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Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?

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Sheikh

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2018, 03:44:20 AM »
The Kufans didn’t really kill him. Rather they lured him to his death. Shimr is the murderer, under the direction of Ubaydallah ibn Ziyad, may Allah give them what they deserve.

Cherub786

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2018, 04:21:05 AM »
The Kufans didn’t really kill him. Rather they lured him to his death. Shimr is the murderer, under the direction of Ubaydallah ibn Ziyad, may Allah give them what they deserve.

And who was Shimr? Did he come from Damascus? He was a Kufan!
In fact, Shimr was one of the original Shiites, he faught alongside Amir ul Muminin RA in Siffin
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iceman

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2018, 10:34:43 AM »
And who was Shimr? Did he come from Damascus? He was a Kufan!
In fact, Shimr was one of the original Shiites, he faught alongside Amir ul Muminin RA in Siffin

Was it an armed convey that killed Hussain under the command of Ubaydallah ibn Ziyaad or was it a Shia rebel group? And what happened to the prisoners and where were they taken?

You've given one example of Shimr. There were people like him who joined those sides who were strong and durable. There were Muslims as such who became Shia this then Shia that where the authority and power lied. And obviously the most important questions which you don't want to touch.

People have been trying to hijack this situation and use it to their advantage to try and show that it was Shias who did this, then Shias did that and the other. As though Shias were responsible for everything that went wrong. 😊

But the question they need to ask themselves is where was the Muslims especially the Sahaba and the tabe'een? Or were there any Sunnis around and where were they.

Cherub786

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2018, 11:17:52 AM »

But the question they need to ask themselves is where was the Muslims especially the Sahaba and the tabe'een? Or were there any Sunnis around and where were they.

Imam Husayn عليه السلام والرضوان was a Sunni, ironically murdered by Shiites of Kufah.
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Mythbuster1

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2018, 12:39:36 PM »
Imam Husayn عليه السلام والرضوان was a Sunni, ironically murdered by Shiites of Kufah.

You have just messed his head up with that statement of truth now watch how many counter questions are coming your way😊👍

iceman

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2018, 12:01:29 AM »
Imam Husayn عليه السلام والرضوان was a Sunni, ironically murdered by Shiites of Kufah.

😊 And Sunni? OK, which Sunni? Hanafi, Maliki, Shafa'ee or may be Hanbali? 😊 Murdered by Shias of Kufah? OK, where exactly were the Sunnis hiding at the time? May be they were all on holiday in Barbados 😊

"You have just messed his head up with that statement of truth now watch how many counter questions are coming your way😊"

No counter questions from me. I know you're already frightened out of your..... Don't want to scare you any further incase you don't sleep well. 😀
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Cherub786

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2018, 01:53:43 AM »
😊 And Sunni? OK, which Sunni? Hanafi, Maliki, Shafa'ee or may be Hanbali? 😊 Murdered by Shias of Kufah? OK, where exactly were the Sunnis hiding at the time? May be they were all on holiday in Barbados 😊

The Sunnis were getting massacred at Karbala at that time, as I already explained.
Sayyidina Imam Husayn عليه السلام والرضوان was a Sunni meaning an adherent of Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaah.
Hanafi, Maliki, Shafie, Hanbali are schools of jurisprudence (not theological sects) which developed afterwards. But Sunnis have been there since the time of Sahaba and Imam Husayn was definitely a Sunni. He was definitely NOT an Ithna Ashari.
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Mythbuster1

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2018, 10:36:25 AM »
😊 And Sunni? OK, which Sunni? Hanafi, Maliki, Shafa'ee or may be Hanbali? 😊 Murdered by Shias of Kufah? OK, where exactly were the Sunnis hiding at the time? May be they were all on holiday in Barbados 😊

"You have just messed his head up with that statement of truth now watch how many counter questions are coming your way😊"

No counter questions from me. I know you're already frightened out of your..... Don't want to scare you any further incase you don't sleep well. 😀

What’s up?? You gotta surprise did you? Imam Hussein was a follower of SUNNAH and not no divine imam fairytale believer😂

I know your neend has gone haram now, first shura got you now imam Hussein ra being a Sunni has nailed you........”which Sunni is it?”😂👍

He definitely wasn’t a Shiite and you have NO proof for such either........maybe the hidden one can guide you the divine hidden one behind the clouds 😂

iceman

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2018, 08:31:09 PM »
What’s up?? You gotta surprise did you? Imam Hussein was a follower of SUNNAH and not no divine imam fairytale believer😂

I know your neend has gone haram now, first shura got you now imam Hussein ra being a Sunni has nailed you........”which Sunni is it?”😂👍

He definitely wasn’t a Shiite and you have NO proof for such either........maybe the hidden one can guide you the divine hidden one behind the clouds 😂

"Imam Hussein was a follower of SUNNAH"

And we are also followers of the Sunah and the same Sunah. And that is the Sunah of Muhammad s.a.w and certainly not Hanifa or anyone else 😊

"and not no divine imam fairytale believer"

Absolutely. I agree. He was no divine Imam fairytale believer. But in fact he was the DIVINE IMAM himself and we are the fairytale believers 😊

"He definitely wasn’t a Shiite"

Again, absolutely I agree. He definitely wasn't a Shia. But in fact we are HIS SHIA 😊

"maybe the hidden one can guide you"

We receive our guidance by Allah and through our Imam and Mujtahids. You on the other hand either have a DIRECT LINE with Allah or you know through whom you receive yours. 😊

Mythbuster1

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2018, 09:30:20 PM »
"Imam Hussein was a follower of SUNNAH"

And we are also followers of the Sunah and the same Sunah. And that is the Sunah of Muhammad s.a.w and certainly not Hanifa or anyone else 😊

"and not no divine imam fairytale believer"

Absolutely. I agree. He was no divine Imam fairytale believer. But in fact he was the DIVINE IMAM himself and we are the fairytale believers 😊

"He definitely wasn’t a Shiite"

Again, absolutely I agree. He definitely wasn't a Shia. But in fact we are HIS SHIA 😊

"maybe the hidden one can guide you"

We receive our guidance by Allah and through our Imam and Mujtahids. You on the other hand either have a DIRECT LINE with Allah or you know through whom you receive yours. 😊

I am pretty sure divine leadership finished with prophet saw unless you are a follower of a certain guy who came up with the idea of divinity carries on.........the details of which you will always never fail to provide however stupid it sounds😉

Fairytale believers for sure you are, the brave fairytale believers who cowered and ran when the imams needed help oh you got plenty of tales on that, imams knew they were just normal beings with no special divine leadership role, but the fairytale believers knew BETTER! 😉

Oh yea nice His Shia left Him ra and watched His cousin get martyred and then let same happen to Him ra just like other other imams ra, He ra actually was a shia of Muhammed saw like all Muslims so please don’t drag great people like imam Hussein ra to your stupidity, divinity is your concept not Imams ra 😉

Huh??? So the Quran is not much of a guidance to you that you have to go through 2 persons a mujtahid and an imam to recieve it??

Ermmm where is that imam?? If he ain’t here and all the so called mujtahids use unauthentic material to fool the masses then how can i recieve my guidance from Allah swt??

😂

Quran is a guide for Muslims, Alhamdulillah.

“And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.” 16/89

 I get why you need 2 extra people to help you😊👍

iceman

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2018, 10:01:44 PM »
I am pretty sure divine leadership finished with prophet saw unless you are a follower of a certain guy who came up with the idea of divinity carries on.........the details of which you will always never fail to provide however stupid it sounds😉

Fairytale believers for sure you are, the brave fairytale believers who cowered and ran when the imams needed help oh you got plenty of tales on that, imams knew they were just normal beings with no special divine leadership role, but the fairytale believers knew BETTER! 😉

Oh yea nice His Shia left Him ra and watched His cousin get martyred and then let same happen to Him ra just like other other imams ra, He ra actually was a shia of Muhammed saw like all Muslims so please don’t drag great people like imam Hussein ra to your stupidity, divinity is your concept not Imams ra 😉

Huh??? So the Quran is not much of a guidance to you that you have to go through 2 persons a mujtahid and an imam to recieve it??

Ermmm where is that imam?? If he ain’t here and all the so called mujtahids use unauthentic material to fool the masses then how can i recieve my guidance from Allah swt??

😂

Quran is a guide for Muslims, Alhamdulillah.

“And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.” 16/89

 I get why you need 2 extra people to help you😊👍

"I am pretty sure divine leadership finished with prophet saw unless you are a follower of a certain guy who came up with the idea of divinity carries on.........the details of which you will always never fail to provide however stupid it sounds😉"

You're PRETTY SURE but not ABSOLUTELY SURE. The uncertainty is there. Nice of you to admit and accept that. 😊

"the details of which you will always never fail to provide however stupid it sounds"

Well of course it will always sound stupid to you since you're SAQIFA DRIVEN 😊

"believers who cowered and ran when the imams needed help"

"Oh yea nice His Shia left Him ra and watched His cousin get martyred and then let same happen to Him ra just like other other imams ra"

Heard it many times and will ask the same question again which you can never answer, AND WHERE WERE THE SUNNIS AT THE TIME?" 😊 On vacation?

"He ra actually was a shia"

Now that's a contradiction. In the previous post you said he wasn't a Shia but in fact a Sunni and now you've just admitted he was a Shia. So Allah finally got the truth out of you eventually. Yes, he actually was a Shia. I agree. 😊

"Huh??? So the Quran is not much of a guidance to you that you have to go through 2 persons a mujtahid and an imam to recieve it??"

Get your facts right. Qur'an is the DIVINE BOOK and we have DIVINE TEACHERS. Allah guides us through the book and its teacher.

"Ermmm where is that imam?? If he ain’t here and all the so called mujtahids use unauthentic material to fool the masses then how can i recieve my guidance from Allah swt??"

Will answer this when I have free time. Don't sweat over it. 😊

Mythbuster1

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2018, 10:21:20 PM »
"I am pretty sure divine leadership finished with prophet saw unless you are a follower of a certain guy who came up with the idea of divinity carries on.........the details of which you will always never fail to provide however stupid it sounds😉"

You're PRETTY SURE but not ABSOLUTELY SURE. The uncertainty is there. Nice of you to admit and accept that. 😊

"the details of which you will always never fail to provide however stupid it sounds"

Well of course it will always sound stupid to you since you're SAQIFA DRIVEN 😊

"believers who cowered and ran when the imams needed help"

"Oh yea nice His Shia left Him ra and watched His cousin get martyred and then let same happen to Him ra just like other other imams ra"

Heard it many times and will ask the same question again which you can never answer, AND WHERE WERE THE SUNNIS AT THE TIME?" 😊 On vacation?

"He ra actually was a shia"

Now that's a contradiction. In the previous post you said he wasn't a Shia but in fact a Sunni and now you've just admitted he was a Shia. So Allah finally got the truth out of you eventually. Yes, he actually was a Shia. I agree. 😊

"Huh??? So the Quran is not much of a guidance to you that you have to go through 2 persons a mujtahid and an imam to recieve it??"

Get your facts right. Qur'an is the DIVINE BOOK and we have DIVINE TEACHERS. Allah guides us through the book and its teacher.

"Ermmm where is that imam?? If he ain’t here and all the so called mujtahids use unauthentic material to fool the masses then how can i recieve my guidance from Allah swt??"

Will answer this when I have free time. Don't sweat over it. 😊

Pretty sure as in sarcastically?? You no get it it? Shows your mentality 😊 erm how old are you?

No proofs but ad hom attacks, typical Shiite response when nothing else to lie about😉👍

Sunnis didn’t call Him Imam Hussein ra.......that would be your ancestors who called Him to His martyrdom and then RAN like the last hero of the heroes😉

Well done out of all that Shiite nonsense you are spewing you forgot the divine part 😂 we are all shia of the divine Nabi saw including the imams.........only believers in fairytales attach the divine part to His offspring😉

Erm......FACT CHECK!

Shiites follow a DIVINE BOOK 👍
Shiites have DIVINE TEACHERS🤔

Erm the second one is definitely NOT A FACT unless you can help me meet the divine teacher or infact help ALL the ummah to meet Him and we can learn REAL GUIDANCE from him and make Islam a success.......no?!?

You can’t answer it’s been 1400 years don’t bother😊

iceman

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2018, 11:25:19 PM »
Pretty sure as in sarcastically?? You no get it it? Shows your mentality 😊 erm how old are you?

No proofs but ad hom attacks, typical Shiite response when nothing else to lie about😉👍

Sunnis didn’t call Him Imam Hussein ra.......that would be your ancestors who called Him to His martyrdom and then RAN like the last hero of the heroes😉

Well done out of all that Shiite nonsense you are spewing you forgot the divine part 😂 we are all shia of the divine Nabi saw including the imams.........only believers in fairytales attach the divine part to His offspring😉

Erm......FACT CHECK!

Shiites follow a DIVINE BOOK 👍
Shiites have DIVINE TEACHERS🤔

Erm the second one is definitely NOT A FACT unless you can help me meet the divine teacher or infact help ALL the ummah to meet Him and we can learn REAL GUIDANCE from him and make Islam a success.......no?!?

You can’t answer it’s been 1400 years don’t bother😊

"Pretty sure as in sarcastically?? You no get it it? Shows your mentality 😊 erm how old are you?"

It's got nothing to do with my mentality. One either needs to be psychic or childish to figure you out.

"No proofs but ad hom attacks, typical Shiite response when nothing else to lie about😉👍"

Plenty of proofs but Saqifa goes straight out of the window. That's the reason why you can't digest the truth.

"Sunnis didn’t call Him Imam Hussein ra.......that would be your ancestors who called Him to His martyrdom and then RAN like the last hero of the heroes😉:

And where exactly were the Sunnis? Or they just didn't care? 😊 Or may be they didn't exist 😑

"we are all shia"

Fabulous 😊 I knew the truth would eventually come out.

"Erm the second one is definitely NOT A FACT unless you can help me meet the divine teacher or infact help ALL the ummah to meet Him and we can learn REAL GUIDANCE from him and make Islam a success.......no?!?"

We can only begin this once you shake off the Saqifa fever 😊 You have to develop an open mind for this.

"You can’t answer it’s been 1400 years don’t bother😊"

How long has it been since you've been without a rightly guided Caliph 😊 Saqifa long gone but still dwells in your mind.

Mythbuster1

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2018, 02:16:49 AM »
"Pretty sure as in sarcastically?? You no get it it? Shows your mentality 😊 erm how old are you?"

It's got nothing to do with my mentality. One either needs to be psychic or childish to figure you out.

"No proofs but ad hom attacks, typical Shiite response when nothing else to lie about😉👍"

Plenty of proofs but Saqifa goes straight out of the window. That's the reason why you can't digest the truth.

"Sunnis didn’t call Him Imam Hussein ra.......that would be your ancestors who called Him to His martyrdom and then RAN like the last hero of the heroes😉:

And where exactly were the Sunnis? Or they just didn't care? 😊 Or may be they didn't exist 😑

"we are all shia"

Fabulous 😊 I knew the truth would eventually come out.

"Erm the second one is definitely NOT A FACT unless you can help me meet the divine teacher or infact help ALL the ummah to meet Him and we can learn REAL GUIDANCE from him and make Islam a success.......no?!?"

We can only begin this once you shake off the Saqifa fever 😊 You have to develop an open mind for this.

"You can’t answer it’s been 1400 years don’t bother😊"

How long has it been since you've been without a rightly guided Caliph 😊 Saqifa long gone but still dwells in your mind.

Trust me you have to be mental in your case in a straight jacket believing in fairytales😉

Shura clear in the Quran
Divine Imamate not at all
Compare the two to this verse

“And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.” 16/89

Yes shura is clarified but divine Imamate??? I haven’t seen any clear clarification coming from your side, so might as well chuck that theory out of the window......for real😉

Don’t worry about Sunnis they were telling him not to go because these darn kuffans are treacherous and will not help you........And the kuffans didn’t disappoint on that😉

Yes shia as in a follower as in a follower of prophet saw’s sunnah.......you came afterwards and called yourself 12’r shiites followers of ibn sabas divine Imamate theory😊

So you have to believe in a scared imam who ran for the fear of his life and god hid him from killers while the killers roamed around freely and enjoyed life........you definitely have an open mind for creating fairytales I gotta give you that😂👍

Our khalifs weren’t divine, we can live with that, Alhamdulillah👍

Better that than forcing yourself to believe in superhuman fairytales of atom movers who couldnt protect their own wives and a hidden being hiding for centuries who you will never see because he is so scared and fearful.......even tho we have Iran and hezbullah and other Shiites totalling 150 mill the guy still won’t come out😂

I think it’s time for your pills kid😂

iceman

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2018, 03:14:33 AM »
Trust me you have to be mental in your case in a straight jacket believing in fairytales😉

Shura clear in the Quran
Divine Imamate not at all
Compare the two to this verse

“And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.” 16/89

Yes shura is clarified but divine Imamate??? I haven’t seen any clear clarification coming from your side, so might as well chuck that theory out of the window......for real😉

Don’t worry about Sunnis they were telling him not to go because these darn kuffans are treacherous and will not help you........And the kuffans didn’t disappoint on that😉

Yes shia as in a follower as in a follower of prophet saw’s sunnah.......you came afterwards and called yourself 12’r shiites followers of ibn sabas divine Imamate theory😊

So you have to believe in a scared imam who ran for the fear of his life and god hid him from killers while the killers roamed around freely and enjoyed life........you definitely have an open mind for creating fairytales I gotta give you that😂👍

Our khalifs weren’t divine, we can live with that, Alhamdulillah👍

Better that than forcing yourself to believe in superhuman fairytales of atom movers who couldnt protect their own wives and a hidden being hiding for centuries who you will never see because he is so scared and fearful.......even tho we have Iran and hezbullah and other Shiites totalling 150 mill the guy still won’t come out😂

I think it’s time for your pills kid😂

"Shura clear in the Quran
Divine Imamate not at all
Compare the two to this verse"

Shura clear in the Qur'an but no where to be seen after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w  Not in Saqifa since everbody was busy in mourning the Prophet s.a.w and his funeral procession.

The first Caliph named and appointed his successor. And the second Caliph left only a five man committee to decide who would be Caliph. So where is Shura, its method and procedure?

"Yes shura is clarified but divine Imamate??? I haven’t seen any clear clarification coming from your side, so might as well chuck that theory out of the window......for real😉"

Many examples from the Qur'an have been given on Imamah but Saqifa won't let anything digest. And here it is again the Sunni buster question,

was Abraham promoted, was he demoted or given a title of a similar nature and grade? ☺ Muthbuster, meet Sunni buster.

"And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.” 16/89

How does this verse give people the right to choose their Caliph? Did Allah put Caliphate into the hands of the people? Prove it from the Qur'an and not Saqifa ☺

"Don’t worry about Sunnis they were telling him not to go because these darn kuffans are treacherous and will not help you........And the kuffans didn’t disappoint on that😉"

Who were these Sunnis who were telling him not to go? They only advised him but refused to protect him? Wow, some Sunnis we have here.

Mythbuster1

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2018, 12:30:20 PM »
"Shura clear in the Quran
Divine Imamate not at all
Compare the two to this verse"

Shura clear in the Qur'an but no where to be seen after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w  Not in Saqifa since everbody was busy in mourning the Prophet s.a.w and his funeral procession.

The first Caliph named and appointed his successor. And the second Caliph left only a five man committee to decide who would be Caliph. So where is Shura, its method and procedure?

"Yes shura is clarified but divine Imamate??? I haven’t seen any clear clarification coming from your side, so might as well chuck that theory out of the window......for real😉"

Many examples from the Qur'an have been given on Imamah but Saqifa won't let anything digest. And here it is again the Sunni buster question,

was Abraham promoted, was he demoted or given a title of a similar nature and grade? ☺ Muthbuster, meet Sunni buster.

"And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.” 16/89

How does this verse give people the right to choose their Caliph? Did Allah put Caliphate into the hands of the people? Prove it from the Qur'an and not Saqifa ☺

"Don’t worry about Sunnis they were telling him not to go because these darn kuffans are treacherous and will not help you........And the kuffans didn’t disappoint on that😉"

Who were these Sunnis who were telling him not to go? They only advised him but refused to protect him? Wow, some Sunnis we have here.


Questions questions counter questions 😂👍

I noticed you posted my quote but not the verse of the Quran maybe the clarification part is too much for you😂👍
Doesnt matter what but shura is in the Quran it’s not my fault divinity Imamate is not there and you can’t explain it clear apart from giving examples, hence you are a minority whom always have been Shiites when confronted you have no clear answers but just examples as you are doing CLEARLY.....Alhamdulillah all I have to do is ruffle your feathers of divinity fake Imamate and you turn into a mental retard with repitive circular questions that bite you back in the ....😜

Yes.....but the great divine entity of Imamate according to you.......did give his bayah to the first khalif.........hmmmmm🤔
He NEVER claimed it was wrong infact he wanted same process for himself in your books.🤔
He NEVER mentioned any divine Imamate leadership........that would be THE fairytale which you created and are latching on to him and are finding it so difficult to explain that closest you can get is the word “promotion”, without clear evidence from Quran or sunnah....Alhamdulillah👍

Sunni buster Ibrahim as PROMOTED

Shiite buster prophet saw wasn’t PROMOTED and the imams bypassed PROMOTION to get it straight without any trial 🤔
Answer that you keep evading that and ask a million different other questions.

Can you read? Ok change your Shiite goggles to normal READING glasses have a sip of water and......relax.😉
The verse I posted says “clarified”........my point is the book is 100% right shura is clarified.
Yet for the love of god you still haven’t given any clear clarification from the book on divine Imamate instead bombarding us with promotion theories and examples of other prophets.
Shura is definitely a thorn in your life, it beats divine Imamate hands down.😊
Alhamdulillah.

😂👍 yes at least we ADVISED Him not to go........yet your ancestors CALLED Him and then ran when the Syrian soldiers started showing their presence (typical Shiites).....Sunnis were right that Shiites enticed Him to come and then left Him to get martyred.........Nasty kuffans, killers of prophets grandson your heroes😉👍

iceman

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2018, 12:58:05 PM »
Questions questions counter questions 😂👍

I noticed you posted my quote but not the verse of the Quran maybe the clarification part is too much for you😂👍
Doesnt matter what but shura is in the Quran it’s not my fault divinity Imamate is not there and you can’t explain it clear apart from giving examples, hence you are a minority whom always have been Shiites when confronted you have no clear answers but just examples as you are doing CLEARLY.....Alhamdulillah all I have to do is ruffle your feathers of divinity fake Imamate and you turn into a mental retard with repitive circular questions that bite you back in the ....😜

Yes.....but the great divine entity of Imamate according to you.......did give his bayah to the first khalif.........hmmmmm🤔
He NEVER claimed it was wrong infact he wanted same process for himself in your books.🤔
He NEVER mentioned any divine Imamate leadership........that would be THE fairytale which you created and are latching on to him and are finding it so difficult to explain that closest you can get is the word “promotion”, without clear evidence from Quran or sunnah....Alhamdulillah👍

Sunni buster Ibrahim as PROMOTED

Shiite buster prophet saw wasn’t PROMOTED and the imams bypassed PROMOTION to get it straight without any trial 🤔
Answer that you keep evading that and ask a million different other questions.

Can you read? Ok change your Shiite goggles to normal READING glasses have a sip of water and......relax.😉
The verse I posted says “clarified”........my point is the book is 100% right shura is clarified.
Yet for the love of god you still haven’t given any clear clarification from the book on divine Imamate instead bombarding us with promotion theories and examples of other prophets.
Shura is definitely a thorn in your life, it beats divine Imamate hands down.😊
Alhamdulillah.

😂👍 yes at least we ADVISED Him not to go........yet your ancestors CALLED Him and then ran when the Syrian soldiers started showing their presence (typical Shiites).....Sunnis were right that Shiites enticed Him to come and then left Him to get martyred.........Nasty kuffans, killers of prophets grandson your heroes😉👍

"Questions questions counter questions 😂"

If you, Muslim 720 or another comes around with "Questions questions counter questions" Then that's fine. 😊

Imamah is absolutely and definitely clear in the Qur'an but you don't intend to accept it because it goes against what you believe in. And what you believe in is the Shaykhain and Saqifa.

Allah and only Allah chooses and makes Caliphs and Imams. Also the logic is there that the Prophet s.a.w did name and appoint someone to govern after him and that someone was from the Ahle Baith. But people had problems accepting and digesting this then just as now.

Oppression and tyranny did start and is making its way to fill the world. And Allah is allowing people to have and get their way for it to be clear and seen. Once the people have had enough of having their way and the results can be clearly seen, then Allah will send a man from the Ahle Baith to put things right that started to go wrong right at the very beginning. And that  beginning was SAQIFA 😊
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Mythbuster1

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2018, 06:10:54 PM »
Blah blah blah........yawn 😴

Imamate goes against my belief hence I can’t accept it?!?
It’s YOU who are adamant on it being in the Quran, yet have problems showing it clear as asked, then you go on some story and if we was to agree......it goes against our belief??......honestly!?

Promotion!!

Still waiting👍

iceman

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2018, 07:21:00 PM »
Blah blah blah........yawn 😴

Imamate goes against my belief hence I can’t accept it?!?
It’s YOU who are adamant on it being in the Quran, yet have problems showing it clear as asked, then you go on some story and if we was to agree......it goes against our belief??......honestly!?

Promotion!!

Still waiting👍

Well people full of arrogance and ignorance like you spend their whole life burning but still won't accept the truth no matter how clear. 😊

You think the Prophet s.a.w passed away without naming and appointing someone to govern after him, without addressing this extremely important matter and issue.  We on the other hand don't.

This is where one needs to start off from. It is also clear in the Qur'an that Allah alone makes Caliphs and Imams. Give me any nation which was allowed to gather and choose their own leader.

But still Saqifa falls short that people didn't gather their to select a leader. Only the heads of the Ansar gathered to select their own leader and I wonder why. And only three Muhajir quietly and secretly rushed there to prevent that from happening. 😊😊😊

Cherub786

Re: Karbala - Who Killed Hussain (RA)?
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2018, 07:48:14 PM »
You think the Prophet s.a.w passed away without naming and appointing someone to govern after him, without addressing this extremely important matter and issue.

Why didn't the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم instruct us how to use electricity for power? That is also an extremely important matter. According to you, all important matters must be addressed by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم
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