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Title: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: MuslimAnswers on August 08, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
Salam Alaykum,

Any comment on the below article from ABNA:

http://en.abna24.com/service/iran/archive/2015/08/06/704292/story.html

It is claiming that Sunnis in Iran have so many rights that they have thousands of prayer halls, even more than Shias. Not that it is a major theological discussion point in and of itself, but it is of interest nonetheless.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Hani on August 08, 2015, 10:48:49 PM
ABNA stands for ahlul-bayt news agency, Shia can do Taqiyyah to make themselves look good, so any article written by a Shiite agency is dismissed.

[The same source reported on Wednesday that Sunnis had 15,000 mosques of their own across the country which well exceeded those of the Shias]

Yeah right!!! lol

If that is the case then it shows that the 20% Iranian Sunnies are more religious and god fearing than the 80% Iranian
Shia. I don't know if they realize what they've just propagated.

[“razing of a praying house belonging to Sunnis have been on building use permit change; “additionally, it had been reported that in the praying house, extremist ideology had been promoted,” said the report.]

Gee I wonder what they mean by "extremist"!? Maybe anything related to pure Islam?

[Sunnis have a total of 9 mosques in the capital]

We need to verify if they're really mosques or just a Musalla.

[“A few residential units were leased by some who changed the building use permit to change them to a mosque; the locals and court authorities believed that the venue was a center of extremist reading of the Islamic texts,”]

Never read texts extremely kids.

[The Islamic Republic of Iran views Sunnis and Shias equally]

And that's more than enough reason to dismiss this entire piece.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Hadrami on August 09, 2015, 01:14:18 AM
they probably didn't expect this big uproar for the latest demolition in Tehran. So apart from so called extremist excuse, its due to permit violation and yet its almost impossible for Sunni to get house of worship permit in Tehran that unfortunately Sunni have to set up such places without permit. Reminds me of Zionist Jews policy when it comes to Palestinian residential building permit.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: MuslimK on August 09, 2015, 01:25:07 AM
Walaikum Salam,

Abna is a notorious Shia propaganda website - If I just spend 5 minutes browsing their website I can find several balant lies.

Sunnis in the Shia republic of Iran face restrictions (with mosques & religious events) not just in Tehran but many other major cities where Shia are majority. There are no Sunni Mosques in Tehran. Those places are some rented places (offices/houses turned into place of worship (namaz khaneh) that not many people can even fit) in different parts of Tehran not Mosque and can be closed/demolished/raided anytime like what happened in Pounak (http://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/sunni-prayer-roomhouse-demolished-in-tehran/) that the article falsely calls 'centre of extremism'.

Iranian Sunni leader on the Sunni Mosque in Tehran:



The article states (the same argument you will hear from every Shia):
Quote
it is totally misguided to designate some mosques with Sunni or Shia affiliations, as Shia would worship and observe their religious rituals in a Sunni-majority district or neighborhood, and Sunnis would attend their rituals in a Shia-majority mosque.

Then all Shia mosques in Majority Sunni countries should be closed? Look at the deception of these people.

Iranian regimes build Shia mosques and Hussaynyes in Majority Sunni Areas, not only that but sends tens of thousands of Shia missionaries to deprived and poor Sunni majority Areas. This deceptive sectarian safavid rule only applies to Sunnis.



[The Islamic Republic of Iran views Sunnis and Shias equally]

And that's more than enough reason to dismiss this entire piece.

+1
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: MuslimK on August 09, 2015, 02:00:23 AM
(Farsi) Recent Khutba of Mawlana Abdol Hamid in which he condemns the destruction of the Namaz Khaneh in Pounak, Tehran and the policy of the regime not allowing the construction of a Sunni Mosque in Tehran:


Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Hadrami on August 09, 2015, 03:57:06 AM
(Farsi) Recent Khutba of Mawlana Abdol Hamid in which he condemns the destruction of the Namaz Khaneh in Pounak, Tehran and the policy of the regime not allowing the construction of a Sunni Mosque in Tehran:




please translate it, if it's too long just edit the part where it mentions this issue. This thing is really important to reveal the sectarian & intolerant nature of that Shia regime. I'm sure the majority of Sunni think Iran is very accommodating & tolerant to Sunni because of their active & deceitful PR machines.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Soccer on March 12, 2020, 10:18:26 PM
So if we are nice and allow you we are doing Taqiya and if we are mean and don't allow you, we are oppressive and zealous.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Adil on March 13, 2020, 06:28:12 AM
So if we are nice and allow you we are doing Taqiya and if we are mean and don't allow you, we are oppressive and zealous.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

London has about 1500 mosques, most of them sunni mosques. London is the capital of a kafir country.

Tehran has 9 sunni mosques according to this title. You want a pat on the back for that? Thank for you being so nice as to allow us 9 mosques, I'm sure the 100,000s of sunnis in tehran appreciate it. That's so nice!!!
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Soccer on March 13, 2020, 05:00:00 PM
London has about 1500 mosques, most of them sunni mosques. London is the capital of a kafir country.

Tehran has 9 sunni mosques according to this title. You want a pat on the back for that? Thank for you being so nice as to allow us 9 mosques, I'm sure the 100,000s of sunnis in tehran appreciate it. That's so nice!!!
Your definition of Mosques changes between the two cities.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Ebn Hussein on March 13, 2020, 10:32:11 PM
That's such a misleading argument by the Ayatullat regime and its mouthpieces. What they don't mention: Rafidah Shia have innovated numerous places of worship next to the mosque. In Iran we have Hosseiniyyeh, Tekkiyyeh (all for the remembrance of Imams and self-flagellation). Yes, Shias do have and build mosques but for every Shia mosque in Saudi, Bahrain and Iran you have 10 Hosseiniyyeh (Husayniyyah) wailing temples. They do not count them in the statistics and thus Sunnis of Iran have PROPORTIONALLY of course more mosques, this is because we did not innovate Omar self flagellation centres (Omariyyah) or what not to Islam!

And besides, even if we had millions of mosque in OUR Sunni areas, these are our lands. Shias run a temple (of course Husayniyyah as usual) in Madinah (look it up in Arabic)! In the land of the 'Wahhabis' that claim no unity. Are 'Wahhabis' the role models and standard for Shias? If not, why do we often hear childish and pathetic whereabouts (logical fallacy) from their leaders and laypeople ("why are Shias oppressed in Saudi blah blah blah") when they are cornered with the fact that Tehran is the only major capital in the Muslim world where:

1. You hear only three Adhans a day (a rukhsah turned into a default/asl by these heretics)!
2. Find tons of massively built Churches, Synagogues and even a big Gurdwara (Sikh temple) but not a SINGLE proper Sunni mosque (the so called Sunni mosques advocated by the regime and its mouthpieces that have been added even to google are nothing but hidden underground prayer houses and flats, so called 'Namazkhanehs').

I've watched it with my own eyes how the Iranian MP Khaz'ali said on TV that the reason that there is no Sunni mosque in Tehran (although the Dajjal Khomeini initially promised it to Maulana Abdul-Aziz Mollazadeh, the then leader of the Sunnis in Iran) is because hardliners would never allow it and that Khamenei (who lived with Sunnis when he was exiled to Iranian Baluchistan by the Shah) fears that Sunnis would easily outshine the SINGLE (in a 10 million city!) Shia Friday prayer (that is more like a farce. Even Shias joke about it, as everybody knows that most attendees are Shia priests, Basij paramilitary and regime employees). I say: Khamenei is right, if I were him I'd to the same, since Sunnis are known to FILL their mosques in Iran, unlike Shias who barely go to mosques. The white thobes and shalwar Qamiz of the Iranian Sunnis, the Tawhid preached, the love for Sahabah and Ahlul-Bayt preached on their pulpits would attract many Shias of Tehran and this is a danger for the Shia clergy. Everybody knows that in Iran. I have written many articles exposing the lies of the regime:

https://sonsofsunnah.com/category/no-sunnah-masjids-in-tehran/

Finally, here some clips the Iranian regime and its mouthpieces won't show in their propaganda articles and PRESS TV documentaries:

&t=1s

&t=18s
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Adil on March 14, 2020, 09:35:57 AM
Your definition of Mosques changes between the two cities.

Regardless of definition, the UK allows us more mosques in their capital than Iran allows for sunnis in tehran.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 14, 2020, 07:44:08 PM
Regardless of definition, the UK allows us more mosques in their capital than Iran allows for sunnis in tehran.

The UK doesn't allow you but allows Muslims. You're the ones who love sectarianism and what to be different and keep separate. A mosque is a mosque and that's how it should be. The UK also sees Shias as Muslims and no different than the others, and you lot? 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 14, 2020, 09:54:49 PM
That's such a misleading argument by the Ayatullat regime and its mouthpieces. What they don't mention: Rafidah Shia have innovated numerous places of worship next to the mosque. In Iran we have Hosseiniyyeh, Tekkiyyeh (all for the remembrance of Imams and self-flagellation). Yes, Shias do have and build mosques but for every Shia mosque in Saudi, Bahrain and Iran you have 10 Hosseiniyyeh (Husayniyyah) wailing temples. They do not count them in the statistics and thus Sunnis of Iran have PROPORTIONALLY of course more mosques, this is because we did not innovate Omar self flagellation centres (Omariyyah) or what not to Islam!

And besides, even if we had millions of mosque in OUR Sunni areas, these are our lands. Shias run a temple (of course Husayniyyah as usual) in Madinah (look it up in Arabic)! In the land of the 'Wahhabis' that claim no unity. Are 'Wahhabis' the role models and standard for Shias? If not, why do we often hear childish and pathetic whereabouts (logical fallacy) from their leaders and laypeople ("why are Shias oppressed in Saudi blah blah blah") when they are cornered with the fact that Tehran is the only major capital in the Muslim world where:

1. You hear only three Adhans a day (a rukhsah turned into a default/asl by these heretics)!
2. Find tons of massively built Churches, Synagogues and even a big Gurdwara (Sikh temple) but not a SINGLE proper Sunni mosque (the so called Sunni mosques advocated by the regime and its mouthpieces that have been added even to google are nothing but hidden underground prayer houses and flats, so called 'Namazkhanehs').

I've watched it with my own eyes how the Iranian MP Khaz'ali said on TV that the reason that there is no Sunni mosque in Tehran (although the Dajjal Khomeini initially promised it to Maulana Abdul-Aziz Mollazadeh, the then leader of the Sunnis in Iran) is because hardliners would never allow it and that Khamenei (who lived with Sunnis when he was exiled to Iranian Baluchistan by the Shah) fears that Sunnis would easily outshine the SINGLE (in a 10 million city!) Shia Friday prayer (that is more like a farce. Even Shias joke about it, as everybody knows that most attendees are Shia priests, Basij paramilitary and regime employees). I say: Khamenei is right, if I were him I'd to the same, since Sunnis are known to FILL their mosques in Iran, unlike Shias who barely go to mosques. The white thobes and shalwar Qamiz of the Iranian Sunnis, the Tawhid preached, the love for Sahabah and Ahlul-Bayt preached on their pulpits would attract many Shias of Tehran and this is a danger for the Shia clergy. Everybody knows that in Iran. I have written many articles exposing the lies of the regime:

https://sonsofsunnah.com/category/no-sunnah-masjids-in-tehran/

Finally, here some clips the Iranian regime and its mouthpieces won't show in their propaganda articles and PRESS TV documentaries:

&t=1s

&t=18s

"You sound like you have some serious issues. Relax, you won't be questioned or held responsible for the words or actions of others. So try to keep your opinion about others to a minimum and stick to yourself by looking in the mirror and where you're going.

"Rafidah Shia have innovated numerous places of worship next to the mosque"

Rubbish. You're still working hard and mentioning nonsense to paint a bad picture about Shias. You got no other way of making people Sunnis?

"In Iran we have Hosseiniyyeh, Tekkiyyeh (all for the remembrance of Imams and self-flagellation)"

Hosseiniyyeh, Tekkiyyeh? In Iran? Are they in Tekkiyyeh or are they trying to spread the revolution and their ideology beyond their boarders? Because you can't do that if you're in Tekkiyyeh can you. Make up your mind.

"Shias do have and build mosques but for every Shia mosque in Saudi, Bahrain and Iran you have 10 Hosseiniyyeh (Husayniyyah) wailing temples"

We don't have temples, it's just your illness that's got the better of you. When you hold grudge that's how you see and speak.

"this is because we did not innovate Omar self flagellation centres (Omariyyah) or what not to Islam"

Neither did we. As far as Omar is concerned, he got what he wanted and how he wanted. He wasn't a man who lived in patience or tolerance. Nor did he or his family go through what Hussain and his family did. There is no comparison what so ever. In simple words there's nothing about Omar that you need to feel sorry or cry about. Never mind about creating flagellation centres. Why would you need to create such centres for Omar.

"And besides, even if we had millions of mosque in OUR Sunni areas, these are our lands"

Note this bit people "these are our lands" can you see the divide that this chap is making. This is pure sectarianism. And this is where division is created and deepened. We are Muslims just like you. No different. You're trying to create and show the difference.

"1. You hear only three Adhans a day (a rukhsah turned into a default/asl by these heretics)"

Is that a problem? And tell me how. Can you show me straight and direct from the Qur'an about five different and separate timings for five prayers?



"2. Find tons of massively built Churches, Synagogues and even a big Gurdwara (Sikh temple) but not a SINGLE proper Sunni mosque"

Do you consider those Sunnis in Iran as same as the Christians or Jews or Hindus or Sikhs? If you do then surely Sunnis in Iran should have, not separate mosques but separate places to worship. Because mosques are Allahs and they belong to Allah. It's in the Qur'an.

"(the so called Sunni mosques advocated by the regime and its mouthpieces that have been added even to google are nothing but hidden underground prayer houses and flats, so called
'Namazkhanehs')"

Show me one single Shia mosque in Iran. The Iranian government is the only Muslim government and Iran is the only Muslim country that doesn't have or allow sectarianism and won't allow such ideology that divides or differentiates one from the other. This is in your head and the others.


Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 14, 2020, 10:11:31 PM
ABNA stands for ahlul-bayt news agency, Shia can do Taqiyyah to make themselves look good, so any article written by a Shiite agency is dismissed.

[The same source reported on Wednesday that Sunnis had 15,000 mosques of their own across the country which well exceeded those of the Shias]

Yeah right!!! lol

If that is the case then it shows that the 20% Iranian Sunnies are more religious and god fearing than the 80% Iranian
Shia. I don't know if they realize what they've just propagated.

[“razing of a praying house belonging to Sunnis have been on building use permit change; “additionally, it had been reported that in the praying house, extremist ideology had been promoted,” said the report.]

Gee I wonder what they mean by "extremist"!? Maybe anything related to pure Islam?

[Sunnis have a total of 9 mosques in the capital]

We need to verify if they're really mosques or just a Musalla.

[“A few residential units were leased by some who changed the building use permit to change them to a mosque; the locals and court authorities believed that the venue was a center of extremist reading of the Islamic texts,”]

Never read texts extremely kids.

[The Islamic Republic of Iran views Sunnis and Shias equally]

And that's more than enough reason to dismiss this entire piece.

"Gee I wonder what they mean by "extremist"

Don't behave like someone who is unknown or unfamiliar. Extremism is ISIS, AL QAIDAH, TALIBAN, SIPA E SAHABA, LASHKAR E JANGVI, LASHKAR E TEYIBA, HAMAS, ISLAMIC JIHAD etc etc etc and etc. Plenty more. All Sunnis. They breed from Sunni mosques and Sunni religious schools. That's why Iran doesn't allow such preaching at mosques and schools. Mosques are mosques and is a place to worship Allah. Why is there a problem for Sunnis to have separate mosques? So they are free to preach sectarianism and division rather than worship.

"Maybe anything related to pure Islam?"

Example of pure and real Islam was Hussain and his companions. The other Islam or Caliphate type Islam was Yazeed or ISIS.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Ebn Hussein on March 15, 2020, 01:00:32 AM
Rafidi Mushrik says:

Sunni Islam = Daesh.

May Allah curse you Mushrik. As for Shia terrorism: People are not blind you know, Shia Militias in Iraq and Syria, Shia death squads who killed THOUSANDS of Iraqi Sunnis (before Daesh was born).
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 15, 2020, 01:48:22 AM
Rafidi Mushrik says:

Sunni Islam = Daesh.

May Allah curse you Mushrik. As for Shia terrorism: People are not blind you know, Shia Militias in Iraq and Syria, Shia death squads who killed THOUSANDS of Iraqi Sunnis (before Daesh was born).

"Sunni Islam = Daesh"

Nope. Terrorism and extremism in Muslims comes from Sunni Islam. All the Muslim terror groups are Sunnis. An element of Sunni Islam breeds extremism and terrorism. This doesn't mean every Sunni is a terrorist or extremist. Most are peaceful. Daesh is Sunni. Are they not.

"May Allah curse you Mushrik"

Lol. Lol again. I thought your kind didn't believe in cursing. Lol. I ain't a mushrik. I'm a Muslim just like you. 😊

"People are not blind you know"

They must be blind. The world hasn't mentioned and spoke about any terror group committing terror offences around the world related to Shiaism.

"Shia Militias in Iraq and Syria, Shia death squads who killed THOUSANDS of Iraqi Sunnis (before Daesh was born)."

You must be living in your own desired world. Al Qaidah, Taliban, Sipa e Sahaba, Lashkar e Jangvi, Lashkar e Teyiba, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Boko Haram, Mek, would you like more. Would you like to mention a few if not more?

You're full of hatred. I can see the venom in your words.

Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 15, 2020, 12:33:00 PM
"Gee I wonder what they mean by "extremist"

Don't behave like someone who is unknown or unfamiliar. Extremism is ISIS, AL QAIDAH, TALIBAN, SIPA E SAHABA, LASHKAR E JANGVI, LASHKAR E TEYIBA, HAMAS, ISLAMIC JIHAD etc etc etc and etc. Plenty more. All Sunnis. They breed from Sunni mosques and Sunni religious schools. That's why Iran doesn't allow such preaching at mosques and schools. Mosques are mosques and is a place to worship Allah. Why is there a problem for Sunnis to have separate mosques? So they are free to preach sectarianism and division rather than worship.

"Maybe anything related to pure Islam?"

Example of pure and real Islam was Hussain and his companions. The other Islam or Caliphate type Islam was Yazeed or ISIS.

Why are you replying to old posts? Are you a messed up Shiite hater who hate Sunni?
you can’t rest until you answer anything all be it with nonsense and tripe.

As for yazid he is history in between him and now Islam achieved a lot history is an open book it’s there to see, terrorism of suicide bombing etc started with.....wait for it.....don’t deny it......Iran yes .....I R A N!!!


“The Islamic Dawa Party's car bombing of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut in December 1981 and Hezbollah's bombing of the U.S. embassy in April 1983 and attack on United States Marine and French barracks in October 1983 brought suicide bombings international attention. Other parties to the civil war were quick to adopt the tactic, and by 1999 factions such as Hezbollah, the Amal Movement, the Ba'ath Party, and the Syrian Social Nationalist Party had carried out around 50 suicide bombings between them. (The latter of these groups sent the first recorded female suicide bomber in 1985.)”

Alqaeeda came came after in the nineties

Bang goes your theory .......again

You crazy shiite bombers paved the way for crazy Sunni suicide bombers, is this what they teach in husseiniyats.😁

Shiism = bullsxxx!

😁
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 15, 2020, 12:43:53 PM
IRAN a cesspit of filth bullshit and lies they lie to their own people about downing of a plane to how many victims of Coronavirus cases they got, its instilled in them from birth all shiites to lie and hate as much as possible and deceive others........exactly like iceman is doing after being trained in husseiniyats to lie and yet this imbecile iceman is supposed to be a teacher.
Teacher of bullxxxx who cannot answer facts.

😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Adil on March 15, 2020, 06:15:02 PM
Ice man makes a good case for why religious shias are so dangerous for society. Ignorance, oppression and stupidity, all rolled into it.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 16, 2020, 02:02:47 AM
Ice man makes a good case for why religious shias are so dangerous for society. Ignorance, oppression and stupidity, all rolled into it.

Nothing constructive. 😊 You sound like someone who's lost all their cards. Bad loser 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 16, 2020, 02:06:12 AM
IRAN a cesspit of filth bullshit and lies they lie to their own people about downing of a plane to how many victims of Coronavirus cases they got, its instilled in them from birth all shiites to lie and hate as much as possible and deceive others........exactly like iceman is doing after being trained in husseiniyats to lie and yet this imbecile iceman is supposed to be a teacher.
Teacher of bullxxxx who cannot answer facts.

😂

Nothing constructive 😊 You sound like someone speechless but has to say something to save their dignity. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 16, 2020, 02:12:42 AM
 :P
Why are you replying to old posts? Are you a messed up Shiite hater who hate Sunni?
you can’t rest until you answer anything all be it with nonsense and tripe.

As for yazid he is history in between him and now Islam achieved a lot history is an open book it’s there to see, terrorism of suicide bombing etc started with.....wait for it.....don’t deny it......Iran yes .....I R A N!!!


“The Islamic Dawa Party's car bombing of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut in December 1981 and Hezbollah's bombing of the U.S. embassy in April 1983 and attack on United States Marine and French barracks in October 1983 brought suicide bombings international attention. Other parties to the civil war were quick to adopt the tactic, and by 1999 factions such as Hezbollah, the Amal Movement, the Ba'ath Party, and the Syrian Social Nationalist Party had carried out around 50 suicide bombings between them. (The latter of these groups sent the first recorded female suicide bomber in 1985.)”

Alqaeeda came came after in the nineties

Bang goes your theory .......again

You crazy shiite bombers paved the way for crazy Sunni suicide bombers, is this what they teach in husseiniyats.😁

Shiism = bullsxxx!

😁

This is what they teach in some sunni madrassas around the globe or some Sunni mosques. Vast majority of the Sunnis are peaceful and noble. It's just hate mongers and separatists like you who live to hate and cause division.

You've missed out again. Let me put it to you.


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HAMAS
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Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
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Hizballah
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Kahane Chai (Kach)
10/8/1997

Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK, aka Kongra-Gel)
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Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
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National Liberation Army (ELN)
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Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
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Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
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Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
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PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
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Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
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Shining Path (SL)
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Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
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Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM)
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Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LeT)
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Asbat al-Ansar (AAA)
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al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
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Communist Party of the Philippines/New People’s Army (CPP/NPA)
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Jemaah Islamiya (JI)
1/30/2003

Lashkar i Jhangvi (LJ)
3/22/2004

Ansar al-Islam (AAI)
7/13/2004

Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA)
12/17/2004

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (formerly al-Qa’ida in Iraq)
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Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)
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Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami/Bangladesh (HUJI-B)
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al-Shabaab
5/18/2009

Revolutionary Struggle (RS)
7/2/2009

Kata’ib Hizballah (KH)
1/19/2010

al-Qa’ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
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Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami (HUJI)
9/1/2010

Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP)
11/4/2010

Jaysh al-Adl (formerly Jundallah)

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Army of Islam (AOI)
9/19/2011

Indian Mujahedeen (IM)
3/13/2012

Jemaah Anshorut Tauhid (JAT)
5/30/2012

Abdallah Azzam Brigades (AAB)
9/19/2012

Haqqani Network (HQN)
3/22/2013

Ansar al-Dine (AAD)
11/14/2013

Boko Haram
11/14/2013

Ansaru
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al-Mulathamun Battalion (AMB)
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Ansar al-Shari’a in Benghazi
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Ansar al-Shari’a in Tunisia
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al-Nusrah Front
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Mujahidin Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem (MSC)
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Jaysh Rijal al-Tariq al Naqshabandi (JRTN)
1/14/2016

ISIL-Khorasan (ISIL-K)
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7/1/2016

Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent
8/17/2017

Hizbul Mujahideen (HM)
2/28/2018

ISIS-Bangladesh
2/28/2018

ISIS-Philippines
2/28/2018

ISIS-West Africa
5/23/2018

ISIS-Greater Sahara
7/11/2018

al-Ashtar Brigades (AAB)
9/6/2018

Jama’at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin (JNIM)
4/15/2019

Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)
1/10/2020

Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq (AAH)
Delisted Foreign Terrorist Organizations

Date Removed

Name

Date Originally Designated

10/8/1999

Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine -Hawatmeh Faction   
10/8/1997

10/8/1999

Khmer Rouge   
10/8/1997

10/8/1999

Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front Dissidents   
10/8/1997

10/8/2001

Japanese Red Army   
10/8/1997

10/8/2001

Tupac Amaru Revolution Movement   
10/8/1997

5/18/2009

Revolutionary Nuclei   
10/8/1997

10/15/2010

Armed Islamic Group (GIA)   
10/8/1997

9/28/2012

Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)   
10/8/1997

5/28/2013

Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM)   
10/11/2005

7/15/2014

United Self Defense Forces of Colombia   
9/10/2001

9/3/2015

Revolutionary Organization 17 November (17N)   
10/8/1997

12/9/2015

Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)   
12/17/2004

6/1/2017

Abu Nidal Organization

How many do you see Shia 😊😊😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 16, 2020, 02:27:35 AM
The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab (militant group), Boko Haram, Indonesian Mujahedeen Council, Taliban, Sipah Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi follow Wahabi or Salafi ideology which is commonly opposed by other Muslims.

ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria), also known as ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), is a Sunni jihadist group with a particularly violent ideology that calls itself a caliphate and claims religious authority over all Muslims. It was inspired by al Qaida but later publicly expelled from it. RAND terrorism experts have analyzed the group's financing, management, and organization; its savvy use of social media for recruitment and fundraising; and the instability that spawned the group as a regional problem in the Middle East.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 16, 2020, 02:37:26 AM
Why are you replying to old posts? Are you a messed up Shiite hater who hate Sunni?
you can’t rest until you answer anything all be it with nonsense and tripe.

As for yazid he is history in between him and now Islam achieved a lot history is an open book it’s there to see, terrorism of suicide bombing etc started with.....wait for it.....don’t deny it......Iran yes .....I R A N!!!


“The Islamic Dawa Party's car bombing of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut in December 1981 and Hezbollah's bombing of the U.S. embassy in April 1983 and attack on United States Marine and French barracks in October 1983 brought suicide bombings international attention. Other parties to the civil war were quick to adopt the tactic, and by 1999 factions such as Hezbollah, the Amal Movement, the Ba'ath Party, and the Syrian Social Nationalist Party had carried out around 50 suicide bombings between them. (The latter of these groups sent the first recorded female suicide bomber in 1985.)”

Alqaeeda came came after in the nineties

Bang goes your theory .......again

You crazy shiite bombers paved the way for crazy Sunni suicide bombers, is this what they teach in husseiniyats.😁

Shiism = bullsxxx!

😁

You talk about 1981 and that's where it started from? 😊 Then digest this.

1960s Palestinian secular movements such as Al Fatah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) began to target civilians outside the immediate arena of conflict. Following Israel's 1967 defeat of Arab forces, Palestinian leaders realized that the Arab world was unable to militarily confront Israel. At the same time, lessons drawn from revolutionary movements in Latin America, North Africa, Southeast Asia as well as during the Jewish struggle against Britain in Palestine, saw the Palestinians move away from classic guerrilla, typically rural-based, warfare toward urban terrorism. Radical Palestinians took advantage of modern communication and transportation systems to internationalize their struggle. They launched a series of hijackings, kidnappings, bombings, and shootings, culminating in the kidnapping and subsequent deaths of Israeli athletes during the 1972 Munich Olympic games.

These Palestinian groups became a model for numerous secular militants, and offered lessons for subsequent ethnic and religious movements. Palestinians created an extensive transnational extremist network -- tied into which were various state sponsors such as the Soviet Union, certain Arab states, as well as traditional criminal organizations. By the end of the 1970s, the Palestinian secular network was a major channel for the spread of terrorist techniques worldwide. 😊😊😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 19, 2020, 04:10:10 PM
Nothing constructive 😊 You sound like someone speechless but has to say something to save their dignity. 😊

Lol dignity of Iran and it’s regime are on line here mate, Iran lied about downing of a plane after they shot it down as well as lying now on how many victims of Coronavirus there are.

I am totally speechless to the actions of this lying regime which you follow and defend blindly.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 19, 2020, 04:16:46 PM
:P
This is what they teach in some sunni madrassas around the globe or some Sunni mosques. Vast majority of the Sunnis are peaceful and noble. It's just hate mongers and separatists like you who live to hate and cause division.

You've missed out again. Let me put it to you.




Hizballah
10/8/1997

How many do you see Shia 😊😊😊



Dimwit 😂😁👍

This is the lies they teach you in hawzas😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 19, 2020, 04:21:52 PM
You talk about 1981 and that's where it started from? 😊 Then digest this.

1960s Palestinian secular movements such as Al Fatah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) began to target civilians outside the immediate arena of conflict. Following Israel's 1967 defeat of Arab forces, Palestinian leaders realized that the Arab world was unable to militarily confront Israel. At the same time, lessons drawn from revolutionary movements in Latin America, North Africa, Southeast Asia as well as during the Jewish struggle against Britain in Palestine, saw the Palestinians move away from classic guerrilla, typically rural-based, warfare toward urban terrorism. Radical Palestinians took advantage of modern communication and transportation systems to internationalize their struggle. They launched a series of hijackings, kidnappings, bombings, and shootings, culminating in the kidnapping and subsequent deaths of Israeli athletes during the 1972 Munich Olympic games.

These Palestinian groups became a model for numerous secular militants, and offered lessons for subsequent ethnic and religious movements. Palestinians created an extensive transnational extremist network -- tied into which were various state sponsors such as the Soviet Union, certain Arab states, as well as traditional criminal organizations. By the end of the 1970s, the Palestinian secular network was a major channel for the spread of terrorist techniques worldwide. 😊😊😊

SUICIDE bombings kid!.......you lot started it  and then the other terrorists latched on to it, like alqaida etc etc.

You showed the way.😊👍
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 19, 2020, 04:22:19 PM


The first large suicide bombing campaign after the Second World War occurred in the 1980s, during the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. The largest bombings happened on 23 October 1983, when a truck was driven into a US Marine base in Lebanon, using 2,000 pounds of explosives. The bomber killed himself, along with 241 military personnel. Seconds later, another bomber struck the operations building of French paratroopers and killed 58 more.

These bombings were blamed on Shiite militant groups supported by Iran. They eventually became the militant group Hezbollah. They went on to be responsible for a series of around 20 suicide attacks directed at the Israeli and Lebanese armies in the 1980s.

Car bombs in Lebanon were already a regular occurrence but suicide attacks added a new dimension to the threat. They required a broad range of security measures and their novelty captured widespread media attention.

Muhammad Hussein Fadalallah, a spiritual guide of Hezbollah, described under what circumstances suicide bombers were to be deployed: ‘We believe that suicide operations should only be carried out if they can bring about a political change in proportion to the passions that incite a person to make his body an explosive bomb.’

These attacks were, then, not seen to be – on the part of the users – pointless acts of brutality but were carefully considered and believed to have a real political impact. In some ways this thinking was borne out by realities. The bombing of the military bases successfully undermined US public support for continued involvement in the Lebanese war, and the Multinational Force withdrew from Lebanon. Similar suicide attacks on Israeli military bases persuaded the Israelis to move out of population centres.

At this stage, for the most part, suicide bombings were directed at military targets, though civilians were sometimes part of the collateral damage.

The highly organised campaign in Lebanon was a breakthrough moment in the history of suicide bombings. The strategic successes helped to popularise the tactic and raise the profile of Hezbollah.  They were the first Islamic group to carry out suicide attacks and the group would go on to play an important role in exporting their knowledge to Palestinian militant groups.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 19, 2020, 04:23:05 PM
I told you shiites started it

😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 19, 2020, 04:23:44 PM
In 1994, around 10 years after suicide attacks began in Lebanon, Palestinian groups like Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad began using suicide bombers against Israeli targets to disrupt talks for a potential peace process. Many of these attacks were deliberately targeted at civilians. Over time, at least 742 civilians were killed and 4,899 were wounded by suicide bombings in Israel and the Palestinian Territories according to data from the University of Chicago. In Lebanon a further 88 civilians were killed by suicide bombings and 160 were wounded.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 20, 2020, 10:08:27 PM
Here is an Iranian terrorist in UK in TODAYS news.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/20/newcastle-man-admits-inciting-terror-attacks-in-germany

“ The British-Iranian, from the Arthur’s Hill area of the city, pleaded guilty to inciting terrorism overseas and engaging in conduct in preparation for giving effect to an intention to assist others to commit terror attacks.”

You can close your eyes and deny all you want but reality does bite.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 12:14:43 PM
Here is an Iranian terrorist in UK in TODAYS news.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/20/newcastle-man-admits-inciting-terror-attacks-in-germany

“ The British-Iranian, from the Arthur’s Hill area of the city, pleaded guilty to inciting terrorism overseas and engaging in conduct in preparation for giving effect to an intention to assist others to commit terror attacks.”

You can close your eyes and deny all you want but reality does bite.

Lol. I don't need to deny. I believe there are a few bad beans in every tin or packet. The  question is Sunnis are a great majority compared to the Shias. You have a hell of alot more tins or packets than we have. So why do you focus on us when your own backyard is absolutely full of it. Why? 😊😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
Lol dignity of Iran and it’s regime are on line here mate, Iran lied about downing of a plane after they shot it down as well as lying now on how many victims of Coronavirus there are.

I am totally speechless to the actions of this lying regime which you follow and defend blindly.

Lol. Lol again. How many Muslim countries do we have. 😊 Out of those how many are Shia governed and how many Sunni. 😊 And you want to talk about only one Shia governed Muslim country with all the nonsense in your own backyard. 😊 What picture do you wish to paint about Shiaism and the Shia community at large through the Iranian regime. 😊 And what's so different and special about all the other Sunni governed Muslim countries. 😊 Would you like us to do the same, to pick a Sunni governed Muslim country and start painting and presenting a picture of Sunnism and the Sunni faith and community based on how the regime of that country operates. 😊 See how easy it is for me to handle you. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 01:10:07 PM
In 1994, around 10 years after suicide attacks began in Lebanon, Palestinian groups like Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad began using suicide bombers against Israeli targets to disrupt talks for a potential peace process. Many of these attacks were deliberately targeted at civilians. Over time, at least 742 civilians were killed and 4,899 were wounded by suicide bombings in Israel and the Palestinian Territories according to data from the University of Chicago. In Lebanon a further 88 civilians were killed by suicide bombings and 160 were wounded.

Why start from 1994? Why not mention from the 1960s. 😊 That's where it started from. 😊 Refer to post #23 as reference. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 01:18:50 PM
I told you shiites started it

😊

Lol. You haven't proven it. 😀 You mentioned the eighties and I mentioned the sixties. The Sunnis started it and I proved it. 😊 Unless you have something in the closet before the sixties. 😀
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 01:22:26 PM

The first large suicide bombing campaign after the Second World War occurred in the 1980s, during the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. The largest bombings happened on 23 October 1983, when a truck was driven into a US Marine base in Lebanon, using 2,000 pounds of explosives. The bomber killed himself, along with 241 military personnel. Seconds later, another bomber struck the operations building of French paratroopers and killed 58 more.

These bombings were blamed on Shiite militant groups supported by Iran. They eventually became the militant group Hezbollah. They went on to be responsible for a series of around 20 suicide attacks directed at the Israeli and Lebanese armies in the 1980s.

Car bombs in Lebanon were already a regular occurrence but suicide attacks added a new dimension to the threat. They required a broad range of security measures and their novelty captured widespread media attention.

Muhammad Hussein Fadalallah, a spiritual guide of Hezbollah, described under what circumstances suicide bombers were to be deployed: ‘We believe that suicide operations should only be carried out if they can bring about a political change in proportion to the passions that incite a person to make his body an explosive bomb.’

These attacks were, then, not seen to be – on the part of the users – pointless acts of brutality but were carefully considered and believed to have a real political impact. In some ways this thinking was borne out by realities. The bombing of the military bases successfully undermined US public support for continued involvement in the Lebanese war, and the Multinational Force withdrew from Lebanon. Similar suicide attacks on Israeli military bases persuaded the Israelis to move out of population centres.

At this stage, for the most part, suicide bombings were directed at military targets, though civilians were sometimes part of the collateral damage.

The highly organised campaign in Lebanon was a breakthrough moment in the history of suicide bombings. The strategic successes helped to popularise the tactic and raise the profile of Hezbollah.  They were the first Islamic group to carry out suicide attacks and the group would go on to play an important role in exporting their knowledge to Palestinian militant groups.

What happened to the 1960s. 😊 Refer to post #23 for reference and to jog your memory. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 01:24:12 PM
SUICIDE bombings kid!.......you lot started it  and then the other terrorists latched on to it, like alqaida etc etc.

You showed the way.😊👍

Prove it. 😊 You got anything in the cupboard before the 1960s. 😀
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 01:26:55 PM


Dimwit 😂😁👍

This is the lies they teach you in hawzas😂

Nope. It's the tactics you learned from certain individuals during the Prophet's s.a.w death and who were at Saqifa. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 21, 2020, 02:43:53 PM
Lol. I don't need to deny. I believe there are a few bad beans in every tin or packet. The  question is Sunnis are a great majority compared to the Shias. You have a hell of alot more tins or packets than we have. So why do you focus on us when your own backyard is absolutely full of it. Why? 😊😊

The chickens comes home to roost😊

That’s what we have been saying all along bad beans and apples yet you was insistent in your false portrayal of just Sunni terrorists.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 21, 2020, 02:51:06 PM
Lol. Lol again. How many Muslim countries do we have. 😊 Out of those how many are Shia governed and how many Sunni. 😊 And you want to talk about only one Shia governed Muslim country with all the nonsense in your own backyard. 😊 What picture do you wish to paint about Shiaism and the Shia community at large through the Iranian regime. 😊 And what's so different and special about all the other Sunni governed Muslim countries. 😊 Would you like us to do the same, to pick a Sunni governed Muslim country and start painting and presenting a picture of Sunnism and the Sunni faith and community based on how the regime of that country operates. 😊 See how easy it is for me to handle you. 😊

We have countless many Sunni countries and please do open a thread on them and add your theories on them, no one is stopping you infact we would probably agree with you on some like we have done with Saudi Arabia.

Your babble is more of a cry because you are a small minded individual who cannot deal with facts instead will change goalposts just to avoid facts.

You are that simple and easy, I wonder where you got your teaching credentials from?😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 21, 2020, 02:53:15 PM
Why start from 1994? Why not mention from the 1960s. 😊 That's where it started from. 😊 Refer to post #23 as reference. 😊

SUICIDE BOMBINGS you started it (check post 29) 10 years after that the Palestinians started copying your kind.

Can’t escape facts kid.😁
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 21, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
What happened to the 1960s. 😊 Refer to post #23 for reference and to jog your memory. 😊

SELECTIVE reading again kid? Suicide bombings is your creation kid you can’t escape that fact.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 21, 2020, 02:56:39 PM
Prove it. 😊 You got anything in the cupboard before the 1960s. 😀

It’s reality and facts which you will deny easily like you do with anything factually negative about shiism and Iran.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 21, 2020, 02:58:22 PM
Nope. It's the tactics you learned from certain individuals during the Prophet's s.a.w death and who were at Saqifa. 😊

Just like the suicide bombings was taught by Ayatollahs who are following the sunnah of ibn Saba.😂👍
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 03:31:32 PM
Just like the suicide bombings was taught by Ayatollahs who are following the sunnah of ibn Saba.😂👍

Lol. It doesn't matter how or which way you come, I'll always deliver the knock out punch 😂

Ibne Saba? What, the one who got the better of Usman the third Caliph. 😊 Is he the one you're talking about. 😊 Ibne Saba is a tale created just to put people off Shiaism. Nor surprised. This propaganda has been going on for nearly 1400 years. And you're still struggling with it. Don't you think it's time for you to create new tales rather than relying on old ones. 😀
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 03:36:56 PM
SUICIDE BOMBINGS you started it (check post 29) 10 years after that the Palestinians started copying your kind.

Can’t escape facts kid.😁

PROVE IT KID. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 03:40:20 PM
The chickens comes home to roost😊

That’s what we have been saying all along bad beans and apples yet you was insistent in your false portrayal of just Sunni terrorists.

And that's what I've been saying all along that take a look in the mirror rather than pointing fingers. 😀 You live in a glass house and are throwing stones. 😀 Focus and worry about yourself. 😊 Don't waste your time and energy in propaganda against us. Spend that time and energy in sorting your own house out. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 03:44:49 PM
SELECTIVE reading again kid? Suicide bombings is your creation kid you can’t escape that fact.

"SELECTIVE reading again kid?"

And you, isn't that selective reading? 😀

"bombings is your creation kid"

Prove it chuck. 😀


"you can’t escape that fact"

And why are you running from it by looking for excuses. 😀
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 21, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
It’s reality and facts which you will deny easily like you do with anything factually negative about shiism and Iran.

About Shiaism and Iran? Shiaism is a minority and Iran is just one Shia Muslim governed country out of how many Muslim governed countries kid? 😊 And Sunnis are the majority and how many Sunni Muslim governed countries are there kid? 😊 Would you like me to start painting a picture, by selecting a handful of Sunni Muslims and Sunni regimes and what they get upto, about Sunni Islam and the Sunni communities around the globe chuck? 😀 This is how easy it is for me to expose your propaganda kid. 😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 25, 2020, 03:22:26 PM
Lol. It doesn't matter how or which way you come, I'll always deliver the knock out punch 😂

Ibne Saba? What, the one who got the better of Usman the third Caliph. 😊 Is he the one you're talking about. 😊 Ibne Saba is a tale created just to put people off Shiaism. Nor surprised. This propaganda has been going on for nearly 1400 years. And you're still struggling with it. Don't you think it's time for you to create new tales rather than relying on old ones. 😀

The reality of Saba haunts you and it will do till death, yea a myth that even Ali ra banished him from the land.😂

It was Saba’s idea that imams are divine, Ali ra did away with such nonsense and yet here you are the offspring of such nonsense that is entertainment for us muslims.😁
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 25, 2020, 03:23:54 PM
PROVE IT KID. 😊

Check the post kid and try to research......ISLAMIC SUICIDE bombings and how they started.

Don’t expect me to spoon feed you......kid.😁
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 25, 2020, 03:29:11 PM
And that's what I've been saying all along that take a look in the mirror rather than pointing fingers. 😀 You live in a glass house and are throwing stones. 😀 Focus and worry about yourself. 😊 Don't waste your time and energy in propaganda against us. Spend that time and energy in sorting your own house out. 😊

LIAR! You haven’t been saying what I just posted above, you the dimwit you are portraying terrorism started with Sunnis and we all know that for you deep down it started from saqifa, I answered ok then SUICIDE bombings were started by shiites.

Look at your answer you haven’t a clue instead you ignore that and carry on with your tripe.

Grow up kid and answer accordingly or state something that is relied on by facts, so far your answering from your backside just for the sake of answering.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 25, 2020, 03:33:40 PM
"SELECTIVE reading again kid?"

And you, isn't that selective reading? 😀

"bombings is your creation kid"

Prove it chuck. 😀


"you can’t escape that fact"

And why are you running from it by looking for excuses. 😀


A prime example of selective reading by iceman.......”bombings is your creation kid.”

Why did you INTENTIONALLY miss out “SUICIDE”???

My sentence is “SUICIDE bombings is your creation kid.”

Why do you do this? Is it a fact you can’t answer?
You did the same for Nuwera blocking out the main issue...sajjah and concentrating on vague history instead.

Typical Shiite
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 25, 2020, 03:40:00 PM
About Shiaism and Iran? Shiaism is a minority and Iran is just one Shia Muslim governed country out of how many Muslim governed countries kid? 😊 And Sunnis are the majority and how many Sunni Muslim governed countries are there kid? 😊 Would you like me to start painting a picture, by selecting a handful of Sunni Muslims and Sunni regimes and what they get upto, about Sunni Islam and the Sunni communities around the globe chuck? 😀 This is how easy it is for me to expose your propaganda kid. 😂

For the sake of Allah swt how old are you?

You have opened a thread or another member did because you was so weak to open one about Saudi Arabia and how it’s bad you can ADD other Sunni Muslim countries too and I/we will agree with what is true and condemn it which I/we did.
Now all you are doing is repeating the same mantra about how you can do same for Sunni countries (yet you haven’t and never will) because you cannot answer the bad Iran or shiites do.

You are weak coward individual who will talk trash all day with no substance.

Ustaad iceman😂😂😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 27, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
For the sake of Allah swt how old are you?

You have opened a thread or another member did because you was so weak to open one about Saudi Arabia and how it’s bad you can ADD other Sunni Muslim countries too and I/we will agree with what is true and condemn it which I/we did.
Now all you are doing is repeating the same mantra about how you can do same for Sunni countries (yet you haven’t and never will) because you cannot answer the bad Iran or shiites do.

You are weak coward individual who will talk trash all day with no substance.

Ustaad iceman😂😂😂

Lol. Lol again. How many Muslim countries are there? How many are Shia governed? And you can't digest that. 😊 Anything good, useful and positive about Iran and the Iranian regime? 😊 You need to give it a rest kid. The Iranian regime and how they govern doesn't make them a dictatorship or completely bad. Nor can you judge the entire Shia community around the globe based on Iran and how they govern. 😊 Move on with your propaganda kid. Get a life. Do and engage in something good, positive and useful. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on March 29, 2020, 12:43:19 PM
Lol. Lol again. How many Muslim countries are there? How many are Shia governed? And you can't digest that. 😊 Anything good, useful and positive about Iran and the Iranian regime? 😊 You need to give it a rest kid. The Iranian regime and how they govern doesn't make them a dictatorship or completely bad. Nor can you judge the entire Shia community around the globe based on Iran and how they govern. 😊 Move on with your propaganda kid. Get a life. Do and engage in something good, positive and useful. 😊

Oh ustaad sahib I don’t judge the entire Shias based on Iran, Infact you judge all Sunnis based on saqifa it’s very CLEAR to see anything like terrorism etc you relate it back to saqifa and sahaba ra I am merely pointing out facts on Iran, if you want to be a dimwit and close your eyes to it then fair enough but you cannot escape the reality of Iran.

Just like you make up divine Imamate in your head, Iran is also pure according to your low IQ.😂

Rejoice ustaad you know what the prophet pbuh and ahle baith ra didn’t know😂😂😂

You the ustaad....

......of dimwits😂😂😂

Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on March 29, 2020, 11:50:35 PM
Oh ustaad sahib I don’t judge the entire Shias based on Iran, Infact you judge all Sunnis based on saqifa it’s very CLEAR to see anything like terrorism etc you relate it back to saqifa and sahaba ra I am merely pointing out facts on Iran, if you want to be a dimwit and close your eyes to it then fair enough but you cannot escape the reality of Iran.

Just like you make up divine Imamate in your head, Iran is also pure according to your low IQ.😂

Rejoice ustaad you know what the prophet pbuh and ahle baith ra didn’t know😂😂😂

You the ustaad....

......of dimwits😂😂😂

"Infact you judge all Sunnis based on saqifa"

No I don't. Not all Sunnis are the same. There's just a handful like you who are full of hate and into propaganda when it comes to Shia faith and community.

"it’s very CLEAR to see anything like terrorism etc you relate it back to saqifa and sahaba ra"

No I don't. Facts relate it. Using means of violence and threatening behaviour just to have your demands met, in Jamal and Safeen people did that against the Islamic Caliphate and the Ulul Amre of the time. You play double standards here just as anywhere else. 😊

"I am merely pointing out facts on Iran"

😊 That's fine. 😊 Just merely point facts out about others as well while you're at it. 😊 Also anything good, useful and positive about Iran while you're at it. 😊 Is there any justice within you 😊 Any fairness 😊

"if you want to be a dimwit and close your eyes to it"

Don't be a dimwit yourself, anything good, useful and positive about Iran. 😊

"Just like you make up divine Imamate in your head, Iran is also pure according to your low"

I don't make up anything. And try to stick to one subject. 😊 Or are you addicted to hopping and running away. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 02, 2020, 02:21:15 PM
"Infact you judge all Sunnis based on saqifa"

No I don't. Not all Sunnis are the same. There's just a handful like you who are full of hate and into propaganda when it comes to Shia faith and community.

"it’s very CLEAR to see anything like terrorism etc you relate it back to saqifa and sahaba ra"

No I don't. Facts relate it. Using means of violence and threatening behaviour just to have your demands met, in Jamal and Safeen people did that against the Islamic Caliphate and the Ulul Amre of the time. You play double standards here just as anywhere else. 😊

"I am merely pointing out facts on Iran"

😊 That's fine. 😊 Just merely point facts out about others as well while you're at it. 😊 Also anything good, useful and positive about Iran while you're at it. 😊 Is there any justice within you 😊 Any fairness 😊

"if you want to be a dimwit and close your eyes to it"

Don't be a dimwit yourself, anything good, useful and positive about Iran. 😊

"Just like you make up divine Imamate in your head, Iran is also pure according to your low"

I don't make up anything. And try to stick to one subject. 😊 Or are you addicted to hopping and running away. 😊

Yes you do you regurgitate the same argument which leads you back to saqifa and sahaba ra, it’s typical and it’s evident here just look at your posts.

Lol Jamal siffeen blah blah blah that’s history generations have passed and moved on yet you are still crying over spilt milk, when we post FACTS about Iran and or Shias that do wrong nowadays, you completely deny it and call us haters. You have no other answer it’s the same with divine Imamate you have nothing apart from accusing others of being blind while you can see.😂👍

Iran can do good it’s not evil the regime isn’t evil but it can wrong too just like Sunni nations or leaders, NOTHING Iran or shiites do is wrong in your pure eyes .😜

Dimwit has no facts to counter my facts .......Iran/contra, Iran lying, Shiite militias etc
Keep talking bs ustaad your shiites love dimwits like yourself you’re good at entertaining taqiya laden Shiite minions.😂

I am addicted to your assumptions and how you blatantly ADD your own theories in Quran , I did say and I often REPEAT it that you are a joke and a a great laugh, I find it really funny that you have to ADD something from your imagination and call it the word of god.😂😂😂

Ustaad you crease me up 😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 02, 2020, 03:36:19 PM
Yes you do you regurgitate the same argument which leads you back to saqifa and sahaba ra, it’s typical and it’s evident here just look at your posts.

Lol Jamal siffeen blah blah blah that’s history generations have passed and moved on yet you are still crying over spilt milk, when we post FACTS about Iran and or Shias that do wrong nowadays, you completely deny it and call us haters. You have no other answer it’s the same with divine Imamate you have nothing apart from accusing others of being blind while you can see.😂👍

Iran can do good it’s not evil the regime isn’t evil but it can wrong too just like Sunni nations or leaders, NOTHING Iran or shiites do is wrong in your pure eyes .😜

Dimwit has no facts to counter my facts .......Iran/contra, Iran lying, Shiite militias etc
Keep talking bs ustaad your shiites love dimwits like yourself you’re good at entertaining taqiya laden Shiite minions.😂

I am addicted to your assumptions and how you blatantly ADD your own theories in Quran , I did say and I often REPEAT it that you are a joke and a a great laugh, I find it really funny that you have to ADD something from your imagination and call it the word of god.😂😂😂

Ustaad you crease me up 😂

"Yes you do you regurgitate the same argument which leads you back to saqifa and sahaba ra, it’s typical and it’s evident here just look at your posts"

Nope. You base everything around justifying saqifa and protecting the Shaykhain. You don't think rationally nor discuss reasonably.

"Lol Jamal siffeen blah blah blah that’s history generations have passed and moved on yet you are still crying over spilt milk"

Spilt milk? Lol. Lol again. To distinguish between right and wrong is crying over spilt milk to you 😊 To talk about history is crying over spilt milk to you 😊

You believe in Caliphate and those who oppose any of the first three or Caliphate itself is wrong and slagged off by you. But when it comes to opposing and challenging your 4th rightly guided Caliph then all of a sudden your policy and stance changes. Double standards kick in.

If anyone accuses Sahaba of any wrong doing or hypocrisy or criticises or condems any Sahabi then they are accused of takfeer on sahaba. But when questioned about Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men then all of a sudden and out of the blue your policy and stance changes and you go all the way of accusing sahaba of apostasy. Double standards kick in again. 😀

"when we post FACTS about Iran and or Shias that do wrong nowadays, you completely deny it and call us haters"

Nope. I accuse you of hypocrisy. Why just about Iran and Shias when Iran is only one Muslim governed country out of how many 😊 And Shias are what percentage of the Muslims 😊 I accuse you of being prejudice towards Iran and the Shias.

You want to post wrong doing then start from the beginning. And that is Saqifa and the first Caliph. You want to talk about wrong doing then start from the sahaba, since they were the first Muslims. Start from the beginning and where problems began from. That's where governance about Muslims started from. You want to talk about wrong doing about Shias then accept wrong doing about Sunnis.

"You have no other answer it’s the same with divine Imamate you have nothing apart from accusing others of being blind while you can see"

Divine Imamate, Allah has put someone third in line in authority, the Prophet s.a.w didn't pass away without naming and appointing someone to govern after him has been proven on many occasions straight from the Qur'an itself. 😊

You stick with saqifa an unfortunate incident and the immature and illegitimate decision made there. We stick with the Qur'an and Sunnah. We are the Sunnis following the Sunnah of Muhammad s.a.w. Not you.

"Iran can do good it’s not evil the regime isn’t evil but it can wrong too just like Sunni nations or leaders, NOTHING Iran or shiites do is wrong in your pure eyes"

You want to talk about wrong doing then try to talk with a bit of justice and fairness. With a bit of honesty and decency. Try it. It's not too difficult 😊 When the Iranian revolution took place and during the revolution, which is change in Iran brought about by vast majority of the Iranian people how was Iran, the Iranian people and the revolution seen and treated by the Arab world along with the west. 😊

When Khomeini came to power in Iran why did he refuse to become the leader of Iran and not take part in the democratic elections. 😊 How was Iran and its new leadership seen and treated by the Arabs and the West 😊 How many members of the Iranian government were killed by MUJAHIDEEN E KHALQ 😊

Talk justice my dear. 😊 I'm not for or against anyone, be it Iran or Saudi Arabia, Ahlul Bayt or Sahaba, Sunnis or Shias. That's how you are. And that's how you see me.

"Dimwit has no facts to counter my facts .......Iran/contra, Iran lying, Shiite militias etc"

The footage I sent you, if the contra affair was true and a known fact then why didn't the host challenge the Iranian foreign minister by mentioning it and taking him on. 😊 Yes shia militias have been created and put together by Iran to defend and protect the community (Shias Sunnis and other minorities and humans) in that region. By challenging and taking on the Sunni militias and militants that have been killing Sunnis as well as Shias and other ethnic and religious minorities and communities. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 05, 2020, 02:26:44 PM
"Yes you do you regurgitate the same argument which leads you back to saqifa and sahaba ra, it’s typical and it’s evident here just look at your posts"

Nope. You base everything around justifying saqifa and protecting the Shaykhain. You don't think rationally nor discuss reasonably.

"Lol Jamal siffeen blah blah blah that’s history generations have passed and moved on yet you are still crying over spilt milk"

Spilt milk? Lol. Lol again. To distinguish between right and wrong is crying over spilt milk to you 😊 To talk about history is crying over spilt milk to you 😊

You believe in Caliphate and those who oppose any of the first three or Caliphate itself is wrong and slagged off by you. But when it comes to opposing and challenging your 4th rightly guided Caliph then all of a sudden your policy and stance changes. Double standards kick in.

If anyone accuses Sahaba of any wrong doing or hypocrisy or criticises or condems any Sahabi then they are accused of takfeer on sahaba. But when questioned about Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men then all of a sudden and out of the blue your policy and stance changes and you go all the way of accusing sahaba of apostasy. Double standards kick in again. 😀

"when we post FACTS about Iran and or Shias that do wrong nowadays, you completely deny it and call us haters"

Nope. I accuse you of hypocrisy. Why just about Iran and Shias when Iran is only one Muslim governed country out of how many 😊 And Shias are what percentage of the Muslims 😊 I accuse you of being prejudice towards Iran and the Shias.

You want to post wrong doing then start from the beginning. And that is Saqifa and the first Caliph. You want to talk about wrong doing then start from the sahaba, since they were the first Muslims. Start from the beginning and where problems began from. That's where governance about Muslims started from. You want to talk about wrong doing about Shias then accept wrong doing about Sunnis.

"You have no other answer it’s the same with divine Imamate you have nothing apart from accusing others of being blind while you can see"

Divine Imamate, Allah has put someone third in line in authority, the Prophet s.a.w didn't pass away without naming and appointing someone to govern after him has been proven on many occasions straight from the Qur'an itself. 😊

You stick with saqifa an unfortunate incident and the immature and illegitimate decision made there. We stick with the Qur'an and Sunnah. We are the Sunnis following the Sunnah of Muhammad s.a.w. Not you.

"Iran can do good it’s not evil the regime isn’t evil but it can wrong too just like Sunni nations or leaders, NOTHING Iran or shiites do is wrong in your pure eyes"

You want to talk about wrong doing then try to talk with a bit of justice and fairness. With a bit of honesty and decency. Try it. It's not too difficult 😊 When the Iranian revolution took place and during the revolution, which is change in Iran brought about by vast majority of the Iranian people how was Iran, the Iranian people and the revolution seen and treated by the Arab world along with the west. 😊

When Khomeini came to power in Iran why did he refuse to become the leader of Iran and not take part in the democratic elections. 😊 How was Iran and its new leadership seen and treated by the Arabs and the West 😊 How many members of the Iranian government were killed by MUJAHIDEEN E KHALQ 😊

Talk justice my dear. 😊 I'm not for or against anyone, be it Iran or Saudi Arabia, Ahlul Bayt or Sahaba, Sunnis or Shias. That's how you are. And that's how you see me.

"Dimwit has no facts to counter my facts .......Iran/contra, Iran lying, Shiite militias etc"

The footage I sent you, if the contra affair was true and a known fact then why didn't the host challenge the Iranian foreign minister by mentioning it and taking him on. 😊 Yes shia militias have been created and put together by Iran to defend and protect the community (Shias Sunnis and other minorities and humans) in that region. By challenging and taking on the Sunni militias and militants that have been killing Sunnis as well as Shias and other ethnic and religious minorities and communities. 😊

Ustaad dimwit if it wasn’t saqifa or sahabas rule then the way was paved for divine Imamate hence your HATE for saqifa and sahabas because divine Imamate NEVER saw light of day so yes it’s always been a problem and still is and it shows in almost all your posts to me or other brothers.
You are stuck in this conundrum for a millennia just look at your posts.😁

The thing is it’s past and in the past no ahlubaith ra mentioned they were divine or ruled as a divine imam no mention in Quran or sunnah not even for a second did divine Imamate EVER have any rule or followers until after the demise of the imams the ghuluw followers started making this divinity thing up and left it to their off spring like you to explain to us the irrationality of such nonsense.......here you are ustaad dimwit.😂

Yes you can oppose a khaliph when did I say that is wrong? As long as you don’t oppose rules of the Quran like not paying zakah and joining forces with kaafir prophetesses to  fight your own Muslim brothers.
2 different situations ustaad.😆

I’ve noticed so far in your responses that when cornered your come back is ......hater! And now you’ve added a new word to your vocabulary “prejudice” lol whatever it is in your small feeble mind any FACTS is hate or prejudice, Iran can’t do no wrong!😂

Don’t blame the sahabas for the false idea of divine Imamate that was Saba’s forte and now you believing in that nonsense ASSUME it was sahabas wanting power and creating the event of saqifa and you have no proof of sahabas usurping power not of any ahlu baith ra mentioning that they are godly chosen/divine rulers.😂
This is what keeps me in stitches lol that normal humans overpowered divinely chosen beings and your only comeback is......you hate your prejudiced you don’t think rational blah blah blah.😂

There is no divine Imamate concept in Quran or sunnah nor did any ahlu baith ra mention such a thing. Keep dreaming and using ambiguous verses to keep yourself strong in falsehood.😁👍

Alhamdulillah I will stick with the event of saqifa yes just like imam Ali ra agreed with it too and gave bayah.......only you modern day 12’rs know more than the chosen ones themselves.😂👍

Ustaad dimwit and his answers 😂😂😂

This is shiism me a nobody goes to work don’t study much have basic knowledge on Islam that’s it I am not knowledgeable but I got this Shiite ustaad dimwit an ustaad a teacher who cannot fathom facts or reality and cannot give me any proof/evidence of divine rule clearly being mentioned in Quran or sunnah honestly this is how EASY shiism is.😂😂😂

It’s saqifa and sahabas fault for us Sunni according to shiite thought as portrayed by a syed ustaad named dimwit.😂😜

Saqifa sahaba = trouble 😂😂😂

Grow up and give us some rational answers.

Men can overpower Allah swt’s CHOSEN people........yea in Shiism!!😂😂😂

This is syed ustaad dimwits rationality!😂😂😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 06, 2020, 01:40:50 AM
Ustaad dimwit if it wasn’t saqifa or sahabas rule then the way was paved for divine Imamate hence your HATE for saqifa and sahabas because divine Imamate NEVER saw light of day so yes it’s always been a problem and still is and it shows in almost all your posts to me or other brothers.
You are stuck in this conundrum for a millennia just look at your posts.😁

The thing is it’s past and in the past no ahlubaith ra mentioned they were divine or ruled as a divine imam no mention in Quran or sunnah not even for a second did divine Imamate EVER have any rule or followers until after the demise of the imams the ghuluw followers started making this divinity thing up and left it to their off spring like you to explain to us the irrationality of such nonsense.......here you are ustaad dimwit.😂

Yes you can oppose a khaliph when did I say that is wrong? As long as you don’t oppose rules of the Quran like not paying zakah and joining forces with kaafir prophetesses to  fight your own Muslim brothers.
2 different situations ustaad.😆

I’ve noticed so far in your responses that when cornered your come back is ......hater! And now you’ve added a new word to your vocabulary “prejudice” lol whatever it is in your small feeble mind any FACTS is hate or prejudice, Iran can’t do no wrong!😂

Don’t blame the sahabas for the false idea of divine Imamate that was Saba’s forte and now you believing in that nonsense ASSUME it was sahabas wanting power and creating the event of saqifa and you have no proof of sahabas usurping power not of any ahlu baith ra mentioning that they are godly chosen/divine rulers.😂
This is what keeps me in stitches lol that normal humans overpowered divinely chosen beings and your only comeback is......you hate your prejudiced you don’t think rational blah blah blah.😂

There is no divine Imamate concept in Quran or sunnah nor did any ahlu baith ra mention such a thing. Keep dreaming and using ambiguous verses to keep yourself strong in falsehood.😁👍

Alhamdulillah I will stick with the event of saqifa yes just like imam Ali ra agreed with it too and gave bayah.......only you modern day 12’rs know more than the chosen ones themselves.😂👍

Ustaad dimwit and his answers 😂😂😂

This is shiism me a nobody goes to work don’t study much have basic knowledge on Islam that’s it I am not knowledgeable but I got this Shiite ustaad dimwit an ustaad a teacher who cannot fathom facts or reality and cannot give me any proof/evidence of divine rule clearly being mentioned in Quran or sunnah honestly this is how EASY shiism is.😂😂😂

It’s saqifa and sahabas fault for us Sunni according to shiite thought as portrayed by a syed ustaad named dimwit.😂😜

Saqifa sahaba = trouble 😂😂😂

Grow up and give us some rational answers.

Men can overpower Allah swt’s CHOSEN people........yea in Shiism!!😂😂😂

This is syed ustaad dimwits rationality!😂😂😂

You hate the sahaba by sending takfeer on them. You accuse the sahaba of becoming apostates by joining and siding with sajjah. You cheer on their execution and not me. 😊

Divine imamah has been proven many times over and here it is again just for your eyes only. Was Abraham promoted, demoted or given a title of a similar nature by being made an Imam of the people which he wasn't before ? 😊

It's not Saqifa and sahaba's fault but those who followed it blindly just like you. A coincidental, immature and illegitimate decision. 😊

If that's how easy Shiaism is then why are you struggling and why have your ancestors struggled with it for 1400 years.  😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 07, 2020, 02:45:04 PM
You hate the sahaba by sending takfeer on them. You accuse the sahaba of becoming apostates by joining and siding with sajjah. You cheer on their execution and not me. 😊

Divine imamah has been proven many times over and here it is again just for your eyes only. Was Abraham promoted, demoted or given a title of a similar nature by being made an Imam of the people which he wasn't before ? 😊

It's not Saqifa and sahaba's fault but those who followed it blindly just like you. A coincidental, immature and illegitimate decision. 😊

If that's how easy Shiaism is then why are you struggling and why have your ancestors struggled with it for 1400 years.  😊

I do hate and detest Nuwera who left Islam and followed a new prophet just like you shiites left the ahlu baith and started following a new concept alien to Islam.
It’s no surprise then why you are defending him.😂👍

Answered many times here it is again NO!! He wasn’t appointed nor does the Quran say He was appointed its only YOU who says He was appointed proving my point how you ADD concepts and ideas yourself so it corresponds with your view. That’s how simple you and your argument is.😜😂

Lol your 3rd statement doesn’t make no sense whatsoever I will put that down to your intelligence which is mixed with all the nonsense of divine imams it’s confusing your mushy brain.
If it wasn’t saqifas or sahabas fault but US followers at fault is it coz we followed an illegitimate decision? Please do ask questions which a layman understands.😁

Shiism is that easy that our ancestors buried your ancestors with solid arguments to this day our ancestors asked a simple question proof your concept from Quran and sunnah with clear evidence.👍

You have NO clear evidence at all.😁
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 07, 2020, 06:18:36 PM
I do hate and detest Nuwera who left Islam and followed a new prophet just like you shiites left the ahlu baith and started following a new concept alien to Islam.
It’s no surprise then why you are defending him.😂👍

Answered many times here it is again NO!! He wasn’t appointed nor does the Quran say He was appointed its only YOU who says He was appointed proving my point how you ADD concepts and ideas yourself so it corresponds with your view. That’s how simple you and your argument is.😜😂

Lol your 3rd statement doesn’t make no sense whatsoever I will put that down to your intelligence which is mixed with all the nonsense of divine imams it’s confusing your mushy brain.
If it wasn’t saqifas or sahabas fault but US followers at fault is it coz we followed an illegitimate decision? Please do ask questions which a layman understands.😁

Shiism is that easy that our ancestors buried your ancestors with solid arguments to this day our ancestors asked a simple question proof your concept from Quran and sunnah with clear evidence.👍

You have NO clear evidence at all.😁

"I do hate and detest Nuwera who left Islam and followed a new prophet"

So you do believe that a popular and well known companion can go astray infact as far as becoming an apostate.

So Malik bin Nuwayrah according to you not only believed that Muhammad s.a.w was the final and last Prophet bit was also a companion of the Prophet s.a.w.

Then according to you he believed in and followed another self proclaimed Prophet by the name of Sajjah after the demise of Muhammad s.a.w.

So therefore according to you he really or fully didn't believe in Muhammad s.a.w being the last and final Prophet.

OK, so according to you companions can go astray after the death of Muhammad s.a.w. But only for you. If someone else accuses or believes that a companion went astray then there's a who haa of takfeer on sahaba from you. And you will accuse them of hate towards sahaba 😊

:just like you shiites left the ahlu baith and started following a new concept alien to Islam"

Nope. Our belief is based entirely on Qur'an and Sunnah. Yours is based on the immature, illegitimate and coincidental decision made in saqifa by a handful of people. Or on double standards on just about every matter.

:It’s no surprise then why you are defending him"

I'm not defending him just making a point. He doesn't need defending. You're accusing him without any thought, consideration or proper evidence.

"Lol your 3rd statement doesn’t make no sense whatsoever I will put that down to your intelligence which is mixed with all the nonsense of divine imams"

Abraham was divine and was made an Imam after succeeding a trail. You call the words and decision of Allah nonsense.

"Shiism is that easy that our ancestors buried your ancestors with solid arguments to this day our ancestors asked a simple question proof your concept from Quran and sunnah with clear evidence"

Your ancestors along with you have always been very frightened by the Shia faith that they had to indulge in false accusations about Shias to keep people away from this Qur'anic belief just as you indulge in painting a bad picture about Shias just to keep people away. It didn't work then nor is it working now. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 08, 2020, 12:44:13 PM
"I do hate and detest Nuwera who left Islam and followed a new prophet"

So you do believe that a popular and well known companion can go astray infact as far as becoming an apostate.

So Malik bin Nuwayrah according to you not only believed that Muhammad s.a.w was the final and last Prophet bit was also a companion of the Prophet s.a.w.

Then according to you he believed in and followed another self proclaimed Prophet by the name of Sajjah after the demise of Muhammad s.a.w.

So therefore according to you he really or fully didn't believe in Muhammad s.a.w being the last and final Prophet.

OK, so according to you companions can go astray after the death of Muhammad s.a.w. But only for you. If someone else accuses or believes that a companion went astray then there's a who haa of takfeer on sahaba from you. And you will accuse them of hate towards sahaba 😊

:just like you shiites left the ahlu baith and started following a new concept alien to Islam"

Nope. Our belief is based entirely on Qur'an and Sunnah. Yours is based on the immature, illegitimate and coincidental decision made in saqifa by a handful of people. Or on double standards on just about every matter.

:It’s no surprise then why you are defending him"

I'm not defending him just making a point. He doesn't need defending. You're accusing him without any thought, consideration or proper evidence.

"Lol your 3rd statement doesn’t make no sense whatsoever I will put that down to your intelligence which is mixed with all the nonsense of divine imams"

Abraham was divine and was made an Imam after succeeding a trail. You call the words and decision of Allah nonsense.

"Shiism is that easy that our ancestors buried your ancestors with solid arguments to this day our ancestors asked a simple question proof your concept from Quran and sunnah with clear evidence"

Your ancestors along with you have always been very frightened by the Shia faith that they had to indulge in false accusations about Shias to keep people away from this Qur'anic belief just as you indulge in painting a bad picture about Shias just to keep people away. It didn't work then nor is it working now. 😊

Syed ustaad dimwit erm ......do you want me to put you a bib on and bottle feed you myself??

Any ONE!!! Even sahaba, who believed in and followed or helped a fake prophet AFTER believing and following prophet Muhammed pbuh is wrong!!

You have nothing ustaad dimwit you know Nuwera was wrong yet you will defend the cursed sod blindly just to make sahaba look bad but instead it’s making a fool out of you😂😂

Syed ustaad dimwits belief (12’r belief) = as long as you say kalima you can follow ANY person even if that person says I AM A PROPHET.
So their is no difference between qadianis and dimwits Shiite sect, THANKYOU for pointing that out syed ustaad dimwit.👍
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 08, 2020, 01:19:29 PM
"I do hate and detest Nuwera who left Islam and followed a new prophet"

So you do believe that a popular and well known companion can go astray infact as far as becoming an apostate.

So Malik bin Nuwayrah according to you not only believed that Muhammad s.a.w was the final and last Prophet bit was also a companion of the Prophet s.a.w.

Then according to you he believed in and followed another self proclaimed Prophet by the name of Sajjah after the demise of Muhammad s.a.w.

So therefore according to you he really or fully didn't believe in Muhammad s.a.w being the last and final Prophet.

OK, so according to you companions can go astray after the death of Muhammad s.a.w. But only for you. If someone else accuses or believes that a companion went astray then there's a who haa of takfeer on sahaba from you. And you will accuse them of hate towards sahaba 😊

:just like you shiites left the ahlu baith and started following a new concept alien to Islam"

Nope. Our belief is based entirely on Qur'an and Sunnah. Yours is based on the immature, illegitimate and coincidental decision made in saqifa by a handful of people. Or on double standards on just about every matter.

:It’s no surprise then why you are defending him"

I'm not defending him just making a point. He doesn't need defending. You're accusing him without any thought, consideration or proper evidence.

"Lol your 3rd statement doesn’t make no sense whatsoever I will put that down to your intelligence which is mixed with all the nonsense of divine imams"

Abraham was divine and was made an Imam after succeeding a trail. You call the words and decision of Allah nonsense.

"Shiism is that easy that our ancestors buried your ancestors with solid arguments to this day our ancestors asked a simple question proof your concept from Quran and sunnah with clear evidence"

Your ancestors along with you have always been very frightened by the Shia faith that they had to indulge in false accusations about Shias to keep people away from this Qur'anic belief just as you indulge in painting a bad picture about Shias just to keep people away. It didn't work then nor is it working now. 😊

Shura yes in the Quran proof clear in Quran!

Divine Imamate no proof clear in Quran!

Shura clear in sunnah

Divine Imamate NOWHERE in sunnah

Shura, immature,illegitimate and coincidental decision ruled and spread Islam

Yet the god given divinity Imamate got done over by something immature and illegitimate and NEVER ruled to the point the last one is in hiding because of fear of.......MEN!!.....COWARD!!
Only in shiism where failure equals victory and where mans words are worth more than the words of Quran.

You are defending a murtad who followed another prophet and you have no comeback from that. Sahaba ra got rid of murtads like that and made shaytaans minions angry like yourself without any intelligent reasoning.

Here we go again ACCUSATIONS it’s either taqiya or just straight up lies from this syed, you are proud of being syed yet you LIE?!?
Astaghfirullah

Name/post the statement where I ASTAGHFIRULLAH said Allah swt is wrong ASTAGHFIRULLAH PLEASE DO

Yes, I don’t believe your nonsense formula/idea/assumption and yes you are wrong as well as answering YOU that Ibrahim as wasn’t promoted!!

Not believing your nonsense doesn’t equal to Allah swt is wrong ASTAGHFIRULLAH!

Every time you get backed into a corner you come out with nonsense and lies, EVERYTIME!😁

Now look at this dimwit he says we are scared of shiism yet I have never LIED about shiism because we have the truth and we don’t need to lie it’s all clear, yet this Shiite LIES on Umar ra by using words that were NEVER used and by using the same tactic he is sayin I/ME ASTAGHFIRULLAH call the words of Allah swt nonsense.

My theory on shiism is true, if you keep telling the truth shiites will then turn against you and will start accusing and abusing as is the case here....I don’t believe syed ustaad dimwits theory on PROMOTION, Syed ustaad dimwit then says I am astaghfirullah calling Allah swt as a liar!

Promotion idea is his but it’s a lie against Allah swt if you don’t believe it?!?!?!?!?

Shiism at its best!😂👍
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 08, 2020, 03:35:28 PM
Syed ustaad dimwit erm ......do you want me to put you a bib on and bottle feed you myself??

Any ONE!!! Even sahaba, who believed in and followed or helped a fake prophet AFTER believing and following prophet Muhammed pbuh is wrong!!

You have nothing ustaad dimwit you know Nuwera was wrong yet you will defend the cursed sod blindly just to make sahaba look bad but instead it’s making a fool out of you😂😂

Syed ustaad dimwits belief (12’r belief) = as long as you say kalima you can follow ANY person even if that person says I AM A PROPHET.
So their is no difference between qadianis and dimwits Shiite sect, THANKYOU for pointing that out syed ustaad dimwit.👍

Syed ustaad dimwit erm ......do you want me to put you a bib on and bottle feed you myself??"

Lol. Yes please. That would be nice. 😊 Don't tell me you can't or won't do it now. 😊 I'm very much looking forward to it. 😊

"Any ONE!!! Even sahaba, who believed in and followed or helped a fake prophet AFTER believing and following prophet Muhammed pbuh is wrong!!"

There are two points here,; 1, you accuse Malik of following or helping a fake Prophet. Can you back this up. Provide clear evidence of this. You accuse so you provide. Lets hear it.

2, So a sahabi can go astray after following Muhammad s.a.w. like Malik who either followed or helped a fake prophet.

Now what about him (Umar) who raised objection that a pen and paper shouldn't be offered to the Prophet s.a.w, not fake but the real and original Prophet and reminded people that they had the book of Allah with them and told them that the book of Allah is sufficient for us therefore clearly rejecting what the Prophet s.a.w had to offer.

Now if some people believe that Umar and those who sided with him on this actually went astray and see them as you see Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men then why all of a sudden is this takfeer on sahaba but regarding Malik and his tribes men it isn't. Tell me the difference. 😊

"You have nothing ustaad dimwit you know Nuwera was wrong yet you will defend the cursed sod blindly just to make sahaba look bad but instead it’s making a fool out of you"

I'm not defending Malik and his tribes men. You're defending Umar and his merry men. 😊 I'm just asking you to explain this. I'm not defending the cursed so blindly. You are actually defending the cursed by some so blindly. 😊 I'm just pointing out your double standards. 😊

Once again explain to me why Malik is cursed when you don't believe in cursing and constantly yapp on about one shouldn't curse especially the sahaba and keep telling the Shias that why do they do it.

"Syed ustaad dimwits belief (12’r belief) = as long as you say kalima you can follow ANY person even if that person says I AM A PROPHET"

Nope. That is not true. Prove it by backing it up by putting some evidence forward. Our belief is based on the Qur'an. And the accusations on Malik haven't been proven.  There are mixed reports on the situation and case of Malik bin Nuwayrah.

"So their is no difference between qadianis and dimwits Shiite sect, THANKYOU for pointing that out syed ustaad dimwit"

Lol. I know your game. You're trying to move away from the subject at hand and what is being discussed. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 08, 2020, 04:18:56 PM
Shura yes in the Quran proof clear in Quran!

Divine Imamate no proof clear in Quran!

Shura clear in sunnah

Divine Imamate NOWHERE in sunnah

Shura, immature,illegitimate and coincidental decision ruled and spread Islam

Yet the god given divinity Imamate got done over by something immature and illegitimate and NEVER ruled to the point the last one is in hiding because of fear of.......MEN!!.....COWARD!!
Only in shiism where failure equals victory and where mans words are worth more than the words of Quran.

You are defending a murtad who followed another prophet and you have no comeback from that. Sahaba ra got rid of murtads like that and made shaytaans minions angry like yourself without any intelligent reasoning.

Here we go again ACCUSATIONS it’s either taqiya or just straight up lies from this syed, you are proud of being syed yet you LIE?!?
Astaghfirullah

Name/post the statement where I ASTAGHFIRULLAH said Allah swt is wrong ASTAGHFIRULLAH PLEASE DO

Yes, I don’t believe your nonsense formula/idea/assumption and yes you are wrong as well as answering YOU that Ibrahim as wasn’t promoted!!

Not believing your nonsense doesn’t equal to Allah swt is wrong ASTAGHFIRULLAH!

Every time you get backed into a corner you come out with nonsense and lies, EVERYTIME!😁

Now look at this dimwit he says we are scared of shiism yet I have never LIED about shiism because we have the truth and we don’t need to lie it’s all clear, yet this Shiite LIES on Umar ra by using words that were NEVER used and by using the same tactic he is sayin I/ME ASTAGHFIRULLAH call the words of Allah swt nonsense.

My theory on shiism is true, if you keep telling the truth shiites will then turn against you and will start accusing and abusing as is the case here....I don’t believe syed ustaad dimwits theory on PROMOTION, Syed ustaad dimwit then says I am astaghfirullah calling Allah swt as a liar!

Promotion idea is his but it’s a lie against Allah swt if you don’t believe it?!?!?!?!?

Shiism at its best!😂👍

"Shura yes in the Quran proof clear in Quran!"

Absolutely. But no shura in Saqifa. Neither was it left to the Ummah. A handful of people decided to take the matter into their own hands without anyone else's knowledge let alone permission.

Abu Bakr didn't bother with consultation and leaving it to the ummah. He named and appointed his successor by grabbing his wrist and raising his arm. Umar didn't bother with consultation sura either nor left it to the ummah.

Umar took a totally different and separate route by arranging a  five member committee. Andurahman ibn Auff, his vote was equal to two people. God knows why and what for. How and why Umar made that decision and for what reason and on what basis.

"Divine Imamate no proof clear in Quran!"

Was Abraham promoted or was he demoted or given a title or grade of a similar nature and worth. You haven't been able to answer this and you never ever will by the nature and mindset you have.

Allah has put someone third in line in authority after himself and his Messenger s.a.w. This is proven from the Qur'an in black and white.

"Shura clear in sunnah"

Why wasn't it followed in Saqifa. And why didn't Abu Bakr and Umar follow it.

"Divine Imamate NOWHERE in sunnah:

Absolutely clear in the Sunnah. There will be 12 Imams after Muhammad s.a.w. And the final saviour who even the Sunnis believe in by the name of Al Mahdi will be from the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w. And his first name will also be Muhammad. In one hadith the word Imam has been used and in other there will be 12 caliphs after Muhammad s.a.w.

"Shura, immature,illegitimate and coincidental decision ruled and spread Islam"

No shura there I'm afraid. No where to be seen or heard of. They didn't gather there to select a leader and successor to Muhammad s.a.w. The Ansar gathered there to select THIER OWN LEADER. And just only three muhajir rushed off to saqifa to stop this from happening. No assembly or gathering to select a leader on behalf of the Ummah. No one knew what was going on or what they were up to.

"Yet the god given divinity Imamate got done over by something immature and illegitimate and NEVER ruled to the point the last one is in hiding because of fear of.......MEN!!.....COWARD!!"

Divine guidance was there for the Ummah after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w. If some companions weren't interested and decided to take the matter into their own hands then "la ikraha fideen' meaning their is no compulsion with in Islam. Allah decides and makes the rules and how things should go. Nothing been done here or overruled. Your loss. The companions loss. The ummah's loss. No harm to the Imams, Islam or Allah.

"Only in shiism where failure equals victory and where mans words are worth more than the words of Quran"

Nope. Just lies based on propaganda to keep people confused and away from Shia Islam. Been going on for 1400 years. Hasn't worked and never will. You might fool a few. But the majority are wise.

"You are defending a murtad who followed another prophet and you have no comeback from that. Sahaba ra got rid of murtads like that and made shaytaans minions angry like yourself without any intelligent reasoning"

Again you accuse a Sahabi of becoming murtad with no clear evidence what do ever. And if there was clear evidence then it means that a Sahabi can go astray proving a point again like certain Sahaba did by refusing the Prophet s.a.w pen and paper and not being interested in what he had to write and offer. I win the case either way.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 09, 2020, 01:09:04 AM
"Shura yes in the Quran proof clear in Quran!"

Absolutely. But no shura in Saqifa. Neither was it left to the Ummah. A handful of people decided to take the matter into their own hands without anyone else's knowledge let alone permission.

Abu Bakr didn't bother with consultation and leaving it to the ummah. He named and appointed his successor by grabbing his wrist and raising his arm. Umar didn't bother with consultation sura either nor left it to the ummah.

Umar took a totally different and separate route by arranging a  five member committee. Andurahman ibn Auff, his vote was equal to two people. God knows why and what for. How and why Umar made that decision and for what reason and on what basis.

"Divine Imamate no proof clear in Quran!"

Was Abraham promoted or was he demoted or given a title or grade of a similar nature and worth. You haven't been able to answer this and you never ever will by the nature and mindset you have.

Allah has put someone third in line in authority after himself and his Messenger s.a.w. This is proven from the Qur'an in black and white.

"Shura clear in sunnah"

Why wasn't it followed in Saqifa. And why didn't Abu Bakr and Umar follow it.

"Divine Imamate NOWHERE in sunnah:

Absolutely clear in the Sunnah. There will be 12 Imams after Muhammad s.a.w. And the final saviour who even the Sunnis believe in by the name of Al Mahdi will be from the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w. And his first name will also be Muhammad. In one hadith the word Imam has been used and in other there will be 12 caliphs after Muhammad s.a.w.

"Shura, immature,illegitimate and coincidental decision ruled and spread Islam"

No shura there I'm afraid. No where to be seen or heard of. They didn't gather there to select a leader and successor to Muhammad s.a.w. The Ansar gathered there to select THIER OWN LEADER. And just only three muhajir rushed off to saqifa to stop this from happening. No assembly or gathering to select a leader on behalf of the Ummah. No one knew what was going on or what they were up to.

"Yet the god given divinity Imamate got done over by something immature and illegitimate and NEVER ruled to the point the last one is in hiding because of fear of.......MEN!!.....COWARD!!"

Divine guidance was there for the Ummah after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w. If some companions weren't interested and decided to take the matter into their own hands then "la ikraha fideen' meaning their is no compulsion with in Islam. Allah decides and makes the rules and how things should go. Nothing been done here or overruled. Your loss. The companions loss. The ummah's loss. No harm to the Imams, Islam or Allah.

"Only in shiism where failure equals victory and where mans words are worth more than the words of Quran"

Nope. Just lies based on propaganda to keep people confused and away from Shia Islam. Been going on for 1400 years. Hasn't worked and never will. You might fool a few. But the majority are wise.

"You are defending a murtad who followed another prophet and you have no comeback from that. Sahaba ra got rid of murtads like that and made shaytaans minions angry like yourself without any intelligent reasoning"

Again you accuse a Sahabi of becoming murtad with no clear evidence what do ever. And if there was clear evidence then it means that a Sahabi can go astray proving a point again like certain Sahaba did by refusing the Prophet s.a.w pen and paper and not being interested in what he had to write and offer. I win the case either way.

Well even Ali ra gave bayah so He believed it was right, He followed through with other khaliphs and pledged allegiance. It says a lot about you being a follower of imams, it must be a case of you know better than them........centuries later.😁

Have answered and it’s littered nearly on EVERY post where you asked me this question It’s there in black and white,are you dumb or just plain stupid?

12 imams from Quraish yes who will RULE, no divine imam EVER ruled! So it’s not in the sunna,again it’s YOU who is deriving divine imams out of a hadith that’s clearly stating rulers without any hint of divinity in it, another prime example of shiism using Sunni hadith to promote their theory 😂👍

You are 110% RIGHT about no one being interested in a fake made up idea that didn’t even exist in their minds at the time I mean come on think about it:

Quran - no divine Imamate
Sunnah - no divine Imamate
Ali/Hassan ra - not divine (they never mentioned such )

So you really can’t blame Them ra for not being interested in something that NEVER existed.
I really do agree with you on this point.👍


Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more, it’s you lot who have been fooling the few and they are basically our mentally deranged brothers who are like you just arguing for the sake of it even after posting lie after lie.😁

Ustaad dimwit your sahabi followed another prophet and fought muslims! He was the only one in history who did unless you can give me any other sahaba that did, and if you did then he won’t be sahaba trust me it’s a simple thing, unlike you who will still respect a murtad who followed another prophet.

So then you use Black Thursday hadith to help you coz the murtad ting ain’t working and now the hadith states prophet pbuh told them to get out but your HATE translates that to Umar ra.

Syed ustaad dimwit you make my day😂👍
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
Well even Ali ra gave bayah so He believed it was right, He followed through with other khaliphs and pledged allegiance. It says a lot about you being a follower of imams, it must be a case of you know better than them........centuries later.😁

Have answered and it’s littered nearly on EVERY post where you asked me this question It’s there in black and white,are you dumb or just plain stupid?

12 imams from Quraish yes who will RULE, no divine imam EVER ruled! So it’s not in the sunna,again it’s YOU who is deriving divine imams out of a hadith that’s clearly stating rulers without any hint of divinity in it, another prime example of shiism using Sunni hadith to promote their theory 😂👍

You are 110% RIGHT about no one being interested in a fake made up idea that didn’t even exist in their minds at the time I mean come on think about it:

Quran - no divine Imamate
Sunnah - no divine Imamate
Ali/Hassan ra - not divine (they never mentioned such )

So you really can’t blame Them ra for not being interested in something that NEVER existed.
I really do agree with you on this point.👍


Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more, it’s you lot who have been fooling the few and they are basically our mentally deranged brothers who are like you just arguing for the sake of it even after posting lie after lie.😁

Ustaad dimwit your sahabi followed another prophet and fought muslims! He was the only one in history who did unless you can give me any other sahaba that did, and if you did then he won’t be sahaba trust me it’s a simple thing, unlike you who will still respect a murtad who followed another prophet.

So then you use Black Thursday hadith to help you coz the murtad ting ain’t working and now the hadith states prophet pbuh told them to get out but your HATE translates that to Umar ra.

Syed ustaad dimwit you make my day😂👍

"Well even Ali ra gave bayah so He believed it was right, He followed through with other khaliphs and pledged allegiance"

I don't believe in and accept that. I don't believe he gave allegiance to Abu Bakr or accepted the wrong and false decision made in saqifa and how it was conducted.

"It says a lot about you being a follower of imams, it must be a case of you know better than them........centuries later"

Oh I am a follower of Imam Ali. I will look into to every detail rather than accepting things blindly. I know certain people believe that he didn't give allegiance to Abu Bakr for 6 months. And after that he decided to do. And his intentions were just to keep the peace.

There was no need to take a stand anymore because people started to give in and eventually accept what happened at Saqifa because putting up a confrontational stance over it wouldn't serve a purpose anymore.

And if you continued to oppose then heavy handed tactics were used against people and even persecution. That's what governments did. Those who didn't accept the decision made in saqifa threats were made and heavy handed tactics were used to get people on the same platform.

A decision was made that from now onwards Zakah money needs to be handed over to the government to the treasury. Those who didn't obey and follow the ridda wars were brought upon them.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 12:03:53 PM
Wilayat, prove Wilayat from the Qur'an. Wilayat e Ali, prove this from the Qur'an. First of all I say Wilayat isn't something new. Nor does it start from Ali. Nor does it end on Ali. Lets go directly and straight to the Qur'an because the people on this site are already anti shia and they're already groomed and engineered with ifs and buts to raise suspicion and cast doubt.

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ

Innamā waliyyukumu-llāhu warasūluhu walladhīna āmanū-lladhīnā yuqīmūnas-salāta wayu’tunaz-zakāta wahum rāki‘ūn

Your guardian is only Allah, His Apostle, and the faithful who maintain the prayer and give the zakāt while bowing down.
(Sūratul Mā’idah, No.5, Āyat 55)

This is absolute and clear proof straight and direct from the Qur'an that; 1 There is such thing as Wilayat and Wali. 2, Wilayat doesn't start from Ali but starts from Allah himself moving on to the Prophet s.a.w. 3, After Allah and his Messenger s.a.w Allah himself has made a group of believers wali again after himself and his Messenger s.a.w.

We Shias believe that the group of believers who Allah has put forward has wali after himself and his Messenger s.a.w are the Ahlul Bayt the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w. There is someone third in line in authority after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w.

Some companions knew this but weren't comfortable with it and decided to take matters into their own hands and therefore led themselves and some others astray after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w.

And so do these Shaykhain loyalists, they also know about these straightforward facts. Those who don't because of arrogance or ignorance or just because of lack of knowledge and information or because of how they were raised and groomed will know.

And what I've said isn't takfeer on sahaba because there is no such thing as takfeer on sahaba or about sahaba not going astray or can't go astray. This is the perspective of some Shaykhain loyalists who bring out takfeer on sahaba from the Pandora box to use it against certain Shias and their opinion.

But those who are knowledgeable and aware of Islamic history or who have the technical ability will bring about the case of Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men to them and then question them on takfeer on sahaba and if the sahaba were really granted immunity. And how truly these sahaba loyalists truly believe in and really follow takfeer on sahaba.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 12:21:19 PM
Well even Ali ra gave bayah so He believed it was right, He followed through with other khaliphs and pledged allegiance. It says a lot about you being a follower of imams, it must be a case of you know better than them........centuries later.😁

Have answered and it’s littered nearly on EVERY post where you asked me this question It’s there in black and white,are you dumb or just plain stupid?

12 imams from Quraish yes who will RULE, no divine imam EVER ruled! So it’s not in the sunna,again it’s YOU who is deriving divine imams out of a hadith that’s clearly stating rulers without any hint of divinity in it, another prime example of shiism using Sunni hadith to promote their theory 😂👍

You are 110% RIGHT about no one being interested in a fake made up idea that didn’t even exist in their minds at the time I mean come on think about it:

Quran - no divine Imamate
Sunnah - no divine Imamate
Ali/Hassan ra - not divine (they never mentioned such )

So you really can’t blame Them ra for not being interested in something that NEVER existed.
I really do agree with you on this point.👍


Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more, it’s you lot who have been fooling the few and they are basically our mentally deranged brothers who are like you just arguing for the sake of it even after posting lie after lie.😁

Ustaad dimwit your sahabi followed another prophet and fought muslims! He was the only one in history who did unless you can give me any other sahaba that did, and if you did then he won’t be sahaba trust me it’s a simple thing, unlike you who will still respect a murtad who followed another prophet.

So then you use Black Thursday hadith to help you coz the murtad ting ain’t working and now the hadith states prophet pbuh told them to get out but your HATE translates that to Umar ra.

Syed ustaad dimwit you make my day😂👍

"Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more"

Don't use numbers or play the number game.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 12:52:33 PM
Well even Ali ra gave bayah so He believed it was right, He followed through with other khaliphs and pledged allegiance. It says a lot about you being a follower of imams, it must be a case of you know better than them........centuries later.😁

Have answered and it’s littered nearly on EVERY post where you asked me this question It’s there in black and white,are you dumb or just plain stupid?

12 imams from Quraish yes who will RULE, no divine imam EVER ruled! So it’s not in the sunna,again it’s YOU who is deriving divine imams out of a hadith that’s clearly stating rulers without any hint of divinity in it, another prime example of shiism using Sunni hadith to promote their theory 😂👍

You are 110% RIGHT about no one being interested in a fake made up idea that didn’t even exist in their minds at the time I mean come on think about it:

Quran - no divine Imamate
Sunnah - no divine Imamate
Ali/Hassan ra - not divine (they never mentioned such )

So you really can’t blame Them ra for not being interested in something that NEVER existed.
I really do agree with you on this point.👍


Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more, it’s you lot who have been fooling the few and they are basically our mentally deranged brothers who are like you just arguing for the sake of it even after posting lie after lie.😁

Ustaad dimwit your sahabi followed another prophet and fought muslims! He was the only one in history who did unless you can give me any other sahaba that did, and if you did then he won’t be sahaba trust me it’s a simple thing, unlike you who will still respect a murtad who followed another prophet.

So then you use Black Thursday hadith to help you coz the murtad ting ain’t working and now the hadith states prophet pbuh told them to get out but your HATE translates that to Umar ra.

Syed ustaad dimwit you make my day😂👍

Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more"

Don't use numbers or play the number game. Allah says many will disbelieve or won't believe. And from those who believe you also have half hearted or those with weak faith as well as hypocrites. So numbers don't justify anything. 😊

"Ustaad dimwit your sahabi"

My sahabi, really? You accused me of hating sahaba. So how is he my sahabi 😊

"followed another prophet and fought muslims!"

Bring forward evidence and back it up. Lets discuss his case and give him a fair trial which Khalid and Abu Bakr refuse to deliver. Khalid denied him of a fair trial. Abu Bakr denied him justice. That's Caliphate for you. Look up in your own books and what your scholars have said. There are different reports. Contradiction  everywhere.


"He was the only one in history who did"

Again prove it.

"unless you can give me any other sahaba that did, and if you did then he won’t be sahaba trust me it’s a simple thing"

Hold on to something because here it comes again. The Prophet asked for a pen and paper so he may write something for them so they don't go astray after him. Umar objected and reminded the others that they had the book of Allah with them. He also told them that the book of Allah is sufficient for us. He wasn't even interested at all in what the Prophet s.a.w had to write and offer. Infact he undermined it. And those who sided with him.

Now you can keep looking for what ever excuse you want here but it's not going to help his case or yours. Clear conviction.

"unlike you who will still respect a murtad who followed another prophet"

I respect all companions of the Prophet s.a.w every single one of them because of their link with the Prophet s.a.w. But this doesn't cloud my mind or judgment. Respect has nothing to do with conviction based on violation of Allah and or his Messenger s.a.w. I know there is a lot in history which is concerning and worrying. There's a lot in history which is damning and damaging. There's a lot in history which is capable of criticism and condemnation. But this isn't disrespect or dishonour.

"So then you use Black Thursday hadith to help you"

I don't need help. You do. And believe me you need alot of it. Black Thursday, it's Thursday but not just any day of the weak. Why is it called Black Thursday. What's the reason for and behind it. That's when the some sahaba went astray.

"coz the murtad ting ain’t working"

This is not waterworks or gasworks that we need to bring in the questionof working or not. Prove to me he became a murtad or accept that any Sahabi can become murtad 😊 Either way you are caught out in this 😆

"and now the hadith states prophet pbuh told them to get out but your HATE translates that to Umar ra"

Damining and damaging for Umar and those who sided with him. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 09, 2020, 02:15:00 PM
"Well even Ali ra gave bayah so He believed it was right, He followed through with other khaliphs and pledged allegiance"

I don't believe in and accept that. I don't believe he gave allegiance to Abu Bakr or accepted the wrong and false decision made in saqifa and how it was conducted.

"It says a lot about you being a follower of imams, it must be a case of you know better than them........centuries later"

Oh I am a follower of Imam Ali. I will look into to every detail rather than accepting things blindly. I know certain people believe that he didn't give allegiance to Abu Bakr for 6 months. And after that he decided to do. And his intentions were just to keep the peace.

There was no need to take a stand anymore because people started to give in and eventually accept what happened at Saqifa because putting up a confrontational stance over it wouldn't serve a purpose anymore.

And if you continued to oppose then heavy handed tactics were used against people and even persecution. That's what governments did. Those who didn't accept the decision made in saqifa threats were made and heavy handed tactics were used to get people on the same platform.

A decision was made that from now onwards Zakah money needs to be handed over to the government to the treasury. Those who didn't obey and follow the ridda wars were brought upon them.

Well syed ustaad dimwit it’s not my problem you don’t accept the fact the Ali ra gave bayah it’s written in authentic hadiths........you are going by your belief in nonsense to assume that wasn’t the case because that would mean Ali ra agreed what happened in saqifa, that event which you hate so much.
Your loss not mine.😜

Yea just to keep peace He will watch His wife get killed and let usurpers take what was a god given right, great shiites lowering a lion to a sheep,astaghfirullah.
You keep your false idea of Imam Ali ra to yourself lowering him to your level with your baseless assumptions.😂

😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 09, 2020, 02:30:38 PM
Wilayat, prove Wilayat from the Qur'an. Wilayat e Ali, prove this from the Qur'an. First of all I say Wilayat isn't something new. Nor does it start from Ali. Nor does it end on Ali. Lets go directly and straight to the Qur'an because the people on this site are already anti shia and they're already groomed and engineered with ifs and buts to raise suspicion and cast doubt.

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ

Innamā waliyyukumu-llāhu warasūluhu walladhīna āmanū-lladhīnā yuqīmūnas-salāta wayu’tunaz-zakāta wahum rāki‘ūn

Your guardian is only Allah, His Apostle, and the faithful who maintain the prayer and give the zakāt while bowing down.
(Sūratul Mā’idah, No.5, Āyat 55)

This is absolute and clear proof straight and direct from the Qur'an that; 1 There is such thing as Wilayat and Wali. 2, Wilayat doesn't start from Ali but starts from Allah himself moving on to the Prophet s.a.w. 3, After Allah and his Messenger s.a.w Allah himself has made a group of believers wali again after himself and his Messenger s.a.w.

We Shias believe that the group of believers who Allah has put forward has wali after himself and his Messenger s.a.w are the Ahlul Bayt the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w. There is someone third in line in authority after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w.

Some companions knew this but weren't comfortable with it and decided to take matters into their own hands and therefore led themselves and some others astray after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w.

And so do these Shaykhain loyalists, they also know about these straightforward facts. Those who don't because of arrogance or ignorance or just because of lack of knowledge and information or because of how they were raised and groomed will know.

And what I've said isn't takfeer on sahaba because there is no such thing as takfeer on sahaba or about sahaba not going astray or can't go astray. This is the perspective of some Shaykhain loyalists who bring out takfeer on sahaba from the Pandora box to use it against certain Shias and their opinion.

But those who are knowledgeable and aware of Islamic history or who have the technical ability will bring about the case of Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men to them and then question them on takfeer on sahaba and if the sahaba were really granted immunity. And how truly these sahaba loyalists truly believe in and really follow takfeer on sahaba.

What a load of codswallop!

In that verse the authority the 3rd can be ANYONE in authority.

“Those in authority” equates to you as a wali 😂👍

Saba really did a good job on your ancestors who gave birth to liars and haters like yourself PROVEN good and proper on this site.

It’s all the shaikhains fault and the billions and billions of Muslims who followed them to this day are all wrong by interpreting the ayah as it is.
You have the right formula and the truth, so much truth that you have to lie against one of the shaikain.😂👍

What’s shaikain loyalists? I told you ahlu sunnah PERSPECTIVE, the hate just seeps from your every post, ditch the hate and stick to the truth maybe just maybe you might have a point and we can listen to what you have to say.

Oh stop the crying who are shaikain loyalists?
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 09, 2020, 02:38:00 PM

Don't use numbers or play the number game.

Hypocrite this is what I mean when you lie and assume things:

Syed ustaad dimwit: Been going on for 1400 years. Hasn't worked and never will. You might fool a few. But the majority are wise.

My answer: Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more.

So who started with the numbers? Hypocritical fool!

This is how this sly teacher works, he starts it off then blames us for it........typical shiites!

😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 02:57:58 PM
Well syed ustaad dimwit it’s not my problem you don’t accept the fact the Ali ra gave bayah it’s written in authentic hadiths........you are going by your belief in nonsense to assume that wasn’t the case because that would mean Ali ra agreed what happened in saqifa, that event which you hate so much.
Your loss not mine.😜

Yea just to keep peace He will watch His wife get killed and let usurpers take what was a god given right, great shiites lowering a lion to a sheep,astaghfirullah.
You keep your false idea of Imam Ali ra to yourself lowering him to your level with your baseless assumptions.😂

😂

"Well syed ustaad dimwit it’s not my problem you don’t accept the fact the Ali ra gave bayah it’s written in authentic hadiths"

First of all authentic by you and by some. Not authentic by all. Second if he gave allegiance then why after 6 months? Can you explanation that? Well if you could you already would have. 😊 And if he gave allegiance and it was after 6 months then why do think the allegiance was based on him finally accepting what happened in Saqifa. If what happened in Saqifa was legitimate and correct then it wouldn't take Ali 6 months to realise that. 😊

The logical reason behind Ali giving allegiance to Abi Bakr after 6 months would be based on accepting him as Caliph of the Ummah due to unfortunate circumstances. Just to keep the peace because the standoff wouldn't be of any purpose or worth if people are eventually going to give in. Politics is something you don't understand kid. So a change of policy and stance, based on circumstances, conditions you face or the situation you find yourself in, how will you understand that.

"that would mean Ali ra agreed what happened in saqifa, that event which you hate so much"

Ali giving allegiance to Abi Bakr as soon as he is aware of it is one thing but giving allegiance after a period of 6 months is totally a different thing. The first is acceptance based on legitimacy and legality, the second is based on unfortunate circumstances based on the situation and condition that he was facing.  Two totally different things here.

Plus giving allegiance after 6 months doesn't mean accepting the decision but accepting and coming to terms with the unfortunate circumstances.

"Yea just to keep peace He will watch His wife get killed and let usurpers take what was a god given right, great shiites lowering a lion to a sheep,astaghfirullah.
You keep your false idea of Imam Ali ra to yourself lowering him to your level with your baseless assumptions"

Allow me to straighten your misunderstanding so it doesn't turn out to misunderstand and mislead others. The story of the burning of the door and Fatimah getting injured is not a majority belief of the Shias. Some believe in it and some don't. There's a difference in opinion.

I wouldn't say the decision reached in Saqifa, I will say what the Shaykhain got up to in Saqifa when the others got to know about it and the news started to get common it was criticised and condemned. The question of its legitimacy was questioned based on Qur'an and Sunnah. The Shaykhain had their influence and loyalists and supporters based on that influence.

They used heavy handed tactics and were determined to see this through. Was violence and threatening behaviour used to the extent that unfortunately and coincidently Fatima got caught up on all this by getting injured is questionable and needs to be looked at. No one planned this and no one expected this and things to go this far.

They Shaykhain were determined to see things through and to keep everyone on the same page. That's what some governments or some people in authority do. Fatima, Ali and all those who opposed as hizb e ikhtelaf meaning the opposing or the opposition party had no idea that things would go this far and get that bad if this incident did occur.

After all they were not just closely related and had respect for each other, there was brotherhood and they were friends. But things do get from bad to worse and from sweet to bitter between family members, relations and friends. And looking at Umar's character and nature, he wasn't a cool and calm person. He was hot tempered and had an aggressive nature. He was harsh and hard. Look into his character and personality.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 03:06:18 PM
Hypocrite this is what I mean when you lie and assume things:

Syed ustaad dimwit: Been going on for 1400 years. Hasn't worked and never will. You might fool a few. But the majority are wise.

My answer: Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more.

So who started with the numbers? Hypocritical fool!

This is how this sly teacher works, he starts it off then blames us for it........typical shiites!

😂

"You might fool a few. But the majority are wise"

Prove this from the Qur'an. 😊 According to the Qur'an the majority have always disbelieved or gone astray. A few have always believed and stood on the right path. 😊

"My answer: Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more"

"We are more", that doesn't prove anything. Numbers don't justify anything.

"So who started with the numbers? Hypocritical fool"

You tell me? I believe you did. 😊

"This is how this sly teacher works, he starts it off then blames us for it...."

Back it up and I'll be more than happy to accept it. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
What a load of codswallop!

In that verse the authority the 3rd can be ANYONE in authority.

“Those in authority” equates to you as a wali 😂👍

Saba really did a good job on your ancestors who gave birth to liars and haters like yourself PROVEN good and proper on this site.

It’s all the shaikhains fault and the billions and billions of Muslims who followed them to this day are all wrong by interpreting the ayah as it is.
You have the right formula and the truth, so much truth that you have to lie against one of the shaikain.😂👍

What’s shaikain loyalists? I told you ahlu sunnah PERSPECTIVE, the hate just seeps from your every post, ditch the hate and stick to the truth maybe just maybe you might have a point and we can listen to what you have to say.

Oh stop the crying who are shaikain loyalists?

"In that verse the authority the 3rd can be ANYONE in authority"

Lol. OK, so you accept Yazeed bin Muawiya has your 6th/7th rightly guided Caliph? 😊 Do you accept Muawiya as part of Khulafaa e Rashedoon? 😊 You said "It could be anybody", we believe it is the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w. And from there the Imams.

"Those in authority” equates to you as a wali"

Yes, according to the command of Allah."Indeed and there is no doubt about it that Allah is your wali and so is his Prophet and those who have believed". From here onwards Allah is mention which from the believers by mentioning their characteristics and attributes. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 09, 2020, 03:18:58 PM
Lol we might fool a few? Hahaha it’s the other way around you dummy we are more"

Don't use numbers or play the number game. Allah says many will disbelieve or won't believe. And from those who believe you also have half hearted or those with weak faith as well as hypocrites. So numbers don't justify anything. 😊

"Ustaad dimwit your sahabi"

My sahabi, really? You accused me of hating sahaba. So how is he my sahabi 😊

"followed another prophet and fought muslims!"

Bring forward evidence and back it up. Lets discuss his case and give him a fair trial which Khalid and Abu Bakr refuse to deliver. Khalid denied him of a fair trial. Abu Bakr denied him justice. That's Caliphate for you. Look up in your own books and what your scholars have said. There are different reports. Contradiction  everywhere.


"He was the only one in history who did"

Again prove it.

"unless you can give me any other sahaba that did, and if you did then he won’t be sahaba trust me it’s a simple thing"

Hold on to something because here it comes again. The Prophet asked for a pen and paper so he may write something for them so they don't go astray after him. Umar objected and reminded the others that they had the book of Allah with them. He also told them that the book of Allah is sufficient for us. He wasn't even interested at all in what the Prophet s.a.w had to write and offer. Infact he undermined it. And those who sided with him.

Now you can keep looking for what ever excuse you want here but it's not going to help his case or yours. Clear conviction.

"unlike you who will still respect a murtad who followed another prophet"

I respect all companions of the Prophet s.a.w every single one of them because of their link with the Prophet s.a.w. But this doesn't cloud my mind or judgment. Respect has nothing to do with conviction based on violation of Allah and or his Messenger s.a.w. I know there is a lot in history which is concerning and worrying. There's a lot in history which is damning and damaging. There's a lot in history which is capable of criticism and condemnation. But this isn't disrespect or dishonour.

"So then you use Black Thursday hadith to help you"

I don't need help. You do. And believe me you need alot of it. Black Thursday, it's Thursday but not just any day of the weak. Why is it called Black Thursday. What's the reason for and behind it. That's when the some sahaba went astray.

"coz the murtad ting ain’t working"

This is not waterworks or gasworks that we need to bring in the questionof working or not. Prove to me he became a murtad or accept that any Sahabi can become murtad 😊 Either way you are caught out in this 😆

"and now the hadith states prophet pbuh told them to get out but your HATE translates that to Umar ra"

Damining and damaging for Umar and those who sided with him. 😊

You started with the number game if you can remember, hypocrite!

You STILL consider him as a sahabi your whole argument is based on this, we say he ain’t a sahabi no more because he didn’t pay zakah and started to follow a new prophet.
The evidence for that is in our history books, try ibn Kathir try Tabri, try history books in general, it’s pretty easy infact you should try this it’s much easier for dimwits like yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_ibn_Nuwayrah

No contradiction above, I don’t have to use weak stuff or go into verbal gymnastics to prove my point.......unlike you.😜

As far as I am aware no person is still a sahabi after following the last prophet then decided to follow other self proclaimed fake prophets, you are still giving him that title a sahabi we ahlu sunnah don’t Malik or no Malik.

No contradiction sticking to my points syed stop using words you don’t know the meaning of, it won’t make you look any smarter especially if you use them at the wrong times.😜👍

Lol you are comparing a murtad who stopped paying zakah an Islamic pillar and followed another prophet making himself a murtad to Umar ra because He said Quran is sufficient for us??
How on earth did you relate the 2?

How does saying quran is sufficient equal to not paying zakah and following a false prophet??

Is this your only comeback? Seriously do you lack ANY sense?

Syed ustaad dimwit you seriously crack me up .......KASAM!😂😜👍

The history you follow is fake, your hate for sahaba is endless look at the LIES you use against Umar ra, how many times have you posted “it’s saqifa” blaming everything on the event and the characters whom were there, all by following fake history but when you are confronted you talk about something completely different, example Nuwera who turned murtad you relate it to Umar ra saying Quran is sufficient?!??....(after lying that He said “nonsense”).😂

Yeah Black Thursday is the day when sahaba went astray lol😂

We have what prophet pbuh wanted to write so how did they stray? Infact you posted it yourself you dimwit!

What a joke😂😂

I ain’t caught but it’s YOU, you will never answer why he followed sajjah, instead you want proof😂, I have gave it to you and you are still asking??? Do you read posts or just look over them to answer what’s EASIEST to answer?
Keep yourself looking like a fool it’s good fun from my side I don’t have to research much because a Shiite teacher like you is simple and easy to deal with.😂😜

Not damaging at all for Umar ra

More damaging for divine imam followers for the divine imam was there and he didn’t do.......NOTHING!😂😂

Shiism the joke iblees started😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 09, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
"Well syed ustaad dimwit it’s not my problem you don’t accept the fact the Ali ra gave bayah it’s written in authentic hadiths"

First of all authentic by you and by some. Not authentic by all. Second if he gave allegiance then why after 6 months? Can you explanation that? Well if you could you already would have. 😊 And if he gave allegiance and it was after 6 months then why do think the allegiance was based on him finally accepting what happened in Saqifa. If what happened in Saqifa was legitimate and correct then it wouldn't take Ali 6 months to realise that. 😊

The logical reason behind Ali giving allegiance to Abi Bakr after 6 months would be based on accepting him as Caliph of the Ummah due to unfortunate circumstances. Just to keep the peace because the standoff wouldn't be of any purpose or worth if people are eventually going to give in. Politics is something you don't understand kid. So a change of policy and stance, based on circumstances, conditions you face or the situation you find yourself in, how will you understand that.

"that would mean Ali ra agreed what happened in saqifa, that event which you hate so much"

Ali giving allegiance to Abi Bakr as soon as he is aware of it is one thing but giving allegiance after a period of 6 months is totally a different thing. The first is acceptance based on legitimacy and legality, the second is based on unfortunate circumstances based on the situation and condition that he was facing.  Two totally different things here.

Plus giving allegiance after 6 months doesn't mean accepting the decision but accepting and coming to terms with the unfortunate circumstances.

"Yea just to keep peace He will watch His wife get killed and let usurpers take what was a god given right, great shiites lowering a lion to a sheep,astaghfirullah.
You keep your false idea of Imam Ali ra to yourself lowering him to your level with your baseless assumptions"

Allow me to straighten your misunderstanding so it doesn't turn out to misunderstand and mislead others. The story of the burning of the door and Fatimah getting injured is not a majority belief of the Shias. Some believe in it and some don't. There's a difference in opinion.

I wouldn't say the decision reached in Saqifa, I will say what the Shaykhain got up to in Saqifa when the others got to know about it and the news started to get common it was criticised and condemned. The question of its legitimacy was questioned based on Qur'an and Sunnah. The Shaykhain had their influence and loyalists and supporters based on that influence.

They used heavy handed tactics and were determined to see this through. Was violence and threatening behaviour used to the extent that unfortunately and coincidently Fatima got caught up on all this by getting injured is questionable and needs to be looked at. No one planned this and no one expected this and things to go this far.

They Shaykhain were determined to see things through and to keep everyone on the same page. That's what some governments or some people in authority do. Fatima, Ali and all those who opposed as hizb e ikhtelaf meaning the opposing or the opposition party had no idea that things would go this far and get that bad if this incident did occur.

After all they were not just closely related and had respect for each other, there was brotherhood and they were friends. But things do get from bad to worse and from sweet to bitter between family members, relations and friends. And looking at Umar's character and nature, he wasn't a cool and calm person. He was hot tempered and had an aggressive nature. He was harsh and hard. Look into his character and personality.

Oh right so it has to be authentic by Shiite standards😂😂
Ali ra gave bayah some say He gave bayah then gave it again after 6 months.
My point is He still gave bayah and pledged allegiance, you haven’t got nothing but assumptions to why He did so.😂👍

So Ali wanted to keep the peace because the majority agreed with appointment of Abu Bakr ra?? Is this your political understanding? 😂😂😂

You are definitely full of it.😜👍

No ahlu sunnah believes in the fake story made up centuries later about some burning door.......and the phantom hand of Umar ra.😂😂
Keep fooling yourself that ahlu sunnah believe this nonsense.😂

Please do tell me who are shaikain followers? Are they the ones who follow facts relating to history of Islam or are they closely related to sabaites like yourself?
Please do entertain us with your assumptions again.😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 09, 2020, 03:42:48 PM
"In that verse the authority the 3rd can be ANYONE in authority"

Lol. OK, so you accept Yazeed bin Muawiya has your 6th/7th rightly guided Caliph? 😊 Do you accept Muawiya as part of Khulafaa e Rashedoon? 😊 You said "It could be anybody", we believe it is the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w. And from there the Imams.

"Those in authority” equates to you as a wali"

Yes, according to the command of Allah."Indeed and there is no doubt about it that Allah is your wali and so is his Prophet and those who have believed". From here onwards Allah is mention which from the believers by mentioning their characteristics and attributes. 😊

Huh? Dimwit authority doesn’t just mean rulers or leaders my local imam is an authority I am an authority to my kids such an ambiguous verse and you somehow found divine imams in there for real.😂👍

Lol the last verse you posted Alhamdulillah we BELIEVERS are walis of each other do try and post THE FULL VERSE:

Only Allah is your Waliyy and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate and they bow [in worship].

1) Allah swt is wali
2) prophet pbuh is wali
3) believers are wali the ones who pray and give zakah

The 3rd equals me and all others who pray and give zakah.

No divine Imamate there dimwit unless you are gonna do verbal gymnastics again to explain your alien theory of divine Imamate.😂

Allah swt has made Quran easy to understand for a believer where he can use the verses of Quran with ease and not go into an epic explanation about what it might mean.👍

This is Pakistani shiism at its best😂😂😜
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Soccer on April 09, 2020, 05:31:54 PM
What's your proof that 5:55 is ambiguous and the context doesn't give it a proper meaning in a way that proves the authority of Ali (a) and the successors (a) in general?

Simply translating it as you please is not a proof.  You have to justify your translation through Quran.

I will propose and attempt to justify the following translation per (1) Quranic context (2) Hadiths (3) Logic:


"Your Authority is only God, the Messenger, and those who granted security, those who keep up prayers/connections (to God) and give charity (even) while they bow. And whoever gives authority to God, the Messenger and those who granted security than the party of God, these are they who are successful.".

Momin is mostly meant to be believer, but when God applies the title to himself, it has alternative meaning which most translations have it as granter of safety and security.

The Ulil-Amr (a) are to be referred in matters of safety and fear, and hence, grant security to the people if relied on.

(1)Proof by hadith


There is a hadith in Alkafi, that when asked about the verse "...don't take a waleejatan other then God and the believers", that believers here meant those who grant security.

The one place God gives himself the title Al-Momin, it's practically almost all agreed upon, with some exceptions, that it means one who grants peace, security, and safety.

It's rational to conclude in special cases like the waleejatan verse, and verse not to take Awliya (authorities) other then Momineen, and that Momineen see your deeds with the God of the universe and the Messenger, it refers to alternative meaning and special meaning, then believers, but better translated as "those who give security/safety" just as the verse about God is better translated like that when the title Momin applies to Himself.

(2) Context

The Quran talks about previous books to be judgment sources, but, also talks about the role of Anbiya who were safeguarding the revelation and would judge for the Jews and judge for the scholars.  It emphasizes on ruling and judging by what God revealed, then goes to a dialogue not to take awliya from those given the book before us.

The reason by flow is obvious to me, that, despite being handed down revelation and despite their duty to teach it's truth to the people, they are to not to be relied on as to what the Torah and Gospels actually teach.

They are not authorities over people despite their claim of representing the divine revelations and teachings.

In fact, some of them are authorities over others, and they don't agree upon who is the authority, which is one way of negating the authority of Christian and Jewish scholars.

Then it talks about not turning on backs to believers and addresses them and threatens them to bring about a people who God loves and they love him. 

Then in this flow says "Your only Wali is....", which means the religious authority you have, and it's about the same claimed by Christian and Jewish leaders not to be taken as authorities.....

As believers are being addressed in this topic, and they themselves are not all religious authorities, but rather like the dialogue of Rasool and Ulil-Amr,  it's those who grant security and safety with respect to the next world and this world as well, who are to be relied upon as authority.

Then it further emphasizes after that those taken as authorities from the people of the book, are those who religion has become a play pastime for them, a game of thrones and conjecture of desires.

This is not something that can only happen in the past, but can happen in the future. This is why God emphasized on the Wilayah of God and his chosen.

Backing it up in the Surah, it also flows back to the day God perfect his favor, and his favor linked to the reminder of God raising Prophets and Kings in the children of Israel, and that linked to the covenant and him sending Messengers reminded later, which is linked to the Twelve Captains (the true Navigators who were Messengers) in the covenant of the Children of Israel.

The flow is obvious, just as there was just Twelve Captains and not more or less, and they were the way to set the ship to safety and bring humans to peace and safety in this world and the next, here it's saying you have no other Wali to get guidance to what the Quran truly revealed except God himself (Quran by Quran), his Messenger (Sunnah), and those who grant safety those who keep up the prayers and give charity (even) while bowing who is a group that Imam Ali (a) represented when he gave his ring.

["yomen man rakabaha" (it grants safety to those who board it)]

(3) Logic

By rational logic, we aren't forbidden to love or be friends with people of the book, as Quran is clear only that type friendship and love was forbidden to those who fought the believers and prosecuted them due to their religion.  When the same chapter talks about marrying people of the book, it's not forbidding friendship with them.

So aside from context, the meaning as friend is absurd.  The same with ally, we are allowed to have allies other then believers.

That and Angels (a) are included in guardians and friends, but are not included in this verse if it means believers even though they believe, they are the ones conveying from God to Mohammad (s) about the hidden reality and revelation, so it doesn't make sense to call Gabriel a believer.

This is another reason why the best translation is the one I just provided.




Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 11:03:46 PM
He Umar ra achieved more than ANY divine imam ever did"

Prove it. No reference no nothing from you. Just empty words. Start bringing in references. Then we'll discuss it. Nothing can be discussed on just words from you. 😊

"No divine imam EVER existed even to this day and you have no proof of it"

Proved from the Qur'an time and time again. 😊

"Again your hatred is never ending especially on Umar ra, history has been written about Umar ra and His achievements, you just don’t want to know and keep your hatred up just keep shaytaan happy, you know the one who walks on the other side when he used to see Umar ra coming"

I don't hate anyone, never mind about Umar. 😊 Umar's character, performance and achievement, his merits and sacrifices after becoming a Muslim, where have I denied that. 😊 Where have I said that the man has or had no honour or respect. 😊 But despite all that he was a human and capable to make errors and mistakes,

capable to sin or commit a crime, capable of getting it wrong just like any other sahabi. 😊 Sahaba can go astray after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w, can't they? You've just accepted and proven that in the case of Malik.

"you know the one who walks on the other side when he used to see Umar ra coming"

And why is that? 😊 And you believe it just because it's written? 😊 Correct me if I'm wrong, why didn't the devil walk in the opposite direction or on the other side when he saw the Prophet s.a.w? The Prophet s.a.w was praying and in tashud, the devil asked him how many Gods are there? And the Prophet s.a.w got distracted from his prayers and responded by lifting his finger pointing out that it is one. Don't you believe in this. 😊

"Quran is sufficient is not a crime in Islam where as not paying zakah and following a false prophet"

Objecting to what the Prophet s.a.w has to offer, not willing to take what he is giving is a direct violation of the Qur'an as well as  an insult to the Prophet s.a.w. It is a crime according to Allah and the Qur'an. "What the Prophet s.a.w offers you take it, what he forbids refrain from it". An absolute and clear violation.

"I have put a constructive argument forward......sajjah"

Just words. Nothing more. Bring the evidence forward. The reports are mixed. Nothing concrete and solid.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 11:09:51 PM
Well syed ustaad dimwit it’s not my problem you don’t accept the fact the Ali ra gave bayah it’s written in authentic hadiths........you are going by your belief in nonsense to assume that wasn’t the case because that would mean Ali ra agreed what happened in saqifa, that event which you hate so much.
Your loss not mine.😜

Yea just to keep peace He will watch His wife get killed and let usurpers take what was a god given right, great shiites lowering a lion to a sheep,astaghfirullah.
You keep your false idea of Imam Ali ra to yourself lowering him to your level with your baseless assumptions.😂

😂

Lets go by your story which is rejected by Shias to begin with. Ali gave allegiance after 6 months, why not before this. What was the problem. And giving allegiance months later means accepting what happened in Saqifa. Then why not give allegiance months earlier. What kept him lets hear it. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 09, 2020, 11:31:45 PM
Huh? Dimwit authority doesn’t just mean rulers or leaders my local imam is an authority I am an authority to my kids such an ambiguous verse and you somehow found divine imams in there for real.😂👍

Lol the last verse you posted Alhamdulillah we BELIEVERS are walis of each other do try and post THE FULL VERSE:

Only Allah is your Waliyy and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate and they bow [in worship].

1) Allah swt is wali
2) prophet pbuh is wali
3) believers are wali the ones who pray and give zakah

The 3rd equals me and all others who pray and give zakah.

No divine Imamate there dimwit unless you are gonna do verbal gymnastics again to explain your alien theory of divine Imamate.😂

Allah swt has made Quran easy to understand for a believer where he can use the verses of Quran with ease and not go into an epic explanation about what it might mean.👍

This is Pakistani shiism at its best😂😂😜

"Huh? Dimwit authority doesn’t just mean rulers or leaders my local imam is an authority I am an authority to my kids such an ambiguous verse and you somehow found divine imams in there for real"

Lol. Can't get any silly than this. Don't play with meanings. A word has more than one meaning so you can use this to your advantage and stick the meaning that suits you. So your local Imam and you are also in the Qur'an after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w. 😊 Sweet.

Your local Imam can commit a crime like molesting children and get arrested for it. Parents can turn out bad towards their children. And you still believe local Imams of a mosque and patents are wali after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w and in that sequence. 😊 Think again.So Allah is your wali, the Messenger s.a.w. is your wali and everybody is a wali of each other. 😀 Hallelujah!

Yazeed Ibne Muawiya is your wali? Well he must be since he was caliph of the Muslims. This is your belief. Our belief is Allah is out wali, Muhammad s.a.w is our wali and Allah has put certain believers as wali on the believers after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w. And we believe they are the Ahlul Bayt, the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w which Qur'an and Muhammad s.a.w both speak about. And these are the two weighty things the Prophet s.a.w left behind for us. Allah is divine, his Messenger s.a.w is divine and so are the Ahlul Bayt who are our wali after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w and in that sequence.

"Lol the last verse you posted Alhamdulillah we BELIEVERS are walis of each other"

That's fine for you then. If you're wali of each other than why are you waiting for a saviour by the whos name will be the same as Muhammad s.a.w and who will be from the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w who will full the world with fairness and justice just as it will be full of tyranny and injustice. 😊 It seems like your walis will fill the world with tyranny and injustice 😊

"Only Allah is your Waliyy and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate and they bow [in worship].

Note this, "those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate and they bow"

These are certain specific people. Not everyone. If you keep this general and take the meaning that it applies to everyone then, you have good and bad, right and wrong, just and cruel, fair and crook, pious and evil etc and etc. And these can't be walis like Allah and his Messenger s.a.w 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 12, 2020, 05:22:41 PM
"Huh? Dimwit authority doesn’t just mean rulers or leaders my local imam is an authority I am an authority to my kids such an ambiguous verse and you somehow found divine imams in there for real"

Lol. Can't get any silly than this. Don't play with meanings. A word has more than one meaning so you can use this to your advantage and stick the meaning that suits you. So your local Imam and you are also in the Qur'an after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w. 😊 Sweet.

Your local Imam can commit a crime like molesting children and get arrested for it. Parents can turn out bad towards their children. And you still believe local Imams of a mosque and patents are wali after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w and in that sequence. 😊 Think again.So Allah is your wali, the Messenger s.a.w. is your wali and everybody is a wali of each other. 😀 Hallelujah!

Yazeed Ibne Muawiya is your wali? Well he must be since he was caliph of the Muslims. This is your belief. Our belief is Allah is out wali, Muhammad s.a.w is our wali and Allah has put certain believers as wali on the believers after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w. And we believe they are the Ahlul Bayt, the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w which Qur'an and Muhammad s.a.w both speak about. And these are the two weighty things the Prophet s.a.w left behind for us. Allah is divine, his Messenger s.a.w is divine and so are the Ahlul Bayt who are our wali after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w and in that sequence.

"Lol the last verse you posted Alhamdulillah we BELIEVERS are walis of each other"

That's fine for you then. If you're wali of each other than why are you waiting for a saviour by the whos name will be the same as Muhammad s.a.w and who will be from the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w who will full the world with fairness and justice just as it will be full of tyranny and injustice. 😊 It seems like your walis will fill the world with tyranny and injustice 😊

"Only Allah is your Waliyy and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate and they bow [in worship].

Note this, "those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate and they bow"

These are certain specific people. Not everyone. If you keep this general and take the meaning that it applies to everyone then, you have good and bad, right and wrong, just and cruel, fair and crook, pious and evil etc and etc. And these can't be walis like Allah and his Messenger s.a.w 😊

So basically you have NOTHING at all, authority to you is a sign it means divine......sweet😁

Yes Allah swt is my wali so is prophet pbuh and those who bow in prayer and give charity (parents,leader,teacher basically any Muslim who we use as an authority).
No divinity here.
ALLAH HU AKABAR!😁

Yazid is DEAD and buried he wasn’t divine we don’t follow such people and you know it, to consider him as a wali? Lol NO! Far from it.

You are ADDING in divinity to wali yourself as you say it’s what you believe, you’ve created the idea and now you have to explain it by adding in beliefs to sunnah and Quran thatCLEARLY isn’t there regarding divinity to imams, basically you have nothing but assumptions.

we aren’t waiting dimwit syed ustaad, clearly your assumptions based on the lies you’ve been fed is making you post nonsense questions.😂

You’re the ones waiting for the Saviour of shiites some made up super saviour that RAN and hid away from Sunnis for over a millennia only to come out when their are at the least 313 hard Shiite warriors!!!😂

I end it there😂👍
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 12, 2020, 06:03:36 PM
He Umar ra achieved more than ANY divine imam ever did"

Prove it. No reference no nothing from you. Just empty words. Start bringing in references. Then we'll discuss it. Nothing can be discussed on just words from you. 😊

"No divine imam EVER existed even to this day and you have no proof of it"

Proved from the Qur'an time and time again. 😊

"Again your hatred is never ending especially on Umar ra, history has been written about Umar ra and His achievements, you just don’t want to know and keep your hatred up just keep shaytaan happy, you know the one who walks on the other side when he used to see Umar ra coming"

I don't hate anyone, never mind about Umar. 😊 Umar's character, performance and achievement, his merits and sacrifices after becoming a Muslim, where have I denied that. 😊 Where have I said that the man has or had no honour or respect. 😊 But despite all that he was a human and capable to make errors and mistakes,

capable to sin or commit a crime, capable of getting it wrong just like any other sahabi. 😊 Sahaba can go astray after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w, can't they? You've just accepted and proven that in the case of Malik.

"you know the one who walks on the other side when he used to see Umar ra coming"

And why is that? 😊 And you believe it just because it's written? 😊 Correct me if I'm wrong, why didn't the devil walk in the opposite direction or on the other side when he saw the Prophet s.a.w? The Prophet s.a.w was praying and in tashud, the devil asked him how many Gods are there? And the Prophet s.a.w got distracted from his prayers and responded by lifting his finger pointing out that it is one. Don't you believe in this. 😊

"Quran is sufficient is not a crime in Islam where as not paying zakah and following a false prophet"

Objecting to what the Prophet s.a.w has to offer, not willing to take what he is giving is a direct violation of the Qur'an as well as  an insult to the Prophet s.a.w. It is a crime according to Allah and the Qur'an. "What the Prophet s.a.w offers you take it, what he forbids refrain from it". An absolute and clear violation.

"I have put a constructive argument forward......sajjah"

Just words. Nothing more. Bring the evidence forward. The reports are mixed. Nothing concrete and solid.


Come on syed ustaad dimwit Umar ra ruled 10 years am sure you know this but if neede proof will be provided inshallah not a problem. Likewise could you give us AUTHENTIC proof of a divine imam ruling?? (Not ambiguous verses and hadiths that are misinterpreted) something anything of authenticity.

Yes but did any sahaba follow a fake prophet?? There lies your answer but you will intentionally close your eyes and go to sleep.😁

I believe our Nabi Muhammed pbuh told us the merits of Umar ra including shaytaan walking in the other side that does in no way say anything negative about our prophet pbuh, His station is prophethood.
Your hate based on assumptions makes you think otherwise.

Yea Nuwera stopped zakah fundamental faith of Islam one of the 5 pillars you DIMWIT!! The verse you posted fits in well with above.
What was more important that Umar ra said Quran is enough?
So Umar ra stopped something that was equal to zakah.

Bring your proof now dimwit, what was as equally as important as zakah that Umar ra stopped?

As for the mixed reports show is the reports hypocrite I showed you mine, or is it that your minds mixed and the truth really hurts.😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 12, 2020, 06:17:06 PM
Lets go by your story which is rejected by Shias to begin with. Ali gave allegiance after 6 months, why not before this. What was the problem. And giving allegiance months later means accepting what happened in Saqifa. Then why not give allegiance months earlier. What kept him lets hear it. 😊

If authentic reports are rejected then why proceed?
You have no moral compass of judgement you will stick by your assumptions and theories.

Dimwit.
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 13, 2020, 01:19:07 PM
If authentic reports are rejected then why proceed?
You have no moral compass of judgement you will stick by your assumptions and theories.

Dimwit.

Authentic reports by whom? By you or a handful of Shias based on unity amongst Muslims? 😊 What's the matter, you don't want to talk about and discuss facts 😊 Just rely on reports with your eyes closed because it suits your ideology 😊 Discuss if you have it. I don't think you have it 😆
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 13, 2020, 02:26:13 PM
Authentic reports by whom? By you or a handful of Shias based on unity amongst Muslims? 😊 What's the matter, you don't want to talk about and discuss facts 😊 Just rely on reports with your eyes closed because it suits your ideology 😊 Discuss if you have it. I don't think you have it 😆

Lol let’s see you come up with authentic evidence to counter my evidence he wasn’t murtad and let’s see dimwit 😁

Come on then dimwit let’s start 👍
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 13, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
Lol let’s see you come up with authentic evidence to counter my evidence he wasn’t murtad and let’s see dimwit 😁

Come on then dimwit let’s start 👍

Also could you provide authentic evidence about Ali ra NOT giving bayah according to your theory.

And DONT post reports by handful of shiites who lie, give us solid proofs.

Come on dimwit let’s see your authentic evidences😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 14, 2020, 05:25:14 PM
Also could you provide authentic evidence about Ali ra NOT giving bayah according to your theory.

And DONT post reports by handful of shiites who lie, give us solid proofs.

Come on dimwit let’s see your authentic evidences😂

"Also could you provide authentic evidence about Ali ra NOT giving bayah according to your theory"

Did Ali give allegiance to Abu Bakr as soon as he heard about the decision in Saqifa? Or did Ali give allegiance to Abu Bakr after a period of 6 months? If after a period of 6 months then why? What was the reason for the delay? With references and explanation based on logic and reason 😊

"And DONT post reports by handful of shiites who lie, give us solid proofs"

Lol. Lol again. A handful of Shias? That's what you and others do. Just to prove your desired point you'll post a opinion/statement of a Shia Scholar or book picked at random and will try to get me to accept it 😀 And then you go "Shias who lie" What do you mean about that. Everyone who seems to disagree with you either is a liar or an hypocrite according to you 😀 Put down a principle and lets go by that 😊 But you will never ever do it. Your entire faith depends and survives on double standards 😀

"Come on dimwit let’s see your authentic evidences"

Lol. Lol again. And one more time since I find you sooooo funny 😂 Yeh lets see tha authentic evidence of Malik bin Nuwayrah going astray 😀 Did Ali give allegiance after 6 months or straight away? 😊 Make up your mind first 😀
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 14, 2020, 07:11:32 PM
"Also could you provide authentic evidence about Ali ra NOT giving bayah according to your theory"

Did Ali give allegiance to Abu Bakr as soon as he heard about the decision in Saqifa? Or did Ali give allegiance to Abu Bakr after a period of 6 months? If after a period of 6 months then why? What was the reason for the delay? With references and explanation based on logic and reason 😊

"And DONT post reports by handful of shiites who lie, give us solid proofs"

Lol. Lol again. A handful of Shias? That's what you and others do. Just to prove your desired point you'll post a opinion/statement of a Shia Scholar or book picked at random and will try to get me to accept it 😀 And then you go "Shias who lie" What do you mean about that. Everyone who seems to disagree with you either is a liar or an hypocrite according to you 😀 Put down a principle and lets go by that 😊 But you will never ever do it. Your entire faith depends and survives on double standards 😀

"Come on dimwit let’s see your authentic evidences"

Lol. Lol again. And one more time since I find you sooooo funny 😂 Yeh lets see tha authentic evidence of Malik bin Nuwayrah going astray 😀 Did Ali give allegiance after 6 months or straight away? 😊 Make up your mind first 😀

You want evidence based on logic, well He gave bayah in the end.
He gave bayah!!

You have NOTHING apart from lies and assumptions on why he did that.

I don’t want reports from kufans I want a genuine report that He didn’t give bayah, how hard is that? Or do you rely on kufi liars and Shiites who follow them?
You know you have nothing apart from the above for if you did you wouldn’t be dragging your feet posting nonsense.😂

We have many and I gave you ibn Kathir and tabari but it’s not my fault you want to selectively deny something that was commonly known and apparent, we don’t need to lie to make someone look bad.......like YOU do and being caught out.😂

Ali ra gave bayah full stop now the onus should be on you to provide solid proof He didn’t!
You can’t so you keep asking stupidly without realising, was it 6 or straight away again and again.

It doesn’t matter He served under the 3 rashidun khalifs (divine imam serving others kills off Shiite fake theory)you have nothing apart from assumptions to why.😂
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 14, 2020, 07:16:21 PM
Authentic reports by whom? By you or a handful of Shias based on unity amongst Muslims? 😊 What's the matter, you don't want to talk about and discuss facts 😊 Just rely on reports with your eyes closed because it suits your ideology 😊 Discuss if you have it. I don't think you have it 😆

You haven’t got facts but heresay and utter nonsense as is the case with you from day 1.

You can’t proof the core of your sects faith divine Imamate how on earth are you gonna prove falsehood right?😜
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 14, 2020, 07:32:28 PM
You haven’t got facts but heresay and utter nonsense as is the case with you from day 1.

You can’t proof the core of your sects faith divine Imamate how on earth are you gonna prove falsehood right?😜

Will discuss that later. Don't run and hide. Bring evidence forward of Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men (companions of the Prophet s.a.w) becoming apostates? 😊 Why are you hiding from this? 😊 Have I got you? 😊 Bring it on 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 14, 2020, 07:46:46 PM
Will discuss that later. Don't run and hide. Bring evidence forward of Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men (companions of the Prophet s.a.w) becoming apostates? 😊 Why are you hiding from this? 😊 Have I got you? 😊 Bring it on 😊

Yeah you got me man the proofs I gave you didn’t work Nuwera was not an apostate he was a shia who believed in divine imams.😂👍

Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: iceman on April 15, 2020, 12:10:00 PM
Yeah you got me man the proofs I gave you didn’t work Nuwera was not an apostate he was a shia who believed in divine imams.😂👍

Lol. Put some references forward 😊😀 You didn't give me any proofs but your opinion just on words 😆

Nuwera was a shia? Was he? 😊 Then where does the story of ibn Saba go? 😀 I thought you believed that he kicked off Shiaism? 😆 Your making yourself look like one hell of a fool. 😊
Title: Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on April 16, 2020, 11:44:00 AM
You can’t even talk never mind discuss lol, comparing a murtad to a Muslim as well as LYING just to prove a point😂

This is your dilemma and you have NOTHING!😂😂

Proofs has been given if you can’t reply to them proofs then it isn’t my fault if the easiest way out is to IGNORE them and keep repeating your nonsense......keep kidding yourself mate😂👍


I guess sarcasm is a bit too much for you 😁