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Soccer

Who are you? And who am I?
« on: December 28, 2021, 03:21:40 PM »
When I think of the Master and King
You sent as a channel of revelation
I am not a drop of an ocean to him
No Mohammad is must greater
Yet him to you is less then that
He is nothing when you are remembered
Yet he and his family are the only means to you
He who has not disobeyed in you in anything
And has totally being praised by you at all stations
The greatest creature
And his family who are his equals
I feel ashamed when remembering them
Yet all my honor and dignity is through my love of them
So Glory be to you
They are exalted because they Worship only You as the most sincerest of all creatures to You
And are nothing compared to you
And we honored because We worship only you and exalted only the chosen ones
And because we accept them as your representatives and proofs
And as the means towards you
And the means to understand your holy books
So who am I who only grasps at crumbs of honor from your Table
And who are you which is beyond even the Abundance
Given to Mohammad and Ali
Who are you who descriptions go astray regarding you
Attributes fall short of giving your proper due
And who is filled to the extent he misses nothing
And all is found in him
And who am I who sins are but rebellion to your sacred essence
And disgrace myself into the negative
And who are you if you wish can punish and exact justice on me
Having the last say
And who am I who doesn't control a mustard seed of benefit for myself
And without your help and grace would perish
And who are you who forbears and protects me against my great evils
Despite the fact out all people I was most proper and befitting
That given the knowledge and wisdom you given me
That I obey you
And so am I but the evil servant
And who are you but the good Lord
Forgive my evil ways
And enter me in your Mercy
And by intercession of the exalted souls
Mohammad, Ali and Fatima
And the purified sacred souls from them
Who you chosen as your treasured gifts to humanity
Who's way is but obedience to you
Who's love to you is their greatest treasure
And what see as honor to them
Is but a means of a favor to us
Who am I and who are they?
And who are they and who are you?
And who am I and who are you?
Forgive and have mercy upon my corrupted soul
And ease the way to your garden
Amen Lord of the Worlds.
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2021, 01:46:40 PM »
You are not honoured at all infact you are a sinful cursed soul who’s assumptions are regarded as authenticity.


So who will intercede for your silly sod of a soul……..Ali or Fatima? Or are both gonna intercede for you at once?

Your soul definitely is corrupted coming out with nonsense like that.

Equalling Ali ra to the prophet sallalahualihewasalam what a complete and utter IDIOT!!!!

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2021, 03:38:55 PM »
You are not honoured at all infact you are a sinful cursed soul who’s assumptions are regarded as authenticity.


So who will intercede for your silly sod of a soul……..Ali or Fatima? Or are both gonna intercede for you at once?

Your soul definitely is corrupted coming out with nonsense like that.

Equalling Ali ra to the prophet sallalahualihewasalam what a complete and utter IDIOT!!!!

This is not for debating, it's poetry bro.  We can debate these topics somewhere else.
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2021, 08:53:50 AM »
Poetry full of shirk

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2021, 02:06:27 PM »
Poetry full of shirk

We can debate Tawasul in another thread.
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2022, 12:25:40 AM »
We can debate Tawasul in another thread.

Asking from Ali ra and Fatima ra?!?!…….I don’t think so

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2022, 02:26:40 PM »
Asking from Ali ra and Fatima ra?!?!…….I don’t think so

Yes Ali (a) and Fatima (s) part of the family we supposed to love (42:23) that are a path to God (25:57).
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2022, 09:41:05 AM »
Yes Ali (a) and Fatima (s) part of the family we supposed to love (42:23) that are a path to God (25:57).

You don’t have to and it’s not a judge between heaven and hell. You can love them and we do love them for they are part of the blessed prophet sallalahualihewasalam’s blessed family……END OF!

They can’t and won’t help us and they cannot do NOTHING especially as they are in barzakh.

You Love them we love them too yet we don’t add lies to them as if they can hear and answer our prayers or that they are divine in any  “magical” sense.

The devil loves lies the Dajjal is a liar and you seem to be their follower especially by plucking Quranic verses out and adding your ‘magical’ assumptions to it thereby creating lies just like your master Iblis.

Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2022, 09:47:53 AM »
Yes Ali (a) and Fatima (s) part of the family we supposed to love (42:23) that are a path to God (25:57).
when verse 42/23 was revealed was Ali ra and Fatima ra married at the time?

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2022, 02:33:43 PM »
You don’t have to and it’s not a judge between heaven and hell. You can love them and we do love them for they are part of the blessed prophet sallalahualihewasalam’s blessed family……END OF!

They can’t and won’t help us and they cannot do NOTHING especially as they are in barzakh.

You Love them we love them too yet we don’t add lies to them as if they can hear and answer our prayers or that they are divine in any  “magical” sense.

The devil loves lies the Dajjal is a liar and you seem to be their follower especially by plucking Quranic verses out and adding your ‘magical’ assumptions to it thereby creating lies just like your master Iblis.

The Quran talks about the sky reality with lanterns there as missiles/arrows against devils for a reason. They (Ahlulbayt) are meant to be used and they will help us.

The Quran didn't emphasize on intercession only so that we think it no longer applies because Ahlulbayt (A) are not in public vision.

The Quran also talked about witnesses for a reason.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2022, 02:36:05 PM by Soccer »
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2022, 02:34:28 PM »
when verse 42/23 was revealed was Ali ra and Fatima ra married at the time?

Meccan verses are sometimes found in Madina Surahs and Madina verses added to Meccan Surahs.

I hope that helps.
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2022, 10:56:44 AM »
Meccan verses are sometimes found in Madina Surahs and Madina verses added to Meccan Surahs.

I hope that helps.

No it doesn’t and I don’t think you can move forward from here for my question has really halted your stupidity as can be seen from your response……..’hope that helps’.

Your response is the lack of authenticity in your devious sect hence the assumptions you keep adding about divine imams and magic, honestly I am amazed you haven’t featured no goblins or dragons to add in to the mix to spice it up.


Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2022, 11:03:11 AM »
The Quran talks about the sky reality with lanterns there as missiles/arrows against devils for a reason. They (Ahlulbayt) are meant to be used and they will help us.

The Quran didn't emphasize on intercession only so that we think it no longer applies because Ahlulbayt (A) are not in public vision.

The Quran also talked about witnesses for a reason.

Sky reality????

Chill out on them substances bruh……we have here in Pakistan Shiite malangs and they smoke till the cows come home and make up poetry when they HIGH!!!

Ahlubaith can’t and never will help you……unless you calling shaytaans and are believing them to be it.

You have no evidence but assumptions and you are mentally ill especially if you can see magic in the Quran.

You have Nothing but magical assumptions and twisting words of Quran to fit in to your stupid dirty thinking of asking from imams and that too the imams which are not mentioned.

Shiism 👍

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2022, 12:42:41 PM »
Sky reality????

وَإِنْ كَانَ كَبُرَ عَلَيْكَ إِعْرَاضُهُمْ فَإِنِ اسْتَطَعْتَ أَنْ تَبْتَغِيَ نَفَقًا فِي الْأَرْضِ أَوْ سُلَّمًا فِي السَّمَاءِ فَتَأْتِيَهُمْ بِآيَةٍ ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَجَمَعَهُمْ عَلَى الْهُدَىٰ ۚ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْجَاهِلِينَ | And should their aversion be hard on you, find, if you can, a tunnel into the ground, or a ladder into sky, that you may bring them a sign. Had Allah wished, He would have brought them together on guidance. So do not be one of the ignorant. | Al-An'aam : 35


This shows if Mohammad (s) can connect people to this reality, he would, but it's not his fault people turn away.

Surah Hijr expands on why he doesn't connect them:

وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ بَابًا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّوا فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ | Were We to open for them a gate of the sky, so that they could go on ascending through it, | Al-Hijr : 14

لَقَالُوا إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَارُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَسْحُورُونَ | they would surely say, ‘Indeed a spell has been cast on our eyes; indeed, we are a bewitched lot.’ | Al-Hijr : 15

وَلَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَزَيَّنَّاهَا لِلنَّاظِرِينَ | Certainly We have made mansions in the sky and adorned them for the onlookers, | Al-Hijr : 16

وَحَفِظْنَاهَا مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْطَانٍ رَجِيمٍ | and We have guarded it from every outcast Satan, | Al-Hijr : 17

إِلَّا مَنِ اسْتَرَقَ السَّمْعَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ مُبِينٌ | except someone who may eavesdrop, whereat there pursues him a manifest flame. | Al-Hijr : 18


By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2022, 12:44:01 PM »
No it doesn’t and I don’t think you can move forward from here for my question has really halted your stupidity as can be seen from your response……..’hope that helps’.

Your response is the lack of authenticity in your devious sect hence the assumptions you keep adding about divine imams and magic, honestly I am amazed you haven’t featured no goblins or dragons to add in to the mix to spice it up.

We can infer this way:

If the verse is about Ahlulbayt (A) - the hadiths that it was revealed about them are correct.

So let's just discuss if the verse is about Ahlulbayt (A) instead of the hadiths and getting into them.
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2022, 11:12:35 AM »
We can infer this way:

If the verse is about Ahlulbayt (A) - the hadiths that it was revealed about them are correct.

So let's just discuss if the verse is about Ahlulbayt (A) instead of the hadiths and getting into them.

It’s not a fact the verse isn’t about ahlubaith ra No Ifs or Buts stick to the facts.

Was Ali ra married to Fatima ra at the time the verse was revealed?? Does it include ALL ahlubaith?



Quran is clear…….your head is a MESS!

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2022, 12:39:50 PM »
It’s not a fact the verse isn’t about ahlubaith ra No Ifs or Buts stick to the facts.

It's context of reward. Reward is context of accusation of disbelievers, from viewpoint he is false. It's saying that reward you accuse him of he is false, what that be if he is true?

For example in chapter 25, it emphasizes on Mohammad (s) being a path to God and then reward verse of 25:57 is in this context, and so Mohammad (S) is included.

Mohammad (s) is included in Al-Qurba.  It's saying just recognize and accept Mohammad (S) and his family (a) for who and what they are, the true submission is for God, and we submit to them to submit to God.

By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Mythbuster1

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2022, 08:50:25 AM »
It's context of reward. Reward is context of accusation of disbelievers, from viewpoint he is false. It's saying that reward you accuse him of he is false, what that be if he is true?

For example in chapter 25, it emphasizes on Mohammad (s) being a path to God and then reward verse of 25:57 is in this context, and so Mohammad (S) is included.

Mohammad (s) is included in Al-Qurba.  It's saying just recognize and accept Mohammad (S) and his family (a) for who and what they are, the true submission is for God, and we submit to them to submit to God.



Lol you demented sod lol

Read the verse it’s nothing but CONJECTURE from your part.

No way can you prove it’s the ahlubaith…….look at your stupid assumptions.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2022, 08:51:37 AM by Mythbuster1 »

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2022, 01:05:45 PM »
Salam

I want put out there, not addressing anyone, but in general, Quranic Arabic transcends today's Arabic grammar. Grammar later was developed after Quran, and some of is consistent with Quran and some of it isn't.

Wali in 5:55 is singular, though, it describes more the one entity, but that's purposeful, to emphasize the unity of the Welayat there.

Quran says "and we did not find more then one house from the submitters" but else where Quran says "a people of a house that will take care of him and wish him well"- so which expression is right? The reality is they both are and it's about which sounds better in the instance.

When it comes to Al-Qurba 42:23 has an odd form of that. What do I mean? Everywhere else Qurba is used in Quran, it's preceded either by "Dhul" or "Ulul", possessor and possessors respectively.

Ikhwanal Muslimeen is known in the west as "Muslim brotherhood", even though the translation directly would be "Muslim brothers".

In Lord of the Rings, if you recall "fellowship of the ring" refers to a group of people. "fellows of the ring" just doesn't ring well.

In two other verses, Ulul-Qurba or Dul-Qurba makes sense because it's aligned with "the Messenger" and so you know it refers to the Messenger and those who hold kinship/close relative relationship to him.

The question is why didn't it say "ulul-Qurba" here or "dhul-Qurba"? In 42:23 I mean.

It's because Mohammad (s) is included. But they are the closeness to each other. Same way "fellowship of the ring" has a better ring to it, "Al-Qurba" means there is they are very close to each other family wise, but because this closeness transcends blood relationship at the same time the reward he is accused of has to do with that, it's a very nice expression and includes Mohammad (s) in it. It's mean they are the nearness to one another - the Ahlulbayt (a) are bound to each other by each other.

People can take my word for it or others, or do research if interested.

42:23 to me is undoubtable clear proof of Mohammad's (s) and his family's (a) unity and that they share his station in terms of remembrance and how much he is to be loved.
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Soccer

Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2022, 01:08:04 PM »
Lol you demented sod lol

Read the verse it’s nothing but CONJECTURE from your part.

No way can you prove it’s the ahlubaith…….look at your stupid assumptions.

The love includes affection. That can't be for abstract concepts or relationship, it has to be towards entities, particularly, humans. So.. the Sunni interpretation is not even possible per Grammar.
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.