Cruel killing of tribe of 'Ukl

[Sunni85]

Assalamualaikum, shia argues based on this hadith

A group of eight men from the tribe of ‘Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, “O Allah’s Messenger! Provide us with some milk.” Allah’s Apostle said, “I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.” So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, “They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.”) – (Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 261)

They said What kind of evil punishment is this?? Hands and feet were cut off and not given water till they died?

How to answer this? do we find any similar narration in shia books?

Thanks

[Hani]

Salam,

When I first read this it did surprise me, now you can refer to these links for explanations of why what happened happened:
http://www.understanding-islam.com/q-and-a/penal-law/a-case-of-a-severe-punishment-delivered-by-the-prophet-pbuh-5576

And:
http://discover-the-truth.com/2015/04/08/eight-men-from-ukil-savagely-killed-a-shepherd-and-robbed-him/

I will further research this one InshaAllah,

[Hani]

My personal opinion is that I doubt this even happened in the first place, or that it ever happened in the way it was described

[Hani]

Here's some interesting tid-bits, Farid can take a look at these:

Musannaf `Abdul-Razzaq:
Hasan al-Basri denied it
وَقَالَ لِي هِشَامُ بْنُ عُرْوَةَ: سَمَلَ النَّبِيُّ  أَعْيُنَهُمْ، وَذَكَرَ أَنَّ أَنَسًا ذَكَرَ ذَلِكَ لِلْحَجَّاجِ، فَقَالَ الْحَسَنُ: عَمِدَ أَنَسٌ إِلَى شَيْطَانٍ فَحَدَّثَهَ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ  قَطَعَ وَسَمَلَ، يَعِيبُ ذَلِكَ عَلَى أَنَسٍ
al-Thawri cast doubt on the narrators
عَنِ الثَّوْرِيِّ، لَعَلَّهُ عَنْ أَيُّوبَ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ، يَشُكُّ عَنْ أَبِي قِلابَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ، أَنَّهُمْ مِنَ عُكْلٍ
This verse was revealed for them
قَالَ قَتَادَةُ: بَلَغَنَا أَنَّ هَذِهِ الآيَةَ أُنْزِلَتْ فِيهِمْ: إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ الآيَةَ كُلَّهَا

Al-Sunan al-Ma'thourah:
Muthlah(punishment by torture) was forbidden after it
عَنِ الثَّقَةِ، عَنْ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ مِثْلَ مَعْنَى هَذَا الْحَدِيثِ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ  وَزَادَ فِيهِ أَنَسٌ: فَمَا خَطَبَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ  بَعْدَ هَذَا خُطْبَةً إِلا نَهَى فِيهَا عَنِ الْمُثْلَةِ

Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh:
This was abrogated according to the scholars
وَالْمَحْفُوظُ عِنْدَنَا اللامُ قَالَ أَبُو عُبَيْدٍ: وَقَدْ ذَكَرَتِ الْعُلَمَاءُ أَنَّ هَذَا قَدْ نُسِخَ وَأَنَّهُ كَانَ فِي أَوَّلِ الإِسْلامِ

Musnad Ahmad:
They declared war on Islam
وَقَتَلُوا رَاعِيَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ  مُؤْمِنًا أَوْ مُسْلِمًا، وَسَاقُوا ذَوْدَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ  وَهَرَبُوا مُحَارِبِينَ
This was before punishments were prescribed
قَالَ قَتَادَةُ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ سِيرِينَ، إِنَّمَا كَانَ هَذَا قَبْلَ أَنْ تَنْزِلَ الْحُدُودُ

Bukhari:
Abu Qillabah mentions their crime
قَالَ أَبُو قِلَابَةَ: فَهَؤُلَاءِ سَرَقُوا وَقَتَلُوا وَكَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ وَحَارَبُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ

Tirmidhi:
The punishment they received was similar to what they did to the shepherds
حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمَانُ الْتَّيْمِيُّ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ: " إِنَّمَا سَمَلَ النَّبِيُّ أَعْيُنَهُمْ، لِأَنَّهُمْ سَمَلُوا أَعْيُنَ الرُّعَاةِ ".قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى: هَذَا حَدِيثٌ غَرِيبٌ، لَا نَعْلَمُ أَحَدًا ذَكَرَهُ غَيْرَ هَذَا الشَّيْخِ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ زُرَيْعٍ، وَهُوَ مَعْنَى قَوْلِهِ وَالْجُرُوحَ قِصَاصٌ

[Farid]

Wa alaykum alsalam wa rahmatullah,

This hadith has been narrated by three narrators from Anas bin Malik. It is therefore authentic without a doubt and it has been narrated in the Saheehain.

There are narrations that suggest that Yasar, the servant of the Prophet peace be upon him had his arms and legs cut off by them, and had his eyes gauged out, and therefore the punishment that they received as similar.

It is authentically narrated from Mohammad bin Sireen, as Hani quoted above, that this was before the legislation of Hudood.

Allah knows best.

[Sunni85]

thanks all, but what about this phrase

"They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died"

Is this part of the qisas?

[Farid]

Yes, it is "an eye for an eye" after all, since they left Yasaar to die in that state.