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Title: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 14, 2016, 12:45:12 PM: Hello,

I am french and I don't speak english very well,

I will introduce me. I get ready a pdf to refute charge about Abou Hourayra (ra)

I will demonstrate that many prediction reported by him will be produced! excepted great signs but there are in the coran. It is the most proof that it was not a liar! ( I'm based on the book of Waqil, and Al Arrefee NOT sheik Imran hossein... obviously)

Then I will demonstrate that it is not an "ommeyade" because he is died before Yazid ascension so we don't know what would be his attitude during Yazid khalifa.

The most important is that Ibn Mussayb his grandson(the great tabirine!) has been hurted by kalifs! it's the proof that Abou Hourayra has educated his pupile to be free!

But I have a proplem, My probleme is this adnan ibrahim's videos when he reporte this hadith.

"Said Ibn MUssayb says that when Muawiya spend money to Abou Hourayra he talked ."

this Hadith is from TARIKH DIMASHQ of Ibn Asakir, AL BIDAYAH WA EL NIHAYA of Ibn Kathir and AD DHAHABI in the Abou Hourayra Biography

the hadith is quoted at 16,14 in this videos.

Someone can says me if this hadith is SAHIH, and if it is sahih what is the context of this Hadith?
I Need experts

Baraka la ou fik is very very important, If you speak french it's better for me When i will finish my refutation's work i will send you inshallah.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: Farid on January 14, 2016, 04:13:02 PM: Welcome to the forums bro.

It is good to see more French brothers being active in this field. =]

The narration does seem acceptable to me. It isn't like what the liar Adnan Ibrahim says. They are not all Imams.

The first narrator is Alaa' bin Abdul Jabbar NOT Abdul A'ala bin Abduljabbar, as Adnan said. Al Nasa'ee says: Laysa bihi ba's (he is not bad), and Abu Hatim said: Salih (decent).

More importantly, the narration is unclear. It doesn't say what Abu Huraira was talking about. It doesn't say that he hid hadiths or anything. There is no context. Of course, opponents will use this to assume the worst for Abu Huraira.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 14, 2016, 04:56:09 PM: Quote from: Farid on January 14, 2016, 04:13:02 PM
Welcome to the forums bro.

It is good to see more French brothers being active in this field. =]

The narration does seem acceptable to me. It isn't like what the liar Adnan Ibrahim says. They are not all Imams.

The first narrator is Alaa' bin Abdul Jabbar NOT Abdul A'ala bin Abduljabbar, as Adnan said. Al Nasa'ee says: Laysa bihi ba's (he is not bad), and Abu Hatim said: Salih (decent).

More importantly, the narration is unclear. It doesn't say what Abu Huraira was talking about. It doesn't say that he hid hadiths or anything. There is no context. Of course, opponents will use this to assume the worst for Abu Huraira.

Ok so for you it's an acceptable narration. Thanks.

Thise narration seems me strange because it's Said Ibn Moussayb who delivered hadith of this same Abou Hourayra .He was his grandson.

It's strange because it's means that Saib Ibn Moussayb has worked 40 years for a sold out?

If anyone have more information give it to me.

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Brother we are in this field because shia'ideas progress in french...

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I will demonstrate that Abou Hourayra is saddiq because there are incrédible hadith.

For exemple in the Waqil book there are lot of hadith of abou Hourayra whitch come true.

For exemple Abou Hourayra says " before the arabic peninsula was covered of woods and river" and scientifics discovered that 5 years ago!!

Look it's in french http://www2.cnrs.fr/presse/communique/2485.htm

How Abou Hourayra would can known that!!!

It's the same with the hadith about big building ... Woment unclothed but dressed etc etc... Abou Hourayra report lot of incredible hadith !!!

It will be the incontrevertible evidence of his honnesty. In the book of Waquil and Al Areefi there are moste of 20 proof that Abou Hourayra say true!!!

It's what. I have need to your help. I will have severall question for you all. and inchallah in 2 or 3 month my work will be finished. then I will send my work to you. and toward many website inchalla.

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Then My purpose it's to demonstrate that Said Ibn MUssayb is against Ommeyade. He did married his daugher to the kalif Abdelamlik!! And he did'nt Bayra to this kalifs arcodind Ibn Sadd ( dou you know if IBN sadd is a good source?)

I will make a fool of people who deffamed Abou Hourayra.

I make my work with one Imam who worked in medina. But I Need again more precision. It's that I went to you.

Baraka la ou fik.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 14, 2016, 05:50:23 PM: Look an another example.

Abou Hourayra reporte by the Prophete peace upon him.

"We will fight against turkish"

And look at this map.

It's the 5 th image.

http://www.xaviermartin.fr/index.php?post/2010/05/09/COURS-SUR-LES-ESPACES-TURCOPHONES

How you can says that he was a liar??? For exemple Abou Hourayra says. " One time muslims will curse the sahaba."

Etc etc...

I thing I am enough clear about my work.

I ma sorry to repeat myself but I am angry and i want to stop this evil religion of shia. Also I don't speak very well english so I can't make a short sentence.

come all to help me.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: Farid on January 14, 2016, 07:11:10 PM: These are good evidences brother. Well done.

I asked my shaikh about the hadith means that Abu Huraira asked for his money, which is his right, since he was vice-governor of Madinah.

Ibn Musayyab, on the other hand, refused to take money from the government.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 14, 2016, 08:58:19 PM: Quote from: Farid on January 14, 2016, 07:11:10 PM
These are good evidences brother. Well done.

I asked my shaikh about the hadith means that Abu Huraira asked for his money, which is his right, since he was vice-governor of Madinah.

Ibn Musayyab, on the other hand, refused to take money from the government.

Ok it's liked to his job of vice gouvernor? can you says more please?

You know there is the hadith when Abou Hourayra says " the prophète (puh) give me 2 earthenwares if I distribute the second, people would have killed me"

Scholars says that hadith is linked to hypocryte gouvernors of kuraysh and if he talked he was killed.

look, there is explication here, it's in french you can translate in english all it's explain (exept the ibn mussayb hadith) ---- https://islamqa.info/fr/147659

The Adnan Ibrahim hypothesis is that Abou Hourayra dont' speak about hypocrite gouvernor because Mouawiya pusuaded him with money...

SO the hadith of Musayb in Ibn Asakir book is not linked with hypocryte governor like Adnan Ibrahim supposition?

Because my hypothesis is that Abou Hourayra don't speak aboute Hypocryte governor because all alone known that was not important for the religiouse practice moreover by rational thiking he known that he will be killed... He don't make it independently to Mouawiya or money...

You know what i want to say? it's sublte but not the same signification and approach

I want to be very accurate because I will talk to sensitive subject ( sign of the end time, banu ommeya,shia, orientalism, etc..) it very sensitive subject and I don't want to hide truth like shia or manipulate people who will read my work...

barakala ou fik sorry for my insistence and my preciosity.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 14, 2016, 11:42:40 PM: *In my first sentence I would say "LINKED" and not Liked sorry.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: Farid on January 15, 2016, 02:40:38 PM: Quote from: scusemyenglish on January 14, 2016, 08:58:19 PM

Ok it's liked to his job of vice gouvernor? can you says more please?

Je n'ai rien de plus à dire. C'est juste une théorie.

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You know there is the hadith when Abou Hourayra says " the prophète (puh) give me 2 earthenwares if I distribute the second, people would have killed me"

Scholars says that hadith is linked to hypocryte gouvernors of kuraysh and if he talked he was killed.

C'est possible parce qu' il avait toujours prié Allah qu'il ne viva pas jusqu'à l'année 60H, dont Yazid serait le caliphe.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 15, 2016, 04:31:45 PM: Quote from: Farid on January 15, 2016, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: scusemyenglish on January 14, 2016, 08:58:19 PM

Ok it's liked to his job of vice gouvernor? can you says more please?

Je n'ai rien de plus à dire. C'est juste une théorie.

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You know there is the hadith when Abou Hourayra says " the prophète (puh) give me 2 earthenwares if I distribute the second, people would have killed me"

Scholars says that hadith is linked to hypocryte gouvernors of kuraysh and if he talked he was killed.

C'est possible parce qu' il avait toujours prié Allah qu'il ne viva pas jusqu'à l'année 60H, dont Yazid serait le caliphe.

Ok it's just that I can't explain this hadith of Musayb especialy Abou Hourayra reported hadith since Omar khalifa... Never He stoped until his death... He justify his attitude that according to verses of coran (Coran,2:159)
It's that I don't understand...

merci d'avoir parlé en français.

Pour le hadith sur l'an 60 qu'il voulait éviter, cela montre qu'il n'etait pas à la solde des ommeyades, car sinon il n'aurait pas craint ces années et la fitna des gouverneurs...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 15, 2016, 05:09:35 PM: Ok I have à second question.

I making a refutation. It will be an several Parts.

the one parts will be demonstrate that many Abou Hourayra hadith become reality. when we look there are 70 % become true. (if you don't be taken into hadith which are in the coran like Jesus return, Yajuj Majuj etc...)
See the book the end of the time of Yusuf el Wabil. It's full of Abou Hourayra Hadith.

Shia will be sickened to see thah they have excommunicated him while there is no more saddik that him!

They will see their Hystorical mystake to excommunicated him. In their Book Nahjul Balagha it's written that " Ali has rejected Abou Hourayra saying it's a liar" or I don't remember exactly...

My work will be according the work of great scholar.

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The second part it about Link between Abou Hourayra and Banu Ommeya. I want to destroye this myth.

Abou Hourayra his nearded to Mouawiya it's sure but LIKE all sahaba, Hussein, Hasan, Ibn Abbas etc... there is nothing upsetting .

there were an IJMAH an unanimity toward Muawiya after Ali death.

Moerover I will demonstate that many hadith of Ali's merites are from ... Abou Hourayra or his grandon ! it's the same for Fatima'merites, alou lbayt in general!!!! But No one hadith about Muawiya merite from Abou Hourayra!

How he was corrupted by muawiya???

He was him who" loved" Ahlou Bayt most than nobody!

The worst it's Abou Hourayra he is died before the second fitna So we don't know what would have been his reaction toward Omayad during this second fitna!! It's their Shuoubouat (shia) when they says Abou Houray was submitted to Ommaya. But thanks to Said Ibn Mussayb we know what would been Abou Hourara reaction toward Oummaya.

The conclusion it's their theory collapse !

It's in this context that I request you if you have the Hadith that Adnan Ibrahim quote when Abou Hourayra says " If I want to denounced them I will do it"

Because Adnan Ibrahim quoted " It's Marwan Al hakim who says to Abou Hourayra "don't speak !"!!
If why I would like to have the entire hadith when Abou Hourayra says "If I want to denounced them I will do it"
and where I can find it.

Baraka la ou fik it's very important. Because in google France when you writte Abou Hourayra there are full offent on Abou Hourayra.

It must be change that!
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 17, 2016, 12:43:44 AM: Hello

Sorry but... can you forbid this topic to shia please?

Like that, they will have the surprise of their life when they will read this refutation.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: Farid on January 17, 2016, 04:29:21 AM: Quote
Because Adnan Ibrahim quoted " It's Marwan Al hakim who says to Abou Hourayra "don't speak !"!!
If why I would like to have the entire hadith when Abou Hourayra says "If I want to denounced them I will do it"
and where I can find it.

The first narration here is also from Tareekh Dimashq, but the chain is weak. I never heard of the second hadith before.

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Sorry but... can you forbid this topic to shia please?

This is not possible technologically. If you don't want your posts to be seen in public, you can use private messages though.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 17, 2016, 02:39:58 PM: Hello,

In Marrocco there is a guy who did an "study" for demonstrat that Abou Hourayra has no kown Mohamed (Peace Upon Him) !

his study based on 4"case"

first "the prophète died in 11 or 12 of hijra" (hegire)

Second "He says thaht Abou Hourayra confirmed thaht he had between 33 or 39 years when He becomes muslim..."

Then" Abou Hourayra is dead at 75 or 78 years"

Finaly "he is dead between 57 or 60 of Hegire"

This "study" is here at the last articale --- http://mlouizi.unblog.fr/category/il-etait-une-fois/

But I thing that there is a flaw in this "study" it is that there is no source saying Abou Hourayra had between "33 or 39 years " when he becomes muslim...

I think the author had invented this event for his théorie...

And I think without that, his theory collapse. Because if you just suppose thaht he has 30 years when he besomes muslim his calculation fall down.

Can you attest thaht there is no source that saying Abou Hourayra has NO more than 30 years when he becomes muslim?

Thant you because In my refutation it would must talk of that.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 18, 2016, 09:38:44 PM: Hello I sent you an extract of my refutation.

Like that if it is convenient, you could appropreated it . And understand the "soul" of this refutation.

It in french. but there is many image for illustrated .

If you want understand ask to à french. he translate that.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 20, 2016, 02:25:33 PM: Hello,

Can you. If you can say me if.

- if the plague has touched Medina? Because according 2 hadith one of Ibn Omar, other to Abou Hourayra says "the plague will not touch Medina" ... Are you more information ...

- Second could you send me All hadith with reference to Ommeyad for example:

the hadith when Abou Hourayra says "it's quraysh will destroyed oumma"

Or the hadith of Asma when shes says " El Hajjaj was announced by Mohamed" (puh)

There is also one hadith of Abou Hourayra when he says to the child Abdelmalik " He will become Gouvernor"

Etc etc...

Thank you
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 20, 2016, 11:07:40 PM: I am in the hadith of Abou Hourayra when He "says" " there will have a fire in Hedjaz"

And this "prediction" come true acording to Al Qurtubi, Nawawi etc... and there have many volcano in hedjaz.

But the more funny is. Shia they use this hadith for say that it indicated ... the war between Saoudi and Shia in Yemen...

Look it's the Zahra center. They use the stupid interpretation of ""sheykh""" Imran Hoseyn...

But the worst is in their stupid movie they don't says thaht it's Abou Hourayra who reporte this hadith!!!

Look it's in french at the beginning.

The worst it's they don't put the name of ... Abou Hourayra. If not they are obliged to accept thaht Abou Hourayra is salih!

Now I understand the game of Sheikh Imran Honsein... Justify the international policy of shia! Now we know why Imran Hossein was received in iran... Him, it's should not forbid Him... He contribute to shia propaganda

First their interpretation is totaly stupid then They don't put the name of the sahab who report that...

ridicule does not kill

PS: For english people they are zara center , a shia to north of France. They are very active in our contry...

Sorry for the size of the video I don't know how shrink it.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 22, 2016, 01:12:52 AM: In fact Shia use our hadith for justify that Ali (raa) is the firt khalif,

And they use Imran Hosein for justify that our eschatology support their position of real muslims...

This Jahyl has invented an echatology made to measure for Shia.

like that shias win in all front. But when you look how they interpret our eschatologic hadith. We understand why they believe that Ali (raa) was the first kalif. haha
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 22, 2016, 01:13:45 PM: Look the volcanic Geology in Saoudi.

"The fire" come from volcano. It's Ibn Kathir, Al qurtuby they say that. This fire has occured in 1256 .

We can see all it's black. that proof that there had a volcanic eruption.

Abou Hourayra says true! ( I dont' know it is an Ahad Hadith?)

No link with Houthis in Yemen acording Imran Housein hahaha.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 24, 2016, 01:37:29 PM: Hello.

Nobody respond me?

in connection with Jewish influence. I have that.

Shia says.

-Acording to Ibn Saad " One man has interchanged hadith of Kaab el Akhar and hadith Ot the messenger (psl) and this man reported from Abou Hourayra"

-And there is this Hadith about the creation in 6 days reported by Muslim.

But Al Bukhari says this hadith come from Kaab El Akhbar.

It's over?

The first narration is sahih or not?

Are you other information about that?
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 24, 2016, 10:21:55 PM: Quote from: scusemyenglish on January 24, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
Hello.

Nobody respond me?

in connection with Jewish influence. I have that.

Shia says.

-Acording to Ibn Saad " One man has interchanged hadith of Kaab el Akhar and hadith Ot the messenger (psl) and this man reported from Abou Hourayra"

-And there is this Hadith about the creation in 6 days reported by Muslim.

But Al Bukhari says this hadith come from Kaab El Akhbar.

It's over?

Look, it's in french.

http://www.islamchiite.fr/2016/01/la-mefiance-envers-les-hadiths-de-abu-hurayra-du-fait-de-l-alteration-entre-sa-parole-et-celle-de-ka-b-al-ahbar.html

Can you tell me , if there is just that about "Jewish influence"?

Because there are full poof of the jewish influence in Shia !
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 25, 2016, 11:00:32 PM: Honestly I'am very disappointed . Nobody respond me.

Honestly I Have test this technic against Shias and it very very very effective.

Shia don't want talk with me, they are afraid because I show them that Abou Hourayra knew "El GHAIB" (invisible) , grace Messenger( puh), more than all shia's books assembled.

Like you know "EL GHAIB" is very important for Shia. But it's Abou Hourayra and Hudayfa who was especialised of it. not el Kulayni or "their imam".

Why nobody respond?

Without you I could do this refutation, but with your help it will be the ultimate refutation.

I'm not here to act the clown.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 26, 2016, 12:30:00 PM: Hello,

Yesterday I told with Shia.

And He reporte me this hadith.

o people of iraq! you think that i lie upon holy prophet asws so that it gets easy for you; i testify that i heard prophet asws say that when a dog licks a vessel , wash it 7 times
[sahih ibn maja, albani, vol 1, page 129, book of taharat, chapter when dog licks washing the utensil]

I answerded that "People of Irak" it's the same who has killed Ali, and leaved Hussein.

People of Irak are like Son of Israeli .

People of israel deny, renounced to Moussa and God

People of Irak deny, renounced to Ali, Hussein, Abou Hourayra.

People of Irak renounced, they are rawafid... like rawafid of Moussa people.

We see influence of Ibn Saba on people of Irak.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 26, 2016, 12:59:59 PM: Quote from: scusemyenglish on January 25, 2016, 11:00:32 PM
Honestly I'am very disappointed . Nobody respond me.

Honestly I Have test this technic against Shias and it very very very effective.

Shia don't want talk with me, they are afraid because I show them that Abou Hourayra knew "El GHAIB" (invisible) , grace Messenger( puh), more than all shia's books assembled.

Like you know "EL GHAIB" is very important for Shia. But it's Abou Hourayra and Hudayfa who was especialised of it. not el Kulayni or "their imam".

Why nobody respond?

Without you I could do this refutation, but with your help it will be the ultimate refutation.

I'm not here to act the clown.

One brother told me that you are very very busy. sorry for my precipitation
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: Farid on January 26, 2016, 01:27:16 PM: I am sorry as well akhi. Sometimes I don't have time to help others because I am doing too many things at once. I am currently writing a book, translating it, and reviewing another one. So please excuse me.

Inshallah other brothers can participate in this discussion.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 26, 2016, 04:42:03 PM: Hello ,

If you want see what which give my work of refutation in practice in front of shias.

Look, for example, my public debate with one shia who insult Abou Hourayra in this marroccan forum, very known, infesting of shias (even if i'am algerian lol) .

This technic of refutation it's like free fight and when i would finish this work it will be largely strongest...

Sorry but the debat is in french.

I'am Doctor Slump.

http://www.yabiladi.com/forum/qu-est-ce-qu-il-avait-dans-huraira-80-7511146-page=1.html

it's very important, I think seriously shias collapse after that.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 28, 2016, 04:41:02 PM: Why Shias regard Abou Hourayra as a real dog??? ( it "funny" for someone who love cats)

Acording to Shias Abou Hourayra it's a dog

But Why??

Abou Hourayra was with the messenger (puh) 4 years but it's not enough for them...

Why?

Because Abou Hourayra was poor and he don't come from a distinguished lineage .

For them, if you are not come from a distinguished trib (like Banu Hisham, Quoraisy etc...) you are a sub-human, a real dog!

Even if you" know" "El Ghaybe" with more of 30 "predictions". you are a sub human because you are not come from the good clan!

If it's not a sectarian reflexion, I don't know what is it!!!!

It's a social and racial discrimination!

It's sum up shias!!

It's a symbol that the great hadith narator was a poor man who come a low tribe!

Soubh Allah!

PS: if you want, improve this reflexion in good english. and Add this reflexion here--->

http://twelvershia.net/2015/01/11/abu-huraira/
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: MuslimK on January 29, 2016, 12:56:18 AM: Brother,

Are you asking about Kaab alahbaar?

And what do you mean by Abu Hurayra and "El Ghaybe"?
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 29, 2016, 06:02:13 PM: Hello brother,

What I mean by Abou Hourayra and "El Ghayb"?

For Shia "El Ghayb" (unseen) it"s very important in their aqeeda.

I think we must go in this field...

Because they are no proof that "twelvers" had knowledge about " El Ghayb"

But our Messenger (psl) had kwoledge about "El Ghayb". Knowledge GIVE BY ALLAH OF COURSE.No shirk in my reasoning!

And Abou Hourayra has passed this knowlede with hadith.

So Abou Hourayra know, for example, in the future there will have geat town, all sign of the end of time.

Read the book of Yusuf al wabyl about that. is full of hadith sahih on the future . (from Abou Hourayra)

It's angle of attack of my refutation.

Now I do a debate with a shia in this web site where Shia says Abou Hourayra is a liar ...

And me I send him "predictions" of Abou Hourayra. Like that there is nothing he can says. Him and all Ibn Mutah of this forum. They are affraid of that!!!!

LOOK. it's at the tenth post. I talk about hadith report by Abou Hourayra about the war with GENGIS KAHN)

http://www.yabiladi.com/forum/qu-est-ce-qu-il-avait-dans-huraira-80-7511146-page=3.html

I'm sure that this Angle of attack will be devastating for them.

Look usuallay, in this forum sunnis are affraid to talk about Abou Hourayra. They have no big argument...

But now when I test my work of refutation on shias this them who are affraid.
Look nobody respond me. Usually they are very excited to talk on Abou Hourayra.

But here. with my technical. there is nobody... ibn mutah are vanished ...

FEAR HAS CHANGED SIDES!

(sorry it's difficult for me with my english...)
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 29, 2016, 07:13:27 PM: Quote from: AbuMuslimKhorasani on January 29, 2016, 12:56:18 AM
Brother,

Are you asking about Kaab alahbaar?

Yes Yes Yes, It's very important.

It's a central point, of course.

I will say you things whitch easy to refute for me.

- The hadith with the creation in 6 days withch is from Kaab el Akhbar not the messenger. (it's the point of view of Bukhari) It's easy to refute. Abou Hourayra is not responsible

- The hadith of bisr ibn sa'id who says thaht one man has switched hadith of messenger with hadith of Kaab el Ahbar.

But this man is not mentionned and we know that tabirine nears to ABou Hourayra are salih and Known like Munajid, Saib ibn Mussayb, Hammam etc...

According to me Abou Hourara is no responsible of this switch!

all is in this Ibn mutah web site http://www.islamchiite.fr/2016/01/la-mefiance-envers-les-hadiths-de-abu-hurayra-du-fait-de-l-alteration-entre-sa-parole-et-celle-de-ka-b-al-ahbar.html

Says me what do you think about all this?

So there is also the history that says Kaab el Ahkbar. has killed Omar Ibn khattab, he was the scolar of Mouawiya...

There is also the story when Ibn Abbas treat Kaab saying "He is a liar"...

I think all it's from of the book of TABARI but i no proof... What do you think???

And Shias says about Hourayra was familiare with kaab. ( For me I can't see the problem because Omar also knew Kaab according the hadith of Hamad when he reports Kaab was on the rock dome, Masjid Al asqa with Omar. ...)

( it's strang to see a jew who want destroye Islam, acording shias; but the same jew built a Masjid on the most holy place for hewish people... Shias are not affraid to contradiction...)

And He knew TORAH. what do you thing about that??

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It's very very important for me because at the end. I want to compare the so-called jewish influence on sunnis. and the real jewish influence on shias.)

For example if Kaab he want to wash jewish people why he has no accused Aicha to kil the messenger for wash jewish?

Who curse the mother of Jesus (Maryam) and who curse the mother of believers aicha? We see the link between SHia and Talmud.

Who wait Dajjal the same meesiah that Jew peaople?? Sunni or chiia. Moroever Abou Hourayra has report Dajjal will appears to IRAN, according to Anas there will have jew people of Iran with Dajjal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

How Abou Hourayra could know it? That Dajjal will appears in Iran ??

Etc etc...

You see it's not a common refutation.

Help me please, I know I'm irrating but I' m sure of me.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 29, 2016, 11:05:44 PM: And I want to know.

What is the real name of Abou Hourayra?

I was thinking it was Abdel rahman.

But I have seen Nawawi he says there is 30 names!

And why there is no "Ibn" before his real name? I think, it's juste an hypothesie, may be it's because he comes from Yemen? And in Yemen it's not like Mecca or Medina with IBN before the name?

Please respond me about that.

why Nawawi, Ibn Hajar ( in his book Al-Issabah Fi Tamyize As-Sahabah), A dahabi (Siyar Aâlam An-Noubala) , don't know his " real "name?

Barakala ou fikoum.

After that I will show that Many sahaba had KUNYA (nickname) ...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 29, 2016, 11:09:35 PM: Quote from: Farid on January 26, 2016, 01:27:16 PM
I am sorry as well akhi. Sometimes I don't have time to help others because I am doing too many things at once. I am currently writing a book, translating it, and reviewing another one. So please excuse me.

Inshallah other brothers can participate in this discussion.

I understand you...

Me too, on average, I work 2 or 3 hours by day for this work...

But don't hesitate.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on January 30, 2016, 08:44:09 PM: Hello.

For the Abou hourayra age.

I think it's al Waqidi who says that.

He says Abou Hourayra had more of 30 years when he met the messenger (puh) . Also he says Abou Hourayra is died at 78 years old.

But I Think A dahabi in " Siyar a'lam annubala " . He refutes that. He says he had not 78 years when he deided.

But I don't know If he thought that Abou Hourayra had more of 30 years when he met the messenger (psh)?

Apparently WAQIDI ( Ibn Omar Ibn Waqid) is not reliable.

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Waqidi was facing critics regarding his scholarly reliability from many Islamic scholars,[16] including:

1. al-Shafi’i (d. 204 A.H.) said "All the books of al-Waqidi are lies. In Madinah there were seven men who used to fabricator authorities, one of which was al-Waqidi."

2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241 A.H.) said "He is a liar, makes alternations in the traditions"

3. Al-Nasa’i (d. 303 A.H.) said "The liars known for fabricating the Hadith of the Messenger of Allah are four. They are: Arba’ah b. Abi Yahya in Madinah, al-Waqidi in Baghdad, Muqatil b. Sulayman in Khurasan and Muhammad bin Sa’id in Syria."

4. al-Bukhari (d. 256 A.H.) said "al-Waqidi has been abandoned in Hadith. He fabricates Hadith"

5. Al-Dhahabi (d. 748 A.H.) said "Consensus has taken place on the weakness of al-Waqidi"

6. Yahya ibn Ma'in (d. 233 A.H.) said "He is weak. He is nothing. Not reliable!"

7. Ishaq Ibn Rahwayh (d. 238 A.H.) said "According to my view, he is one of those who fabricate Hadith"

8. Abu Dawood (d. 275 A.H.) said "I do not write his Hadith and I do not report (Hadith) on his authority. I have no doubt that he used to make up Hadith"

9. Abu Hatim Muhammad ibn Idris al-Razi (d. 277 A.H.) said "He fabricates Hadith. We have abandoned his Hadith"

10. Al-Daraqutni (d. 385 A.H.) said "There is weakness in him (in his reporting)"

11. Ali ibn al-Madini (d. 241 A.H.)said "He fabricates Hadith"

12. Ibn ‘Adi (d. 365 A.H.) said "His traditions are not safe and there is danger from him (in accepting his traditions)"

13. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852 A.H.)said "He has been abandoned in spite of vastness of his knowledge"

14. Abu Zur’a al-Razi (d. 264 A.H.) said "(Waqidi's writing) Abandoned, Weak"

15. Al-Nawawi (d. 676 A.H.): said "Their (muhaddithin scholars) consensus is that al-Waqidi is weak"

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But even if . His not reliable about hadith can we learn of him in the field of Biography of sahaba???

Because apparently he was considered like a pillar in history...

I says that for refute the calculutation of Abu Rayya who says Abou Hourayra was more old for meet the messenger!.

Barakala ou fik.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 04, 2016, 12:45:03 PM: BARAKALA OU FIKOUM FOR YOURS BOOKS!

I'm going to break for read your books.

Books are great but HADITH ON THE FUTURE WHITCH COME TRUE OF ABOU HOURAYRA ARE LACKING! ;D

And all shias use AHAD HADITH OF ABOU HOURAYRA ABOUT FUTUR for their propaganda!!!!

They love him, but Abou Hourayra belong to us!

I have knocked on the right door! :D
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 07, 2016, 11:13:22 PM: Je m'adresse aux Francophones.

Je pense qu'il est temps de faire connaitre l'ensemble des site de refutation du shiisme . Ainsi que les livres de réfutation concernant Abou Hourayra a l'ensemble des sites francophones au dela de toutes les différences intra sunnites.

Ils pourront ainsi soit les faire connaitre soit les traduire.

Il n'est pas normal de laisser les sunnites francophones dans le désarroi le plus total sur ces questions.

Pour ma part j'ai envoyé des liens aux Havres du savoir . ça serait bien aussi de les envoyer à chiites.fr mais j'arrive pas à le joindre.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 08, 2016, 02:36:29 PM: So I read the debate between FARID vs WASIL.

In fact the hadith of creation in 6 day is probably a mistake of tabiin? not à mistake from Abou Hourayra?
Furthermore anyway this hadith is in contradiction with coran...

For to be very complete about this subject . of KAAB.

I read kaab is recognized in shias's hadith?

Then shias introduce KAAB like a SPY.

First page http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-1

second page http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-2

then http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-3

Lot of quote are from BOOK of TABARI...

KAAB introduce like a SPY, What do you think?
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 08, 2016, 11:35:31 PM: Example of "Abou Hourayra's prediction"

"The convergence between markets is a sign of the end of time"

Reported By l'Imam Ahmed, sahih from ABOU Hourayra.

This hadith according to cheikh Al Albani, Ibn Baz is linked with GLOBALIZATION.

When you can see this hadith come true! And Abou Hourayra ALONE reports this fact like that!

he has describe the economic systeme where we live curretly! It' hard to a ""liar"" isn't it?

30 " predictions" are to come ! ;)

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The" convergence" of european market, asian market and American market! It's hard to a ""liar""" ;)

You knonw why lot of shias do TADLEED for steal hadith of Abou Hourayra but they don't quote him!

They say for us " Hoooo Abou Hourayra liar tadless monster" but shias in high ball they know Abou Hourayra say true!
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 15, 2016, 09:13:26 PM: Hello.

I am reading the debat between Farid and one shia.

It's very unbearable to read your contradictor but...

I have seen the shia laugh because Abou Houraya reports 2 hadith when He says " Animals talks".

But We can see that Hadith from Abou Hourayra when he reports " shoes will talk" come true!

"The Hour will not be established until the straps on his sandal (shoe) speak to him, and his thigh informs him of what occurred with his family after he left.”

report By Ahmed Ahmed Shakir says it an anthentic narration.

Look.

Shia still find hadith of Abou Hourayra ridiculous???[/i]

Mostly, the hadith when Abou Hourayra report WOLF talk is the same when he reports Shoes will talk!!!!!
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 16, 2016, 01:16:53 AM: I want to specify about the predition on" Shoes will talking" .

This hadiht is reported by Abou Hourayra and Said el Khoudri. both narrations are authentic.

in this book http://www.iqrashop.com/La-fin-du-monde-Les-signes-de-l-Heure-les-signes-mineurs-et-majeurs-avec-illustrations-et-explications-Dr-Muhammad-al-Areefi-Livre-livres-Dogme-Aqida-p18615-.html

Dr Areefee says there is 2 point of view about this hadith. either objets will talking in the literal sense or acording other scholars it's a reference about new technologie like phone, miniatures technologies etc...

Moreover . This book of Arrefe was written BEFORE the google invention of talking shoes in 2011. ( I think the book of arreffe was written in 2010) ...

Once again, It's hard to a ""liar"... that is enough...

When you see that it 's JUST in the 21the century that we understand hadith reported by Abou Hourayra I understand "rational muslim" like mutazilla who says "Hadith of Abou Hourayra are incredible !!!!!! irrationnall!!!!!" But in the 21th centuty there are no doubts! khalass We know Abou Hourayra has said truth.

And the" worst" like you see. he says truth on very secondary issue of the "creed" (sign of end of time is not the main issus in Islam!) AND he talks about issue very very distant of his time, in the future ... SO IMAGINE his precision on main issus of Aqueeda very known in his time... It's just... very strong...

Mutazilla must update their data on Abou Hourayra . They have not update their data since 10 century.

I wonder if this hadith of "shoes talking" made laugh shia or mutazilla especcially this hadith are reported in the same hadith of Animal talking. If "Shoes will talking" why Animals in the past are not talk with the messenger(puh)? especially all is in the same hadith .

It remember me the hadith of Jibril who he is come in earth! It's incredible! it's also report by Abou Hourayra !!! But in the same hadith Abou Hourayra talk about GREAT TOWN built by arab people in the end of time . ! it is as if Allah want to certify that this incredible fact are truth!

(one issus is to know if Abou Hourayra was a eyewitness of Jibril visit or not? ;D it would be a nose-thumbing!)

to meditate...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 16, 2016, 11:15:48 PM: Hello,

I have finished to read the debat between Farid and one shia...

http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=14843&page=1

(if that is all righ for Farid...)

I think it's very interesting because almost all classics are raised by the shia exept Omar who""" strike""" Abou Hourayra :D fortunately, I want to say.

If someone want to be useful, I think it will be interesting to sum up all point raised in this debate. It's will be a good base for neophyte who discover the hate against Abou Hourayra...

That would be a damage to fall all this analysis. I think...

I know, I insist on Abou Hourayra but I think it's a cornerstone between Ahlou Lsouna wal jamara and all others...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 20, 2016, 01:44:30 AM: How Abou Hourayra has educated his family?

Like you know hadith reported by Abou Hourayra on the merits of Ahlou lbayte, Ali, Jaffar, Fatima hussein and Hassan are incalculable...

Then there are many hadith reported by Abou Hourayra on the future about and against tyranny and young people of banu ommeya[/color] ( for exemple, for hadith against Banu Ommeyad . See Sahih Bukhari chapter of Subversions. all will be in my refutation)

So The Abou Hourayra's family has raised in the love of Ahlou Lbayt.

The Proof is Said Ibn Moussayb who has refused to give allegeance to banu ommeya. And He has refused to married his daugher to the khalife Abdelmalik!!! Said Ibn Moussayb is the symbol of the resistance against the banu ommaya tyrrany THANKS TO EDUCTION OF ABOU HOURAYRA!

Above all there is this Dua of Abou Hourayra when he says " I want to die before the khalifa of children". Because like you know Abou Hourayra was a mountain of knowledge. So he knew all the futur!

Said Ibn Moussayb was always with Abou Hourayra. And he is the fruit of the love of Ahlou Lbayt and the proof that Abou Hourayra is dead in the same creed that ALI!

Abou Hourayra has given a wonderful education for his grandson! THE LOVE OF AHLOU LBAYT AND NOTHING OTHER! Abou Hourayra was the first shia! in the best sens of the term!

The life of Saib Ibn Moussayb http://www.islamweb.net/frh/index.php?page=articles&id=176435

I don't know why this argument of Said Ibn Moussayb is never used...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 20, 2016, 04:29:02 PM: &feature=youtu.be

Yesterday Moncef Zenati have make video . He talks about Abou Hourayra.

I have try to talk with Moncef Zenati since longtime . But without success...

Rather interesting. I hope videos about Abou Hourayra will multiply for washing internet of the hate against Him.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 21, 2016, 05:20:44 PM: Hello.

There is this incredible hadith reported by Abou Hourayra. What do you think about the isnad.

Acording to Abou Hourayra the messenger (puh) says.

"The last generation of this community will curse the first generation of this community"

And see this hadith come true. for example, See the Mouawiya's grave... He is protected for not be desecrated...

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In the same hadith there is this prediction.

" The religion will be studied NOT FOR ALLAH but for other goals"

We are a good example for this prediction with Adnan Ibrahim who "learn" the religion but obviously not for Allah. This Jahyl who defame Abou Hourayra he don't know the messeger (puh) throught Abou Hourayra has anounced jahyle like him...

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ISNAD:Hadith reported by Tirmidhi . He says this hadith is gharib.
In the isnad there are. Ramih Al Judhami, he is not known, but that is corroborated by proofs from Ali and this isnad is include Al Fraj Ibn Faddalah, and in other reported by Al Tabarani by Awf Ibn Malik, the isnad include Abd Al Hamid Ibn Ibrahim.

Do you know scholares who considers this hadith like an authentic narration???
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 22, 2016, 04:35:43 PM: I suppose you know Bernard Henry Levy... This man is probably the most powerful in France... This french jew want to make an "islamic reform". He had said it's the main goal of his life...

He had made an programme in one public channel this mounth. When he talks about some hadith which must be "neutralized" . It's his words... He adds it's the disease of Islam

http://replay.publicsenat.fr/vod/bibliotheque-medicis/invite-bernard-henri-levy/bernard-henri-levy/195871

See to 31 minutes.

And when you see in some jewish websites, why they considere Islam like an anti-semitic religion? We see very much hadith up to Abou Hourayra...

For them Abou Hourayra is a target. It started with orientalist like Goldzinger...

For example Abou Hourayra reports the hadith when the messenger talk about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and obviuously other sahaba talk abouth the muslim victory..

So we understand why they want to "neutralized" Abou Hourayra 's hadith...

Because Abou Hourayra he was not submitted to the jewish influence...

Bernard Henry levy wants to make an islamic reform on the back of Abou Hourayra. Little like FELIX MARQUARD , Felix Marquard is the jew who is near the jahyl ADNAN IBRAHIM! And Felix Marquard want to turn ADNAN IBRAHIM KNOWN

See it's a video onto Felix Marquard. See at 25 minutes the brother talks about the link between Felix Marquar and the big jahyle Adnan Ibrahim.

as usual, as always everything happens in France for the better or for the worse ... which is starting in France, for the better or for the worse finished by touched the rest of the wold .
That is why it's important that French muslims lean to the good side!
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 23, 2016, 04:55:20 PM: Another proof that people against Abou Hourayra are under jewish influence.

Mohamed Louizi. This man is completely... I prefer not insult Him because I know he make many trial He like very much make complaint, file a complaint with jewish lawyer ... He is a real big jahyle. When you see his blog you see he is a real DON QUIXOTE.

It's him in France who has translated the "study" from Abu rayah the king of jahyl with his stupid study saying "Abou Hourawa was converted to Islam during... Omar' khalifa hahahaha.

This poor man has based his ""study"" on the hadith from WAQIDI the infamous liar saying "Abou Hourayra had 33 or 39 years when he becomes muslim". But Abou Raya and Mohamed Louizi they have not says that EVEN WAQIDI the liar has always considered that Abou Hourayara was sahaba. In brief a big, a magnificient whatever... I have never see that.

But as always, Mohamed Louizi who has made many pictures in his stupid blog against Abou Hourayra is also with jew and sionist.

Because Mohamed Louizi the man who says Abou Hourayra was under jewish influence M.Louzi HIMSELF is near jew power ...

Mohamed Louizi make many trials against muslims in France. Me I know him because he defame Abou Hourayra . But his Lawyer is RICHARD MARKA. Richard Marka defend sionisme , he is a lawyer against Hijab in france, he has defended Dominique strauss khan, he has defended FEMEN, and Mohamed Louizi the man known for have defame Abou Hourayra.

Richard marka He hates Islam.

His work against Abou Hourayra is very known and many people believe it...

So Like Adnan Ibrahim we see all man against sunna are under jewish influence if they had lived during the time of Yazid. All they woud have be slaves of Yazid.

In any case all those Jahyl was announced in lot of hadith from Abou Hourayra.

All of that is to say that they are very big hypocritical.

Another thing at the last mount Mohamed Louizi has said. "Abou Hourayra was against DOGS" hhahahahaha Funny when you know that Abou Hourayra has reported many hadith sahih saying if you are careful with dogs you can go the janna...

Brief a big Whatever but with a good audience... with the help of mass media...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 23, 2016, 07:39:30 PM: For Dogs.

Many sahaba had reported hadith on dogs. It must not be in the house.

But there is one ahad hadith from Abou Hourayra in this subject.

Is the hadith about the drool of dog.

Me I'am Maliki.

And us in the madhab of Imam Malik we says the dog is pure, clean. And if the drool of the dog touch you. You can also do the salat!

So Imam Malik had understood that this hadith about drool of dog is not linked with the Odo purification for salat.

This hadith from Abou Hourayra is linked with another thing... My Iman in my masjeed says me may be it's linked with the unseen.

And apparently as always the morden science gave reason to Imam Malik. Because the drool of dog is FULL OF BACTERIUM.

Sorry it's difficult for me to explain because of my english. But see Iman Malik about this hadith For me it's the better fatawa on this subjetc. Also see articles from Atheist saying the drool of dog is very very dangerous.

Once again this hadith mocked by jaylian.is confirmed by the modern science.

And this specific hadith don"t mean that muslims don't like dogs, and it's not a proof for say "We can't do salat if the drool of dog touch you" acording Imam Malik :)

In brief they say anything. When jahyl people talk it's terrible.

That is the real meaning of this hadith.

Abou hourayra reports

i testify that i heard prophet asws say that when a dog licks a vessel , wash it 7 times
[sahih ibn maja, albani, vol 1, page 129, book of taharat, chapter when dog licks washing the utensil]

But when you are a jahyl from a sect... You cant' understand because many hadith from Abou Hourayra are linked with the unseen. The reason can't always understand it. Like the hadith with talking shoes...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 23, 2016, 07:57:15 PM: Inshallah when I whould have the time I will talk about 2 INCREDIBLE VERY INCREDIBLE hadith from Abou Hourayra. From the book of Yusuf WABYL
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 25, 2016, 01:04:09 PM: Maybe in my refutation I will talk at the end about the personnality of those who defame Abou Hourayra. For showing their hypocrisy...

For example with the help of the jew lawyer Richard Marka. Mohamed Louizi, the man who defame Abou Hourayra, is "in fight " against this Masjid. He wants to turn off this Masjid. He fight this majid like DON QUIXOTE.

I'm very sorry to talk about him but look the polution of those who are against Abou Hourayra. he is against this masjid where you can see this sister who begins muslim.

Mohamed Louizi in his stupid study he has surrounded the name of Abou Hourayra with stars of David... I think it's on his slapping face he should have draw stars of David...

When He not defame Abou Hourayra he defames this masjid...

He is very scholary man... mostly when he quotes AL WAQUIDI like one reference... When I think he has said in mass media " We must reformed Islam"...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 25, 2016, 04:48:05 PM: I 'm sorry to talk about those people. But I need to off my chest.

There is also this man who defame Abou Hourayra.

It's Mohamed Sifaoui.( There is lot of MOHAMED in this field...) He becomes very very very rich and known because He defame Islam in mass media.

The worst he has written a stupid book where he defames Abou Hourayra.

See this extract of his stupid book.

https://books.google.fr/books?id=GOdcCvmjM-MC&pg=PT26&dq=abou+hourayra&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwifqqCngJPLAhUDthoKHavWDPgQ6AEIJzAC#v=onepage&q=abou%20hourayra&f=false

He says "Abou Hourayra is the base of the fundamentalism" For Sifaoui for break down Fundamentalism He call all people to strick Abou Hourayra!

This man is very very near the French gouvernment... And he is always in mass media.

Look his face soubhanallah... he has the same face like Salman Rushdie... See the malediction/cuse of Allah on their face...

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With his face and his kippah and his friends like Adnan Ibrahim And Mohamed Louizi they want to bring doown Islam on the back of Abou Hourayra...

He has the same face and the same career that Salman Rushdie. The only difference is Just that Salman Rushdie with his face of woodlouse he got married with a model. "fortunately" for Him He has offensed Islam if not...

Defame Islam is the "luck" of their wretched life...

But don't worry .When People they will know that Abou Hourayra has reported more of 30 predictions and that Abou Hourayra was against Banu Ommeyad. that will finish! Nobody will listen them when they will talk about Abou Hourayra.

They will receive tomatos.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 26, 2016, 12:01:08 AM: For improve the atmosphere

There is this funny hadith linked to our life.

In French

D'après Abou Hourayra le prophète (psl) a dit: « L'heure ne surviendra pas tant que les gens ne se mettront pas à bâtir des demeures qu'ils orneront comme on orne et brode des vêtements d'apparat.»

My own translation: Houses will be decorated like you embroider your dress

Reported in Al Adab Al Mufrad by Bukhari . Acording Sheikh Al Albani it's an HASAN narration

We see this prediction come true . In our life and with the trend of the interior Design, COCOONING Design etc... We see that also with program in TV etc...

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I don't want people think that Abou Hourayra has only reported sad hadith! ;D
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 27, 2016, 02:51:50 PM: If someone know how improve "visual indentity" for pdf-format please contact me.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 28, 2016, 12:10:22 AM: I understand you Farid when you said " I have no time for respond "

Me too it's very difficult to deal with all...

But that was announced by Abou Hourayra!

The messenger (puh) says:

"The Last Hour will not come before time contracts, a year being like a month, a month like a week, a week like a day, a day like an hour, and an hour like the kindling of a fire."

sahih narration.

See explanation of Ibn Hajar.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: GreatChineseFall on February 28, 2016, 02:41:30 AM: Quote from: scusemyenglish on February 27, 2016, 02:51:50 PM

If someone know how improve "visual indentity" for pdf-format please contact me.

What do you mean by visual identity?
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 28, 2016, 02:53:29 PM: Quote from: GreatChineseFall on February 28, 2016, 02:41:30 AM
Quote from: scusemyenglish on February 27, 2016, 02:51:50 PM

If someone know how improve "visual indentity" for pdf-format please contact me.

What do you mean by visual identity?

My goal is brodcast this refutation the most possible on internet for when one muslim make reseah on Abou Hourayra He find in first instance good things on Abou Hourayra. Not things froms shias or others...

I hope that websites those who will brodcast it. will propose it for read in their website BUT also in pdf format because this permit a better brodcasting online.

I have see that with the ""work""" of Mohamed Louizi. In forums, Shias in one click they put all the PDF of this Jahyle Mohamed Louizi. And it's very efficient for brodcast doubts...

So I used arguments never seen in this refutation. Thoses who will read it would want cornered/monopolized Abou Hourayra.

Because only a made man can says " Abou Hourayra says true when he talks about the futur BUT he lies when he talk about his time or the islamic creed..". It's totaly illogical... not to mention Said Ibn Moussayb and the fact that KAAB EL AKHAB has contributed to build the symbol of palestinian resistance, Masjid Alaqsa etc......

In brief nobody will believe those against Abou Hourayra after read this refutation.

BUT if I introduce that on "OPEN OFFICE" with pictures badly cut. using a basic " TIME NEW ROMAN" it's not credible...

The most important for the moment is "how convert this refutation in PDF FORMAT"

Just to give an indication. I want to improve the visual quality of this refutation a little like that ------> http://mahajjah.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/al-burhan.pdf
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: GreatChineseFall on February 28, 2016, 03:46:46 PM: Learn to work with LateX, the best way to create pdf's. It does have a little bit of a steep learning curve, but it pays dividends.
You don't have to download anything to start learning, overleaf.com does everything online
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 28, 2016, 10:35:39 PM: Quote from: GreatChineseFall on February 28, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
Learn to work with LateX, the best way to create pdf's. It does have a little bit of a steep learning curve, but it pays dividends.
You don't have to download anything to start learning, overleaf.com does everything online

Barak Allah ou fik Iwill see that !
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 29, 2016, 12:21:32 AM: SAID IBN MUSSAYB HAS DENOUNCED OMMEYADE WAR CRIMES

Said Ibn Mussayb said: " when the fist troubles has appeared no one sahaba of battle of Badr has survived.

When the second fitan appareared no one sahaba of Al Hudaybiya have survived."

AL Baghawi says:" the fist troubles was the Othman death. the second troubles was the Battle of Harra"

see: Sharh Al sunna t 14 p 395 with the verification of Shu'ab Al Arna'aut.

The battle of Harra is when Yazid has invaded Medina. Many sahaba are dead. (Obvioulsy that was announced by Abou Hourayra when he says "the ruin of my oumma will be caused by young of Quraysh")

We must know that with his attitude of repulse against khalifes the grand son of Abou Hourayra has open this tradiction of opposition against khalifs .

Because for preserv the real islamic creed . Said Ibn Mussayb was the first to say no for save the real sunna.

In this same tradiction we find.

Imam Malik who was hit by Abbaside khalife.
Imam Shafiri he was persecutated by Aroun Rashid because he was banu hisham.
Aboui Hanifa was in jail.
Hanbal ibn hambal was also persecutated.
etc etc etc.

This tradiction of resistance for save the sunna has continued until IBN Taymiya who was dead in jail.

So when we say Abou Hourayra has "preserved the sunna". He has protected the sunna even after his death because it's with the education given to his grandson, Said Ibn Moussayb, that this tradiction of opposition agaisnt khalif, for save sunna, was established.

In fact we can see Said Ibn Mussayb was the """"spiritual son"""" of Ibn Taymiya.

But I must noted one thing. All scholars of Ahlou Lsouna was in opposition with Ommeyades and Abbaside SINCE the grand son of Abou Hourayra.

ALL... EXEPT the Shia mahdi . Him he has prefered to escape to tunnel...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 29, 2016, 01:04:39 PM: The consecration for the indigenous "MO-HA-MED" Louizi.

His articles is related, since last month, by the website of the Jewish Defense League...

Him has surrounded the name of "Abou Hourayra" with stars of David. see the first page-- http://mlouizi.l.m.f.unblog.fr/files/2009/07/iltaitunefoisuninfodsurlechemindedamas.pdf

But now is HIM who has his face with star of David above his face...

http://www.liguedefensejuive.com/mohamed-louizi-pourquoi-jai-quitte-les-freres-musulmans-2016-01-23.html

Souban Allah!

The reader will see WHO is under "Jewish Influence"...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on February 29, 2016, 11:40:23 PM: If you want more information about the hadith of " Lands of arabs was covered of forest and rivers. And this land will become covered of forest and rivers"

You can see the explanation of Arreefi in this short videos.

Arreefe talk about experts. It's true you can see that in more atheist web site. ;)

There is another hadith from one another sahaba but he don't talk about "All arab lands" he talk only of the town of TABOUK... and in this hadith there is no reference about the past contrary to the hadith of Abou Hourayra. As usual Hadith of Abou Hourayra are often more precise that other sahaba I have lot of exemple ( the hadith with prediction of Ottoman Empire for example" ;) the hadith with prediction of ottoman empire will be one of fireworks of my refutation).

It's more precise because Abou Hourayra had a perfect memory. wHEN you know the messenger (psl) had a gift for talk. And often we find this prophetic gift through Hadith from Abou Hourayra.

In this video you see also prediction About Shirk. This hadith is from Abou Hourayra and It's him who report lot of hadith about Jahyle for Exemple see the hadith in the top of this page.

PS: Areefee talk Also About the hadith of JIBRIL at the beginning. My conclusion is that Abou Hourayra was the witness of the apparition of Jibril. He has seen Jibril in his Human form.

etc etc etc...

Inchallah I will do a prospecting online for see muslims who know how made videos in the same quality that the video of Areefe but just with hadith from Abou Hourayra. For showing the perfect knowledge of Abou Hourayra. ;) If you know someone don"t hesitate
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 01, 2016, 12:44:21 AM: sorry it's an error please remove it ;)
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 02, 2016, 11:06:35 AM: On Said Ibn Mussayb.

For know his life.

Apparently, He was a great friend of 'Alî Zayn Ul 'Âbidîn Ibn Al Husayn Ibn 'Al. If you have more information about that... send me it.
( I have seen that here...)
http://sunnisme.over-blog.fr/article-sa-id-ibn-al-musayyib-m-94-l-un-des-7-fuqaha-de-medine-77647032.html
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 04, 2016, 11:55:14 PM: http://www.jesus-for-all.net/islamic_books/pdf_0050.pdf

It's in this Book ,Page 45 to 48, where we can find the scoop of the 21st century !

Abou Hourayra has never seen the messenger (puh) !
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 06, 2016, 07:25:44 PM: For this book of Bouhamdi.

I am with brothers of TAQIYA.NET.

They confimed me that he has used the hadith of Tabaqat from ibn Saad

قال: أخبرنا محمد بن عمر. قال: حدثني كثير بن زيد. عن الوليد بن رباح. قال: سمعت أبا هريرة يومئذ يقول لمروان: والله ما أنت وال وإن الوالي لغيرك فدعه. ولكنك تدخل في مالا يعنيك. إنما تريد بهذا إرضاء من هو غائب عنك. قال: فأقبل عليه مروان مغضبا فقال له: يا أبا هريرة إن الناس قد قالوا أكثر عن رسول الله ص الحديث. وإنما قدم قبل وفاة رسول الله ص بيسير.
فقال أبو هريرة: قدمت والله ورسول الله ص بخيبر سنة سبع وأنا يومئذ قد زدت على الثلاثين سنة سنوات. فأقمت معه حتى توفي ص أدور معه في بيوت نسائه وأخدمه. وأنا والله يومئذ مقل وأصلي خلفه وأغزو وأحج معه. فكنت والله أعلم الناس بحديثه/ قد والله سبقني قوم بصحبته والهجرة. من قريش والأنصار، فكانوا يعرفون لزومي له فيسألوني عن حديثه. منهم عمر بن الخطاب- وهدي عمر هدي عمر- ومنهم عثمان وعلي والزبير وطلحة. ولا والله ما يخفى علي كل حدث كان بالمدينة. وكل من أحب الله ورسوله. وكل من كانت له عند رسول الله ص منزلة. وكل صاحب لرسول الله ص. فكان أبو بكر رضي الله عنه صاحبه في الغار. وغيره قد أخرجه رسول الله ص من المدينة أن يساكنه. فليسألني أبو عبد الملك عن هذا وأشباهه فإنه يجد عندي منه علما كثيرا جما. قال: فو الله إن زال مروان يقصر عنه عن هذا الوجه بعد ذلك ويتقيه ويخاف جوابه. ويحب على ذلك أن ينال من أبي هريرة ولا يكون هو منه بسبب . يفرق من أن يبلغ أبا هريرة أن مروان كان من هذا بسبب . فيعود له بمثل ذلك فكف عنه

the ISNAD : أخبرنا محمد بن عمر. قال: حدثني كثير بن زيد. عن الوليد بن رباح
There is Mohamad Ibn Omar (el wakidi)

The Hadith is DAIF

إسناده ضعيف.
- كثير بن زيد بن مافنة- بفتح الفاء وتشديد النون- الأسلمي أبو محمد المدني صدوق يخطئ. من السابعة مات في آخر خلافة المنصور (تق: 2/ 131) .
- الوليد بن رباح المدني. صدوق. من الثالثة. مات سنة 117 هـ (تق: 2/ 332) .
تخريجه:
وانظر البداية والنهاية: 8/ 108 فقد ساقه عن ابن سعد بإسناده. وقد أخرج مسلم في صحيحه كتاب فضائل الصحابة حديث رقم (2492) من طريق الزهري عن الأعرج وابن المسيب عن أبي هريرة: يقولون: إن أبا هريرة قد أكثر عن رسول الله ص والله الموعد ... ثم ذكر ملازمته لرسول الله ودعاء الرسول له بالحفظ.

The brother of http://www.al-taqiya.org/ , will see if there are another authentic narations about the age of Abou Hourayra when he met the messenger.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 15, 2016, 01:02:03 AM: [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

In this Book I have read one thing whtich confirm my hypothesis About Kaab el Ahbar.

Because In this Book we find. "Omar said to Kaab el Ahbar Build Masjid for Muslim!"

I think Omar had never seen Al Qods before the conquest of this town. So He needed a muslim who knew this town for built this Majid.

So in fact the "cadastal map" of masjid Al Aqsa should be in the Thorat.

For jews the rock dome is the place when Abraham shoulde be sacrifaced his son.

Then i have read in a short flyers from Palestinian humanitarian association saying.

" this majid was probably buid by Adam or the son of nouh"
"Ibrahim also has buid this Masjid"
"Souleyman wanted a kingdom after he has build this masjid"

SO for Kaab el Ahbar this land of Al Aqsa is linked with the power of messengers like in the thorat. It's probably why he liked Omar Ibn Khattab...

It's just a very personnal opinion but
May be the Hadith when the messenger( saws )say " If there is one prophet afer me it would have been Omar" is linked with the fact that Omar will conquest Al Qods... Because Omar was the first muslim since old messengers who has conquest this holy lands where they(messengers) guided people...

In any case I think it's was the point of view of Kaab! acording to his knowledge[/b]

PS: Please someone know if the conquest of Al qods was After or Before the expulsion of jews from Khaybar by the caliphe Omar???

Because if Kaab has build the masjid AFTER the explution of jews that show his sincerity contrary to Ibn Saba who has not accept that!

Show this little Present...

For some shias. they don't recognized this masjid!

If Abou Hourayra has met this man it's an Honor!
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 21, 2016, 12:52:50 AM: Now I work with the hadith saying.

"better during paganism are better during Islam"

Accoring to many scholars like Ibn Hajar, this hadith is linked with the Hadith of the fight against Turkist and it announced their conversion to Islam!

And when we read all Hadith about the conversion of Turk people. We see that others sahaba have reword words of the messenger saws.

But Abou Hourayra has reported the hadith since the figh against turck to their conversion. Exactly with same eloquent words of the messegenrs saws. (thanks to his memory)

Currently, Tatars have no consideration in Criméa...

It's sad to see this people annouced by the messenger through Abou Hourayra so belittle... Make Duah for them....
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 21, 2016, 12:57:12 PM: Also we must know that Muawiya was very afraid to fight Turkish.

He forbad his army to fight against Turkish.

Mouawiya was afraid because he knew the hadith saying " The khalifa will be take by Qantûrâ (turkish)"

According To Al Albani this last sentence is daif. But for Ibn Hajar it's sahih.

In any case this hadith reported by Abou Hourayra saying " the better during Jahilia is the better during Islam".
It"s the proof that the DNA of Islam has not change since the time of the messenger saws!

This part of the hadith . I think only Abou Hourayra reported this part. Symbolise Islam. Bacause we have seen this inexplicable phenomenon of conversion during the time of Messenger saws with Omar, Mouawiya.

With Tatars.

And now with the increase of Islam in the world.

I say that because scholars say this hadith of Abou Hourayra has 2 side. One specific side with conversion of Turkish!

And one other general side with all other people!

For exemple

In fact this hadith Of Abou Hourayra is a permanent Miracle!

Abou Hourayra is The sahaba of all superlatves! It's very difficult for sum up Him! Only a very very very great scholar can do it!

I have seen an another hadith witch symbolize Islam. This hadith has announced the Hellenization of Muslim. Very spectacular!
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 29, 2016, 08:53:43 PM: [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Salam,

This hadith is from Abou Hourayra.

We can say that it's just a simple Hadith...

But follow me.

This hadith is reported by Bukhary.

And Bukhary has used this hadith for explain this verse of coran. in the chapter

" The word of Allah " "O you who have believed, do not consume usury, doubled and multiplied"

That show Bukhary and Abou Hourara knew, since more of 1000 years, that in the future in an area the usury will be generalized

That is also a lesson for those who say "Al Bukhary was a mad man, stupid etc.."

Since more of 1000 years Bukhary knew that one area like our area would exist! When you see all states are tottally submitted by the usury.

Imagine is knowledge for what's happen during the time of sahaba or the time of messenger! Al Bukhary is the better historian never seen in our earth....

See the commentary of Yusuf Al Wabyl about this prediction it's very interessting! He says, " the fact that Bukhary has used this hadith of Abou Hourayra for explain this vers... That show his deep knowlege of the religion..."

Yes Bukhari has well understood hadith from Abou Hourayra.

"So ask the people of the message if you do not know" like Bukhari, not like stupid man like Musawi, , Al Qumi ...

When Musawy has seen the knwoledge of Abou Hourayra he was totally overtaken by events the poor.

“The scholars are the inheritors of the Prophets” But Musawi and Qumy are not scolars
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 29, 2016, 09:34:33 PM: Since 2008 and the subprim crises we live, all day every day, with this hadith of Abou Hourayra reported by Bukhary! All around the world

Souban Allah! It's not with ""scholar""" as Kulaini that we would have been this outcome!
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 31, 2016, 12:07:41 AM: Imami shia say" How Abou Hourayra can reported things while he was not there?". (for example things during battle of Ouhoud)

But when Abou Hourayra reported that an volcanic eruption will touch El Hijaz. Also he was not there.

The volcanic irruption in hijaz all classic scholars say that happens in 654h but Abou Hourayra dead in 56-59h!

He was able to reported things that happened many centuries after his death but nothing before his conversion.

The logic of Imami !

PS: Apparently He knews things about battle of Ouhoud throug Tufay who was dawsi as him.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on March 31, 2016, 04:12:33 PM: Soubhan Allah.

Look this hadith reported by Abou Hourayra. It's exactly that we live today!

Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws says:

"(...) then after that will come a time when the disbelieving hypocrite, who joins others with Allah, will dispute with the believer, using the same argument as him"

Sanad sahih acording to Al Hakim and Dahabi

Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws says:

"At the end of time, there will be liars and impostors who will bring ahadeeht (narations) that neither you nor your forefathers even heard. Beware of them and stay away from them, and do not them mislead or confuse you "

(reported by Muslim)
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on April 01, 2016, 05:04:52 PM: Salam

Shia claims . "Abou Hourayra was with the messenger saws short time 2 or 3 years"... " he is an half-sahaba"

But all our scholars know, according the hadith of Abou Hourayra about the time, that the time will past more quickly.

In fact we see that if the time past more quickly, even atheist say that is linked with our way of life. modification of our production system, new technologies, the capital labour ratios etc...

In fact our relation with the world of work whitch has changed our relation to the time.

So I have read a great scholar, I have forget his name probalby Ibn Kathir or Ibn Hajar, he says the time in the time of the messenger, tabirine, etc... was very slow.

Acording to him it's the reason why Bukhary had the time for know 600 000 Hadith, and Ahmad 1 billion of Hadith.

In our area it's not possible for have a knowledge as our old scholars

And our scholars say also that if the time is fast in our time it's also because there is no baraka.

SO imagine. In the time of the messenger saws there were Baraka, and the way of life, the production system, technologies are totaly different of our time.

So we can easily say that 2 years with the messenger saws, the equivalent in our area would be 10 years or more.

But when you are an innovator we can't understand that.

Even the materialist point of view stick closely with this explanation... that destroy onnce and for all their argument with materialist and religious arguments

Our religion is complete soubhan Allah!

PS: An "Half- Sahaba" hahaha
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on April 22, 2016, 08:52:21 PM: The Prophet saws Foretold The End Of
The Persian And Roman Empires

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "When Khosrau perishes, there will be no (more) Khosrau after him, and when Caesar perishes, there will be no more Caesar after him. By Him in Whose Hands Muhammad's life is, you will spend the treasures of both of them in Allah's Cause."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3618

Ibn Kathir says

" This truly came to be during the time of the three Caliphs Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman (R.A.). The Muslims conquered the two empires and distributed in charity the wealth of Caesar king of Rome and Khosrau king of Persia. This was a glad tiding to the Muslims, the two empires will never rise again. Thanks to Allah."

In the french translation we have in addition " it's the proof of the lhe legitimacy of the khalifs of Abou Bakr, Umar and Othman because it's during their rules that the wealth of Ceasar and Khosrau was spent by muslims"

see The Miracles of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him by Ibn Kathir
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on April 25, 2016, 05:24:25 PM: Several brothers say me.

" You can't say that the hadith about "talking shoes" is linked with new technologies"

You can see the book of Arifi when he illustrated this hadith with phone number etc... p 209

https://futureislam.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/the-end-of-the-world-major-and-minor-signs-of-the-hour.pdf

I have seen lot of dars by "litteralist" imams and it's an opinion largely shared.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on April 25, 2016, 05:30:56 PM: Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established till my followers copy the deeds of the previous nations and follow them very closely, span by span, and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch)." It was said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Do you mean by those (nations) the Persians and the Romans?" The Prophet said, "Who can it be other than they?"

bukhari.

Romans liked very much used "metaphor"' in their religious interpretation.

Saint augustin the roman christian was the fist who used "metaphor" for explain christianism.

And Saint Augustine has reused the methodology of old greek phylosophe ... Because ancient greek said the mythology is ludicrous so we must used metaphor...

It's like many Muslim who say "Hadith is stupid, no logical etc..." "We must used metaphor"

And 2 century after saint Augustin Muslim they followed ancient greek with Mutazilla...

The real messenger of Mutazzila is not Mohamed saws but Platon and Aristote. And many muslim have confuse Islam and phylosophy....

For the following of Persians we have our shia friends... They have revived Zoroastrianism religion through Shiasm...

Soubhan Allah .

All is exactly like the Hadith of Abou Hourayra! That means if Abou Hourayra had lived during 14 century until today. He would not have be surprised by the case of Oumma.

PS:

Shia has merged Zoroastianism with "Greek Philosophy" ... No link with Islam...
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on April 29, 2016, 12:48:05 AM: Salam Aylikoum.

Some shias claim that Abou Hourayra reported good hadith about Ali only during the life of the messenger (saws) for to be on the good side for political reason.

But Said Ibn Mussayb, the pupil and the son in law of Abou Hourayra, reported hadith about Ali's merits.

And Acording to Ibn Saad, Ibn Mussayb was born 2 years before the Othman khalif...

That means He heard merit of Ali during the end of Othman Khalif at least.

So, someone can provide me proof that Abou Hourayra reported hadith about Ali even during Ommeyades khalifa.

All hadith are here = https://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/part-10-nature-of-relationship-between-ahlebaytra-and-some-other-sahabara/

PS: I have not the time to talk about that but I have seen Abou Hourayra has reported the hadith about the "kingdome scathing" after the khalifa rashidun.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on May 01, 2016, 09:58:22 PM: Shia they are obsessed by the issu of hypocrisys among sahaba.

They claims, "Look Houdeyfa el Yamam told there are hypocryte among muslims"" so All sahaba are hypocryt"

So But according to Muhammad Rasheed Rida

"It was narrated from him that he used to say – concerning some young men of Quraysh who caused corruption in the religious commitment of the Muslims, as it says in the hadith: If I wanted to tell you their names, I would do so. This indicates that he – like Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan – narrated hadiths about fitan (tribulations) and unjust rulers from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), "

Tafseer al-Mannaar (6/390)

In many hadith Abou Hourayra has suggested that concern Banu Ommeya ( see book of fitan in sahih muslim and Bukhari")

And we can see that Abou Hourayra reported LOT OF HADITH about hypocryt Muslim for example this famous hadith about the 3 persons who will fo to the hell in first.

“from Abu Hurayrah, who said, “I heard the Messenger of Allah say, ‘ Verily, the first to be judged on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who had died as a martyr. He will be brought forward. Allah will remind him of the favours He had bestowed upon him and the man will acknowledge them. Then He will ask him: `What did you do to express gratitude for it?’ The man will reply: `I fought for Your Cause till I was martyred.’ Allah will say: `You have lied. You fought so that people might call you courageous; and they have done so.’ Command will then be issued about him and he will be dragged on his face and thrown into Hell. Next a man who had acquired and imparted knowledge and read the Qur’an will be brought forward, Allah will remind him of the favours He had bestowed upon him and the man will acknowledge them. Then He will ask him: `What did you do to express gratitude for it?’ The man will reply: `I acquired knowledge and taught it, and read the Qur’an for Your sake.’ Allah will say to him: `You have lied. You acquired knowledge so that people might call you a learned (man), and you read the Qur’an so that they might call you a reciter, and they have done so.’ Command will then be issued about him, and he will be dragged on his face and thrown into Hell. Next a man whom Allah had made affluent and to whom Allah had given plenty of wealth, will be brought forward, Allah will remind him of the favours He had bestowed upon him and the man will acknowledge them. He will ask him: `What did you do to express gratitude for it?’ The man will reply: `I did not neglect any of the ways You liked wealth to be spend liberally for Your sake’. Allah will say to him: `You have lied. You did it so that people might call you generous, and they have done so.’ Command will then be issued about him and he will be dragged on his face and thrown into Hell.”

I have not find the hadith in entire. I think it's an hadith qudsi

The hadith in entire says " Abou Hourayra fainted 4 times when he has said this hadith And he was alone with the messenger saws when the messenger saws said it to Abou Hourayra

So I think that Abou Hourayra knew the list of hypocrypt like Houdeyfa El Yamam. The messengers saws said the names of hypocryte to Houdayfa and Abou Hourayra surely.

So when shias says "Abou Hourayra was an hypocryte" it's totaly stupide because it's him who knew hypocryte.

It's why Said Ibn Mussayb was against Banu Oummaya.

It's Abou Hourayra who knwes the name of hypocrite . How him can be an hypocrit??? T
he messengers saws give infomation to false muslim???

If Abou Hourayra was an hypocryte, why the messengers gave him this major information?

sorry for my english but all is better explain here https://islamqa.info/en/147659

For sum up, when you study hadith from Abou Hourayra seriously not like shia, you can see many clues witch lead to this advice

Only a false muslim hate Abou Hourayra.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on May 03, 2016, 05:18:03 PM: error
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on May 03, 2016, 05:26:40 PM: Hadith from Abou Hourayra, the real "Nahj Balagha" (The Peak of Eloquence) ?

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with awe (cast into the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping last night, the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me till they were put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) left (this world) and now you people are carrying those treasures from place to place.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6998

According to Ibn Kathir in "miracle of the prophecy"" the eloquence of sunni hadith are the proof that it up to the messenger saws ".

It's particulary true for hadith from Abou Hourayra. Lot of hadith from Abou Hourayra are spectacular espectiaaly When you see that in also 1 hadith Abou Hourayra reported the Mogolian invasion with their conversion to islam, with their physical description in very few words... You can teach many things with this hadith.

Sunni hadith have eloquence but also isnad sahih. Eloquence is not the only proof of authenticity
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on May 05, 2016, 08:43:54 PM: We have an impartial way to analyse the eloquence of hadith from Abou Hourayra.

It's the fact that often in his hadith we find the messengers saws who used words so eloquent so sophisticated that sahaba didn't undestood this term.

And they asked to the messengers saws to define his words.

In hadith about the end of time we find many hadith like that.

For exemple the messenger saws for define the stupid man who will speak he has used a particular word that sahab have not understood at the beginning. then He saws has exlpained.

. It's the same thing when he has explained the fact that anarchy will be very global. His words was very choosen

Or look the hadith About the fact that arabs land was convered by pasture . In 1 sentence he has made the description of the hystory of geologie in arabic peninsula.

Same thing about hadith about Globalisation etc... In three/four words the messengers saws decribe in our hadith incredible things that we live currently!

And I am very impressive by the understanding of our classics scholars espscially Bukhari and Ibn Hajar!. It as if since 1 000 years they knew , they anticipated our present. SoubAn Allah. ( we have also Nawawi who is very strong in this filed.)

So imagine their Knowledge in fiqh, Aqueeda, history, the real way to analyse conflict beetwenn sahaba etc...

now I undestand why the Coran and our hadith say "Scholar are inheritor of messenger" saws.
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on May 07, 2016, 04:59:26 PM: Is there a hadith that speaks of a trade embargo on Iraq, Syria and Egypt?

There is a hadith that speaks of a trade embargo on Iraq, Syria and Egypt. Has that actually happened, or is it what we see happening before our eyes?
Published Date: 2016-01-12

Praise be to Allah

It seems that the hadith referred to in the question is the report narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (2896) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Iraq will withhold its dirhams and qafeez (a measurement of grain), Syria will withhold its mudds and dinars, and Egypt will withhold its irdabb and dinars, and you will return to where you started, you will return to where you started, you will return to where you started.” The flesh and blood of Abu Hurayrah bear witness to that.

Al-Bukhaari (3180) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: How will you be when you are not able to collect any dinars or dirhams? It was said to him: On what basis do you say that will happen, O Abu Hurayrah? He said: By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Abu Hurayrah, (I learned that) from the words of the most truthful one (i.e., the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)). They said: What did he say? He said: “The covenant granted by Allah and His Messenger (to the dhimmis) will be transgressed, so Allah will make the hearts of ahl adh-dhimmah so bold that they will withhold the jizyah they are supposed to pay.”

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There are two views as to what is meant by Iraq and the other regions withholding (money and grains). The first view is that what is meant is that they will become Muslim, so the jizyah will be waived from them, and this is something that already happened.

The second view – which is more well-known – is that what is meant is that the Persians and Romans (Byzantines) will seize control of these lands at the end of time, and they will prevent the Muslims from obtaining these things. A few pages after this, Muslim narrated that Jaabir said: Soon there will not be brought to the people of Iraq any qafeez or dirham. We said: Why is that? He said: Because the non-Arabs will prevent it. And he mentioned how the Romans would do likewise in Syria. This has happened in our own time in Iraq; it is going on right now.

And it was said that it is because they will apostatise at the end of time, so they will withhold what is required from them of zakaah and so on. And it was said that what is meant is that the disbelievers from whom jizyah is required will grow stronger at the end of time, so they will withhold what they used to pay of jizyah, kharaaj and so on.

With regard to the words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), “and you will return to where you started”, this means the same as the other hadith, “Islam began as something strange and will go back to being as it began.” End quote.

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The words “They will withhold what is in their hands” mean: they will refuse to pay the jizyah. Al-Humaydi said: Muslim narrated a similar hadith via another isnaad from Suhayl from his father from Abu Hurayrah, which was attributed to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him): “Iraq will withhold its dirhams and qafeez…” And he quoted the hadith using the past tense, but what is meant is the future, so as to emphasise that it will surely come to pass. Muslim also narrated from Jaabir in a marfoo‘ report: “Soon there will not be brought to the people of Iraq any camels or dirhams. We said: Why is that? He said: Because the non-Arabs will prevent it.” This is one of the signs of Prophethood and is advice to fulfil the covenant with ahl adh-dhimmah, in return for the jizyah that is taken from them, which benefits the Muslims. It is also a warning against mistreating them, and indicates that if that happens, then ahl adh-dhimmah will break the covenant and the Muslims will not be able to collect anything from them, which will cause hardship to the Muslims.

Ibn Hazm stated that some of the Maalikis quoted the words in the hadith of Abu Hurayrah, “Iraq will withhold its dirhams” as evidence that land seized as booty is not to be divided or sold, and that what is meant by withholding is withholding of the kharaaj. But he refuted that by noting that the hadith contains a warning of a bad fate, and that the Muslims will ultimately be deprived of their rights, and this is what happened. End quote.

See: Nayl al-Awtaar by ash-Shawkaani (8/118); an-Nihaayah by Ibn al-Atheer (1/262)

From the above we may conclude that the more likely interpretation of the hadith is that the disbelievers, namely the Romans and Persians, will take authority from the Muslims in these lands, after they had been subject to the Muslims’ authority, and they will withhold its resources and kharaaj from the Muslims. This has happened repeatedly throughout history, the most recent case being the colonisation of these lands and the abolishing of the authority of the Ottoman caliphate over them, and the disbelievers’ domination of their people and resources.

As for the present situation, where the disbelievers are controlling Iraq and have taken over its resources, we cannot be certain that this is exactly what is meant in the hadith, and to state that this is definitely what is meant by the hadith is risky. Many people are hasty in jumping to conclusions with regard to such matters, but it soon becomes clear that they are mistaken and were too audacious regarding this issue.

This does not rule out the idea that such a thing could happen repeatedly, and that the present case is one such instance. In fact they have done something that is even worse than that, by preventing the resources of Iraq from reaching the Muslim lands, then besieging Iraq and its people, preventing goods from reaching them, and preventing them from benefitting from their own resources, until many children died, let alone women and men.

And Allah knows best.

https://islamqa.info/en/128708
Title: Re: Abou Hourayra work of refutation
Post by: scusemyenglish on May 08, 2016, 08:10:16 PM: When I see the hadith of Abou Hourayra and the explanation of Nawawi (about "embargo")

I understand why many people say "Iran trhough Shiam want to recreated the Majous empire" (or persian empire)

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For Persians, Irak, Syria and Egypt it's for Them exactly like for Russia, Ukrain is for them.

In our Books Persians are often in the same way that Jew, christians and westerners...

I wonder if Imran Honsein include that in his own analysis?

I don't talk about the hadith of horn of evil in Irak from Salim ibn Aballah ibn Omar.