Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?

[Qamar Farooq]

Very Interesting Stuff. It turns out the kufans were the people who were actually responsible

Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)? Part 1

Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)? Part 2

[iceman]

Very Interesting Stuff. It turns out the kufans were the people who were actually responsible

Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)? Part 1

Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)? Part 2

Who killed Hussain ra? The men directly responsible were those in authority, Ubaydallah ibn Ziyaad and Yazeed ibn Muawiya along with those who were present on the battlefield and drew the swords and launched the offensive.

Kufa was under lock down and kerfew was in place on the orders of the govner Ubaydallah ibn Ziyaad. Don't blame the Kufans for the persecution and house arrest certain individuals were under just to take the blame away from the real perpetrators Ubaydallah ibn Ziyaad and Yazeed ibn Muawiya.

[Mythbuster1]

Good videos mashallah I see the truth biting certain Shiites 😂😂😂

[Rationalist]

People of Kufa were not Rafidah at that time. So in reality 12er Shia did not even exist.

[Cherub786]

It's not a secret. While Yazid and his appointed governor Ibn Ziyad were overall in charge and bear much of the blame, the actual forces on the ground were the people of Kufa, most of whom were formerly part of the Shi'a movement having allegiance to Amir ul-Mu'minin Ali رضى الله عنه. Who were Umar b. Sa'd and Shimr b. Dhi al-Jawshan? They were basically Kufan ex-Shi'a. The people who suddenly abandoned Muslim b. Aqil رضى الله عنه in the thousands were present in large numbers in Karbala.

[iceman]

Good videos mashallah I see the truth biting certain Shiites 😂😂😂

Not at all. Your thoughts based on fantasy doesn't bother anyone. 😊

[iceman]

It's not a secret. While Yazid and his appointed governor Ibn Ziyad were overall in charge and bear much of the blame, the actual forces on the ground were the people of Kufa, most of whom were formerly part of the Shi'a movement having allegiance to Amir ul-Mu'minin Ali رضى الله عنه. Who were Umar b. Sa'd and Shimr b. Dhi al-Jawshan? They were basically Kufan ex-Shi'a. The people who suddenly abandoned Muslim b. Aqil رضى الله عنه in the thousands were present in large numbers in Karbala.

Political Shia, yes but not religious Shia. Because Shia means follower. And it was a general term at the time and that's how it was used such As Shia Muawiya and Shia Ali.

[Mythbuster1]

Not at all. Your thoughts based on fantasy doesn't bother anyone. 😊

Your divine Imamate crap is fantasy you still cannot provide CLEAR proofs😂😂😂
12 divine beings is a fantasy that only 2 ruled the rest were cowering in taqyyia mode😂😂😂😂
Your sect is a fantasy thought up by ibn saba 😂😂😂😂😂

Reality of saqifa beats the fantasy of divine imamates😂👍😂😂

Eshiite fantasy 😂😂😂

[iceman]

People of Kufa were not Rafidah at that time. So in reality 12er Shia did not even exist.

Shia did exist be it political or those who considered Ali as successor to Muhammad s.a.w. On the other hand you've probably forgotten to mention that Sunnis or Ahle Sunah Wal Jama'ah didn't exist till many years to come. I don't know why you didn't mention this.😑

[Cherub786]

Political Shia, yes but not religious Shia. Because Shia means follower. And it was a general term at the time and that's how it was used such As Shia Muawiya and Shia Ali.

Yes, the point is the killers of sayyidina Husain رضى الله عنه were the people of Kufa, they were Kufans, as the title says. And you previously wrote "Don't blame the Kufans".

[iceman]

Yes, the point is the killers of sayyidina Husain رضى الله عنه were the people of Kufa, they were Kufans, as the title says. And you previously wrote "Don't blame the Kufans".

The governor of Kufa was replaced by ibn Ziyaad, why? Who was ibn Ziyaad and where did he come from to Kufa with an armed convoy? And what makes you say the killers of Hussain were the people of Kufa? The Muslim army under the command of Ibn Ziyaad were Kufans? Tell me more!

[Cherub786]

The governor of Kufa was replaced by ibn Ziyaad, why? Who was ibn Ziyaad and where did he come from to Kufa with an armed convoy? And what makes you say the killers of Hussain were the people of Kufa? The Muslim army under the command of Ibn Ziyaad were Kufans? Tell me more!

Yes they were! Do you think Umar b. Saad, Shimr, and Shabath b. Rabi and the vast majority of those who were on the battlefield came from Syria? Ibn Ziyad basically bribed the Kufan Shiites to betray Ahl al-Bayt. The Syrians themselves didn't have the manpower to maintain rule over Kufa and Iraq, they needed collaborators. By the way, who were responsible for betraying Muslim bin Aqil رضى الله عنه and then killing him as well? Remember EIGHTEEN THOUSAND Kufans gave the bay'ah to sayyidina Husain through the agency of Muslim bin Aqil رضى الله عنهما. You think the Syrians had the manpower to suppress 18,000 people by force? They had to be bribed. It was a betrayal of the worst kind. In their letters to sayyidina Husayn رضى الله عنه the Kufans said that ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND of the people of Kufa were with him. Where were these 100 thousand people?

[iceman]

Yes they were! Do you think Umar b. Saad, Shimr, and Shabath b. Rabi and the vast majority of those who were on the battlefield came from Syria? Ibn Ziyad basically bribed the Kufan Shiites to betray Ahl al-Bayt. The Syrians themselves didn't have the manpower to maintain rule over Kufa and Iraq, they needed collaborators. By the way, who were responsible for betraying Muslim bin Aqil رضى الله عنه and then killing him as well? Remember EIGHTEEN THOUSAND Kufans gave the bay'ah to sayyidina Husain through the agency of Muslim bin Aqil رضى الله عنهما. You think the Syrians had the manpower to suppress 18,000 people by force? They had to be bribed. It was a betrayal of the worst kind. In their letters to sayyidina Husayn رضى الله عنه the Kufans said that ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND of the people of Kufa were with him. Where were these 100 thousand people?

And why did they write to Hussain in Madinah to begin with? What was the reason and purpose?

[Cherub786]

When sayyidina Husayn received the news of the martyrdom of Muslim bin Aqil, Hani bin Urwah, and his envoy Abdallah bin Yuqtur: "He took out a written statement to the people and read it to them: 'In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate, dreadful news of the murder of Muslim b. Aqil, Hani b. Urwah and Abdallah b. Yuqtur has reached us. OUR SHI'AH HAS DESERTED US. Those of you who would prefer to leave us may leave freely without guilt." The people began to disperse from him to the right and left. The only followers left with him were those who had come with him from Medina." (History of Tabari v.19 p.89)

[Cherub786]

And why did they write to Hussain in Madinah to begin with? What was the reason and purpose?

They were his Shi'ah, duh?
That's why sayyidina Husayn رضى الله عنه said after he got the news of the martyrdom of Muslim b. Aqil and Hani b. Urwa: "OUR SHI'AH HAVE DESERTED US" Read my previous post

[iceman]

They were his Shi'ah, duh?
That's why sayyidina Husayn رضى الله عنه said after he got the news of the martyrdom of Muslim b. Aqil and Hani b. Urwa: "OUR SHI'AH HAVE DESERTED US" Read my previous post

So when and how all of a sudden did they become Shia? And when they deserted Hussain who's Shia did they become? Or did they all of a sudden become Sunnis?

[Cherub786]

So when and how all of a sudden did they become Shia? And when they deserted Hussain who's Shia did they become? Or did they all of a sudden become Sunnis?

They were Shia. In fact, after the martyrdom of sayyidina Husayn رضى الله عنه, they felt guilty that some of them had participated in his killing and others had abandoned him. That's how the Tawwabun movement got started leading to the battle of Ayn al Warda. Tawwabun means they wanted to make Tawbah... Tawbah from what? From killing or abandoning sayyidina Husayn رضى الله عنه whom they wrote letters to inviting him to be their Imam in Kufah, pledging their allegiance to him in the tens of thousands, but then became cowards, betrayed him, abandoned him and accepted bribes from Ibn Ziyad to join the army that killed him in Karbala.

[iceman]

They were Shia. In fact, after the martyrdom of sayyidina Husayn رضى الله عنه, they felt guilty that some of them had participated in his killing and others had abandoned him. That's how the Tawwabun movement got started leading to the battle of Ayn al Warda. Tawwabun means they wanted to make Tawbah... Tawbah from what? From killing or abandoning sayyidina Husayn رضى الله عنه whom they wrote letters to inviting him to be their Imam in Kufah, pledging their allegiance to him in the tens of thousands, but then became cowards, betrayed him, abandoned him and accepted bribes from Ibn Ziyad to join the army that killed him in Karbala.

They were Shia or did they become Shia? And what kind of Shia did they become? Isna Ashar didn't exist at the time and neither did the Ismailis/Shash Imami. So what kind of Shia were they? I'm not asking you about the Tawabun movement, all this came about later.

Lets look at the basics and facts. Why did the Kufans write to Hussain? What seemed to be the reason and cause? Was there a problem? You have Yazeed ibn Muawiya the sixth Caliph of the Muslims. You had a government in place. There was no civil war and the Ummah wasn't left with out a ruler. So who exactly were these Kufans and why did they write to Hussain?

This is what you need to answer and talk about.

[Cherub786]

They were Shia or did they become Shia? And what kind of Shia did they become? Isna Ashar didn't exist at the time and neither did the Ismailis/Shash Imami. So what kind of Shia were they? I'm not asking you about the Tawabun movement, all this came about later.

Lets look at the basics and facts. Why did the Kufans write to Hussain? What seemed to be the reason and cause? Was there a problem? You have Yazeed ibn Muawiya the sixth Caliph of the Muslims. You had a government in place. There was no civil war and the Ummah wasn't left with out a ruler. So who exactly were these Kufans and why did they write to Hussain?

This is what you need to answer and talk about.

This is all outside the scope of our discussion and off topic. The point is, as I have proven, that the people who betrayed Imam Husayn عليه السلام والرضوان and participated en masse in his killing were the people of Kufah, the Shiite movement who would later evolve to become the various Shiite theological groups like Fivers, Seveners, Twelvers, etc.

[iceman]

This is all outside the scope of our discussion and off topic. The point is, as I have proven, that the people who betrayed Imam Husayn عليه السلام والرضوان and participated en masse in his killing were the people of Kufah, the Shiite movement who would later evolve to become the various Shiite theological groups like Fivers, Seveners, Twelvers, etc.

"This is all outside the scope of our discussion and off topic"

What an absolute joke. You haven’t proven anything. You're too scared to discuss.