What a ridiculously stupid attempt at a failed rebuttal. Not doing anything is failing to fulfill the Holy Prophet's (saw) request. Your own judgment on others (that they disobeyed the Holy Prophet s.a.w.) compels you to make such obscure statements. It is better that you stop accusing Umar (ra) so that you don't have to make failed attempts at explaining away your own "infallible" Imam's (ra) lapse.
Shia belief 101 is that the Imam's role is to guide. When Imam Ali (ra) did not bring pen and paper, what guidance was he imparting upon the people? Perhaps he was affirming and upholding Umar's (ra) decision in which case it becomes incumbent upon you to also - like Imam Ali (ra) - side with Umar (ra). An "infallible" Imam adopting the role of a spectator when the Holy Prophet (saw) ordered something is a failed Imam.
And this laughable web of excuses you are weaving! If an "infallible" Imam does not meet the needs of the Holy Prophet (saw) then why have an "infallible" Imam in the first place?
You only have two options, to make it easy for you:
1. Umar (ra) was wrong which makes everyone in the room just as wrong, including Imam Ali (ra).
2. Umar (ra) was concerned about the health of the Holy Prophet (saw) and others present shared this concern which is why Imam Ali (ra) remained motionless and silent.
The issue is bigger than a scholar having an opinion. We Afghans have a saying: liars have no (or bad) memory. When you are a compulsive liar, you are bound to contradict yourself because it is next to impossible to keep all your claims in order (unless rehearsed thoroughly). Exactly what we see in Shaykh Mufid's case!
More like, a compulsive liar propagating a lie had a slip of tongue, or slip of pen.
Why do you want me to bring the verse which says that the religion has been completed thereby Allah (swt) completing his favor upon us? If you doubt this Islamic injunction then openly say so and accept your status outside the fold of Islam. Otherwise, no need for the verse to be brought forward when it is our aqeedah that Islam is complete.
Discuss the matter. Don't argue to force your opinion or to get me to accept and believe what you want.
"What a ridiculously stupid attempt at a failed rebuttal. Not doing anything is failing to fulfill the Holy Prophet's (saw) request"
Nobody said he didn't do anything. He did what he thought was necessary. He acted as an Imam of the people and not as an individual or one of the people. Like I said learn and get to know about Shia Imamah rather then just banging on based on arrogance.
"Your own judgment on others (that they disobeyed the Holy Prophet s.a.w.) compels you to make such obscure statements"
It's not my judgement but an actual fact. The Prophet s.a.w asked for a pen and paper, for who? So he may write something important for those present, why and what for? So they do not DEVIATE or go ASTRAY. If I'm correct these two words are used.
If the book of Allah was SUFFICIENT then why didn't the Prophet s.a.w know that. And what was the need for the Prophet s.a.w to ask for a pen and paper. WHY did the Prophet s.a.w think that despite the Qur'an, his companions would DEVIATE, GO ASTRAY. What did the Prophet s.a.w see and witness for him to ask for pen and paper and give a clear reason for why he was going to write.
"It is better that you stop accusing Umar"
😊 I didn't accuse Umar. He put himself in it by making his intentions clear 😊
"Shia belief 101 is that the Imam's role is to guide. When Imam Ali (ra) did not bring pen and paper, what guidance was he imparting upon the people? Perhaps he was affirming and upholding Umar's (ra) decision in which case it becomes incumbent upon you to also - like Imam Ali (ra) - side with Umar (ra). An "infallible" Imam adopting the role of a spectator when the Holy Prophet (saw) ordered something is a failed Imam"
The pen and paper was asked for a reason. The Prophet s.a.w had seen, noticed and witnessed something. So the ones who were uncomfortable and uneasy, they were the ones who the Prophet s.a.w asked to bring a pen and paper to keep them in line. There was no need for Ali to bring it. If the problem was seen and noticed in Ali or any other then the Prophet s.a.w surely and most certainly would have asked him or them.
Do you get the point.
Those who were uncomfortable and uneasy were the ones who objected. It was a very intelligent and nice move by the Prophet s.a.w for asking pen and paper from those who he seemed were uncomfortable and uneasy. And their reaction and response made it clear when they objected and argued about it. You can continue to protect them by raising excuses. I understand.
Why should Ali bring the pen and paper when he wasn't the one needing assurance. Nor did the Prophet s.a.w see, notice or witness any change in his nature, stance and behaviour. The ones who were showing signs of difference (deviation, going astray) were the ones who were asked. And their objection and argument exposed them and their intentions.
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November 25, 2016, 07:34:02 PM