia).  We can only follow their students in what they retained and what they recorded.  Question - who recorded the methodology of fiqh and rulings from Jafar As-Sadiq for posterity?

Thanks.

[ShiaMan]

Abu Hanifa spending 2 years under Jafar As-Sadiq where did we get this information from, could we get a reference?

http://www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/students-of-imam-jafar/proving-teacher-student-relationship.html

The teachers of the Imams did not leave behind books or their books of methodology, so they can't be followed even if we wanted to - therefore there are such things as extinct madhabs (the Zahiri school for example, whose chief proponent was Ibn Hazm from Andulusia).  We can only follow their students in what they retained and what they recorded.  Question - who recorded the methodology of fiqh and rulings from Jafar As-Sadiq for posterity?
Thanks.

Primary sources:
Kitab al-Kafi - Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni al-Razi
Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih - Muhammad ibn Babawayh
Tahdhib al-Ahkam - Shaykh Muhammad Tusi
Al-Istibsar - Shaykh Muhammad Tusi

[glorfindel]

Abu Hanifa spending 2 years under Jafar As-Sadiq where did we get this information from, could we get a reference?

http://www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/students-of-imam-jafar/proving-teacher-student-relationship.html

Thanks for the prompt response.   Abu Hanifa was based primarily in Iraq as are his teachers - so what knowledge did he gain from As-Sadiq? Abu Hanifa couldn't have been much of a student of As-Sadiq as he did not transmit much in way of knowledge from him, do we have any rulings or any traditions from Abu Hanifa from As-Sadiq?

The teachers of the Imams did not leave behind books or their books of methodology, so they can't be followed even if we wanted to - therefore there are such things as extinct madhabs (the Zahiri school for example, whose chief proponent was Ibn Hazm from Andulusia).  We can only follow their students in what they retained and what they recorded.  Question - who recorded the methodology of fiqh and rulings from Jafar As-Sadiq for posterity?
Thanks.

Primary sources:
Kitab al-Kafi - Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni al-Razi
Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih - Muhammad ibn Babawayh
Tahdhib al-Ahkam - Shaykh Muhammad Tusi
Al-Istibsar - Shaykh Muhammad Tusi

None of these people met As-Sadiq,  they didn't sit in his circles, so how do we verify that what was recorded was accurate and correct? What methodology do we use?

Thanks.

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

You need to do a little more research before cutting'n'pasting a brief bio on Abu Hanifa. He spent 2 years under Jafar Al-Sadiq and apparently called them the most valuable years.

You need to get your facts straight.

In the year 132 the Abbasids came to power, having ousted the Umayyads. Abu Hanifah was then 52 years of age. The Abbasid khalifah Abu Ja’far al-Mansur wanted Abu Hanifah as his chief justice, which post he refused. In order to escape the vengeance of the khalifah, Abu Hanifah betook himself to the Hijaz where he spent the next 2 years. It is in terms of this sojourn in the Hijaz that he is reported to have said, “Were it not for the 2 years, Nu’man (i.e. Abu Hanifah) would have been destroyed”. Creative Shi’i imaginations would have us believe that what he actually meant thereby was that it was during this period that he gained his knowledge at the feet of Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq. The absurdity of this can be seen from the fact that by that time he was already so famous as a man of learning, that he was sought by the khalifah as the chief justice. Apart from that, he was, as already shown, over 50 years of age.
http://www.ilmgate.org/regarding-imam-abu-hanifah-studying-under-imam-jafar/

[ShiaMan]

You need to get your facts straight.

In the year 132 the Abbasids came to power, having ousted the Umayyads. Abu Hanifah was then 52 years of age. The Abbasid khalifah Abu Ja’far al-Mansur wanted Abu Hanifah as his chief justice, which post he refused. In order to escape the vengeance of the khalifah, Abu Hanifah betook himself to the Hijaz where he spent the next 2 years. It is in terms of this sojourn in the Hijaz that he is reported to have said, “Were it not for the 2 years, Nu’man (i.e. Abu Hanifah) would have been destroyed”. Creative Shi’i imaginations would have us believe that what he actually meant thereby was that it was during this period that he gained his knowledge at the feet of Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq. The absurdity of this can be seen from the fact that by that time he was already so famous as a man of learning, that he was sought by the khalifah as the chief justice. Apart from that, he was, as already shown, over 50 years of age.
http://www.ilmgate.org/regarding-imam-abu-hanifah-studying-under-imam-jafar/

So you are saying 50+ year old men dont need to study and also that Abu Hanifa was more learned than Jafar Al-Sadiq?

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

You need to get your facts straight.

In the year 132 the Abbasids came to power, having ousted the Umayyads. Abu Hanifah was then 52 years of age. The Abbasid khalifah Abu Ja’far al-Mansur wanted Abu Hanifah as his chief justice, which post he refused. In order to escape the vengeance of the khalifah, Abu Hanifah betook himself to the Hijaz where he spent the next 2 years. It is in terms of this sojourn in the Hijaz that he is reported to have said, “Were it not for the 2 years, Nu’man (i.e. Abu Hanifah) would have been destroyed”. Creative Shi’i imaginations would have us believe that what he actually meant thereby was that it was during this period that he gained his knowledge at the feet of Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq. The absurdity of this can be seen from the fact that by that time he was already so famous as a man of learning, that he was sought by the khalifah as the chief justice. Apart from that, he was, as already shown, over 50 years of age.
http://www.ilmgate.org/regarding-imam-abu-hanifah-studying-under-imam-jafar/

So you are saying 50+ year old men dont need to study and also that Abu Hanifa was more learned than Jafar Al-Sadiq?

Have you understood the correct origin of the saying about two years? I hope you will correct yourself and stop spreading the misconceptions.

[Abu Muhammad]

You need to do a little more research before cutting'n'pasting a brief bio on Abu Hanifa. He spent 2 years under Jafar Al-Sadiq and apparently called them the most valuable years.

You need to get your facts straight.

In the year 132 the Abbasids came to power, having ousted the Umayyads. Abu Hanifah was then 52 years of age. The Abbasid khalifah Abu Ja’far al-Mansur wanted Abu Hanifah as his chief justice, which post he refused. In order to escape the vengeance of the khalifah, Abu Hanifah betook himself to the Hijaz where he spent the next 2 years. It is in terms of this sojourn in the Hijaz that he is reported to have said, “Were it not for the 2 years, Nu’man (i.e. Abu Hanifah) would have been destroyed”. Creative Shi’i imaginations would have us believe that what he actually meant thereby was that it was during this period that he gained his knowledge at the feet of Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq. The absurdity of this can be seen from the fact that by that time he was already so famous as a man of learning, that he was sought by the khalifah as the chief justice. Apart from that, he was, as already shown, over 50 years of age.
http://www.ilmgate.org/regarding-imam-abu-hanifah-studying-under-imam-jafar/

Hahaha... Love it. Someone is asking somebody to do a little more research before cutting & pasting while he himself is the one in need of that little reasearch before cutting & pasting.

If you do another "little reaseach" before pasting your "creative" imagination about the learning of Imam Abu Hanifa with Imam Jaafar, he spent 18 years with Imam Hammad in Kufah since he was 22 years old and took over his Sheikh to teach in Kufah after he died. That is why it was said that Hammad was the one influenced him the most.

So again, what offshoot of Jaafari Madzhab are you talking about?

[ShiaMan]

Hahaha... Love it. Someone is asking somebody to do a little more research before cutting & pasting while he himself is the one in need of that little reasearch before cutting & pasting.

If you do another "little reaseach" before pasting your "creative" imagination about the learning of Imam Abu Hanifa with Imam Jaafar, he spent 18 years with Imam Hammad in Kufah since he was 22 years old and took over his Sheikh to teach in Kufah after he died. That is why it was said that Hammad was the one influenced him the most.

So again, what offshoot of Jaafari Madzhab are you talking about?

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This is an incorrect assertion because Abu Hanifa was Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (as)’s student. That is why Hafiz Ibn Hajar Asqlani, Ibn Emmad Hanbali, Ibn Hajar Makki, Allamah Shiblinji, researcher Abu Zohra and many others clarified that Imam Abu Hanifa was the student of Imam Jafar Sadiq. Furthermore, Allamah Shibli Numani whilst refuting Ibn Tamiyah’s claim stated:

Ibn Tamiyah’s statement that Imam Abu Hanifa was not a student of Imam Jafar Sadiq is incorrect because although Abu Hanifa was a Mujtahid but what comparison he could have with the knowledge and merits of Imam Jafar Sadiq since Hadith, jurisprudence in fact, all kinds of religious knowledge have emerged from the family of Holy Prophet’ (Sirat Numan, page 60). This not only proves that Abu Hanifa was Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (as)’s student but also evidences that there is no alternate when it comes to the knowledge and merits of the pure Ahlulbayt, no matter if one is even a Mujtahid and a learned man

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

Imam Abu Hanifa was issuing Fatwas and had a following, even before he met Imam Jafar. This fact nullifies all the claims of Shias.

Infact the sense in which you say Imam Abu Hanifa was student of Imam Jafar in that sense, the teachers of Imam Jafar and Imam Baqir, Imam Zain ul Abidin, etc were some major Tabain. So your Imamss were students of Tabain as well.