TwelverShia.net Forum

Are Sunnis Going To Hell?

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Hadrami

Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« on: November 23, 2017, 05:45:58 PM »
Is it far fetched to think that the most likely reason some sunni make takfir on shia is a result of them finding out shia takfir on sunni?

http://www.twelvershia.net/2017/09/03/are-sunnis-going-to-hell/

fgss

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2017, 07:04:54 PM »
This is sadly the official shia position that sunnis are muslims in this world but will not be in hereafter due to their rejection of imamah. If this is the reason then I strongly believe that the blame will be on those 12 imams if they really were divine agents. Because they themselves never did any public announcement so that masses may know who is the divinely appointed imam/guide whom they are supposed to follow. Whats the point of imamah (whose objective is t o lead and guide the ummah) if masses dont know who the imams are.

There is no logic in this.
إِنَّ أَصْدَقَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَأَحْسَنَ الْهَدْىِ هَدْىُ مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرَّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ وَكُلَّ ضَلاَلَةٍ فِي النَّارِ

May Allah guide us to the true teachings of Quran and Sunnah of His beloved Prophet (s.a.w.w). Ameen

whoaretheshia

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 12:47:32 AM »
This is sadly the official shia position that sunnis are muslims in this world but will not be in hereafter due to their rejection of imamah. If this is the reason then I strongly believe that the blame will be on those 12 imams if they really were divine agents. Because they themselves never did any public announcement so that masses may know who is the divinely appointed imam/guide whom they are supposed to follow. Whats the point of imamah (whose objective is t o lead and guide the ummah) if masses dont know who the imams are.

There is no logic in this.

This is not the official Shia position. If you are not aware, i have grandfather who was Sunni who passed away. Many of my relatives are actually Sunni. Our position is that we will pray behind you, it is permissible to marry you, eat your slaughtered meat, and you are considered Muslims. However, in the hereafter anyone who knowingly rejected the true path, not out of confusion or having a distorted picture of it, or perhaps not in the right environment to truly ascertain the truth, but rather rejected it out of arrogance knowing it to be true, or let their arrogance or desires refrain them from accepting it, will be judged in that way.

Our position and tolerance towards Sunni's is far greater than what you find among the Salafi-Athari's and others, who say:

1. Don't pray behind a Shia. 2. Don't marry them 3. Any Shia who believes in official Shia beliefs is not a Muslim.

At least with us, we let Allah be the judge in the day of judgement, and many Sunnis may enter Jannah, if Allah so wills.

Put Sunni's aside, we believe it is possible for non-muslims who never received the truth, or received it in a distorted form, rather than ignoring it our of arrogance or desires, or were influenced by it presented to them in an incorrect way and were convinced it was not correct due to that, to enter Jannah.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2017, 12:48:35 AM by whoaretheshia »
DISCLAIMER: I AM AWAY UNTIL THE START OF THE NEW YEAR, PM ME IF I OWE YOU A REPLY, MAY ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF US, FI AMANILLAH
" O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice.. even if it be against yourselves... So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be jus

Hadrami

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2017, 02:49:43 AM »
At least with us, we let Allah be the judge in the day of judgement, and many Sunnis may enter Jannah, if Allah so wills.
So shia believe that Abu Bakr & Umar the so called two idols of quraish wont go to hell? This typical sugarcoating is one of the reason why i will never want to be a shia. There is too much lying in everything. As for shia praying behind sunni, TS has briefly quote an excellent article about that issue - http://www.twelvershia.net/2013/04/05/shia-praying-in-the-mosques-of-the-muslims-a-sign-of-hope-or-hopelessness/
« Last Edit: November 24, 2017, 02:50:47 AM by Hadrami »

whoaretheshia

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2017, 03:48:33 AM »
At least with us, we let Allah be the judge in the day of judgement, and many Sunnis may enter Jannah, if Allah so wills.

Allah is going to judge them. I don't think there is any point in causing enormous furore. I have not lied and claimed they will enter Jannah. I have spoken the truth: Allah will judge them.

DISCLAIMER: I AM AWAY UNTIL THE START OF THE NEW YEAR, PM ME IF I OWE YOU A REPLY, MAY ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF US, FI AMANILLAH
" O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice.. even if it be against yourselves... So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be jus

Hadrami

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2017, 03:57:02 AM »
At least with us, we let Allah be the judge in the day of judgement, and many Sunnis may enter Jannah, if Allah so wills.

Allah is going to judge them. I don't think there is any point in causing enormous furore. I have not lied and claimed they will enter Jannah. I have spoken the truth: Allah will judge them.


hey, i didnt wrote that. You quoted your own comment. Wow, what a desperate attempt. A shia who claim to believe Abu Bakr & Umar wont go to hell for what they alledgedly did to imam. Wonder how many more lies you have in your website?

fgss

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2017, 09:53:18 AM »
This is sadly the official shia position that sunnis are muslims in this world but will not be in hereafter due to their rejection of imamah. If this is the reason then I strongly believe that the blame will be on those 12 imams if they really were divine agents. Because they themselves never did any public announcement so that masses may know who is the divinely appointed imam/guide whom they are supposed to follow. Whats the point of imamah (whose objective is t o lead and guide the ummah) if masses dont know who the imams are.

There is no logic in this.

This is not the official Shia position. If you are not aware, i have grandfather who was Sunni who passed away. Many of my relatives are actually Sunni. Our position is that we will pray behind you, it is permissible to marry you, eat your slaughtered meat, and you are considered Muslims. However, in the hereafter anyone who knowingly rejected the true path, not out of confusion or having a distorted picture of it, or perhaps not in the right environment to truly ascertain the truth, but rather rejected it out of arrogance knowing it to be true, or let their arrogance or desires refrain them from accepting it, will be judged in that way.

This is exactly what I said.

That they are considered muslims in this world, thus marrying them, eating their food etc is all halal. But in hereafter will not be due to their rejection of imamah. Obviously conditions do apply. Allah swt will judge everyone with full justice.

Again I repeat if this is the main reason for which sunnis will not be considered muslims in hereafter then blame will be on those 12 Imams for sure (if they are really divine agents, if not then they are free) b'coz they themselves never informed public and declared their position as divine agent so that masses may know and follow them. If you think they really did then show us proofs for each single Imam. Otherwise blame will not be on anyone living during time of any imam you consider divine.

http://forum.twelvershia.net/imamah-ghaybah/question-for-shias-did-imam-ali-decare-his-imamah/msg19968/#msg19968

Quote
Our position and tolerance towards Sunni's is far greater than what you find among the Salafi-Athari's and others, who say:

1. Don't pray behind a Shia. 2. Don't marry them 3. Any Shia who believes in official Shia beliefs is not a Muslim.

At least with us, we let Allah be the judge in the day of judgement, and many Sunnis may enter Jannah, if Allah so wills.

Put Sunni's aside, we believe it is possible for non-muslims who never received the truth, or received it in a distorted form, rather than ignoring it our of arrogance or desires, or were influenced by it presented to them in an incorrect way and were convinced it was not correct due to that, to enter Jannah.

Tolerance depends on individual level while extremists are on both sides who say things like this. Some of my cousins are twelvers and some are even married to twelvers. Its not a problem everywhere.
إِنَّ أَصْدَقَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَأَحْسَنَ الْهَدْىِ هَدْىُ مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرَّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ وَكُلَّ ضَلاَلَةٍ فِي النَّارِ

May Allah guide us to the true teachings of Quran and Sunnah of His beloved Prophet (s.a.w.w). Ameen

Hadrami

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2017, 03:01:27 PM »
At least with us, we let Allah be the judge in the day of judgement, and many Sunnis may enter Jannah, if Allah so wills.

Allah is going to judge them. I don't think there is any point in causing enormous furore. I have not lied and claimed they will enter Jannah. I have spoken the truth: Allah will judge them.


So you said you dont believe Abu Bakr & Umar are hellbound. In another thread you said people who deny imamah after clear proof are kuffar. Shia believe they were the main culprit, usurper but here you are lying in public. I didnt know kuffar will go to jannah. Is that a new shia trend? 😆

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2017, 05:01:48 PM »
This article from ts.net exposes the takfiri nature of Shiism. And actually this hatred for Muslims didn't stop here, they have went a step further in selectively accusing Sunnis of nasibism, as per their wishes and desires. And nasibis as kuffar in their view and their blood is halaal for them. This is their reality. They fool the masses in this way.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2017, 10:13:33 AM »
This article from ts.net exposes the takfiri nature of Shiism. And actually this hatred for Muslims didn't stop here, they have went a step further in selectively accusing Sunnis of nasibism, as per their wishes and desires. And nasibis as kuffar in their view and their blood is halaal for them. This is their reality. They fool the masses in this way.

Another jokes comment similar to the ones I have refuted countless on here regarding the Sunni/kafir thing. If you read Shi'a Fiqh books, scholars have replied to this and I have replied to this possibly 82627292 times and all I got in response was proof that people on this website are very ignorant on Shi'a Fiqh.
محور المقاومة والممانعة

Hadrami

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2017, 02:29:34 PM »
....all I got in response was proof that people on this website are very ignorant on Shi'a Fiqh.
nope, unlike majority of sunnis, we are just not ignorant on shia taqiyya 😀

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2017, 02:31:47 PM »
Another jokes comment similar to the ones I have refuted countless on here regarding the Sunni/kafir thing. If you read Shi'a Fiqh books, scholars have replied to this and I have replied to this possibly 82627292 times and all I got in response was proof that people on this website are very ignorant on Shi'a Fiqh.

Here is an article from a Shia website on this issue which deals with the difference of opinion among Shia Scholars, and what was the view of mutaqaddimeen Shia scholars .

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2012/01/status-of-non-shias.html?m=1

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2017, 04:02:08 PM »
Here is an article from a Shia website on this issue which deals with the difference of opinion among Shia Scholars, and what was the view of mutaqaddimeen Shia scholars .

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2012/01/status-of-non-shias.html?m=1

Everyone knows the Shi'a consider the non-Shi'a to be kuffar, the issue is the difference between dhahiri and batini. Some said they are kafir both in batin and dhahir, others said that they are thahiran treated as Muslims.
محور المقاومة والممانعة

Hadrami

Re: Are Sunnis Going To Hell?
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2018, 10:42:12 PM »
Everyone knows the Shi'a consider the non-Shi'a to be kuffar, the issue is the difference between dhahiri and batini. Some said they are kafir both in batin and dhahir, others said that they are thahiran treated as Muslims.
so according to imam, EVERYONE that believe in syaikhain leadership are nawasib and ALL nawasib are not pure as per shia fiqh. I am a nasibi according to you, remember? How can a sunni like me be pure and muslim for you? 😆

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
0 Replies
326 Views
Last post October 30, 2015, 11:22:47 AM
by Abubakar
0 Replies
346 Views
Last post January 20, 2016, 01:19:07 AM
by MuslimK
15 Replies
2236 Views
Last post April 23, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
by Sheikh
2 Replies
189 Views
Last post September 06, 2017, 10:16:24 AM
by MuslimAnswers