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Title: on ibn qayyam in badie ul fawaid
Post by: Ibn Taymiyya on April 12, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
could somebody explain what is ibn al qayim is telling here ,
i post the rafidhi translation " ibn al qayyim is saying it is easier to do masturbation with water melon"
many shia websites place this one top of the list when diluting the guilt of muttah,.
did ibn al qayyim really  declare it permissible
Title: Re: on ibn qayyam in badie ul fawaid
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on April 14, 2019, 12:56:20 AM
could somebody explain what is ibn al qayim is telling here ,
i post the rafidhi translation " ibn al qayyim is saying it is easier to do masturbation with water melon"
many shia websites place this one top of the list when diluting the guilt of muttah,.
did ibn al qayyim really  declare it permissible

This is the actual view of Ibn al Qayyim.

والصحيح عندي أنه لا يباح لأن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم إنما أرشد صاحب الشهوة إذا عجز عن الزواج إلى الصوم

“And the correct opinion according to us (Ibn Qayyim) is that it is not allowed, as the Prophet(SAWS) advised those who have sexual urge and who were unable to marry to fast instead.” [Bada’i Al-Fuwa’id vol 4, page 97]
Title: Re: on ibn qayyam in badie ul fawaid
Post by: Ibn Taymiyya on April 15, 2019, 03:00:53 PM
jazakallaha brother i had already read this, could you specifically deal with the quote as i gave in the question.
Title: Re: on ibn qayyam in badie ul fawaid
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on April 16, 2019, 02:21:47 PM
could somebody explain what is ibn al qayim is telling here ,
i post the rafidhi translation " ibn al qayyim is saying it is easier to do masturbation with water melon"
many shia websites place this one top of the list when diluting the guilt of muttah,.
did ibn al qayyim really  declare it permissible
Brother, the burden of Proof is on Rafidis to prove that ibn Qayyim considers it is permissible. While I showed you the opinion he actually held.

If by half-quotes they want to establish something, then I can prove caliphate of Abu bakr from their books with half-quotes.
Title: Re: on ibn qayyam in badie ul fawaid
Post by: muslim720 on April 18, 2019, 09:21:23 PM
The Rawaafidh have a narration, maybe more than one, which says that a bitter or sour watermelon is one that rejects Wilayah.  Maybe the Rawaafidh are utilizing the Wilayah-rejecting watermelons for masturbation and projecting their desires on the (falsely attributed) stance of Ibn Qayyim (rah).
Title: Re: on ibn qayyam in badie ul fawaid
Post by: Ibn Taymiyya on April 18, 2019, 10:19:46 PM
The Rawaafidh have a narration, maybe more than one, which says that a bitter or sour watermelon is one that rejects Wilayah.  Maybe the Rawaafidh are utilizing the Wilayah-rejecting watermelons for masturbation and projecting their desires on the (falsely attributed) stance of Ibn Qayyim (rah).
seems much like that, i was wondering why on earth they find faults with ibn al Qayyim (r.a), when khomeni permits them to masturbate in the thighs of a suckling babe?
i know that hurts hmmm??