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Title: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on April 12, 2017, 12:59:42 AM
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: أبو ماريا المرزم on April 12, 2017, 07:31:04 PM
 I cannot wait for the day when the filthy synagogue in Karbala is burned to the ground. And I make dua that when it happens, donkeys and horses will be brought in order for them to defecate in the pathetic excuse for a "masjid".
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: MuslimAnswers on April 13, 2017, 06:41:28 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd6NAl5-DBU

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Supposing the translation to be accurate (it is from our 'friends' at Yasser al-Habib's fellows), and the excerpt is quite short, yet there are a number of things to be seen: For one, is this task not meant to be accomplished when their 'occult Imam' returns so why the exhortation to do it now? Second, if a leading Shia scholar says this, why would the Shias get upset then when people from the other side call for the leveling of the graves in their 'Holy Cities' in Iraq and Iran - not exhuming or mutilating bodies, only leveling, a matter that would require a huge lot of violence to accomplish but not unlike what Khoraaani is calling for? (Note I am not talking about the Fiqh of whether this is what should actually be done, but about the Shias getting upset even though they are saying things like the above).
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: AliTheBalkanic on April 14, 2017, 01:31:15 AM
I cannot wait for the day when the filthy synagogue in Karbala is burned to the ground. And I make dua that when it happens, donkeys and horses will be brought in order for them to defecate in the pathetic excuse for a "masjid".

Brother i do agree that they litterally worship the grave but isnt it a bit much to say that horse should defecate in the place where Sayyidune Hussain (RA) is buried ?
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: zaid_ibn_ali on April 14, 2017, 02:15:52 AM
I cannot wait for the day when the filthy synagogue in Karbala is burned to the ground. And I make dua that when it happens, donkeys and horses will be brought in order for them to defecate in the pathetic excuse for a "masjid".

astaghfirullah

Nasibism in its extreme.

Why would you have so much hate for the pious grandson of the holy prophet SAW???

Repent!!!

This forum has so much useful info mashAllah but its tarnished by certain members who display their nasibi traits towards ahle bayt.
We do not exhagurate the ahle bayt nor do we speak of those pious ones of them with anything other than respect.



Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on April 14, 2017, 02:44:17 AM
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Supposing the translation to be accurate (it is from our 'friends' at Yasser al-Habib's fellows), and the excerpt is quite short, yet there are a number of things to be seen: For one, is this task not meant to be accomplished when their 'occult Imam' returns so why the exhortation to do it now? Second, if a leading Shia scholar says this, why would the Shias get upset then when people from the other side call for the leveling of the graves in their 'Holy Cities' in Iraq and Iran - not exhuming or mutilating bodies, only leveling, a matter that would require a huge lot of violence to accomplish but not unlike what Khoraaani is calling for? (Note I am not talking about the Fiqh of whether this is what should actually be done, but about the Shias getting upset even though they are saying things like the above).

The 12er Shia scholar is warming them up for that time to come. Also, this isn't only the belief of the Shrizaris. Even the unity types expect this event to occur.


https://youtu.be/XbpRVIEVVsU?t=480


Now look how another Qazwinis behaves with the Sunnis.



The above clip is all taqiyyah. This Qazwini above also believes the 2nd killed Fatima.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: MuslimAnswers on April 14, 2017, 06:48:13 PM

The 12er Shia scholar is warming them up for that time to come. Also, this isn't only the belief of the Shrizaris. Even the unity types expect this event to occur.


https://youtu.be/XbpRVIEVVsU?t=480


Now look how another Qazwinis behaves with the Sunnis.



The above clip is all taqiyyah. This Qazwini above also believes the 2nd killed Fatima.


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The first clip seems somewhat a small excerpt in terms of what it is saying, so I am sure "Unity" prone people will make it mean something else. However, at least Qazwini was honest in saying that there are Marjaiyah who do approve of La'n and Sabb to be directed against the Companions.

As you may know my position, I think the La'n and Sabb issue is minor in fact in this context, one has to concentrate on the Islam/Iman of the Companions in question, since for the Twelvers the Sabb/La'n comes as a consequence of the Shia believing that the Sahabah made disbelief of non-ambiguous tenets of faith [i.e. Divine Imamah], and their actions are judged from that basis. Any honest analysis would reveal such to be the case, and I don't think we should waste our time asking if they do La'n of anyone, knowing they deem them to be Kuffar regardless.

Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on April 14, 2017, 07:21:28 PM

The first clip seems somewhat a small excerpt in terms of what it is saying, so I am sure "Unity" prone people will make it mean something else. However, at least Qazwini was honest in saying that there are Marjaiyah who do approve of La'n and Sabb to be directed against the Companions.
Yes the unity people will say unless you believe the 2 are monafiq you have nothing to worry about. On the contrary the clip shows they do hold a belief to remove dead bodies from the graves and give the dead Mortal Kombat fatalities.

Also what about Rajah? 
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: MuslimAnswers on April 15, 2017, 04:54:30 AM
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One additional point about the second video of Mr. Qazwini: The scholars from our Sunni side also seem to let him and the Shia Marjaiyah off the hook extremely easily; basically what Mr. Qazwini was saying was that the La'n and Sabb is there in the Twelver religion, albeit differed upon by their top clerics.

The Sunni side should have retorted along the lines that fine, we are ready to disassociate ourselves from those who allow Sabb and to say that, as per our Fiqhi rules, there are physical and ideological consequences such as punishments, etc. to be meted out, plus other-worldly consequences; is Mr. Qazwini ready to join us in signing a joint declaration exhorting for the worldly punishments to be applied to these Marjaiyah and for a military task force to be set up in order to capture them and bring them to Islamic justice? (I am not certain about the exact language, but it should be taken very seriously, especially when the other side appears to be giving an opening of any sort).
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on April 15, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
I wouldn't want meanless fatwas such as the ones presented by Khamaeni.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: MuslimAnswers on April 15, 2017, 12:01:45 PM
I wouldn't want meanless fatwas such as the ones presented by Khamaeni.

I am sure we Sunnis could do something about this in terms of political or economic pressure, though I am not familiar with politics or military realities. Yet I am sure Khamenei, if he wished, could formally criminalize La'n or Sabb of the Companions and legally prosecute those who do it either in their Holy Cities or wherever else, whether they are clerics or laymen. (Of course, the issue is that this culture of La'n is so ingrained within their religion that uprooting it would require a massive overhaul of their Deen, and this doesn't seem to be on the horizon whatsoever).
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: MuslimAnswers on April 15, 2017, 12:02:16 PM
I wouldn't want meanless fatwas such as the ones presented by Khamaeni.

I am sure we Sunnis could do something about this in terms of political or economic pressure, though I am not familiar with geopolitics or military strategies. Yet I am sure Khamenei, if he wished, could formally criminalize La'n or Sabb of the Companions and legally prosecute those who do it either in their Holy Cities or wherever else, whether they are clerics or laymen. (Of course, the issue is that this culture of La'n and of deeming the Companions as disbelievers is so ingrained within their religion that uprooting it would require a massive overhaul of their Deen and huge social upheaval/violence, and this doesn't seem to be on the horizon whatsoever; so much so even Sunni-majority countries leave the Twelvers to themselves).
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on April 15, 2017, 12:11:03 PM
No need for any of that. If I had power I would give 12er full freedom to curse and send lana since this is a pillar of their sect. On the contrary taqiyyah would be a big concern​ for me.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: MuslimAnswers on April 15, 2017, 07:11:30 PM
No need for any of that. If I had power I would give 12er full freedom to curse and send lana since this is a pillar of their sect. On the contrary taqiyyah would be a big concern​ for me.

I was mostly referring to the ability for the Khameneist regime to enforce their views, which is something they already engage in anyway, so this would be in the pattern they already operate within. Concerning what we Sunnis in our own lands should do, this is a topic for our scholars to consider after going through the entirety of the Twelvers' current operational structure, though definitely all stripes of Sunnis (or those who call themselves Sunnis, no need for deep argument about that) have quite a lot to say about those who vilify the Companions with Kufr and what is entailed by that.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on April 15, 2017, 07:23:45 PM


I was mostly referring to the ability for the Khameneist regime to enforce their views, which is something they already engage in anyway, so this would be in the pattern they already operate within.
Its useless. Iranian 12ers even with the fatwa for the companions can still blame Umar for the death of Fatima. Khamenei is such a coward that he would not  even allow a Sunni mosque to be build in Tehran. Even Nakshawani when he is aware that Sunnis in Iraq are being oppressed instead of listening he says they need to shut up.





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Concerning what we Sunnis in our own lands should do, this is a topic for our scholars to consider after going through the entirety of the Twelvers' current operational structure, though definitely all stripes of Sunnis (or those who call themselves Sunnis, no need for deep argument about that) have quite a lot to say about those who vilify the Companions with Kufr and what is entailed by that.

Whatever we do its not going to work. The 12ers are like the Khawarij. The Khawarij hated Ali, and the 12ers hate Abi Bakr and Umar.

Did you see how Qazwini pulled a taqiyyah and managed to slip himself through. That's what the 12er Shia are going to do when anyone tries to corner them on the issue.

Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Zlatan Ibrahimovic on April 19, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
I cannot wait for the day when the filthy synagogue in Karbala is burned to the ground. And I make dua that when it happens, donkeys and horses will be brought in order for them to defecate in the pathetic excuse for a "masjid".

Yea, first of all it's not a synagogue. It's a masjid. Second of all that won't happen, because Allah will protect it. Third of all, donkeys and horses defecating next to the grave of the grandson of the Prophet? Doesn't sound good does it?
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Sheikh on April 29, 2017, 02:55:36 AM
Brother i do agree that they litterally worship the grave but isnt it a bit much to say that horse should defecate in the place where Sayyidune Hussain (RA) is buried ?


What were Al-Lat and Al-Uzzah other than righteous people/saints that the common folk turned into gods?  And yet their idols were destroyed even though they themselves probably did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: zaid_ibn_ali on April 29, 2017, 03:12:52 PM
Tombs should be levelled to the ground as per the orders of Ameerulmumineen Ali ibn Abu Talib.

In regards to wishing such disgusting things upon the burial site of husayn ibn ali, how would you like your parents or childrens grave to be treated in such a way?
Think before you write.

Going back to the topic, Amirulmumineen Abu Bakr was the beloved companion of the holy prophet SAW in his life time till death & also his companion in the afterlife. Regardless of what any shia wishes.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Hadrami on April 30, 2017, 10:40:07 AM
Tombs should be levelled to the ground as per the orders of Ameerulmumineen Ali ibn Abu Talib.

In regards to wishing such disgusting things upon the burial site of husayn ibn ali, how would you like your parents or childrens grave to be treated in such a way?
Think before you write.

Going back to the topic, Amirulmumineen Abu Bakr was the beloved companion of the holy prophet SAW in his life time till death & also his companion in the afterlife. Regardless of what any shia wishes.

I doubt any sane sunni would defecate anyone's grave, not too mention Husein ra grave. I have never heard sunni defecate or dig up bodies from grave. As for shia digging up sunni grave & defecate on it, you only have to read what shia safavid king, Ismail 1 did to imam abu Hanifah's grave
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: muslim720 on May 01, 2017, 04:55:07 AM
I cannot wait for the day when the filthy synagogue in Karbala is burned to the ground. And I make dua that when it happens, donkeys and horses will be brought in order for them to defecate in the pathetic excuse for a "masjid".

What you have posted is your own belief and I pray to Allah (swt) that you do not use the beliefs of ASWJ to substantiate your twisted, perverted, worth-condemning and abhorrent belief.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: MuslimAnswers on May 01, 2017, 08:59:59 AM
I cannot wait for the day when the filthy synagogue in Karbala is burned to the ground. And I make dua that when it happens, donkeys and horses will be brought in order for them to defecate in the pathetic excuse for a "masjid".

What you have posted is your own belief and I pray to Allah (swt) that you do not use the beliefs of ASWJ to substantiate your twisted, perverted, worth-condemning and abhorrent belief.

It is better we stick to the original topic of discussion, which is grave in its own right.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: fgss on May 02, 2017, 07:51:02 AM
21. Will The Mahdi Burn Or Crucify Abu Bakr And ‘Umar?
https://www.al-islam.org/imam-al-mahdi-twelfth-khalifah-sahih-sunni-ahadith-toyib-olawuyi/21-will-mahdi-burn-or-crucify-abu#fref_e5a6d238_22


We have examined the riwayat which are normally quoted as “proof” that Imam al-Mahdi will exhume the two Sunni caliphs and burn or crucify them. All the reports are dha’if, and most of them are very unreliable. There are nine reports:

a) The first hadith is dha’if: Imam al-Mahdi will resurrect them both and then burn them only, without crucifying them at all.

b) The second hadith is dha’if: Imam al-Mahdi will resurrect them both and will then burn them with the same firewood which they had allegedly gathered to burn the Ahl al-Bayt, without crucifying them.

c) The third hadith is mawdhu’ (a fabrication) due to Ahmad b. Hilal: Imam al-Mahdi will only exhume their corpses and will NOT resurrect them, and he will burn them both.

d) The fourth hadith is dha’if: Imam al-Mahdi will only exhume their corpses and will NOT resurrect them, and will burn them both.

e) The fifth hadith is dha’if: It mentions absolutely nothing about Imam al-Mahdi or his alleged exhumation/resurrection/cremation of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar. So, it is grossly irrelevant.

f) The sixth hadith is dha’if jiddan: Imam al-Mahdi will only exhume their corpses and will NOT resurrect them, and will only crucify them on two pieces of wood (and not trees) and will NOT burn them.

g) The seventh hadith is also dha’if jiddan: It mentions absolutely nothing about Imam al-Mahdi or his alleged exhumation/resurrection/cremation of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar. So, it is grossly irrelevant as well.

h) The eighth hadith is dha’if: Imam al-Mahdi will only exhume their corpses and will NOT resurrect them, and will crucify them, and then burn them.

i) The ninth hadith is mawdhu’: It contradicts itself on the exact timing of the alleged exhumation. It also claims that Imam al-Mahdi will crucify the duo on a tree (not on two pieces of wood), and will then burn them with a fire from the earth and the tree on which they will be crucified (and not with the wood which they had allegedly gathered to burn the Ahl al-Bayt).

Two of them are completely irrelevant. Therefore, we are left with seven reports. Two of those are also mawdhu’. That leaves five. Of those five, four are dha’if, and one is dha’if jiddan. So, we are left with the four dha’if reports. The four dha’ifah also contradict one another on whether the Qaim will resurrect the two caliphs or not, and on whether he will crucify them or not.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on May 02, 2017, 08:42:22 PM
Refer to reply number 5. There are scholars that still support this view regarless of it being weak.

Also is raja weak, because that too supports this view.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: fgss on May 03, 2017, 08:11:14 AM
You are right. But not all of their scholars are on same page. In many issues modern twelver scholars differ with their classic ones.

And not only this one but they are also following many other weak and fabricated stuff Like attack on sayeda s.a, book of sulaim etc.

And thia is all due to their immense hatred towards the rightly guided caliphs.

Those having this view will surely be on the opposite side of Imam Mahdi a.s  and will refuse to accept/obey him as the mahdi.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: omar111 on May 03, 2017, 11:08:50 AM
What about these Ahadith about the 12th digging and burning sheikhen?


حدثنا محمد بن إبراهيم بن اسحاق الطالقاني قال: حدثنا محمد بن همام قال: حدثنا أحمد بن بندار (1) قال: حدثنا أحمد بن هلال عن محمد بن أبي عمير عن المفضل بن عمر عن الصادق جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه عن آبائه عن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله: ... وهذا القائم الذي يحل حلالى ويحرم حرامى وبه انتقم من اعدائي وهو راحه لاوليائي وهو الذي يشفى قلوب شيعتك من الظالمين والجاحدين والكافرين فيخرج اللات والعزى طريين فيحرقهما فلفتنه الناس بهما يومئذ اشد من فتنه العجل والسامري
عیون الاخبار ج2 ص 59
کمال الدین للصدوق ص 252


435 / 39 - وبهذا الاسناد عن أبي عبد الله جعفر بن محمد ، قال : حدثنا محمد ابن حمران المدائني ( 3 ) ، عن علي بن أسباط ، عن الحسن بن بشير ، عن أبي الجارود ، عن أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) ، قال : ... ثم يخرج الأزرق وزريق غضين طريين ، يكلمهما فيجيبانه ، فيرتاب عند ذلك المبطلون ، فيقولون : يكلم الموتى ؟ ! فيقتل منهم خمسمائة مرتاب في جوف المسجد ، ثم يحرقهما بالحطب الذي جمعاه ليحرقا به عليا وفاطمة والحسن والحسين ( عليهم السلام ) ،وذلك الحطب عندنا نتوارثه ،
دلائل الإمامة ص 456

198 - ومن كتاب الفضل بن شاذان رفعه ، عن سعد ، 200 - وباسناده إلى بشير النبال ، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال : هل تدري أول ما يبدء به القائم عليه السلام ؟ قلت : لا ، قال : يخرج هذين رطبين غضين فيحرقهما ويذريهما في الريح ،
201 - وباسناده ، عن إسحاق بن عمار ، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال : إذا قدم القائم عليه السلام وثب أن يكسر الحائط الذي على القبر فيبعث الله تعالى ريحا شديدة وصواعق ورعودا حتى يقول الناس : إنما ذا لذا ، فيتفرق أصحابه عنه حتى لا يبقى معه أحد ، فيأخذ المعول بيده ، فيكون أول من يضرب بالمعول ثم يرجع إليه أصحابه إذا رأوه يضرب المعول بيده ، فيكون ذلك اليوم فضل بعضهم على بعض بقدر سبقهم إليه ، فيهدمون الحائط ثم يخرجهما غضين رطبين فيلعنهما ويتبرأ منهما ويصلبهما ثم ينزلهما ويحرقهما ثم يذريهما في الريح .
بحار الانوار ج52 ص 386

وروى أبو عبد الله محمد بن سهل الجلودي، قال: حدثنا أبو الخير أحمد بن محمد بن جعفر الطائي الكوفي في مسجد أبي إبراهيم موسى بن جعفر (عليه السلام)، قال: حدثنا محمد بن الحسن بن يحيى الحارثي، قال: حدثنا علي بن إبراهيم بن مهزيار الأهوازي، عن صاحب الزمان قال:... وأجئ إلى يثرب فأهدم الحجرة، وأخرج من بها وهما طريان، فآمر بهما تجاه البقيع، وآمر بخشبتين يصلبان عليهما، فتورق من تحتهما، فيفتتن الناس بهما أشد من الفتنة الأولى، فينادي مناد من السماء: "يا سماء أبيدي، ويا أرض خذي" فيومئذ لا يبقى على وجه الأرض إلا مؤمن قد أخلص قلبه للإيمان.
دلائل الامامة - محمد بن جرير الطبري ( الشيعي): ص539 – 542


روى أبو الصخر عن أبيه عن جده انه كان مع الباقر ... فقال نعم يا بن العم إذا كان في كل موسم يخرج الله الفاسقين الناكثين غضين طريين فيصلبان هاهنا لا يراهما أحدا الا الامام فرميت الأول ثنتين والثاني ثلاث لأنه اكفر وأظهر لعداوتنا والأول أدهى وأمر .
مختصر بصائر الدرجات للحلي ص 111
 And
 و أخبرني أبو الحسن محمد بن هارون بن موسى قال حدثنا أبي قال أخبرني أبو جعفر محمد بن أحمد بن الوليد قال حدثنا محمد بن أحمد بن أبي عبد الله البرقي قال حدثنا زكريا بن آدم قال إني لعند الرضا إذ جي‏ء بأبي جعفر له و سنه أقل من أربع فضرب بيده إلى الأرض و رفع رأسه إلى السماء و هو يفكر فقال له الرضا بنفسي أنت لم طال فكرك فقال فيما صنع بأمي فاطمة أم و الله لأخرجنهما ثم لأحرقنهما ثم لأذرينهما ثم لأنسفهما في اليم نسفا فاستدناه و قبل ما بين عينيه ثم قال أنت لها يعني الإمامة
"Once I was with Imam Reza (as) that Aba Jafar Imam Muhammad Taqi (as) came. His (as) age was less that 4 years. He (as) struck his hands on the ground and raised his head towards the sky and thought for long."

Then Imam Reza (as) said, "By my self, What are you thinking for so long?"

Imam Taqi (as) said, "I am thinking regarding my (grand) mother Fatema (sa). By Allah (swt), I want to remove those two (abu bakr and umar), burn those two and blow away their remains in the sea."

Imam Reza (as) then kissed him between his eyes (on the forehead) and said, "My father and mother be sacrificed for you. For you is the Imamate."

[Source: Bihar al Anwar vol.50 pg.59 / Dalail Al Imamah Pg.212]

 Even if you render every sanad weak, there is still Tawaatur e Manawi with so many chains. And can you elaborate as to why eminent Shia scholars like Mufeed and toosi, included these narrations in their books (not the hadith books)?
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: fgss on May 03, 2017, 02:04:12 PM
I am not defending them. I just shared what al-islam.org has said. But its true not all of their scholar consider such reports as weak.

You should visit that link to confirm the narrations you shared.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on May 03, 2017, 03:20:25 PM
You are right. But not all of their scholars are on same page. In many issues modern twelver scholars differ with their classic ones.

And not only this one but they are also following many other weak and fabricated stuff Like attack on sayeda s.a, book of sulaim etc.

And thia is all due to their immense hatred towards the rightly guided caliphs.

Those having this view will surely be on the opposite side of Imam Mahdi a.s  and will refuse to accept/obey him as the mahdi.

There is a difference between a scholar and a preacher. When they have to run a mosque and if a weak narration can increase the khumms they will use it. The minute one says its weak, that mosque will go bankrupt.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Rationalist on May 03, 2017, 03:23:29 PM


Those having this view will surely be on the opposite side of Imam Mahdi a.s  and will refuse to accept/obey him as the mahdi.

That's because the weak narrations make the 12th imam a superhuman. When the masses who were sold on this idea see that this is far from reality, they will begin to disobey the Mahdi.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Ebn Hussein on May 04, 2017, 05:35:52 AM
I cannot wait for the day when the filthy synagogue in Karbala is burned to the ground. And I make dua that when it happens, donkeys and horses will be brought in order for them to defecate in the pathetic excuse for a "masjid".

أعوذ بالله

The only excuse for you I can see is that like some Muslims you do not hold the view that Al-Hussein رضوان الله عليه is buried in that filthy city of cockroach and reptile like crawling mushrikeen, in that case I agree with you, let's bulldoze that cesspool. However, our master Al-Hussein was killed in Karbala so nobody will disrespect his grave, all we want to see is what he and his father himself would have done i.e. to level it to the ground.

Your hatred for the Rawafid Mushrikeen shouldn't lead you to utter words that can drag you deep into the hellfire.
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Zlatan Ibrahimovic on May 06, 2017, 06:23:47 AM
Hahahahahaha ^^^^ infighting  8)
Title: Re: DIG UP THE GRAVES OF ABU BAKR AND UMAR - Grand Ayatollah Khorasani
Post by: Hadrami on May 06, 2017, 09:14:45 AM
Hahahahahaha ^^^^ infighting  8)

because we cant stand people who want to dig up other people body from their graves unlike your shia scholars who promote such things and even praised shia leaders who did such things to imam abu hanifa