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Rationalist

Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« on: October 31, 2015, 02:29:00 AM »
Like the Dozeners the Jews too believe in the concept of Raj'ah.

Here is the details of the Jewish Eschatology.

There will be a period of about seven years of terrible famines and other troubles. The land of Israel will at that time be under Non-Jewish control, and a leader of the tribe of Ephraim, will arise to lead militarily against these nations who control Jerusalem. He will be successful, but after his initial victory he will die in battle. This will cause a great mourning and many will lose faith. At that time (still within the seven years) the Moshiach Ben David will be revealed, he shall finish the battle. After which, he will resurrect all the dead, starting with the Moshiach Ben Yosef. Both of them will go up to Mount Zion to fulfill the prophecy in Ovadiah verse 21: "And the saviors (plural - both Messiahs) shall go up onto Mount Tzion and judge Mount Esav, and the kingdom will be for Hashem." There is the fulfillment of ALL the major prophesies like an end to war and a world at peace with the Jewish people in a restored Jerusalem with the third Temple.
 
The following points summarize this issue and are agreed to in all the Midrashim that deal with the Moshiach ben Yosef and the Moshiach ben Dovid.
They are two different people from two different tribal families.
They live at the same time.
Moshiach ben Yosef never takes the throne nor is he entitled to.
Moshiach ben Yosef is a warrior (Moshiach ben Dovid would also appear to be)
Moshiach ben Yosef will be killed in BATTLE[15] and will be the first to be raised from the dead by Moshiach ben Dovid.
The period of time from when Moshiach ben Yosef first comes into prominence until he is resurrected after the Moshiach ben Dovid comes to his throne is very short, the longest period is under two years.
The basic chronology of events is that there is a seven-year period. It starts with continually problems, it starts to improve and then in the sixth year it gets worse again. In the seventh year there are great wars in which the Moshiach ben Yosef is first successful and then he is killed in that later part of the year. Many Jewish people will become depressed and fall away.  At the end of the seven years Moshiach ben Dovid comes and finishes the job and there comes the resurrection of the dead.


http://judaismsanswer.com/yosef.htm

Hani

Re: Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2015, 03:47:08 AM »
Zoroastrian savior
In his Gathas (Hymns), Zarathushtra tells us of The World Savior, Saoshyant (Pahl. Soshyant), who is to come and stop the cruelty of bloodthirsty and wicked people, and renew the world, and end death. See Yasna 48.11-12, Yasna 43.3, The victorious Saoshyant and his helpers make the world wonderful: Yt19.9+, Yt19.88+, Astvat-ereta rises out of lake Kansaoya, and Asha will conquer the Druj: Yt19.92+, Dk3.102, Exaltation of mankind, see Dk3.247, Dk3.407.

عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Farid

Re: Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2015, 09:14:46 PM »
Who are you and what have you done with Hani?

Wa alaykum al shalom.

Rationalist

Re: Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 09:02:55 AM »
Resurrection of the Dead
I believe with perfect faith that the dead will be brought back to life when G‑d wills it to happen—13th Principle of Faith.

The Resurrection of the Dead – an era that will last for all eternity – is the second and final stage of the Messianic Era. It will happen forty years after the advent of the Messianic Era—click here for a more precise timeline and more about the resurrection process, and here to read Is the Resurrection Era the Ultimate Reward?

Every Jewish soul that ever lived will be resurrected—in the very body in which it lived and died (and in the case of reincarnated souls, all the bodies will be resurrected). The body and soul are partners in all good deeds performed; they must both be rewarded accordingly. For more on this topic, see Who will be Resurrected?

The Resurrection Era will be a period that will be characterized by radical changes in nature, with miracles becoming the daily norm (see A Miraculous Era?). We will then be treated to a reward that can only be viewed as a gift from Above, for its greatness is such that finite human efforts could never earn such bounty. Click here for more on the mystical significance of the Resurrection Era.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1128725/jewish/The-Basics.htm

Abu Rumaysah

Re: Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2018, 04:17:05 PM »
This would not be a proof against shias.

Considering belief that shared, that all religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) coming from Allah (yet first two been corrupted by their followers), it should be surprising that they share some beliefs.

It is like someone would say: Hey look, Jews believe in angels and Muslims do! So? As a source both religions take knowledge from Allah on this.

Wa Allahu Alam.

Rationalist

Re: Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2018, 01:36:03 AM »
Angels are mentioned in the Quran. We have to believe in it. So that's a weak reply.

As for rajah, I believe the reason both 12ers and Jews believe in it is because they share a similar history of  centuries of persecution. As a result, they began to lose their minds, and in order to relieve themselves they came up with the idea of a romantic Messiah who will come in the end of times. Then to top it up rajah was added to make them believe they will come back to enjoy this romantic era.



Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2018, 12:58:31 PM »
Sunni representation of Allah (swt) resembles that of Ahlul Kitab when they describe their God, especially Christians.
محور المقاومة والممانعة

Rationalist

Re: Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2018, 05:25:44 PM »
Please stay on topic. If you are such an expert on kalam then please respond to the  topic in reference about the shin in the Quran. The 12er Shia had to rely on Bakri narrations to save themselves on this one.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: Jews Also Believe In Raj'ah!
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2018, 06:19:15 PM »
Please stay on topic. If you are such an expert on kalam then please respond to the  topic in reference about the shin in the Quran. The 12er Shia had to rely on Bakri narrations to save themselves on this one.

Which "bakri" narrations? Lol. We have an entire bab in Al-Tawheed by Al-Saduq (rah) on this issue.
محور المقاومة والممانعة

 

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