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Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => General Sunni-Shia => Topic started by: MissyB786 on January 07, 2015, 09:51:30 PM
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:D for some reason a shia wants to debate me on Mutah, I don't know why me of all people, but I've been busy with exams so will respond to them in due time.
Here is the discussion:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SS.GlobalDebate/618365734934954/?notif_t=group_comment
I do have a few resources I would respond with, but anyone who wish to provide more, please post here so I can respond,
https://alsonnah.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/ibn-abbas-and-mutah-temporary-marriage/
http://gift2shias.com//?s=mutah&submit=Search
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/iran-rise-hiv
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/prostitution_holy_men
http://www.schiiten.com/backup/AhlelBayt.com/www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/mutah/whore-houses.html
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12798195/Ahlel%20Bayt%20website/Ahlel%20Bayt%20website/AhlelBayt.com/www.ahlelbayt.com/category/articles/mutah.html
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PS user Jafar Abas, has been stalking me since sunniforum days and has tracked me down to facebook :-\ I know ur reading this now u stalker Jafar Abas, stop stalking me!!!
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Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger, Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them. (Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250)
So is Jabir b. Abdullah a prostitute according to you?
It's funny because there is even a hadeeth where Asma bint Abi Bakr admits to doing muta. O you who claim to love the Sahabah, stop insulting them by calling them prostitutes. :-\
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A brother is currently writing an article on this topic, when it finishes we'll post it on the website.
Mut`ah has already been discussed until boredom, nothing new is usually brought fourth.
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A brother is currently writing an article on this topic, when it finishes we'll post it on the website.
Mut`ah has already been discussed until boredom, nothing new is usually brought fourth.
As I understand it, the Sunni argument is that it was abolished at Khaybar, right?
And the Shia argument is that it was never abolished except by Umar (who didn't have the right).
The argument of *some* is that it is prostitution which therefore makes most of the Sahabah prostitutes.
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Those who say it was prohibited have several opinions on when it was finally prohibited.
Those who say it was allowed differ on whether it was absolutely allowed or only as Rukhsah.
As for it being "prostitution" it should not be called that, it is very similar to it and is a better alternative than prostitution, rather it is known today as Zinah by consensus.
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As for it being "prostitution" it should not be called that, it is very similar to it and is a better alternative than prostitution, rather it is known today as Zinah by consensus.
So most of the Sahabah committed Zinah, including Asma bint Abi Bakr? There's a consensus, right?
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As for it being "prostitution" it should not be called that, it is very similar to it and is a better alternative than prostitution, rather it is known today as Zinah by consensus.
So most of the Sahabah committed Zinah, including Asma bint Abi Bakr? There's a consensus, right?
It wasn't Zinah when it was allowed, it's Zinah after it was prohibited.
Zinah: Any relationship between a man and a woman not legalized by Islamic law.
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It wasn't Zinah when it was allowed, it's Zinah after it was prohibited.
Zinah: Any relationship between a man and a woman not legalized by Islamic law.
All of the "we practiced Muta in the time of Rasul Allah and Abu Bakr, but stopped during the reign of `Umar" hadeeths come to mind. If the Prophet banned Muta, they were committing Zinah (Asma bint Abi Bakr, anyone?) If the Prophet did not ban Muta, then `Umar had no right to and nobody can call it Zinah.
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All of the "we practiced Muta in the time of Rasul Allah and Abu Bakr, but stopped during the reign of `Umar" hadeeths come to mind. If the Prophet banned Muta, they were committing Zinah (Asma bint Abi Bakr, anyone?) If the Prophet did not ban Muta, then `Umar had no right to and nobody can call it Zinah.
Prohibition didn't reach some people it seems, for instance the prohibition never reached ibn `Abbas but he still permitted it as Rukhsah in extreme cases.
And the Prophet (saw) did ban it.