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Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« on: May 09, 2017, 06:03:19 PM »
I've seen convincing arguments on both sides, sunni and shia alike, for that matter.
They asked how many will be with the one I hate. I said 313

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Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2017, 04:08:14 AM »
Sunnies themselves are mostly split between:

A- Hating him but refraining from cursing as a principal.

B- Hating and cursing him whenever his terrible deeds are mentioned (which is rare).

A minority exists today that believe Yazid was innocent and holds no responsibility. They believe it's only lies by Shia for political reasons.

This last view is not carefully or properly researched.

As for those who detest Ali and praise Muawiyah and Yazid, they are Nawasib. These folks mainly existed in the era of the Umayyads, they were eradicated intellectually by Ahlul Sunnah who spread the virtues of banu Hashim.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2017, 06:11:29 AM »
Sunnies themselves are mostly split between:

A- Hating him but refraining from cursing as a principal.

B- Hating and cursing him whenever his terrible deeds are mentioned (which is rare).

A minority exists today that believe Yazid was innocent and holds no responsibility. They believe it's only lies by Shia for political reasons.

This last view is not carefully or properly researched.

As for those who detest Ali and praise Muawiyah and Yazid, they are Nawasib. These folks mainly existed in the era of the Umayyads, they were eradicated intellectually by Ahlul Sunnah who spread the virtues of banu Hashim.

I personally hold the belief that Yazid was a zalim and is also to be blamed, but had Hussain Ra been able to talk to him one-one-one, he wouldn't have met his demise. I 'm under the impression that Yazid would much rather have preferred Hussain Ra to be alive. Ubaydullah Ibn Ziyad was too stubborn to think rationally or consider the proposals he was given by Hussain Ra when Umar ibn Sa'ad's forces intercepted him.
They asked how many will be with the one I hate. I said 313

Hani

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2017, 07:00:37 AM »
If that's what you think then what you read is well researched, Because that's exactly what happened. Hopefully a book will soon be released on this subject.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 05:01:12 PM »
If that's what you think then what you read is well researched, Because that's exactly what happened. Hopefully a book will soon be released on this subject.

:)
They asked how many will be with the one I hate. I said 313

bint e aisha

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2017, 08:09:01 PM »
Sunnies themselves are mostly split between:

A- Hating him but refraining from cursing as a principal.

B- Hating and cursing him whenever his terrible deeds are mentioned (which is rare).

A minority exists today that believe Yazid was innocent and holds no responsibility. They believe it's only lies by Shia for political reasons.

This last view is not carefully or properly researched.

As for those who detest Ali and praise Muawiyah and Yazid, they are Nawasib. These folks mainly existed in the era of the Umayyads, they were eradicated intellectually by Ahlul Sunnah who spread the virtues of banu Hashim.
Assalam u alaikum
Are you saying that those who praise Muawiyah RA are nasibis?

Hani

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2017, 10:44:59 PM »
Assalam u alaikum
Are you saying that those who praise Muawiyah RA are nasibis?

No, those who detest `Ali WHILE praising Mu`awiyah & Yazid.

Praising Mu`awiyah without detesting `Ali is quite common and acceptable.

Praising Yazid himself isn't even a big deal unless a person is familiar with the history and knows of the man's crimes, in which case loving and praising him become very problematic (Nasb).

عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Sheikh

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2017, 06:00:41 AM »
Muawiyah (ra) had nothing to do with the crimes of his son. Muawiyah was the first king in Islam and the best king, but still only a king. Can't be compared to the Khulafaa.

Rationalist

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2017, 06:54:39 AM »
There is nothing good about his rule. In fact he created a fitna by destroying the Caliphate.

Sheikh

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2017, 07:36:52 AM »
There is nothing good about his rule. In fact he created a fitna by destroying the Caliphate.


Who, Muawiyah or Yazid?


I have often wondered what would have happened with the Ummah if Hassan (ra) had served his Caliphate out. Would there have been more Khulafaa and who would they have been? Would we still have a Khalifa or would it have ended at some other point in history? Etc.


Certainly the fitna of Shi'ism wouldn't have taken root because there would have never been an any usurpation of authority. Perhaps the fitna of Nasibism would have been much smaller, or perhaps it may have been much bigger (if the people didn't like his rule).
« Last Edit: May 11, 2017, 07:38:36 AM by Sheikh »

bint e aisha

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2017, 11:07:16 AM »
Assalam u alaikum
Are you saying that those who praise Muawiyah RA are nasibis?

No, those who detest `Ali WHILE praising Mu`awiyah & Yazid.

Praising Mu`awiyah without detesting `Ali is quite common and acceptable.

Praising Yazid himself isn't even a big deal unless a person is familiar with the history and knows of the man's crimes, in which case loving and praising him become very problematic (Nasb).
JazakAllah for clarifying!

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 11:29:49 AM »
As a sunni (but prefer the term muslim) I do not believe the sahaba were infallible unlike the shia who believe so in regards to their Imams.

Thats the beauty of islam that every man & woman is & can be held accountable for their deeds both good & bad.

No one is beyone repute.

Some sahaba were greater thab others on this aspect.

Muawiya had both good & bad.

Thr bad being his appointing yazid when clearly there were more worthy candidates.

Neither muawiya nor yazid are a hujjah for us.

Allah knows best Muawiya's motive, but its not a fundemental belief to be pro or anti in this regard.

Criticism of his appointing yazid is fair.

bint e aisha

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 01:12:02 PM »
The status and honour of Sayyidina wa Maulana Ali ul Murtaza RA is well-known. And no Muslim can think of lowering the rank of Sayyidina Ali RA.

But under this cover, those so-called intellectuals, who detest Sayyidina Muawiyah RA and (nauzubillah) make him stand in their court like a culprit, are not doing any service to the deen however they are manifesting their wretched and filthy spirit!

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Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 03:47:22 AM »
May Allah curse those who don't believe cursing him is halal. He is the scum of the Earth and a wretched dog.
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bint e aisha

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 12:40:55 PM »
ومن يكن يطعن في معاويه
فهو كلب من كلاب الهاويه

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Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2017, 01:54:20 PM »
May Allah curse those who don't believe cursing him is halal. He is the scum of the Earth and a wretched dog.

Yes yes may Allah swt curse those who don't curse the scum of the earth the wretched dog bashar, may Allah swt send to jahannum EVERYONE who loves and supports the firawn regime of  the lapdog of putin

Your words have NO VALUE😜👍

Hani

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2017, 07:14:35 PM »
May Allah curse those who don't believe cursing him is halal. He is the scum of the Earth and a wretched dog.

Don't curse those who abstain from cursing, not everybody went and researched the event then concluded what you did. Some also follow narrations that advise Muslims not to curse one another. Some do not know whether he repented or not. If a person prefers to abstain and keep his tongue purified then good for him, we were not ordered by any religious text to curse a specific person, if we did we'd be cursing Pharaoh 24/7 whose crime is a million times worse than Yazid.

Yazid's irresponsible decisions led to the death of a great man, he wronged al-Husayn bin `Ali and oppressed him.

Pharaoh claimed Godhood and wronged God Himself! Yet Musa (as) was ordered to speak to him softly and calmly.

Point is, those who are certain of his crimes rightfully curse him. Those who are uncertain or unsure, refrain.

Dear brother, know that even recent scientific studies show that every negative statement you make will affect your psychological condition. Every foul word harms the person who utters it more than it harms others. Keeping the soul pure and healthy requires that you abandon certain matters, grudges, hatred toward fellow man etc... and leave all of it up to God. The wisest of people don't curse the person but curse the action, such as saying "May God deliver justice to the oppressed and guide the oppressors." Or "May God judge every tyrant on the day of judgement." etc...

Again, I personally don't have any issues with those who curse him for his terrible deeds.

« Last Edit: May 12, 2017, 07:17:28 PM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2017, 09:18:43 AM »
ومن يكن يطعن في معاويه
فهو كلب من كلاب الهاويه

معاوية لا قيمة له امام علي ابن ابي طالب
May Allah curse those who don't believe cursing him is halal. He is the scum of the Earth and a wretched dog.

Don't curse those who abstain from cursing, not everybody went and researched the event then concluded what you did. Some also follow narrations that advise Muslims not to curse one another. Some do not know whether he repented or not. If a person prefers to abstain and keep his tongue purified then good for him, we were not ordered by any religious text to curse a specific person, if we did we'd be cursing Pharaoh 24/7 whose crime is a million times worse than Yazid.

Yazid's irresponsible decisions led to the death of a great man, he wronged al-Husayn bin `Ali and oppressed him.

Pharaoh claimed Godhood and wronged God Himself! Yet Musa (as) was ordered to speak to him softly and calmly.

Point is, those who are certain of his crimes rightfully curse him. Those who are uncertain or unsure, refrain.

Dear brother, know that even recent scientific studies show that every negative statement you make will affect your psychological condition. Every foul word harms the person who utters it more than it harms others. Keeping the soul pure and healthy requires that you abandon certain matters, grudges, hatred toward fellow man etc... and leave all of it up to God. The wisest of people don't curse the person but curse the action, such as saying "May God deliver justice to the oppressed and guide the oppressors." Or "May God judge every tyrant on the day of judgement." etc...

Again, I personally don't have any issues with those who curse him for his terrible deeds.



Let me be clear. The reason why I say this is because we have hadiths like this:

قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه و آله من تأثم ان يلعن من لعنه الله فعليه لعنة الله

If someone knows Yazid (la) killed the Al-Husayn (as) but "refrains" from cursing him, then to me that's pathetic.

I don't believe cursing or insulting individuals which we are allowed to curse and insult is wrong, in fact our authentic hadiths tell us that is rewarding.
محور المقاومة والممانعة

bint e aisha

Re: Is it Permissible to curse Yazid?
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2017, 02:39:25 PM »
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معاوية لا قيمة له امام علي ابن ابي طالب

The status and honour of Sayyidina Ali bin abi Taalib RA is very high. Please stop comparing him with Hazrat Mu'wiyah RA!

 

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