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Hani

Orientalists and their retarded Shiite views
« on: February 19, 2015, 05:33:30 PM »
al-Salamu `Aleykum,


Often we've seen books written by orientalist historians that adopt retarded Shiite opinions based on very weak evidence. For instance, we see that a great amount of narrations in the books of all Muslim groups praise Abu Bakr's reign and justice, ONLY a small minority sect (Imami Shia) believe otherwise and use laughable evidence to back up their claims. Then we open a book by some orientalist historian, Lo and behold! He shares the exact same view of the Imami Shia, he shovels loads of authentic evidence down the drain and completely ignores it, and adopts a position that barely has any backing in the entirety of Islamic literature.


Now look at this lovely article here:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3748/uk-islamic-temporary-marriages


The author says that Mut`ah is greatly on the rise in Britain:


((The proliferation of "temporary marriages" shows how Muslims in Britain are using Islamic Sharia Law to establish parallel forms of marriage that are otherwise illegal.
An increasing number of Muslims in Britain are reviving the Islamic practice of temporary marriage, according to a recent BBC television documentary focusing on the "taboo subject."))


He talks about it as if it's wide spread between British Muslims! Does this author even know that the vast majority of British Muslims are Pakistanis and Arabs, who are mainly Sunni and do not practice Mut`ah or even understand how Mut`ah is performed? Yet this man wants to picture it like some epidemic, as if Muslim youth are all screwing each other secretly.


Then he says:


((Also known as a "pleasure marriage," Mutah was established within Islam by the Muslim prophet Mohammed himself as a way to reward his jihadists for services rendered to Allah. Although Mutah is sanctioned by the Koranic verse 4:24, the practice was later outlawed by the second Muslim Caliph, Omar I (634-644), who said he viewed temporary marriage as legalized adultery and fornication.))


Where the heck did he get this from? What reward? Also most Muslim scholars do not believe the Qur'an permits Mut`ah, only the Ithna `Ashari sect does. I add, the nation (except Twelvers) agree that it was Rasul-Allah (saw) who banned Mut`ah, not `Umar.


He says:


((Because of the informal nature of temporary marriage, there are no official statistics to show how many of these unions there are in Britain.))


Then maybe you should shut the heck up.


For those interested, the Mut`ah documentary is here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p018rv2l


Finally they conclude:


((According to Khola Hasan, "There is no difference between Mutah marriage and prostitution. There is a time limit on the marriage, and the mahr [payment] given as a mandatory gift [from the man to the woman] is the equivalent as a payment to a prostitute."


The BBC documentary concludes that temporary marriage is often being used simply as a way of religiously legitimizing sex.))


Well obviously! Mut`ah is very similar to prostitution especially the way Twelvers do it. When it was allowed as Rukhsah for a limited time that was on the battlefield and then it was forbidden.


((In an interview with the BBC, Omar Ali Grant, from London, and a convert to Shia Islam, says that has had around 13 temporary marriages but argues that he was just trying to find the right person to spend his life with. He concedes they could be used as a cover for premarital sex, but adds: "Sex is not haram [forbidden] per se. In Islam sex doesn't have negative connotations; it is not impure and is not dirty. What Islam is saying is sex has to be between consenting adults who are also responsible. Very often it is said that temporary marriage may amount to some prostitution, but it is not that. Prostitution does occur in certain areas of Muslim society, but then again prostitution happens everywhere."))


Try not to give a reputation that guys embrace Tashayyu` for the girls  ;)



عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ameen

Re: Orientalists and their retarded Shiite views
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 10:23:41 PM »
I read the begining and didn't bother with the rest because if the introduction isn't appealing then what can you say about the rest.

What ever views Shias put forward are backed by references from Ahle Sunnah authentic books. To be noted, once again Ahle Sunnah authentic books.

It is strange that the Ahle Sunnah label and continue to label such books as authentic and what ever they seem to put forward as references are automatically accepted as authentic and reliable.

But what ever Shias put forward as references from the same books they are considered fabricated and false.

This is beyond anyones understanding. I mean it's all about just a handful, just a few companions who are accused of certain things and my dear brothers just want them absolutely cleared in everything.

They believe that they were pious and good right from the begining until the very end and the other party is always wrong and the Shias are misguided absolutely every where and in every damn single thing.

Yes, it is beyond what is natural and absolutely the opposite of human nature. It's sound like a case from out of this world.

They were the companions but that doesn't take away their human instincts and nature. Shirk has to do with Tauheed and Kufr has to do with Nabuwath.

Thus there is no such thing what so ever as Takfeer on Sahaba, since Sahaba are members of religion and not part of it.


























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Re: Orientalists and their retarded Shiite views
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 11:45:36 PM »

What ever views Shias put forward are backed by references from Ahle Sunnah authentic books. To be noted, once again Ahle Sunnah authentic books.

It is strange that the Ahle Sunnah label and continue to label such books as authentic and what ever they seem to put forward as references are automatically accepted as authentic and reliable.

But what ever Shias put forward as references from the same books they are considered fabricated and false.

You have repeated the same lie 100 times on this forum and not a single time provided any evidence for your claims.

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This is beyond anyones understanding. I mean it's all about just a handful, just a few companions who are accused of certain things and my dear brothers just want them absolutely cleared in everything.

They believe that they were pious and good right from the begining until the very end and the other party is always wrong and the Shias are misguided absolutely every where and in every damn single thing.

Yes, it is beyond what is natural and absolutely the opposite of human nature. It's sound like a case from out of this world.

They were the companions but that doesn't take away their human instincts and nature. Shirk has to do with Tauheed and Kufr has to do with Nabuwath.

Thus there is no such thing what so ever as Takfeer on Sahaba, since Sahaba are members of religion and not part of it.

You are still clueless about what Sunnis believe about the Companions of the Prophet (saw).

P.S. Why do you create a large blank space in your posts?
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Hani

Re: Orientalists and their retarded Shiite views
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 11:56:09 PM »
Bro ignore what I ignored, (lovely rant).

Now take a look at this here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/22480991

In the above, the woman is saying that Mut`ah is a great solution for men and women to get to "experience" each other before marriage so they may know if they're compatible.

I feel that this is a perversion of the traditional purpose of Mut`ah, although in the books of Ahlul-Sunnah it says the Prophet (saw) allowed it in extreme circumstances during war, when women were not available. Yet we see here that it's purpose now changed from that into something new, it now serves as a means to legalize "dating". Last I heard those who wanted to find out if they were compatible can get engaged, so now Mut`ah takes the place of engagement?

I ask the brothers who are familiar with the Mut`ah narrations from the books of the Shia, to bring forth any narrations where the Imams mention the wisdom behind this type of marriage. I seriously doubt their narrations state that the purpose of Mut`ah is to "Get to know" your future husband or test him before marriage.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

 

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