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Title: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: whoaretheshia on June 13, 2019, 01:44:10 AM
Hani declared himself to be part Mutazili in Aqeedah. I understand Farid and the others on here are very focused on attacking Shia Islam, but are they so biased they will take on board someone who according to their own scholars is an innovator in Aqeedah ?

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1. According to Farid and his scholars, your chief writer would not be classed as part of the Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah

2. Taking knowledge from him would be discouraged

3. In certain instances, some scholars would even question if he was a Muslim depending on his particular beliefs.


My question to you is, if you are sincere in fighting for truth, why is your chief writer a deviant in Aqeedah, and not a Sunni by your own standards?  How do you trust the judgement of someone you claim has erred on the greatest issue when it comes to representing you fairly on other perhaps important but less important issues?
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 13, 2019, 01:51:54 AM
Wow. This definitely is a surprise. As for the truth is concerned, these gents have never been interested in the truth. There more interested in painting a bad picture about Shiaism and misrepresenting the Shia faith and community. Do you see any fairness in them towards us or any honesty towards the truth.
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: whoaretheshia on June 13, 2019, 02:05:19 AM
Wow. This definitely is a surprise. As for the truth is concerned, these gents have never been interested in the truth. There more interested in painting a bad picture about Shiaism and misrepresenting the Shia faith and community. Do you see any fairness in them towards us or any honesty towards the truth.

I take a balanced view on this. I do feel for many people on here, there may be an element of sincerity and perhaps forming a view based on a very complex and broad factors, such as the information or methodology they are exposed to, and misconceptions or even beliefs that they find averse based on their understanding and clinging to their methodology.
The articles on here are generally well-written, but they effectively distort and use any attempt - though i don't claim intentionally - to turn away from what is truth.

The most important thing we need to sit and wait for here is for the Salafi users to duly call Hani out on this, and question why they are being represented by a man they themselves consider an innovator, a deviant, and not even a Sunni.

If you read Hani's articles, he is an intelligent individual, but it becomes obvious he takes his own subjective views and whims above what is even fair. He decides how to play with the rules, what interpretations to give, and so he is neither here nor there, but borrows from everywhere inconsistently; it is a reflection of the fact he merely opines, and does so by his own standards; he doesn't represent Sunni standards.
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Muslimah on June 13, 2019, 12:43:49 PM
Wow. This definitely is a surprise. As for the truth is concerned, these gents have never been interested in the truth. There more interested in painting a bad picture about Shiaism and misrepresenting the Shia faith and community. Do you see any fairness in them towards us or any honesty towards the truth.
They are fair. You’re still here and making posts freely try this @shiachat and you’ll get banned quickly.
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Muslimah on June 13, 2019, 12:45:49 PM
I take a balanced view on this. I do feel for many people on here, there may be an element of sincerity and perhaps forming a view based on a very complex and broad factors, such as the information or methodology they are exposed to, and misconceptions or even beliefs that they find averse based on their understanding and clinging to their methodology.
The articles on here are generally well-written, but they effectively distort and use any attempt - though i don't claim intentionally - to turn away from what is truth.

The most important thing we need to sit and wait for here is for the Salafi users to duly call Hani out on this, and question why they are being represented by a man they themselves consider an innovator, a deviant, and not even a Sunni.

If you read Hani's articles, he is an intelligent individual, but it becomes obvious he takes his own subjective views and whims above what is even fair. He decides how to play with the rules, what interpretations to give, and so he is neither here nor there, but borrows from everywhere inconsistently; it is a reflection of the fact he merely opines, and does so by his own standards; he doesn't represent Sunni standards.
You were exposed and refuted. What brings you back? Can you refute tsn now?
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 13, 2019, 02:06:58 PM
Wow. This definitely is a surprise. As for the truth is concerned, these gents have never been interested in the truth. There more interested in painting a bad picture about Shiaism and misrepresenting the Shia faith and community. Do you see any fairness in them towards us or any honesty towards the truth.

Says the hypocrite using lies as truth....”Umar said don’t listen to him”, when confronted doesn’t even apologise instead keeps on lying more and more.

Shias are a sect that has NO roots in Quran or sunnah, just jibberish made up that doesn’t make sense hence the lies being made to prop up their fairytales.

Shiism is a made up belief that’s why only the weak minded the inarticulate or in iceman case the DUMB can only follow such a sect.

😂
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 13, 2019, 06:52:27 PM
I take a balanced view on this. I do feel for many people on here, there may be an element of sincerity and perhaps forming a view based on a very complex and broad factors, such as the information or methodology they are exposed to, and misconceptions or even beliefs that they find averse based on their understanding and clinging to their methodology.
The articles on here are generally well-written, but they effectively distort and use any attempt - though i don't claim intentionally - to turn away from what is truth.

The most important thing we need to sit and wait for here is for the Salafi users to duly call Hani out on this, and question why they are being represented by a man they themselves consider an innovator, a deviant, and not even a Sunni.

If you read Hani's articles, he is an intelligent individual, but it becomes obvious he takes his own subjective views and whims above what is even fair. He decides how to play with the rules, what interpretations to give, and so he is neither here nor there, but borrows from everywhere inconsistently; it is a reflection of the fact he merely opines, and does so by his own standards; he doesn't represent Sunni standards.

Very well said. Nicely put forward. Waiting to see what they have to say on this. It's nice of you to mention this and put it forward.
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 13, 2019, 06:53:39 PM
Says the hypocrite using lies as truth....”Umar said don’t listen to him”, when confronted doesn’t even apologise instead keeps on lying more and more.

Shias are a sect that has NO roots in Quran or sunnah, just jibberish made up that doesn’t make sense hence the lies being made to prop up their fairytales.

Shiism is a made up belief that’s why only the weak minded the inarticulate or in iceman case the DUMB can only follow such a sect.

😂

Just keep your nose out of this please. And try not to derail this thread. 😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 13, 2019, 08:48:07 PM
Just keep your nose out of this please. And try not to derail this thread. 😊

Awww you got OWNED when I told you to prove what you posted.
You got owned when I showed you Iran helping Taliban.
You get owned by other poster in here.😂

You talk about truth but in reality it’s BS that comes out of your mouth.

Only stating facts 😂👍
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 13, 2019, 10:44:59 PM
Awww you got OWNED when I told you to prove what you posted.
You got owned when I showed you Iran helping Taliban.
You get owned by other poster in here.😂

You talk about truth but in reality it’s BS that comes out of your mouth.

Only stating facts 😂👍

You and facts are two totally separate things. You're just an entertainer, a sidekick that the mods and admins have let loose on this site just to keep the points up. They don't have any literate individuals who think rationally and discuss academically. That's why a few ...... like you are let loose on this site to make it look good. 😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 13, 2019, 11:34:51 PM
You and facts are two totally separate things. You're just an entertainer, a sidekick that the mods and admins have let loose on this site just to keep the points up. They don't have any literate individuals who think rationally and discuss academically. That's why a few ...... like you are let loose on this site to make it look good. 😊

Lol academically?? You have a very low IQ as well as memory like a fish........you couldn’t provide proof of authenticity of “Umar said don’t listen to him” you RAN away and started other subjects, then when I posted you truths of how Iran helps Taliban thereby SHATTERING your dreams (sorry).......you come back with the above tripe😂😂😂 is that a cry for help? You don’t like truth being told to you? I bet it’s a case of let’s brush them all with the same brush hence why you are really a LONER with no friends at all but just your big, mighty.......EGO😂😂😂👍

Boo hoo hoo please any Shias out there help iceman he is being picked on by unintelligent Sunnis 😭😭😭😭😭

I’ve said it before and I will again you are a laugh and you have entertained me on this website since you came with you blabbering nonsense.😜😜👍

I bet millions of others who just brush by this site will see your posts too Alhamdulillah they will also be creasing at your responses too😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 14, 2019, 12:05:25 AM
Lol academically?? You have a very low IQ as well as memory like a fish........you couldn’t provide proof of authenticity of “Umar said don’t listen to him” you RAN away and started other subjects, then when I posted you truths of how Iran helps Taliban thereby SHATTERING your dreams (sorry).......you come back with the above tripe😂😂😂 is that a cry for help? You don’t like truth being told to you? I bet it’s a case of let’s brush them all with the same brush hence why you are really a LONER with no friends at all but just your big, mighty.......EGO😂😂😂👍

Boo hoo hoo please any Shias out there help iceman he is being picked on by unintelligent Sunnis 😭😭😭😭😭

I’ve said it before and I will again you are a laugh and you have entertained me on this website since you came with you blabbering nonsense.😜😜👍

I bet millions of others who just brush by this site will see your posts too Alhamdulillah they will also be creasing at your responses too😊

😊 Pardon me for bursting your bubble, stick to the thread and what is being discussed. What's your thoughts on Hani and the new information that's come to light. 😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 14, 2019, 01:40:22 PM
😊 Pardon me for bursting your bubble, stick to the thread and what is being discussed. What's your thoughts on Hani and the new information that's come to light. 😊

Lol it’s stick to the thread now? A post ago you posted as if you was being picked on I wonder who really does stick to the points.

You got busted with facts about Iran and you couldn’t answer same with Umar ra you couldn’t answer and now YOU want me to stick to threads????

You are a clown 🤡 of shiism who deserves responses like this coz academically you are void of any integrity to stick to any point.😂

I wouldn’t do the same with any other shia in here or anywhere else........only to you coz you are a joke.😂😂😂

Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mustafa on June 14, 2019, 07:09:40 PM
It seems like Hani is someone that doesn't ascribe to one thing but takes a few things from the 4 Aqeedah schools (Ashari, Maturidi, Athari, Mu'tazili). He even says in the same post that he agrees with Ahl al Hadith on a lot of points. You cannot really pinpoint what he is and this is why I'm not going to label him as a Mu'tazili.

1. According to Farid and his scholars, your chief writer would not be classed as part of the Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah

2. Taking knowledge from him would be discouraged

3. In certain instances, some scholars would even question if he was a Muslim depending on his particular beliefs.



1. We don't even know what he believes in, which group or belief of the Mu'tazila does he subscribe to? Because the Mu'tazila are not just one group with the same exact beliefs, and supposing they were we would need to know what  Hani subscribes to because he clearly says that he agrees with the beliefs of Ahl al Hadith as well.

2. There are situations where it can be permissible to take knowledge from Ahl al Bidah. Islamqa.info, the most known Salafi/Najdi website out there, stated that taking knowledge that wouldn't teach you Bidah can be permissible based on a few circumstances. They mentioned the Arabic language, Quranic Tajweed and Fiqh as things that would be okay to learn under people of innovation. Nobody here is taking Aqeedah lessons from Hani and all he has ever done is show the correct history of the Sahaba and the wars that occurred, as well as a few things against the Shi'i sect.

Plus, Muslims in the west go to Universities and are taught by non Muslims, possibly atheists, all the time. We work with non Muslims and we are bossed by non Muslims, etc. How come this is okay but taking a few historical lessons from a Muslim that is just a bit confused in Aqeedah is not okay? That being said, nobody is taking knowledge from Hani, we take knowledge from the scholars which is what Farid does. Since you know, this is how it has always been..

Link: https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/223300/%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%B0-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%85-%D8%B9%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%AA%D8%AF%D8%B9

3. Not worth addressing.

Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 14, 2019, 08:43:18 PM
Lol it’s stick to the thread now? A post ago you posted as if you was being picked on I wonder who really does stick to the points.

You got busted with facts about Iran and you couldn’t answer same with Umar ra you couldn’t answer and now YOU want me to stick to threads????

You are a clown 🤡 of shiism who deserves responses like this coz academically you are void of any integrity to stick to any point.😂

I wouldn’t do the same with any other shia in here or anywhere else........only to you coz you are a joke.😂😂😂

😊 I know you're trying your best to derail the thread and subject. That's what you always seem to do. Try sticking to the thread and what is being discussed 😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 14, 2019, 10:25:03 PM
😊 I know you're trying your best to derail the thread and subject. That's what you always seem to do. Try sticking to the thread and what is being discussed 😊


You know you are a LIAR and I’m only sticking to that subject be it on any thread😜
You got owned and realised the truth and somehow within that confusion you called your own 12th a coward to another poster😂😂

🤡🤡
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 14, 2019, 10:35:13 PM
You know you are a LIAR and I’m only sticking to that subject be it on any thread😜
You got owned and realised the truth and somehow within that confusion you called your own 12th a coward to another poster😂😂

🤡🤡

Anything on the thread and what is being discussed 😊

"you called your own 12th a coward to another poster"

You're taking it out of context and twisting it around to favour you. That's how desperate you gents are. I said "our coward" and that is according to you. So for argumentative reasons our coward fled from persecution, then what about those who who fled from the battlefield from the enemies of Allah and His Prophet s.a.w, to save their lives. And not to forget abandoning the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him stranded. The more you push it, the more it's going to be shoved at you. So if I was you I'd definitely get my act together 😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mustafa on June 14, 2019, 10:43:52 PM

2. There are situations where it can be permissible to take knowledge from Ahl al Bidah. Islamqa.info, the most known Salafi/Najdi website out there, stated that taking knowledge that wouldn't teach you Bidah can be permissible based on a few circumstances. They mentioned the Arabic language, Quranic Tajweed and Fiqh as things that would be okay to learn under people of innovation. Nobody here is taking Aqeedah lessons from Hani and all he has ever done is show the correct history of the Sahaba and the wars that occurred, as well as a few things against the Shi'i sect.


Keep in mind that I'm not calling Hani a deviant whatsoever, my point was to show that the case you're making is pointless because even if we suppose that he is a deviant, we can still take from him things that aren't innovations or have nothing to do with his innovations. 
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: whoaretheshia on June 15, 2019, 03:32:23 PM
Keep in mind that I'm not calling Hani a deviant whatsoever, my point was to show that the case you're making is pointless because even if we suppose that he is a deviant, we can still take from him things that aren't innovations or have nothing to do with his innovations.

His primary foundation for his Aqeedah as his statement clearly implies is Mutazili/Logician, irrespective of whether he also borrows from Ahlul-Hadith. In fact, the Ahlul-Hadith position can't actually mix with any Mutazila position. If you were 90% Ahlul-Hadith, and borrowed a little from the Mutazila, you would still be regarded as a deviant and not part of the Ahlus-Sunnah wal -Jamaah.

Hani has clearly made statements that would, by Salafi standards at least, take him out of the Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah and make him, by these standards an innovator according to Farid and his scholars in Aqeedah.

Now, taking knowledge that is not contrary to Salafi Islam might be permissible or debated, but given this individual represents TSN to refute the innovations of the Shia, it is hypocritical to have a man who himself is considered an innovator in Aqeedah writing the majority (or large bulk) of articles.
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 15, 2019, 05:18:25 PM
Anything on the thread and what is being discussed 😊

"you called your own 12th a coward to another poster"

You're taking it out of context and twisting it around to favour you. That's how desperate you gents are. I said "our coward" and that is according to you. So for argumentative reasons our coward fled from persecution, then what about those who who fled from the battlefield from the enemies of Allah and His Prophet s.a.w, to save their lives. And not to forget abandoning the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him stranded. The more you push it, the more it's going to be shoved at you. So if I was you I'd definitely get my act together 😊

It’s all within context you make blunder after blunder.😜

You’ve been answered I don’t need to say anything more, easily understood by sane minds, unfortunately for your last one even Allah swt doesn’t mention him nor does the prophet saw..........so you can shove that theory of the last one where the sun don’t shine a bit like hide it behind the clouds Mumbo jumbo, I’ve been down that road with you........he is a made up character with NO evidence of his existence apart from heresay and stories, no Quran no prophetic sayings.

I don’t answer to mumbo jumbo fairytales, unfortunately for you, you have to believe and defend made up superhumans living for a millennia waiting for 313 hard Shias..........😂 it’s been over 1400 years and the guy is still waiting for them😂

Now that is a fine ACT by your last one he definitely has got it right.😂

Even you admit his cowardice.😂

The more you bring the more you get OWNED!😭

Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 15, 2019, 06:20:08 PM
It’s all within context you make blunder after blunder.😜

You’ve been answered I don’t need to say anything more, easily understood by sane minds, unfortunately for your last one even Allah swt doesn’t mention him nor does the prophet saw..........so you can shove that theory of the last one where the sun don’t shine a bit like hide it behind the clouds Mumbo jumbo, I’ve been down that road with you........he is a made up character with NO evidence of his existence apart from heresay and stories, no Quran no prophetic sayings.

I don’t answer to mumbo jumbo fairytales, unfortunately for you, you have to believe and defend made up superhumans living for a millennia waiting for 313 hard Shias..........😂 it’s been over 1400 years and the guy is still waiting for them😂

Now that is a fine ACT by your last one he definitely has got it right.😂

Even you admit his cowardice.😂

The more you bring the more you get OWNED!😭

😊😊😊 After all that crap, anything on the thread and what's being discussed 😊😊😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mustafa on June 15, 2019, 11:04:02 PM
His primary foundation for his Aqeedah as his statement clearly implies is Mutazili/Logician, irrespective of whether he also borrows from Ahlul-Hadith. In fact, the Ahlul-Hadith position can't actually mix with any Mutazila position. If you were 90% Ahlul-Hadith, and borrowed a little from the Mutazila, you would still be regarded as a deviant and not part of the Ahlus-Sunnah wal -Jamaah.

Hani has clearly made statements that would, by Salafi standards at least, take him out of the Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaah and make him, by these standards an innovator according to Farid and his scholars in Aqeedah.


That's all irrelevant to my point. But I just want to respond to the part where you said "If you were 90% Ahlul-Hadith, and borrowed a little from the Mutazila, you would still be regarded as a deviant and not part of the Ahlus-Sunnah wal -Jamaah"..

I don't agree with you on that, I believe that Salafis would say that such a person is generally upon the Aqeedah of Ahl al-Sunnah but just has slight confusion on some aspects. You will notice that this is how some Salafis approach scholars like Ibn Hajar, al Nawawi and others when it comes to their Aqeedah beliefs. So I don't see how they wouldn't make similar excuses for someone who's a staggering 90% Ahl al-Hadith.

but given this individual represents TSN to refute the innovations of the Shia, it is hypocritical to have a man who himself is considered an innovator in Aqeedah writing the majority (or large bulk) of articles.

How so?
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: zaid_ibn_ali on June 16, 2019, 04:49:57 PM
No one cares lol.

This is a forum to discuss twelver shia. Not to address a contributors flirtations with mutazila.

Its not like anyone is following anyone else on here as their shaykh.
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 16, 2019, 05:55:07 PM
😊😊😊 After all that crap, anything on the thread and what's being discussed 😊😊😊

You are crap you talk crap you sound crap that’s exactly what is being discussed.......you and your crap 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 16, 2019, 06:00:38 PM
You are crap you talk crap you sound crap that’s exactly what is being discussed.......you and your crap 😂😂😂

And anything you'd like to say about the thread and subject being discussed. 😊 Oh, that's not your thing is it. You just mouth off 😀
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 16, 2019, 06:08:26 PM
And anything you'd like to say about the thread and subject being discussed. 😊 Oh, that's not your thing is it. You just mouth off 😀

You deserve such response because you are a liar and denier of facts so crap is what you are.😂
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 16, 2019, 06:13:19 PM
You deserve such response because you are a liar and denier of facts so crap is what you are.😂

That's fine. It's time for you to move on now. 😊 Anything on the thread and about Hani. What's your thoughts 😀
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 16, 2019, 06:18:26 PM
That's fine. It's time for you to move on now. 😊 Anything on the thread and about Hani. What's your thoughts 😀

Not interested in the thread doesn’t bother me one little bit ain’t gonna waste my time on it, I am only here to answer people like YOU who believe LIES and misrepresent truths on this thread or any other thread........hypocrite!😂

As for bro Hani alhamdulillah a great individual whom I have personally chatted with and learnt a few things from.👍
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 16, 2019, 10:54:48 PM
Not interested in the thread doesn’t bother me one little bit ain’t gonna waste my time on it, I am only here to answer people like YOU who believe LIES and misrepresent truths on this thread or any other thread........hypocrite!😂

As for bro Hani alhamdulillah a great individual whom I have personally chatted with and learnt a few things from.👍

And if he was a Shia would you have still called him a GREAT INDIVIDUAL and learnt a few things from him? 😀 OBVIOUSLY NOT! If you're not interested in the thread then ON YOUR BIKE and ON YOUR WAY. I don't have time for jokers like you. 😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 17, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
And if he was a Shia would you have still called him a GREAT INDIVIDUAL and learnt a few things from him? 😀 OBVIOUSLY NOT! If you're not interested in the thread then ON YOUR BIKE and ON YOUR WAY. I don't have time for jokers like you. 😊

YOU are the joker YOU are already running just like your last one he was fast and so are YOU😂😂👍

Yet you will LIE and deny facts that’s when yo can only debate😂😂😂
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 19, 2019, 08:32:36 AM
YOU are the joker YOU are already running just like your last one he was fast and so are YOU😂😂👍

Yet you will LIE and deny facts that’s when yo can only debate😂😂😂

You're the one who's running from addressing my posts. Just as those who ran from the battlefield 😊😊😊👌
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Sheikh on June 19, 2019, 08:51:32 AM
My question to you is, if you are sincere in fighting for truth, why is your chief writer a deviant in Aqeedah, and not a Sunni by your own standards?  How do you trust the judgement of someone you claim has erred on the greatest issue when it comes to representing you fairly on other perhaps important but less important issues?


I’m not Farid nor do I have anything to do with TSN or TSD, I am merely an uneducated layman that comments occasionally. But I’d like to respond with a question of my own.


If there was a website run by Muslims that was dedicated to researching, explaining, and refuting Christianity, would you be opposed to Shia and Sunni working together on such a website?


This isn’t a trick question and no matter what your answer is, I won’t accuse you of hypocrisy or double standards. I am just genuinely curious if you would find that acceptable or not. Personally, I would be not only accepting of such an arrangement, but I would welcome and praise the endeavor.


I see this as the same type of thing. I don’t know what Hani’s ‘aqeedah is. From the way he wrote that comment it almost seems sarcastic or not entirely serious. But even if it was completely sincere and he believes in that theology, I view it as his business and not mine. In fact, I think it is praiseworthy that TSN is welcoming and accepting of different points of view, much like how I would think it would be praiseworthy for Shia and Sunni to work together in handling inter-faith issues such as the example I mentioned above.
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 19, 2019, 11:43:56 AM
You're the one who's running from addressing my posts. Just as those who ran from the battlefield 😊😊😊👌

Your last one beats anyone born or ever lived on earth he is still on the run and he needs 313 to help him out.........you could be one of them 😂😂😂😂

Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 19, 2019, 01:04:56 PM
Your last one beats anyone born or ever lived on earth he is still on the run and he needs 313 to help him out.........you could be one of them 😂😂😂😂

He certainly doesn’t beat those who fled from the battlefield, ran from the enemies of Allah and his Prophet s.a.w, abandoning  the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him stranded.  😊😀😃😁😂😅
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Sheikh on June 19, 2019, 01:46:38 PM
He certainly doesn’t beat those who fled from the battlefield, ran from the enemies of Allah and his Prophet s.a.w, abandoning  the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him stranded.  😊😀😃😁😂😅


You mean the ones that turned around and returned to the battlefield immediately?


Please tell your 12th Imam that the big bad scary Abbasids are gone and he can come out from under his bed of the cave now.


I mean 1,300 years of hiding. Really?  We have a word for that type of coward in English, a word that I am probably not allowed to say on here because it refers to the female reproductive system.
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Mythbuster1 on June 19, 2019, 04:25:45 PM
He certainly doesn’t beat those who fled from the battlefield, ran from the enemies of Allah and his Prophet s.a.w, abandoning  the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him stranded.  😊😀😃😁😂😅

......And still being given the HONOUR of being buried next to Him pbuh😉

Being with Him pbuh in life and after death, Alhamdulillah.

Unlike a certain make belief character whom some idiots thought up of that they then told your ancestors he has to go in hiding because the Sunnis will kill him and can ONLY come out once there is 313 idiots ready for him.😂

You are right you certainly can’t beat your story in stupidity, It’s the best running story so far.😂😂😂👍👍
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 19, 2019, 09:16:57 PM

You mean the ones that turned around and returned to the battlefield immediately?


Please tell your 12th Imam that the big bad scary Abbasids are gone and he can come out from under his bed of the cave now.


I mean 1,300 years of hiding. Really?  We have a word for that type of coward in English, a word that I am probably not allowed to say on here because it refers to the female reproductive system.

"You mean the ones that turned around and returned to the battlefield immediately?

Oh did they 😊 That's something new to hear. Well what was the point of running in the first place 😊 After all they did flee, so you can't take them out of the coward category. So everytime you so eagerly, repeatedly and constantly mention one coward, remember there are others and far worse that what you accuse him of.

"I mean 1,300 years of hiding. Really?  We have a word for that type of coward in English, a word that I am probably not allowed to say on here because it refers to the female reproductive system"

By all means say what you need to say. Or is it that there is some limit to your shame and indecency. 😊

"We have a word for that type of coward in English"

And what type of word do you have for those who fled the battlefield. Not only this, running from the enemies of Allah and his Prophet s.a.w. And not only this, abandoning the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him stranded 😊😊😊
 

"Please tell your 12th Imam that the big bad scary Abbasids are gone and he can come out from under his bed of the cave now"

😊 You can do that yourself. I mean you can waggle your tongue and let it loose so why do you need me to do that. 😊
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: Sheikh on June 19, 2019, 10:25:30 PM
Oh did they 😊 That's something new to hear. Well what was the point of running in the first place 😊 After all they did flee, so you can't take them out of the coward category. So everytime you so eagerly, repeatedly and constantly mention one coward, remember there are others and far worse that what you accuse him of.
You have never been scared so much that you jumped or ran away?  Consider yourself lucky. It must be nice living such a comfortable life that the realities of war have never come near you.

By all means say what you need to say. Or is it that there is some limit to your shame and indecency. 😊
Shame and decency have nothing to do with it. While I would never use such language to refer to another person, your 12th Imam does not exist so there is no harm in using whatever obscenities I like about him. You know exactly what word I’m referring to. The only thing stopping me from saying it is the fact that I don’t want to get banned, not because I’m scared of insulting your imaginary friend. 

And what type of word do you have for those who fled the battlefield. Not only this, running from the enemies of Allah and his Prophet s.a.w. And not only this, abandoning the Prophet s.a.w and leaving him stranded 😊😊😊
Commander of the faithful.
 
😊 You can do that yourself. I mean you can waggle your tongue and let it loose so why do you need me to do that. 😊
I don’t know how to get in contact with your imaginary friend. He’s supposedly hiding in a cellar in Sammarra so maybe if I throw my message down a well in Iran it will get to him?
Title: Re: Hani (chief writer for TSN) declares himself part Mutazili in Aqeedah
Post by: iceman on June 19, 2019, 11:15:19 PM
You have never been scared so much that you jumped or ran away?  Consider yourself lucky. It must be nice living such a comfortable life that the realities of war have never come near you.
Shame and decency have nothing to do with it. While I would never use such language to refer to another person, your 12th Imam does not exist so there is no harm in using whatever obscenities I like about him. You know exactly what word I’m referring to. The only thing stopping me from saying it is the fact that I don’t want to get banned, not because I’m scared of insulting your imaginary friend. 
Commander of the faithful.
 I don’t know how to get in contact with your imaginary friend. He’s supposedly hiding in a cellar in Sammarra so maybe if I throw my message down a well in Iran it will get to him?

"You have never been scared so much that you jumped or ran away?  Consider yourself lucky. It must be nice living such a comfortable life that the realities of war have never come near you"

Nice excuse. There were others alongside them who stood their ground, remained firm and fought keeping in mind not to abandon the Prophet s.a.w and leave him stranded. And not turning your back on the enemy. And if the realities of war did come to me as it has come to others then I'd rather die a bloody death than live the life of a coward. Either way draw the line and keep a clear and firm difference from those who fled and those who didn't. You or anyone else wants to talk about cowards then don't be hesitant and shy to talk about the real cowards and upon whom the definition of coward really fits. I would say just watch your mouth when you speak. And if you don't want to then don't jump when reality is thrown at you in return. Just take it with a pinch of salt.

"your 12th Imam does not exist so there is no harm in using whatever obscenities"

An educated and literate person with a bit of dignity and shame wouldn't use whatever obscenities in any case. 😊 But what you've said justifies those who draw cartoons and make and take fun out of Muhammad s.a.w. They say exactly the same thing what you said and put forward the same excuse that 'we don't believe in Muhammad so we can use what ever obscenities we like'. 😊

So if you consider that there is no harm in you using whatever obscenities you like about him, then you're giving the same reason and excuse to the others to say what ever they like about Muhammad s.a.w. It's people like you and your policies that are causing unrest and complications for the Muslims and Islam globally. It's your actions be it verbal or practical (terror groups).

"The only thing stopping me from saying it is the fact that I don’t want to get banned"

You won't get banned. The others are it and have said a lot here. The mods and admins turn a blind eye. You will only get banned if you're a Shia or if a Shia retaliates with a similar response. So don't hesitate.

"Commander of the faithful"

Yeh, tell me about it. 😊

"I don’t know how to get in contact with your imaginary friend. He’s supposedly hiding in a cellar in Sammarra so maybe if I throw my message down a well in Iran it will get to him?"

If he's an imaginary friend then how can he be hiding in a cellar in Samara 😊 Don't you think before you talk. It doesn't sound like you do.

"so maybe if I throw my message down a well in Iran it will get to him?"

Well do that. You don't need my permission. Don't let me stop you. But make sure you don't fall in the well yourself 😀