Abou Hourayra work of refutation

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Honestly I'am very disappointed . Nobody respond me.




Honestly I Have test this technic against Shias and it very very very effective.

 Shia don't want talk with me, they are afraid  because I show them that Abou Hourayra knew "El GHAIB" (invisible) , grace Messenger( puh), more than all shia's books assembled.



Like you know "EL GHAIB" is very important for Shia. But it's Abou Hourayra and Hudayfa who was especialised of it. not el Kulayni or "their imam".

Why nobody respond?



Without you I could do this refutation, but with your help it will be the ultimate refutation. 

I'm not here to act the clown.

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Hello,

Yesterday I told with Shia.

And He reporte me this hadith.

o people of iraq! you think that i lie upon holy prophet asws so that it gets easy for you; i testify that i heard prophet asws say that when a dog licks a vessel , wash it 7 times
[sahih ibn maja, albani, vol 1, page 129, book of taharat, chapter when dog licks washing the utensil]

I answerded that "People of Irak" it's the same who has killed Ali, and leaved Hussein.

People of Irak are like Son of Israeli . 

People of israel deny, renounced to Moussa and God

People of Irak deny, renounced to Ali, Hussein, Abou Hourayra.

People of Irak renounced, they are rawafid... like rawafid of Moussa people.

We see influence of Ibn Saba on people of Irak.

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Honestly I'am very disappointed . Nobody respond me.




Honestly I Have test this technic against Shias and it very very very effective.

 Shia don't want talk with me, they are afraid  because I show them that Abou Hourayra knew "El GHAIB" (invisible) , grace Messenger( puh), more than all shia's books assembled.



Like you know "EL GHAIB" is very important for Shia. But it's Abou Hourayra and Hudayfa who was especialised of it. not el Kulayni or "their imam".

Why nobody respond?



Without you I could do this refutation, but with your help it will be the ultimate refutation. 

I'm not here to act the clown.

One brother told me that you are very very busy. sorry for my precipitation

[Farid]

I am sorry as well akhi. Sometimes I don't have time to help others because I am doing too many things at once. I am currently writing a book, translating it, and reviewing another one. So please excuse me.

Inshallah other brothers can participate in this discussion.

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Hello ,

If you want see what which give my work of refutation in practice in front of shias.

Look, for example, my public debate with one shia who insult Abou Hourayra in this marroccan forum, very known, infesting of shias (even if i'am algerian lol) .

This technic of refutation it's like free fight  and when i would finish this work it will be largely strongest...

Sorry but the debat is in french.

I'am Doctor Slump.

http://www.yabiladi.com/forum/qu-est-ce-qu-il-avait-dans-huraira-80-7511146-page=1.html

 it's very important, I think seriously shias collapse after that.

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Why Shias regard Abou Hourayra as a real dog??? ( it "funny" for someone who love cats)

Acording to Shias Abou Hourayra it's a dog

But Why??

Abou Hourayra was with the messenger (puh) 4 years but it's not enough for them...

Why?

Because Abou Hourayra was poor and he don't come from a distinguished lineage .

For them, if you are not come from a distinguished trib (like Banu Hisham, Quoraisy etc...) you are a sub-human, a real dog!

Even if you" know" "El Ghaybe" with more of 30 "predictions". you are a sub human because you are not come from the good clan!

If it's not a sectarian reflexion, I don't know what is it!!!!

It's a social and racial discrimination!

It's sum up  shias!!

It's a symbol that the great hadith narator was a poor man who come a low tribe!

Soubh Allah!

PS: if you want, improve this reflexion in good english. and Add this reflexion here--->

http://twelvershia.net/2015/01/11/abu-huraira/

[MuslimK]

Brother,

Are you asking about Kaab alahbaar?

And what do you mean by Abu Hurayra and "El Ghaybe"?

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Hello brother,

What I mean by Abou Hourayra and "El Ghayb"?

For Shia "El Ghayb" (unseen) it"s very important in their aqeeda.

I think we must go in this field...

Because they are no proof that "twelvers" had knowledge about " El Ghayb"

But our Messenger (psl) had kwoledge about "El Ghayb". Knowledge GIVE BY ALLAH OF COURSE.No shirk in my reasoning!

And Abou Hourayra has passed this knowlede with hadith. 

So Abou Hourayra know, for example, in the future there will have geat town, all sign of the end of time.

Read the book of Yusuf al wabyl about that. is full of hadith sahih on the future . (from Abou Hourayra)

It's angle of attack of my refutation.

Now I do a debate with a shia in this web site where Shia says Abou Hourayra is a liar ...

And me I send him "predictions" of Abou Hourayra. Like that there is nothing he can says. Him and all Ibn Mutah of this forum. They are affraid of that!!!!

LOOK. it's at the tenth post. I talk about hadith report by Abou Hourayra about the war with GENGIS KAHN)

http://www.yabiladi.com/forum/qu-est-ce-qu-il-avait-dans-huraira-80-7511146-page=3.html

I'm sure that this Angle of attack will be devastating for them.

Look usuallay, in this forum  sunnis are affraid to talk about Abou Hourayra. They have no big argument...

But now when I test my work of refutation on shias this them who are affraid.
Look nobody respond me. Usually they are very excited to talk on Abou Hourayra.

But here. with my technical. there is nobody...  ibn mutah  are vanished ... 

FEAR HAS CHANGED SIDES!

(sorry it's difficult for me with my english...)

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Brother,

Are you asking about Kaab alahbaar?

Yes Yes Yes, It's very important.

It's a central point, of course.


I will say you things whitch easy to refute for me.

- The hadith with the creation in 6 days withch is from Kaab el Akhbar not the messenger. (it's the point of view of Bukhari) It's easy to refute. Abou Hourayra is not responsible



- The hadith of  bisr ibn sa'id who says thaht one man has switched hadith of messenger with hadith of Kaab el Ahbar.

But this man is not mentionned and we know that  tabirine nears to ABou Hourayra are salih and Known like Munajid, Saib ibn Mussayb, Hammam etc...

According to me Abou Hourara is no responsible of this switch!

all is in this Ibn mutah  web site http://www.islamchiite.fr/2016/01/la-mefiance-envers-les-hadiths-de-abu-hurayra-du-fait-de-l-alteration-entre-sa-parole-et-celle-de-ka-b-al-ahbar.html

Says me what do you think about all this?

So there is also the history that says Kaab el Ahkbar. has killed Omar Ibn khattab, he was the scolar of Mouawiya...

There is also the  story when Ibn Abbas treat Kaab saying "He is a liar"...

I think all it's from of the book of TABARI but i no proof... What do you think???

And Shias says about Hourayra was familiare with kaab. ( For me I can't see the problem because Omar also knew Kaab according the hadith of Hamad when he reports Kaab was on the rock dome, Masjid Al asqa with Omar. ...)

( it's strang to see a jew who want destroye Islam, acording shias; but the same jew built a Masjid on the most holy place for hewish people... Shias are not affraid to contradiction...)

And He knew TORAH. what do you thing about that??

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It's very very important for me because at the end. I want to compare the  so-called jewish influence on sunnis. and the real jewish influence on shias.)

For example if Kaab he want to wash jewish people  why he has no accused Aicha to kil the messenger for wash jewish?

Who curse the mother of Jesus (Maryam) and who curse the mother of believers aicha?  We see the link between SHia and Talmud.

Who wait Dajjal the same meesiah that Jew peaople?? Sunni or chiia. Moroever Abou Hourayra has report Dajjal will appears to IRAN, according to Anas there will have jew people of Iran with  Dajjal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

How Abou Hourayra could know it? That Dajjal will appears in Iran ??

Etc etc...

You see it's not a common refutation.

Help me please, I know I'm irrating but I' m sure of me.

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And I want to know.

What is the real name of Abou Hourayra?

I was thinking it was Abdel rahman.

But I have seen Nawawi he says there is 30 names!

And why there is no "Ibn" before his real name?  I think, it's juste an hypothesie, may be it's because he comes from Yemen? And in Yemen it's not like Mecca or Medina with IBN before the name?

Please respond me about that. 

why Nawawi, Ibn Hajar ( in his book Al-Issabah Fi Tamyize As-Sahabah), A dahabi (Siyar Aâlam An-Noubala) ,  don't know his " real "name?

Barakala ou fikoum.

After that I will show that Many sahaba had KUNYA (nickname) ...

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I am sorry as well akhi. Sometimes I don't have time to help others because I am doing too many things at once. I am currently writing a book, translating it, and reviewing another one. So please excuse me.

Inshallah other brothers can participate in this discussion.

I understand you...

Me too, on average,  I work 2 or 3 hours by day  for this work...

But don't hesitate.

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Hello.

For the Abou hourayra age.

I think it's al Waqidi who says that.

He says Abou Hourayra had more of 30 years when he met the messenger (puh) . Also he says Abou Hourayra is died at 78 years old.

But I Think A dahabi in " Siyar a'lam annubala " . He refutes that. He says he had not 78 years when he deided.

But I don't know If he thought that Abou Hourayra had more of 30 years when he met the messenger (psh)?

Apparently WAQIDI ( Ibn Omar Ibn Waqid) is not reliable.

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Waqidi was facing critics regarding his scholarly reliability from many Islamic scholars,[16] including:

1. al-Shafi’i (d. 204 A.H.) said "All the books of al-Waqidi are lies. In Madinah there were seven men who used to fabricator authorities, one of which was al-Waqidi."

2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241 A.H.) said "He is a liar, makes alternations in the traditions"

3. Al-Nasa’i (d. 303 A.H.) said "The liars known for fabricating the Hadith of the Messenger of Allah are four. They are: Arba’ah b. Abi Yahya in Madinah, al-Waqidi in Baghdad, Muqatil b. Sulayman in Khurasan and Muhammad bin Sa’id in Syria."

4. al-Bukhari (d. 256 A.H.) said "al-Waqidi has been abandoned in Hadith. He fabricates Hadith"

5. Al-Dhahabi (d. 748 A.H.) said "Consensus has taken place on the weakness of al-Waqidi"

6. Yahya ibn Ma'in (d. 233 A.H.) said "He is weak. He is nothing. Not reliable!"

7. Ishaq Ibn Rahwayh (d. 238 A.H.) said "According to my view, he is one of those who fabricate Hadith"

8. Abu Dawood (d. 275 A.H.) said "I do not write his Hadith and I do not report (Hadith) on his authority. I have no doubt that he used to make up Hadith"

9. Abu Hatim Muhammad ibn Idris al-Razi (d. 277 A.H.) said "He fabricates Hadith. We have abandoned his Hadith"

10. Al-Daraqutni (d. 385 A.H.) said "There is weakness in him (in his reporting)"

11. Ali ibn al-Madini (d. 241 A.H.)said "He fabricates Hadith"

12. Ibn ‘Adi (d. 365 A.H.) said "His traditions are not safe and there is danger from him (in accepting his traditions)"

13. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852 A.H.)said "He has been abandoned in spite of vastness of his knowledge"

14. Abu Zur’a al-Razi (d. 264 A.H.) said "(Waqidi's writing) Abandoned, Weak"

15. Al-Nawawi (d. 676 A.H.): said "Their (muhaddithin scholars) consensus is that al-Waqidi is weak"

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But even if . His not reliable about hadith can we learn of him in the field of Biography of sahaba???

Because apparently he was considered like a pillar in history...

I says that for refute the calculutation of Abu Rayya who says Abou Hourayra was more old for meet the messenger!.

Barakala ou fik.

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BARAKALA OU FIKOUM FOR YOURS BOOKS!

I'm going to break for read your books.

 Books are great but HADITH ON THE FUTURE WHITCH COME TRUE OF ABOU HOURAYRA ARE LACKING! 

And all shias  use AHAD HADITH OF ABOU HOURAYRA ABOUT FUTUR for their propaganda!!!!


They love him, but Abou Hourayra belong to us!

I have knocked on the right door! 

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Je m'adresse aux Francophones.

Je pense qu'il est temps de faire connaitre l'ensemble des site de refutation du shiisme . Ainsi que les livres de réfutation concernant Abou Hourayra a l'ensemble des sites francophones au dela de toutes les différences intra sunnites.

Ils pourront ainsi soit les faire connaitre soit les traduire.

Il n'est pas normal de laisser les sunnites francophones dans le désarroi le plus total sur ces questions.

Pour ma part j'ai envoyé des liens aux Havres du savoir . ça serait bien aussi de les envoyer à chiites.fr mais j'arrive pas à le joindre.

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So I read the debate between FARID vs WASIL.

In fact the hadith of creation in 6 day is probably a mistake of tabiin? not à mistake from Abou Hourayra?
Furthermore anyway this hadith is in contradiction with coran...

For to be very complete about this subject . of KAAB.

I read kaab is recognized in shias's hadith?

Then shias introduce KAAB like a SPY.

First page http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-1

second page http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-2

then http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-3

Lot of quote are from BOOK of TABARI...

 KAAB introduce like  a SPY, What do you think?

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Example of "Abou Hourayra's prediction"

"The convergence between markets is a sign of the end of time"

Reported By l'Imam Ahmed, sahih from ABOU Hourayra.

This hadith according to cheikh Al Albani, Ibn Baz is linked with GLOBALIZATION.

When you can see this hadith come true! And Abou Hourayra ALONE reports this fact like that!

he has describe the economic systeme where we live curretly! It' hard to a ""liar"" isn't it?

30 " predictions" are to come ! 

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The" convergence" of european market, asian market and American market! It's hard to a ""liar""" 

You knonw why lot of shias do TADLEED for steal hadith of Abou Hourayra but they don't quote him!

They say for us " Hoooo Abou Hourayra liar tadless monster" but shias in high ball they know Abou Hourayra say true!

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Hello.

I am reading the debat between Farid and one shia.

It's very unbearable to read your contradictor but...

I have seen the shia laugh because Abou Houraya reports 2 hadith when He says " Animals talks".

But We can see that Hadith from Abou Hourayra when he reports " shoes will talk" come true!

"The Hour will not be established until the straps on his sandal (shoe) speak to him, and his thigh informs him of what occurred with his family after he left.”

report By Ahmed Ahmed Shakir says it an anthentic narration.

Look.

Shia still  find hadith of Abou Hourayra ridiculous???[/i]

Mostly, the hadith when Abou Hourayra report WOLF talk is the same when he reports Shoes will talk!!!!!

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I want to specify about the predition on" Shoes will talking" .

This hadiht is reported by Abou Hourayra and Said el Khoudri. both narrations are authentic.

in this book http://www.iqrashop.com/La-fin-du-monde-Les-signes-de-l-Heure-les-signes-mineurs-et-majeurs-avec-illustrations-et-explications-Dr-Muhammad-al-Areefi-Livre-livres-Dogme-Aqida-p18615-.html

Dr Areefee says there is 2 point of view about this hadith. either objets will talking  in the literal sense or acording other scholars it's a reference about new technologie like phone, miniatures technologies etc...

Moreover .  This book of Arrefe was written BEFORE the google invention of talking shoes in 2011. ( I think the book of arreffe was written in 2010)  ...

Once again, It's hard to a ""liar"...  that is enough...

When you see that it 's JUST in the 21the century that we understand hadith reported by Abou Hourayra I understand "rational muslim" like mutazilla who says "Hadith of Abou Hourayra are incredible !!!!!! irrationnall!!!!!"  But in the 21th centuty there are no doubts! khalass We know Abou Hourayra has said truth.

And the" worst" like you see.  he says truth on very secondary issue of the "creed" (sign of end of time is not the main issus in Islam!)  AND he talks about issue very very distant of his time, in the future ... SO  IMAGINE his precision on main issus of Aqueeda very known in his time... It's just... very strong...

Mutazilla must update their data on Abou Hourayra . They have not update their data since 10 century.

I wonder if this hadith of "shoes talking" made laugh shia or mutazilla especcially this hadith are reported in the same hadith of Animal talking. If "Shoes will talking" why Animals in the past are not talk with the messenger(puh)? especially all is in the same hadith .

It remember me the hadith of Jibril who he is come in earth! It's incredible! it's also report by Abou Hourayra !!! But in the same hadith Abou Hourayra talk about GREAT TOWN built by arab people in the end of time . !  it is as if Allah want to certify that this incredible fact are truth!

(one issus is to know if Abou Hourayra was a eyewitness of Jibril visit or not?  it would be a nose-thumbing!)

to meditate...

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Hello,

I have finished to read the debat between Farid and one shia...

http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=14843&page=1

 (if that is all righ for Farid...)

I think it's very interesting because almost all classics are raised by the shia exept Omar who""" strike""" Abou Hourayra  fortunately, I want to say.

If someone want to be useful, I think it will be interesting to sum up all point raised in this debate.  It's will be a good base for neophyte who discover the hate against Abou Hourayra...

That would be a damage to fall all this analysis. I think...

I know, I insist on Abou Hourayra but I think it's a cornerstone between Ahlou Lsouna wal jamara and all others...

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How Abou Hourayra has educated his family?

Like you know hadith reported  by Abou Hourayra on the merits of Ahlou lbayte, Ali, Jaffar, Fatima hussein and Hassan are incalculable...

Then there are many  hadith reported by Abou Hourayra on the future about and against tyranny and  young people of banu ommeya[/color]   ( for exemple, for hadith against Banu Ommeyad . See Sahih Bukhari chapter of Subversions. all will be in my refutation)

So The Abou Hourayra's family has raised in the love of Ahlou Lbayt.

The Proof is Said Ibn Moussayb who has refused to give allegeance to banu ommeya. And He has refused to married his daugher to the khalife Abdelmalik!!! Said Ibn Moussayb is the symbol of the resistance against the banu ommaya tyrrany THANKS TO EDUCTION OF ABOU HOURAYRA!

Above all there is this Dua of Abou Hourayra when he says " I want to die before the khalifa of children". Because like you know Abou Hourayra was a mountain of knowledge. So he knew all the futur!

Said Ibn Moussayb was always with Abou Hourayra. And he is the fruit of the love of Ahlou Lbayt and the proof that Abou Hourayra is dead in the same creed that ALI!

Abou Hourayra has given a wonderful education for his grandson! THE LOVE OF AHLOU LBAYT AND NOTHING OTHER! Abou Hourayra was the first shia! in the best sens of the term!

The life of Saib Ibn Moussayb http://www.islamweb.net/frh/index.php?page=articles&id=176435

I don't know why this argument of Said Ibn Moussayb is never used...