Are Shia non-Muslims?

[Optimus Prime]

Assalāmu `alaikum Warahmatullāhi Wabarakatuh.

I want to see from the outset, I understand this is somewhat of a sensitive topic. We're not here to make takfir on anyone openly, but Alhamdulillah most of us here are under the banner of Ahlus Sunnah. There are different strands however, therefore many of us will have differing views whether we regard Shias as non-Muslims.

What is your position fellow brothers?

If someone willingly embraces the Shia (Twelver edition) faith with conviction, and rejects Ahlus Sunnah, are they potentially a non-Muslim in your view?

[أبو ماريا المرزم]

I personally believe the vast majority of 12vers are apostates, 7ners to be kuffar asli, and Zaydis to be muslim, but mubtadia3

[Optimus Prime]

I personally believe the vast majority of 12vers are apostates, 7ners to be kuffar asli, and Zaydis to be muslim, but mubtadia3

Interesting. Thanks for sharing akhi.

[whoaretheshia]

Well, all i have to say is, i do not believe my creator occupies position, ascends, descends, has two feet which are between the throne and the foot-stool. I do not believe he can be divided by his essence into two hands, eyes, a shin, fingers and two feet, even if we add the clause they are not like ours.

What is interesting is that as a Shia, in the most fundamental aspect in this entire religion, which is the understanding of the attributes of Allah, i have more in common with the orthodox Ahlus-Sunnah ; the Ashari and the Maturidi schools who have refuted the Salafi-Athari aqeedah promoted by TSN.

[Rationalist]

The ones who believe and believed the Quran is incomplete are non-Muslim. If this belief is excluded then they are Muslim.

[Optimus Prime]

ALL Shia sects are kuffaar. All Shias subscribe to such kufr beliefs which are repugnant in the extreme.

There is no religious affinity, no moral affinity and no affinity of any kind whatsoever between Muslims of the Ahlus Sunnah and the Shia kuffaar. Unity with the enemies of the Sahaba is worse than unity with Iblis himself. Unity with human shayaateen who accuse our Spiritual Mother, A'isha of having committed the vilest act of immorality, is a satanic unity which expels one from the fold of Islam.

My advise is not to touch a Shia with a bargepole. Stay very far from these spiritual lepers whose leprosy of kufr is extremely contagious. Shia is a synonym for 'hatred for the Sahib'. Since a fundamental aspect of their belief is to utter litany of curses at those who were dearest to Rasulullah (SAW), it's no wonder Iblis has them by the grapefruits, and dragging them to Jahanam readily.