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Farid

Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« on: October 04, 2017, 08:54:11 PM »
Alsalam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

As we are all aware, according to Shias, Mu'awiyah is Iblees' second manifestation. However, we also hear that it was Yazeed that was going to destroy Islam if Al-Hussain didn't "sacrifice" himself.

This means that Mu'awiyah was not destructive to Islam. As we all know, Al-Hasan and Al-Hussain lived in his reign for twenty years without attempting to overthrow him. Does this mean that he didn't change the Shari'ah?

Keep in mind that this thread is strictly about Islamic law. It is not about the allegation that he ordered his representatives to curse Ali, which is not even factual (look up Sa'eed bin Al-Aas). Those that want to discuss his cursing of Ali may do so in another thread.

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Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 09:14:14 PM »
Islam means submission to God.  Be sure after Yazeed Umma has submitted to Satan and deceived themselves they submit to God.

The Shariah is the code who comes with? And how does God attempt to guard it and manifest it to humanity?

How was Shariah distorted in the past?

The Muslims authority from being originally on the Mastery of God had changed to that of humans without proof from God and authority from God, and those humans particularly are connected to the legion of Jinn and humans.

The enemies who killed the Prophets in the past, were now ruling humanity.

The course that was supposed to be navigated by God's names through Twelve Successors to the founding Captain (The Prophet) were lead on a course to disaster.

The true recitation of God's book and the command to refer to God and the Messenger for all disputes, it's as if all that didn't matter.

People didn't care if they referred to God and the Messenger, but were now relying on fabrications and distorting the Sunnah of the Prophet.

The justice that was meant to be guided by the way after the Messenger, who were each individually a way making twelve ways, as if all that was not important.

No just after humanity has been sparked life from a chosen one from God, all of sudden they think they don't need God's chosen and can choose their leaders out of their opinions and represent the religion by their judgment little knowledge and much ignorance.

Their hearts were becoming hard, the Sehr on the hearts taking place, and the narrations in line with the Jibt regarding the books of the past, was occuring to Quran.

And yes Shiites are wrong in emphasizing the reason Hussain rose was because Yazeed was a lot worse then Mauwiya or Abu Baker or Umar.

It had nothing to do with that.  He saw people struggling in their souls and their was hope for victory, and so he had wings to fly by to rise for justice, and Imam Hassan only gave that up, because it was sinking ship,  where most were abandoning the Captain and not listening to him, so he saved believers from their deaths even though the terms in the contract were not met in full, and there was still some degree of persecution of believers, it took what otherwise would be their destuction.

And Imam Hussain was betrayed, it's that simple, he had hope...but that hope was crushed, and Ahlulbayt would never get that much hope in victory all the way to last Imam who we wait for victory.

I don't care if the Jinn Worshippers who take refuge in the Jinn - I don't care to the degree of their crimes. It is not the degree of injustice that Imam Hussain rose for and said, wait this is a red line....

Imam Hussain was attempting to bring the nation back on track and course that the Messenger put them on. He was the course and 9 leaders from his offspring were it...

If humans don't come to the aide of the reminder and it's family of time, what will they unite on? What will they rally on?

They will rally on leaders they choose from their desires while their desires and opinions are misguided. 

You see at the end a wrong stance was taken with regard to Syria by the leaders Shiites rally on, and we don't know the extent by which Jinn Worshippers who rule humanity today will manipulate the hate and sedition of people through that.

We need a navigator who sees justice as is, and Quranic is idealist book, it never teaches make do as if God won't help you, make do as if there is no witness and leader from him,  it says the ideal world can come about because God believes in guiding by the truth and is sufficient as a guide through the books he reveals and the leaders he appoints, and calls humans to help the truth and aide it.



Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2017, 09:16:21 PM »
Get to the point already please.

Its like torture reading your posts.

Khaled

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2017, 10:12:54 PM »
What's even more problematic for the 12ers, is that Omar and Othman رضي الله عنهما did WAY more to "change Islam" according to them than Yazeed even had the potential to do.
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Rationalist

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2017, 01:47:45 AM »
If you read the 12er Shia books than Umar is portrayed to be worst than Muawiyah and Yazid.

Farid

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2017, 04:56:59 AM »
Very true brothers. It is even said that Mu'awiyah was a follower of the fiqh of Omar.

Hani

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2017, 05:22:58 AM »
Again no rational answers, what a lame, uninformed and extremist sect this is.

I feel sorry for those born Shia.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2017, 12:26:00 PM »
if he did change it then the biggest blame would be to the previous khalifa who gave hi the power & legitimacy right? Everytime shia try to slander a sahabi always end up like this 😁

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Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2017, 12:49:39 PM »
Every claim of the Shia contradict their other claims. It is a sect of contradictions.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Ijtaba

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2017, 04:23:09 PM »
Alsalam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

As we are all aware, according to Shias, Mu'awiyah is Iblees' second manifestation. However, we also hear that it was Yazeed that was going to destroy Islam if Al-Hussain didn't "sacrifice" himself.

This means that Mu'awiyah was not destructive to Islam. As we all know, Al-Hasan and Al-Hussain lived in his reign for twenty years without attempting to overthrow him. Does this mean that he didn't change the Shari'ah?

Keep in mind that this thread is strictly about Islamic law. It is not about the allegation that he ordered his representatives to curse Ali, which is not even factual (look up Sa'eed bin Al-Aas). Those that want to discuss his cursing of Ali may do so in another thread.

Wa'alaikum salam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

I am not qualified to answer the question, "Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?" because for this I need to research Ahlul Sunnah reports which deems authentic to you where it can be shown whether Mu'awiyah did or did not change the Shari'ah.

But as for now, as per my understanding Mua'wiyah was fallible human and was not fully versed in Islamic knowledge so there are many chances he erred in his Islamic judgments and rulings. Even if he appointed Muftis and Qadhis still the fact remains in his period of ruler-ship there is high possibility of rulings and judgments being given contrary to Shariah because Muftis would give fatwas and Judges would give judgement according to the interests of their Emir i.e. Mua'wiyah.


Hani

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2017, 08:23:50 PM »
Alsalam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

As we are all aware, according to Shias, Mu'awiyah is Iblees' second manifestation. However, we also hear that it was Yazeed that was going to destroy Islam if Al-Hussain didn't "sacrifice" himself.

This means that Mu'awiyah was not destructive to Islam. As we all know, Al-Hasan and Al-Hussain lived in his reign for twenty years without attempting to overthrow him. Does this mean that he didn't change the Shari'ah?

Keep in mind that this thread is strictly about Islamic law. It is not about the allegation that he ordered his representatives to curse Ali, which is not even factual (look up Sa'eed bin Al-Aas). Those that want to discuss his cursing of Ali may do so in another thread.

Wa'alaikum salam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

I am not qualified to answer the question, "Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?" because for this I need to research Ahlul Sunnah reports which deems authentic to you where it can be shown whether Mu'awiyah did or did not change the Shari'ah.

But as for now, as per my understanding Mua'wiyah was fallible human and was not fully versed in Islamic knowledge so there are many chances he erred in his Islamic judgments and rulings. Even if he appointed Muftis and Qadhis still the fact remains in his period of ruler-ship there is high possibility of rulings and judgments being given contrary to Shariah because Muftis would give fatwas and Judges would give judgement according to the interests of their Emir i.e. Mua'wiyah.



Just as a reminder, don't forget that the infallible's (i.e `Ali acc to Shia) governors and judges were also fallible, some erred and others made mistakes, some even turned on him or opposed him on certain things such as Abu Musa and others.

I don't think there's a Caliph on earth that didn't change rulings or alter religious laws, the difference is the intentions and the level of change, many rulings had to be updated with the passing of times to suite different societies and situations.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

iceman

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2017, 11:18:23 PM »
Mu'awiya 'the Hadi' declared Ziyad, the bastard son of Abu Sufiyan as his real brother contradicting the Sharia


Regarding the acts committed by Muawiyah contradicting to the Islamic Shariya, let us begin with his first open violation of Quraninc injunctions by declaring Ziyad, the bastered son of Abu Sufiyan as his real brothther. He did so at the time of appointintg Ziyad. Imam Jalaluddeen Suyuti also acknowledges this in his book 'Al-Debaj ala Muslim' volume 1 page 84:

"When Zyiad was attributed, as Mu'awiya attributed him to his father Abu Sufyan while he (Zyiad) was known as Zyiad bin Abih because his mother had given birth to him on Ubaid's bed, and this was the first Sharia law that was changed in Islam."
Al-Debaj ala Muslim, Volume 1 page 84

Imam Suyuti also records in Tareekh ul Khulafa, page 185:

"Mu'awiya's appointed Ziyad bin Abih and it was the first act that contradicted an order of Rasulullah as al-Thalabi and others narrated it".

We read in Tarikh Kamil Volume 3 page 68:

"They rejected the law of Rasulullah because Rasulullah (s) said that the legitimate child is one born from wedlock"

Allamah Ibn Abdul Barr records in his esteem work 'al-Estidkar' volume 7 page 169:

Saeed bin al-Musayab said: 'The first law of messenger of Allah that was rejected is the case of Ziyad'

Let us also read the views of Imam of Ahle Sunnah Ahmed bin Hanbal:

Ahmad (bin Hanbal) said: 'The first law of the Holy Prophet that was rejected is the case of Ziyad'
Masael Ahmad bin Hanbal, page 89

Let us now cite the words of one of the beloved scholars by Salafies Sheikh Hasan Farhan al-Maliki who was born in 1390 H and graduated from Imam Muhammad bin Saud University in year 1412 H. He records in 'Naho Inqad al-Tarikh' page 31:

"During the reign of Mu'awiya, a group testified that Abu Sufyan confessed that Ziad to be his son, so according to that Mu'awiya attributed him (to Abu Sufyan) and contradicted the correct hadith which is boy belongs to the bed (where he was born), and for the adulterer is the stone! And that was for worldly benefit. Those who condemn Mu'awiya's deed had declared it. And the scholars agreed on the illegality of his attribution to Abu Sufyan, and what happened (of silence) from the scholars during the reign of Bani Umaya was Taqyia."

This action of Mu'awiya contravened the Qur'an, as we raed in Surah Ahzab verses 4-5:

YUSUFALI: Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way.

Call them by (the names of) their fathers: that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if ye know not their father's (names, call them) your Brothers in faith, or your maulas. But there is no blame on you if ye make a mistake therein: (what counts is) the intention of your hearts: and Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

Optimus Prime

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2017, 01:25:01 AM »
Very true brothers. It is even said that Mu'awiyah was a follower of the fiqh of Omar.

Really? Is this from a narration?

Farid

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2017, 04:33:55 AM »
@ iceman:

Mu'awiyah did not legislate that one could attribute people to someone other than their parents.

You see, there is a difference between a ruler dealing with usury himself and him making usury permissible. The same applies to all sins, including fornication, theft, murder, and claiming one as a son of another.

(Keep in mind that there is doubt that Mu'awiyah even did this with Ziyad. See the study of Sh. Khalid al Ghaith in Marwiyaat Khilafat Mu'awiyah.)

Ijtaba

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2017, 03:37:26 PM »
Just as a reminder, don't forget that the infallible's (i.e `Ali acc to Shia) governors and judges were also fallible, some erred and others made mistakes, some even turned on him or opposed him on certain things such as Abu Musa and others.

I don't think there's a Caliph on earth that didn't change rulings or alter religious laws, the difference is the intentions and the level of change, many rulings had to be updated with the passing of times to suite different societies and situations.

True. Imam Ali (a.s) was infallible but he had to deal with fallible people. The thing which we Shias believe is that Imam Ali (a.s) being our Guide (i.e. Imam) would correct us wherever we erred or made mistakes as governors, judges, teachers, business owners etc. You are right in saying some people opposed him and turned against him because there was conflict of interests. A person who is attracted towards dunya and wants to beautify his world and prefers this dunya over Akhirah would naturally oppose a person who calls him towards Akhirah and tells him to abandon his lust for worldly things.

There is a difference between Infallible Caliph and Fallible Caliph.  A Fallible Caliph would change rulings or alter religious laws according to his own understanding by using Qiyas & Ijtihad whereas Infallible Caliph would be helped by ALLAH (SWT) regarding new problems and issues arising as a result of advancement of technologies and other changes due to passing of times.


Hani

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2017, 06:34:21 AM »
That last part you wrote brother Ijtaba is what we call "revelation". That's one of the biggest issues with the Shia theory of leadership, leaders are still connected to the heavens through divine guidance (aka Revelations).
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2017, 12:58:44 PM »
Lol. The Shari'ah was probably changed ever since the khilafa was usurped, but no doubt it was changed when Umar took over. Not when Mu'awiyah took over.

In anyway, I believe there is a notable difference between Mu'awiyah and Yazid. While both of them were evil men according to us Shi'a, at least Mu'awiyah was keeping a public "Islamic" image to an extent. While his son was a public sinner, murderer, and quite honestly a public zindeeq (who the heck enslaves the women of Ahlulbayt and sack the city of Medina, let alone publically slaughters the grandson of the Prophet???).

It would be an insult to dogs to call Yazid a dog.

At least with Mu'awiyah - if he did do those things - he would have to be discreet about it.
محور المقاومة والممانعة

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2017, 11:05:07 AM »
Lol. The Shari'ah was probably changed ever since the khilafa was usurped, but no doubt it was changed when Umar took over. Not when Mu'awiyah took over.

This is one of the oft quoted hadeeth by Shia propagandists. It seems that they don't realize that, what they try to use against Muawiya(ra) and Sunnis, backfires at them at some point of time.

Abi Al-'Aliyah narrated: Abu Zarr said to Yazid bin Abu Sufyan: 'I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: “The first one to change my Sunnah will be a man from Banu Umayyah.”. [AL-AWA'IL BY IBN ABI 'AASIM: 63; DECLARED HASAN BY ALLAMA ALBANI IN SILSILAH AS- SAHEEHA: 1749]

Abubakr(ra) and Umar(ra) both weren't from Bani Umayyah.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2017, 04:22:45 PM »
Lol. The Shari'ah was probably changed ever since the khilafa was usurped, but no doubt it was changed when Umar took over. Not when Mu'awiyah took over.

This is one of the oft quoted hadeeth by Shia propagandists. It seems that they don't realize that, what they try to use against Muawiya(ra) and Sunnis, backfires at them at some point of time.

Abi Al-'Aliyah narrated: Abu Zarr said to Yazid bin Abu Sufyan: 'I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: “The first one to change my Sunnah will be a man from Banu Umayyah.”. [AL-AWA'IL BY IBN ABI 'AASIM: 63; DECLARED HASAN BY ALLAMA ALBANI IN SILSILAH AS- SAHEEHA: 1749]

Abubakr(ra) and Umar(ra) both weren't from Bani Umayyah.

What other Shi'a use as proof is none of my concern.
محور المقاومة والممانعة

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Did Mu'awiyah change the Shari'ah?
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2017, 06:39:51 PM »
Lol. The Shari'ah was probably changed ever since the khilafa was usurped, but no doubt it was changed when Umar took over. Not when Mu'awiyah took over.

This is one of the oft quoted hadeeth by Shia propagandists. It seems that they don't realize that, what they try to use against Muawiya(ra) and Sunnis, backfires at them at some point of time.

Abi Al-'Aliyah narrated: Abu Zarr said to Yazid bin Abu Sufyan: 'I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: “The first one to change my Sunnah will be a man from Banu Umayyah.”. [AL-AWA'IL BY IBN ABI 'AASIM: 63; DECLARED HASAN BY ALLAMA ALBANI IN SILSILAH AS- SAHEEHA: 1749]

Abubakr(ra) and Umar(ra) both weren't from Bani Umayyah.

What other Shi'a use as proof is none of my concern.

Even if you haven't used this hadeeth(and won't dare using it in future InshaAllah), but what your brethren use, actually refutes your argument.

 

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