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Title: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: fgss on June 30, 2016, 07:02:29 AM
Assalam o Alaikum all respected forum users and guests,

As you all know that alot has been written, discussed and refuted regarding shia lies and accusations made on Quran and Sunnah. I myself had discussed many such things with my shia friends. Lets put negative aspects of shia religion aside for a while and tell me your personel experience and opinion about shia religion in positive sense. That "IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT SHIA RELIGION THAT YOU REALY LIKED AND BENEFITTED FROM IT"?

Share your views, i will also share with you my opninion on this later.


Jazak Allah Khairan.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: muslim720 on June 30, 2016, 01:19:09 PM
Wa'alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullah,
Have I benefited from brothers who are Shias?  Absolutely!  I know a few and they are great Muslims, mashaAllah.  As for benefiting from Shia-ism, I must say no.  My opinion does not come from videos and articles.  With new endeavors and added responsibilities, I have not been able to keep up but I used to be a regular member at one of the Shia mosques in our area.  Furthermore, I alternate between three Shia mosques every Muharram, driving as much as 45 minutes one way to attend lectures and processions although I am always on the sidelines when it is time for chest-beating. 

What I have noticed is that if I learn one good thing (from these meetings), there are another five things said that leave a bad taste in my mouth.  For example, this past Muharram, the mosque I went to was broadcasting a live video feed from another Shia mosque in another state.  The mosque I went to was low on budget and apparently these "scholars" charge a lot for Muharram lectures (something shameful if we consider how hufadh lead Taraweeh for 30 consecutive nights, standing hours at length, free of charge...sometimes they are given a humble token of appreciation at the end of the month).  Back to the Shia mosque!  So I was there and this "scholar" who had the same accent and style of delivery (same hand gestures, same tone of voice, same public speaking mannerism) as Ammar Nakshawani wanted to highlight the merits of one of the wives of the Prophet [saw].  "Well this is a first", I said to myself.  The "scholar" began talking about Umm Salamah [ra].  He spent half of the time, if not more, bashing Ayesha [ra] and Hafsa [ra].  Things he said, I could have refuted more than half of it off the top of my head, without any need for references or refutations.  So it occurred to me....they have a tactic.  They cannot have a lecture on the merits of one person without discrediting another.  And honestly, there is no benefit to attending such a lecture.  You walk out knowing about the merits of Umm Salamah [ra] but your spirit is disturbed because another two Mothers of Believers [ra] were insulted.

You may ask why do I subject myself to such experiences?  So that I am convinced that Shiaism is not true Islam.  And I am!
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: muslim720 on June 30, 2016, 01:21:19 PM
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Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Farid on June 30, 2016, 07:45:10 PM
Wa alaykum alsalam wa rahmatullah,

About Shiasm? No.

About Shias? Yes. I appreciate their efforts to propagate their deen. I do not appreciate the baatil, but I appreciate that they put effort into what they believe is truth.

I hope this makes sense.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Ibn Yahya on July 01, 2016, 04:26:30 AM
Nothing in Shi'ism benefited me, however some values that were taught by some Shi'is to me did. But most of them were borrowed from the Manhaj of Ahl as-Sunnah.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 01, 2016, 08:13:44 PM
I don't like anything about the Shiaism, and that includes the Shias themselves.

I genuinely believe Rawafidh Shias are kaffirs of the highest glut. :)
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: taha taha on July 01, 2016, 10:58:44 PM
Sorry Guys.

I remember some of the women being pretty. The Iranian women when I seen them in Mecca.
It doesnt not last long.
The women when they go old they look ugly.
It must be all the injustice and cursing they do.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Ibn Yahya on July 02, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
I don't like anything about the Shiaism, and that includes the Shias themselves.

I genuinely believe Rawafidh Shias are kaffirs of the highest glut. :)

I'm not disagreeing with you but thats not a reason to like the Shi'i religion  ;D
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Rationalist on July 02, 2016, 10:24:43 AM
The 12er Shia placed a strong emphasis on philosophy.
I also like Najh Al Balagha and Sahifa Sajjadiya.
The belief that Ahlul Bayt should rule.
Taqleed toward the Ahlul Bayt.
Heavy emphasis on Ahlul Bayt.
Ahlul Bayt being pillars on Islam.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Rationalist on July 02, 2016, 10:28:12 AM

So I was there and this "scholar" who had the same accent and style of delivery (same hand gestures, same tone of voice, same public speaking mannerism) as Ammar Nakshawani wanted to highlight the merits of one of the wives of the Prophet [saw].  "Well this is a first", I said to myself.  The "scholar" began talking about Umm Salamah [ra].  He spent half of the time, if not more, bashing Ayesha [ra] and Hafsa [ra].

They attribute a hadith to the 5th imam where he supposedly says Islam is all about love and hate.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: fgss on July 03, 2016, 04:38:43 PM
My opinion.

Yes, there are things that I like about shia religion. Most important, their emphasis and concern about ahlebait. But the problem with shias is that they emphasized and loved them so much that this love shifted them away from major teachings of Quran and they attributed many lies to Prophet and his ahlebait. They are gone so far away that its difficult to get most of them back. May Allah guide them all.

And it is through them that I started learning about Islam deeply and about ahlebait in particular as I was mostly ignorant about several issues pertaining to Islamic history, shia-sunni differences etc, courtesy the community/environment where I lived, because scholars there were of the habbit of hiding such issues from public or they themselves have no knowledge about them. I learned about these issues through my shia friends, but I was very surprised  when heard their interpretations about Quran and history of Islam (as these were totally new things to me). So I started studying both sunni and shia books on hadith,  ilm e rijal, history, tafsir etc. And I found, their most of concepts and interpretations far from what Quran (Text book of Islam) says explicitly.

Alhamdulilah, I am on true manhaj of Ahlul Sunnah but the credit also goes to my shia friends, May Allah guide them. Previously I was muslim by chance, now I am a muslim by choice.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: ShiaMan on July 12, 2016, 10:30:49 PM
I don't like anything about the Shiaism, and that includes the Shias themselves.

I genuinely believe Rawafidh Shias are kaffirs of the highest glut. :)
You will really hate me then. You sound like someone who is 1 lecture away from suicide-bombing a shia mosque.

Clearly you have never heard of the Amman Message - http://ammanmessage.com/
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 13, 2016, 01:22:56 AM
I don't like anything about the Shiaism, and that includes the Shias themselves.

I genuinely believe Rawafidh Shias are kaffirs of the highest glut. :)
You will really hate me then. You sound like someone who is 1 lecture away from suicide-bombing a shia mosque.

Clearly you have never heard of the Amman Message - http://ammanmessage.com/


Yes, I abhor Shias. EDIT: [Removed]

I would never do such a thing, but if it ever happened then I wouldn't sad about it either. :D
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: learning boy on July 13, 2016, 01:26:38 AM

Yes, I abhor Shias. They're worse than pigs. :)

I would never do such a thing, but if it ever happened then I wouldn't sad about it either. :D

!! There it is!!! So I'm assuming the 300+ killed in Iraq during Eid is something you would be happy about. I wonder if the prophet would like it if you thought like that... forget that let me pick someone who you admire even more

abu bakr and umar... would they accept that way of thought?   :o


edit- considering notifying your IP to authorities. ISIS material or what, guys ? They'd love to have you so you can blow yourself to pieces!!!
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 13, 2016, 01:30:17 AM

Yes, I abhor Shias. They're worse than pigs. :)

I would never do such a thing, but if it ever happened then I wouldn't sad about it either. :D

!! There it is!!! So I'm assuming the 300+ killed in Iraq during Eid is something you would be happy about. I wonder if the prophet would like it if you thought like that... forget that let me pick someone who you admire even more

abu bakr and umar... would they accept that way of thought?   :o


edit- considering notifying your IP to authorities. ISIS material or what, guys ? They'd love to have you so you can blow yourself to pieces!!!


EDIT: [Removed]

Abu Bakr (RA), and Umar (RA) the GREATEST people in this Ummah after the Prophet (SAW) would've dealt with Shia/Rawafidh in a harsh manner no doubt. Just like how Abu Bakr (RA) dealt with the apostates of Ridda.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 13, 2016, 01:32:17 AM
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edit- considering notifying your IP to authorities. ISIS material or what, guys ? They'd love to have you so you can blow yourself to pieces!!!

LMAO.

Knock yourself out, pal. Oh, but you guys do that anyway, right? ;)
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: learning boy on July 13, 2016, 01:36:15 AM

LMAO.

Knock yourself out, pal. Oh, but you guys do that anyway, right? ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 01:39:57 AM
Yes, I abhor Shias. They're worse than pigs. :)

I would never do such a thing, but if it ever happened then I wouldn't sad about it either. :D

That is right - you would not be sad about suicide bombing. You would be dead and headless by the way.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 13, 2016, 01:41:07 AM
Yes, I abhor Shias. They're worse than pigs. :)

I would never do such a thing, but if it ever happened then I wouldn't sad about it either. :D

That is right - you would not be sad about suicide bombing. You would be dead and headless by the way.

No, I mean, I wouldn't lose sleep or shed tears of the death of Shia people in their masses.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 13, 2016, 01:41:33 AM

LMAO.

Knock yourself out, pal. Oh, but you guys do that anyway, right? ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Religion: "Other"

Please elaborate?
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 01:45:09 AM
Yes, I abhor Shias. They're worse than pigs. :)

No, I mean, I wouldn't lose sleep or shed tears of the death of Shia people in their masses.

I sincerely thank Allah (swt) for that. Allah knows we do not want nor need the tears of any nasibi.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 13, 2016, 01:54:31 AM
Yes, I abhor Shias. They're worse than pigs. :)

No, I mean, I wouldn't lose sleep or shed tears of the death of Shia people in their masses.

I sincerely thank Allah (swt) for that. Allah knows we do not want nor need the tears of any nasibi.

Like Hussain (RA) doesn't need your flagellating antics, and crocodiles tears, right? :D
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 01:58:52 AM
Like Hussain (RA) doesn't need your flagellating antics, and crocodiles tears, right? :D

he doesnt. We only do it to spite people like you and by the look of things, it works.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 13, 2016, 02:05:38 AM
Like Hussain (RA) doesn't need your flagellating antics, and crocodiles tears, right? :D

he doesnt. We only do it to spite people like you and by the look of things, it works.

At least you admit it.

Thumbs up for you lad.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 03:14:02 AM
Like Hussain (RA) doesn't need your flagellating antics, and crocodiles tears, right? :D

he doesnt. We only do it to spite people like you and by the look of things, it works.

At least you admit it.

Thumbs up for you lad.

It's funny that you have a problem with shias flagellating ourselves but no problem with sunnis suicide - bombing yourselves.

To make it simple for you, it's like you having a problem with papercuts but are okay with deep stab wounds. Laughable
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Ibn Yahya on July 13, 2016, 03:23:28 AM
He doesnt. We only do it to spite people like you and by the look of things, it works.

So in other words your tears of grief, your endless moaning songs and poems, your flagellation and proud chants is all really over the fact that you don't like people with different ideas to you, probable signs of a napolean complex or paranoia.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 03:34:10 AM
He doesnt. We only do it to spite people like you and by the look of things, it works.

So in other words your tears of grief, your endless moaning songs and poems, your flagellation and proud chants is all really over the fact that you don't like people with different ideas to you, probable signs of a napolean complex or paranoia.

I suppose along with truth and all things that are good, you folks don't understand jest either. Hahaha

You should worry about your people who blow themselves up instead of shais scratching ourselves.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: fgss on July 13, 2016, 10:15:20 AM
Rafidhis, Nasibis and Kharijites all are misguided, people of innovation and takfir. They all caused division among ummah and separated from Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamah.

The term Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamah means following the Sunnah of Prophet which is derived only from authentic narrations and to be with the majority (Jamah). Majority means those who are on path of majority of sahabah, tabi'in and taba tabi'in (First 300 hijrah years).

Maula Ali a.s says in Nahjul Balagha sermon 127,

With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is (a prey) to the wolf.

Comment: And the great majority of muslims during the time of Maula Ali a.s were those who loved and befriended Abu Bakr a.s and Umar a.s. We are with that majority of muslims. Majority at that time was not rafidhis, nasibis or kharijis.

What Maula Ali a.s said is in accordance with what Prophet s.a.w.w also said,

(1) "I saw the Prophet [SAW] on the Minbar addressing the people. He said: 'After me there will be many calamities and much evil behavior. Whoever you see splitting away from the Jama'ah or trying to create division among the Ummah of Muhammad [SAW], then kill him, for the Hand of Allah is with the Jama'ah, and the Shaitan is with the one who splits away from the Ummah, running with him.'" Source: http://www.sunnah.com/nasai/37/55

(2) A man said: Messenger of Allah! It seems as if it were a farewell exhortation, so what injunction do you give us?

He then said: I enjoin you to fear Allah, and to hear and obey even if it be an Abyssinian slave, for those of you who live after me will see great disagreement. You must then follow my sunnah and that of the rightly-guided caliphs. Hold to it and stick fast to it. Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. Source: http://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/12

But neither every shia nor every sunni is Rafidhi, Nasibi or Khariji. Accusing anyone of such thing without proper knowledge is also misguidance.
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: Ibn Yahya on July 13, 2016, 05:44:46 PM


I suppose along with truth and all things that are good, you folks don't understand jest either. Hahaha

You should worry about your people who blow themselves up instead of shais scratching ourselves.

So in other words you've admitted that your religion makes no sense in the context of Islam. BTW what did Imam as-Sadiq say about sarcasm?

About suicide bombing. The only people who permit it are Khariji terrorists, but with Self-flagellation (describing it as scratching is like describing stabbing someone as poking someone with a mildly pointy object) the only ones who permit it are Shiites. See the connection?

Since you're so interested in suicide bombing (which is condemned as haram by every sunni scholar) you should know why its totally irrelevant. Kharijis justify suicide bombing by saying its a martyrdom and its Jihad which makes it halal. It is however haram by most scholars because it involves suicide. However you Shia say its permissable based on a loophole i.e that theres nothing prohibiting it (even though thats not true even for shia books). However we say its haram because it is prohibited as a form of grieving due to many reports from the messenger of Allah.

See how they're two totally different subjects? (You do but to save your pride you'll carry on acting like you don't anyway)

Also may I ask why Hezbollah and Iran utilises suicide bombing?
Title: Re: (Question for Sunnies) Is there anything you realy like about shia religion?
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 06:57:50 PM

So in other words you've admitted that your religion makes no sense in the context of Islam. BTW what did Imam as-Sadiq say about sarcasm?


Making fun of chatter Imam Ali means shia islam makes no sense. Clearly logic and jest are not your strong suit.
What does Imam Al-Sadiq say about takfir?


About suicide bombing. The only people who permit it are Khariji terrorists, but with Self-flagellation (describing it as scratching is like describing stabbing someone as poking someone with a mildly pointy object) the only ones who permit it are Shiites. See the connection?

Since you're so interested in suicide bombing (which is condemned as haram by every sunni scholar) you should know why its totally irrelevant. Kharijis justify suicide bombing by saying its a martyrdom and its Jihad which makes it halal. It is however haram by most scholars because it involves suicide. However you Shia say its permissable based on a loophole i.e that theres nothing prohibiting it (even though thats not true even for shia books). However we say its haram because it is prohibited as a form of grieving due to many reports from the messenger of Allah.

See how they're two totally different subjects? (You do but to save your pride you'll carry on acting like you don't anyway)

Also may I ask why Hezbollah and Iran utilises suicide bombing?

Wow - surely you are the first one on this forum to condemn the killings by ISIS and other Kharijees. Kudos brother. Perhaps you can teach chatter Imam Ali something about this.

Since you do not believe in suicide bombing, we can have an intelligent discussion about self-flagellation and grieving. No problem.

It is true that Hezbollah did suicide bombings - but who were they targeting? US and French military bases and not bazaars and markets and innocent bystanders.