Once again I require your help

[Mythbuster1]

“No doubt, ALLAH has issue truth, on the tongue and in the heart of Umar. “

What, on the tongue of a person who had no respect or care for the Prophet s.a.w and what he had to write. Someone who led himself and the others astray. And before you start jumping up and down that is based on what the Prophet s.a.w said. "Fetch me a pen and paper so I may write something for you so you don't go astray after me". Umar objected and differed. He reminded others by saying "you have the book of Allah with you, the book of Allah is sufficient for us" thus leading himself and some others astray. 😊 You talk about the great hadith about Umar, well it seems like Umar forgot the verse "what the Prophet offers you take it,  what he forbids refrain from it". 😊 He didn't care nor was he interested in what the Prophet s.a.w had to offer. And just for you many hadiths were forged or fabricated and even made up by those or for those who governed pushing there way forward.

Yes on the tongue of the 3rd greatest man after Muhammed pbuh, Alhamdulillah.

You can hate as much as you want you have NOTHING apart from Black Thursday and yet you still cannot prove it was Umar ra who said that word nonsense.😂

Syed ustaad dimwit the hater of Sunnis and friends and wives of prophet pbuh cannot bring ANY evidence for his assumptions of Umar ra saying the word nonsense.

GOTCHA you liar!

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[iceman]

Yes on the tongue of the 3rd greatest man after Muhammed pbuh, Alhamdulillah.

You can hate as much as you want you have NOTHING apart from Black Thursday and yet you still cannot prove it was Umar ra who said that word nonsense.😂

Syed ustaad dimwit the hater of Sunnis and friends and wives of prophet pbuh cannot bring ANY evidence for his assumptions of Umar ra saying the word nonsense.

GOTCHA you liar!

😂👍

The Prophet s.a.w asked for a pen and paper. WHY? So the Prophet s.a.w may write something for the companions. WHY? So that they won't go astray after him s.a.w. Umar objected to it that a pen and paper shouldn't be given to him. He further said "remember you have the book of Allah with you, the book of Allah is sufficient for us". Now clearly certain people will believe that Umar went astray here along with those who sided with him. Why is this takfeer on sahaba? 😊 Answer up 😆 What's your opinion on Umar here.

The Prophet s.a.w didn't write what he needed to to save the companions from going astray. Why? Because certain companions objected and weren't interested. Why? Because they didn't think it was necessary I guess. So the verse was ignored and violated "take what the Prophet has to offer or gives you, abstain from what he forbids you". Now certain people believe Umar became astray because of his action and stance. Why is this a crime if certain people believe that Umar went astray here along with those who sided with him. 😊

We have nothing apart from Black Thursday? 😂 What, you want more apart from Black Thursday to put a conviction on Umar 😊 How serious can it get than Black Thursday. 😊

[Mythbuster1]

The Prophet s.a.w asked for a pen and paper. WHY? So the Prophet s.a.w may write something for the companions. WHY? So that they won't go astray after him s.a.w. Umar objected to it that a pen and paper shouldn't be given to him. He further said "remember you have the book of Allah with you, the book of Allah is sufficient for us". Now clearly certain people will believe that Umar went astray here along with those who sided with him. Why is this takfeer on sahaba? 😊 Answer up 😆 What's your opinion on Umar here.

The Prophet s.a.w didn't write what he needed to to save the companions from going astray. Why? Because certain companions objected and weren't interested. Why? Because they didn't think it was necessary I guess. So the verse was ignored and violated "take what the Prophet has to offer or gives you, abstain from what he forbids you". Now certain people believe Umar became astray because of his action and stance. Why is this a crime if certain people believe that Umar went astray here along with those who sided with him. 😊

We have nothing apart from Black Thursday? 😂 What, you want more apart from Black Thursday to put a conviction on Umar 😊 How serious can it get than Black Thursday. 😊

Honestly? My opinion on Umar ra?

 My opinion is EXACTLY the same as Imam Ali ra.......... "May Allah reward 'such and such man' who straightened the curve, cured the disease, abandoned mischief and established the Sunnah. He departed (from this world) with untarnished clothes and little shortcomings. He achieved good (of this world) and remained safe from its evils. He offered Allah's obedience and feared Him as He deserved. He went away and left the people in dividing ways wherein the misled cannot obtain guidance and the guided cannot attain certainty."
Ibn Abil-Hadid a Mutazeli scholar who has written the most famous commentary of Nahj al-Balagha writes that 'such and such man' ('Fulan' in original Arabic) refers to Umar (ra) as he has seen in a Sayyed Radhi's hand written manuscript of Nahj al-Balagha that the word Umar was written beneath 'Fulan' (Sharh Nahj al-balaghah, 14: 3-4).

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Right, now the word nonsense is missing but it’s something else about Umar ra that irks you, and your hate against Him won’t  subside.

Ahlu sunnah DONT, but like you said SOME people (shiites) believe He went astray and your evidence is hadith of Black Thursday where the prophet pbuh told THEM to leave, which to a hater and denier of truth like yourself take it to mean it was just Umar ra that prophet pbuh was referring to, we know your hate and how you follow lies and assumptions as the above explains.

Either you are dumb or just playing dumb either way a minion like yourself is showing hate and then you say you don’t hate.😂


This is best evidence for syed ustaad dimwit that he has to add Umar ra as the sole culprit of THEM who were told to leave.

Shiism at its greatest😂👍

[iceman]

Yes on the tongue of the 3rd greatest man after Muhammed pbuh, Alhamdulillah.

You can hate as much as you want you have NOTHING apart from Black Thursday and yet you still cannot prove it was Umar ra who said that word nonsense.😂

Syed ustaad dimwit the hater of Sunnis and friends and wives of prophet pbuh cannot bring ANY evidence for his assumptions of Umar ra saying the word nonsense.

GOTCHA you liar!

😂👍

"Yes on the tongue of the 3rd greatest man after Muhammed pbuh, Alhamdulillah"

How and in what way? Oh, just because he ended up being the second caliph. Your sequence of excellence goes by who ended up being a Caliph. That's how you categorise them. Not on the basis of character, performance and their achievement. Not on the basis of actions and merits. 😊

"You can hate as much as you want you have NOTHING apart from Black Thursday and yet you still cannot prove it was Umar ra who said that word nonsense"

I don't hate anyone. 😊 You don't need anything apart from Black Thursday. 😊 And crime followed by a conviction based on that crime and the damage that follows is more than enough. 😊

"Syed ustaad dimwit the hater of Sunnis and friends and wives of the Prophet s.a.w"

I don't hate anyone. 😊 You have to do better than that. Much better. You can't win the argument like this. 😊 Put something constructive forward. 😊

"GOTCHA you liar!"

You haven't got anything. Apart from embarrassment. 😊

[Mythbuster1]

"Yes on the tongue of the 3rd greatest man after Muhammed pbuh, Alhamdulillah"

How and in what way? Oh, just because he ended up being the second caliph. Your sequence of excellence goes by who ended up being a Caliph. That's how you categorise them. Not on the basis of character, performance and their achievement. Not on the basis of actions and merits. 😊

"You can hate as much as you want you have NOTHING apart from Black Thursday and yet you still cannot prove it was Umar ra who said that word nonsense"

I don't hate anyone. 😊 You don't need anything apart from Black Thursday. 😊 And crime followed by a conviction based on that crime and the damage that follows is more than enough. 😊

"Syed ustaad dimwit the hater of Sunnis and friends and wives of the Prophet s.a.w"

I don't hate anyone. 😊 You have to do better than that. Much better. You can't win the argument like this. 😊 Put something constructive forward. 😊

"GOTCHA you liar!"

You haven't got anything. Apart from embarrassment. 😊

He Umar ra achieved more than ANY divine imam ever did, at least Umar ra was a real human being who lived and was martyred........A living being!!

No divine imam EVER existed even to this day and you have no proof of it.👍😂

Again your hatred is never ending especially on Umar ra, history has been written about Umar ra and His achievements, you just don’t want to know and keep your hatred up just keep shaytaan happy, you know the one who walks on the other side when he used to see Umar ra coming.😂👍

Quran is sufficient is not a crime in Islam where as not paying zakah and following a false prophet.....IS!

You are confused in all this hate ustaad😂👍

I have put a constructive argument forward......sajjah, you then turn it on the person you hate.....Umar ra and confusingly portraying it as the same crime.😂😂😂
Dimwit!

I got you embarrassed to the point you started to LIE to make yourself look good.

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Shiism the cesspit of nonsense 👆

[Soccer]

Separating the Sunnah and Ahlulbayt from Quran is the height of evil and transgression.

[muslim720]

The Sunnis came around during the time and generation of our 6th Imam Jaffar Al Sadiq. Your Imam Abu Hanafi was a student of our 6th Imam who then went off and apposed Jaffar to create his own school of thought backed by the government against Al Sadiq. This is where the first Sunnis emerged, the followers of Abu Hanifa.

Once again, you have proven your deep ignorance.  Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) was an imam of fiqh, not our "Infallible Guide".  The fiqh of Sunni school isn't all of Sunni school, ya jaahil!  And while he was a student of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra), this bit totally destroys all the claims you lay to the Imam (ra) as your religious guide.  How can the student of Imam Al-Sadiq (ra) have a completely different set of jurisprudence than the Ithna Asharis?  Oh, so he went off and opposed the Imam (ra)?  Well, there are four schools of jurisprudence and despite their differences, all four are in harmony.  So if anything, you have to prove how the four Imams of Sunni Fiqh (rah) conspire against Imam As-Sadiq (ra) when almost all of them were tortured for being Shia (due to their extreme love for Ahlul Bayt)!

This is the difference between real Muslims, including Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra), and the fringe groups (who claim to have Imam Al-Sadiq on their side): persecution or not, we stood by our beliefs.  Our Imams (ra) accepted torture to stand by Ahlul Bayt (ra).  According to you, your Imams (ra) - allegedly - lied and manipulated facts just to get by.

Later on Sunnis fell into disarray and developed differences where Imam Malik separated and started his own school of thought. The difference furthered to Shafi and Hambali schools of thought. You didn't even exist and were no where to be seen when we were around.

Of course you had to be raised on such misrepresentation of facts because your Ithna Ashari creed was a by-product of various other Shi'i sects failing and going extinct.

Lol. Lol again. You are so far stuck up in personality worship that a few companions and that's just a handful never got anything wrong what so ever. You have turned them into Holy saints.

At least we do not give them Allah's (swt) Attributes.  Oh, and you lied!  Try harder next time.

They abandoned the Prophet s.a.w and left him stranded in battle and ran to save their lives. They shunned the Prophet s.a.w when he asked for pen and paper and weren't interested in what he had to offer. This went on while the Prophet s.a.w was alive. Never mind about what they got up to after the Prophet's s.a.w death.

And Imam Ali (ra) never opposed them, gave his daughter in marriage to one of them, advised all of them and never overturned a single verdict by any one of them.

Imam Hassan did not abdicate what was Divinely Ordained for him.
The tyrant like Muawiya, your words, only ruled over Muslims due to the failure of the Muslims. Just like Yazeed ruled over the Muslims.

And who made Muawiya's rule possible?  That is my point!

[iceman]

Once again, you have proven your deep ignorance.  Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) was an imam of fiqh, not our "Infallible Guide".  The fiqh of Sunni school isn't all of Sunni school, ya jaahil!  And while he was a student of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra), this bit totally destroys all the claims you lay to the Imam (ra) as your religious guide.  How can the student of Imam Al-Sadiq (ra) have a completely different set of jurisprudence than the Ithna Asharis?  Oh, so he went off and opposed the Imam (ra)?  Well, there are four schools of jurisprudence and despite their differences, all four are in harmony.  So if anything, you have to prove how the four Imams of Sunni Fiqh (rah) conspire against Imam As-Sadiq (ra) when almost all of them were tortured for being Shia (due to their extreme love for Ahlul Bayt)!

This is the difference between real Muslims, including Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra), and the fringe groups (who claim to have Imam Al-Sadiq on their side): persecution or not, we stood by our beliefs.  Our Imams (ra) accepted torture to stand by Ahlul Bayt (ra).  According to you, your Imams (ra) - allegedly - lied and manipulated facts just to get by.



Of course you had to be raised on such misrepresentation of facts because your Ithna Ashari creed was a by-product of various other Shi'i sects failing and going extinct.



At least we do not give them Allah's (swt) Attributes.  Oh, and you lied!  Try harder next time.



And Imam Ali (ra) never opposed them, gave his daughter in marriage to one of them, advised all of them and never overturned a single verdict by any one of them.



And who made Muawiya's rule possible?  That is my point!

"Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) was an imam of fiqh, not our "Infallible Guide".

Make sure you stick to this because I'm going to use this. Then you further say;

"How can the student of Imam Al-Sadiq (ra) have a completely different set of jurisprudence than the Ithna Asharis?"

He (Abu Hanifa) wasn't an infallible guide then you say that how can he differ with his teacher? Are you for real. He wasn't an infallible guide but can't differ and disagree? Why can't he? I'll tell you why he did and the reason you've given 'because he wasn't infallible'.

It doesn't matter which Shia Imam it was, from Ali all the way to Askari, they were all opposed by the government of the time. And those who opposed or differed with the Imams were uplifted by the government through backing and support.

Abu Hanifa was picked up by the government of the time and was supported against Al Sadiq. Why is there more supporters and followers of Fiqah e Hanafia rather than Fiqah e Jafferia? Because Hanifa was picked up engineered and programmed to work against Al Sadiq. One was supported by ever means and the other opposed by every means.

Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w, was he not. He believed in Muhammad s.a.w being the last and final Prophet. Then Malik goes astray in believing in sajjah as a Prophet and following her. Malik being a companion could go astray and did according to you. But Hanifa couldn't be picked up, bought out and sold by the government against Al Sadiq? I don't see you saying and talking here that despite companions being Mehfooz according to your Sunni faith, how can Malik believe in and follow another prophet after Muhammad s.a.w while being a companion of Muhammad s.a.w and believing in him as the last and final Messenger.

"The fiqh of Sunni school isn't all of Sunni school, ya jaahil"

Please do explain this. You call me Jahil but so far you are speaking on jahalat yourself.

[iceman]

Once again, you have proven your deep ignorance.  Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) was an imam of fiqh, not our "Infallible Guide".  The fiqh of Sunni school isn't all of Sunni school, ya jaahil!  And while he was a student of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra), this bit totally destroys all the claims you lay to the Imam (ra) as your religious guide.  How can the student of Imam Al-Sadiq (ra) have a completely different set of jurisprudence than the Ithna Asharis?  Oh, so he went off and opposed the Imam (ra)?  Well, there are four schools of jurisprudence and despite their differences, all four are in harmony.  So if anything, you have to prove how the four Imams of Sunni Fiqh (rah) conspire against Imam As-Sadiq (ra) when almost all of them were tortured for being Shia (due to their extreme love for Ahlul Bayt)!

This is the difference between real Muslims, including Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra), and the fringe groups (who claim to have Imam Al-Sadiq on their side): persecution or not, we stood by our beliefs.  Our Imams (ra) accepted torture to stand by Ahlul Bayt (ra).  According to you, your Imams (ra) - allegedly - lied and manipulated facts just to get by.



Of course you had to be raised on such misrepresentation of facts because your Ithna Ashari creed was a by-product of various other Shi'i sects failing and going extinct.



At least we do not give them Allah's (swt) Attributes.  Oh, and you lied!  Try harder next time.



And Imam Ali (ra) never opposed them, gave his daughter in marriage to one of them, advised all of them and never overturned a single verdict by any one of them.



And who made Muawiya's rule possible?  That is my point!

"so he went off and opposed the Imam (ra)?  Well, there are four schools of jurisprudence and despite their differences, all four are in harmony"

Harmony? History and facts tell us a different story. One is not willing to pray behind the Imam of another school of thought. Then you have sectarian differences, the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ah hate the Sunni Wahabis and the Deobandis hate the Barelvis.

"Our Imams (ra) accepted torture to stand by Ahlul Bayt (ra).  According to you, your Imams (ra) - allegedly - lied and manipulated facts just to get by.

Your Imams stood by the Ahle Baith based on words and not by faith or action. And our Imams stood by and believed in the actual Islam and not the political Islam brought about by the Shaykhain in the form of Caliphate Islam. A Sunni scholar said well about Karbala; "on one side you have political Islam Yazeed Ibne Muawiya. And the other side you have the original Islam Hussain Ibne Ali". We Shias believe in the original Islam and that is what we follow. You believe in the political Islam and that is what you follow.

"Of course you had to be raised on such misrepresentation of facts because your Ithna Ashari creed was a by-product of various other Shi'i sects failing and going extinct"

My Isna Ashari sect comes from Ghadeer and the Prophet's s.a.w hadith that there will be 12 caliphs/leaders/Imams after me. And my 12th Imam Al Mahdi comes from the Prophet’s s.a.w hadith that a saviour will arrive to fill the world with justice and fairness as though it will be full of injustice and tyranny. He's name will be Muhammad just like mine. That's exactly where my sect and faith originates from.

"At least we do not give them Allah's (swt) Attributes"

Neither do we. Try to stick to one subject at a time.

"And who made Muawiya's rule possible?  That is my point!"

The Muslims who let Hassan down after giving allegiance to him. And now some consider him the 5th Caliph of the Muslims. And some consider Muawiya the 5th Caliph of the Muslims ridding Hassan completely. It's the Muslims mate who have been cause of their own problems.

Those who stood by the Prophet s.a.w and demanded that he should be given the pen and paper and we should accept what he had to write and offer were actually the true and loyal companions. And those who stood by the Imams were the actual Shias like Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr who you never bother to mention forget about praising and honouring him.

"And Imam Ali (ra) never opposed them, gave his daughter in marriage to one of them, advised all of them and never overturned a single verdict by any one of them"

You believe in the made up story. That's exactly why stories like that were made up. Just as a counter argument to challenge the truth and facts and to show that it was all sugar and honey.

[muslim720]

He (Abu Hanifa) wasn't an infallible guide then you say that how can he differ with his teacher? Are you for real. He wasn't an infallible guide but can't differ and disagree? Why can't he? I'll tell you why he did and the reason you've given 'because he wasn't infallible'.

Wait, so Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) must have disagreed with his teacher because he was not infallible?  Well, how many of the students of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra) do you Shias consider "infallible"?  None!  Therefore, by your logic, they too must have differed from their teacher.

Your logic only suffocated your own claim, lol.

Because Hanifa was picked up engineered and programmed to work against Al Sadiq. One was supported by ever means and the other opposed by every means.

The fiqh of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra) was preserved through Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) so the latter was accepted because all the so-called "students" of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra) presented by Ithna Ashari school were all liars with the most prolific ones cursed by none other than Imam Al-Sadiq (ra) himself.  Alhamdulilah for Imam Abu Hanifa (rah); the teachings of Imam Al-Sadiq (ra), otherwise, would have been lost, thanks to the treachery of Kufans who continuously conspired and murdered members of Ahlul Bayt (ra) one after another.

Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w, was he not. He believed in Muhammad s.a.w being the last and final Prophet. Then Malik goes astray in believing in sajjah as a Prophet and following her. Malik being a companion could go astray and did according to you. But Hanifa couldn't be picked up, bought out and sold by the government against Al Sadiq?

I presented you an authentic Shi'i report in which Imam Al-Sadiq (ra) said that anyone who refuses to pay Zakat is an apostate and should be subjected to capital punishment.  You completely forsook the fiqh of Imam Al-Sadiq (ra), as presented by Shi'i school, back then.  So I am flabbergasted that you even had the audacity to present such an example.  As for the example itself, we have authentic proof to prove Malik bin Nuwayrah's apostasy, the most eminent "Sahabi" for the Shia.  Do you have a single authentic report that Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) was bought out?  Unfortunately for you, the only people to make deals with the wrong crowd were your own first and second "infallible" Imams (ra), lol.  That is, if we go according to your beliefs.

Please do explain this. You call me Jahil but so far you are speaking on jahalat yourself.

This is a simple point!  Is Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah just fiqh?  I recommend you refrain from head beating this Muharram.

One is not willing to pray behind the Imam of another school of thought. Then you have sectarian differences, the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ah hate the Sunni Wahabis and the Deobandis hate the Barelvis.

Actually, the four Imams of fiqh (rah) all conceded that as an individual, they all thought they were right but it was also possible that they may be wrong and one of the other three was right (on one or more issues).  As for Wahabis, Deobandis and Barelvis, you are conflating fiqh with aqeedah.  Rest assured that such differences not only exist within Shia school but also amongst Ithna Asharis so your point is moot.

Your Imams stood by the Ahle Baith based on words and not by faith or action

Still does not negate the fact that all four of them were imprisoned and tortured for their extreme love for Ahlul Bayt (ra).  I would rather have those who support me by words than those who backstab me and my family and then hold annual processions of grief for my murder which happened because of them and at their hands.  Thanks but no thanks!

My Isna Ashari sect comes from Ghadeer

Alhamdulilah!  Your sect comes from a rest stop between Mecca and Madina.  At least you are honest that it has nothing to do with the Holy Prophet (saw) and Islam.

And my 12th Imam Al Mahdi comes from the Prophet’s s.a.w hadith that a saviour will arrive to fill the world with justice and fairness as though it will be full of injustice and tyranny

He would have been here by now if you effeminate bunch could only find 313 men among you who could actually prove that their said father is their biological father and that they were not offspring of mut'ah.  Millions of you and not even 313 men among you, lol!

Neither do we. Try to stick to one subject at a time

Sure you don't give Attributes of Allah (swt) to the Imams (ra)?  Re-consider your position or I will blast you on this one.  I just blasted two "intellectual" Shias on this point on YouTube.

The Muslims who let Hassan down after giving allegiance to him. And now some consider him the 5th Caliph of the Muslims. And some consider Muawiya the 5th Caliph of the Muslims ridding Hassan completely. It's the Muslims mate who have been cause of their own problems.

How is it the Muslims' fault when Imam Hassan (ra) himself handed their affairs over to Muawiya?  Muslims obey the Imam, not oppose him.  When he made way for another person, Muslims accepted it as part of his wisdom.  Renegades, on the other hand, are still burning over it till this very day, lol.

You believe in the made up story. That's exactly why stories like that were made up. Just as a counter argument to challenge the truth and facts and to show that it was all sugar and honey

In the other discussion topic, brothers have shown you authentic evidence from Shi'i sources and scholars that Umar (ra) married the daughter of Imam Ali (ra).  It is not my problem that you cannot see the sun because your eyes are shut; just don't say that it (the sun) does not exist!

[Mythbuster1]

Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w, was he not. He believed in Muhammad s.a.w being the last and final Prophet. Then Malik goes astray in believing in sajjah as a Prophet and following her. Malik being a companion could go astray and did according to you.

What a hypocrite!!!

You wanted evidence from me on Nuwera following sajja but here you are using it as your argument against someone else??

HYPOCRITE!

[iceman]

What a hypocrite!!!

You wanted evidence from me on Nuwera following sajja but here you are using it as your argument against someone else??

HYPOCRITE!

LOL! Where is your evidence against Malik that he became an apostate? You haven't put anything forward till yet. Just an accusation without any sort of evidence what so ever. Never mind about clear evidence that one can't argue with 😊

And if you ever do bring forward clear and cut evidence of Malik becoming an apostate, which you never ever will be able to, then that would be absolutely clear that after all companions can go astray. 😊

You lose either way. 😊 I will expose your hypocritical stance and double standards 😆

[Mythbuster1]

LOL! Where is your evidence against Malik that he became an apostate? You haven't put anything forward till yet. Just an accusation without any sort of evidence what so ever. Never mind about clear evidence that one can't argue with 😊

And if you ever do bring forward clear and cut evidence of Malik becoming an apostate, which you never ever will be able to, then that would be absolutely clear that after all companions can go astray. 😊

You lose either way. 😊 I will expose your hypocritical stance and double standards 😆

So why are YOU using Malik being an apostate to counter someone else’s argument?

If you don’t believe it’s true then why use the argument?

That’s just hypocrisy.

I stand by what I saidhe was an apostate and NEVER budged I gave you evidence for it........only in shiism that equals to hypocrisy.
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Dimwit!

[Mythbuster1]

LOL! Where is your evidence against Malik that he became an apostate? You haven't put anything forward till yet. Just an accusation without any sort of evidence what so ever. Never mind about clear evidence that one can't argue with 😊

And if you ever do bring forward clear and cut evidence of Malik becoming an apostate, which you never ever will be able to, then that would be absolutely clear that after all companions can go astray. 😊

You lose either way. 😊 I will expose your hypocritical stance and double standards 😆

Yes dimwit we have plethora of evidences, I gave you 2!!

Companions following another prophet is not a companion no more, he/she is not Muslim!

You lost from the point you started equalling apostasy with a statement “Quran is sufficient”

You have been exposed as a liar and a hypocrite using double standards especially regarding the apostate.

You have NOTHING, your words are babble and you can’t even read the verses of Quran clearly without adding your own divine nonsense to them.

Bring it on big Shiite man😂😂😂

[iceman]

Yes dimwit we have plethora of evidences, I gave you 2!!

Companions following another prophet is not a companion no more, he/she is not Muslim!

You lost from the point you started equalling apostasy with a statement “Quran is sufficient”

You have been exposed as a liar and a hypocrite using double standards especially regarding the apostate.

You have NOTHING, your words are babble and you can’t even read the verses of Quran clearly without adding your own divine nonsense to them.

Bring it on big Shiite man😂😂😂

You are not aware of your history books. The reports on Malik bin Nuwayrah are mixed. Ahle Sunnah don't have a clear and fixed opinion on him. They differ on him becoming an apostate. Even Umar disagreed with him becoming an apostate and wanted Abu Bakr to punish Khalid over the killing of Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men. A companion Abu Qatada, who was among the armed soldiers under the command of Khalid, complained to Abu Bakr over Khalid and testified that he saw Malik and his tribes men pray and claimed that Khalid did wrong by acting hastily.

[iceman]

Yes dimwit we have plethora of evidences, I gave you 2!!

Companions following another prophet is not a companion no more, he/she is not Muslim!

You lost from the point you started equalling apostasy with a statement “Quran is sufficient”

You have been exposed as a liar and a hypocrite using double standards especially regarding the apostate.

You have NOTHING, your words are babble and you can’t even read the verses of Quran clearly without adding your own divine nonsense to them.

Bring it on big Shiite man😂😂😂

"Companions following another prophet is not a companion no more, he/she is not Muslim"

Firstly where is the clear cut evidence for this. Secondly you do believe that companions can go astray further as becoming apostates. Then believe in this principle and follow freedom of speech and the right of others to accept that companions went astray just as you say and believe they can. 😊

"You lost from the point you started equalling apostasy with a statement “Quran is sufficient”

A companion differed with Muhammad s.a.w on what he had to write and offer by saying "we have the book of Allah with us, the book of Allah is sufficient for us" Therefore violating the command of Allah that "what ever the Prophet s.a.w gives you, take it and what ever he forbids refrain from it", where he went astray along with others who sided with him.

Now those who believe in this you have no right what so ever to challenge them over this. Because you believe that companions can go astray. 😊

"You have been exposed as a liar and a hypocrite using double standards especially regarding the apostate"

That description fits on you. 😊

"You have NOTHING, your words are babble and you can’t even read the verses of Quran clearly without adding your own divine nonsense to them"

😀 Explain! You can't discuss. You don't have anything. 😊

"Bring it on big Shiite man"

😀 I have and I am. 😊 Nothing positive and constructive from you. 😊

[Mythbuster1]

You are not aware of your history books. The reports on Malik bin Nuwayrah are mixed. Ahle Sunnah don't have a clear and fixed opinion on him. They differ on him becoming an apostate. Even Umar disagreed with him becoming an apostate and wanted Abu Bakr to punish Khalid over the killing of Malik bin Nuwayrah and his tribes men. A companion Abu Qatada, who was among the armed soldiers under the command of Khalid, complained to Abu Bakr over Khalid and testified that he saw Malik and his tribes men pray and claimed that Khalid did wrong by acting hastily.

No they don’t differ on that apostate we are unanimous he was an apostate and then Khalid ra served under the khilafah of Umar ra whom Umar ra complained to Abu Bakr ra about before.😁

Your hate is inbred from birth about Umar ra we know, but you will use Umar’s complaint to Abu Bakr ra,the person who didn’t listen to the prophet pbuh according to your assumptions is now proof for you that Khalid was wrong??!?😂😂
You have NO logic at all you are all over the shop ustaad.😂😂

This is shiism they don’t know if they are coming or going👍

[Mythbuster1]

"Companions following another prophet is not a companion no more, he/she is not Muslim"

Firstly where is the clear cut evidence for this. Secondly you do believe that companions can go astray further as becoming apostates. Then believe in this principle and follow freedom of speech and the right of others to accept that companions went astray just as you say and believe they can. 😊

"You lost from the point you started equalling apostasy with a statement “Quran is sufficient”

A companion differed with Muhammad s.a.w on what he had to write and offer by saying "we have the book of Allah with us, the book of Allah is sufficient for us" Therefore violating the command of Allah that "what ever the Prophet s.a.w gives you, take it and what ever he forbids refrain from it", where he went astray along with others who sided with him.

Now those who believe in this you have no right what so ever to challenge them over this. Because you believe that companions can go astray. 😊

"You have been exposed as a liar and a hypocrite using double standards especially regarding the apostate"

That description fits on you. 😊

"You have NOTHING, your words are babble and you can’t even read the verses of Quran clearly without adding your own divine nonsense to them"

😀 Explain! You can't discuss. You don't have anything. 😊

"Bring it on big Shiite man"

😀 I have and I am. 😊 Nothing positive and constructive from you. 😊

Non of our major companions especially the first 3 khulafa went astray.

Let’s break this down and show it’s HATE that breads you and not LOGIC!👍

Prophet pbuh told “Them” to get out
In Shiism that means Umar ra!

This is the logic from a teacher from Pakistan representing the Shiite creed, how he or Shiism came to that conclusion........by assuming lies and creating a false image or character of the main culprit who supposedly burned down some door incident.😂

Shiism is easy because all you have is hate and lies as you keep proving time and again.😁

Now you are using the verse of Quran willy nilly on a companion without sufficient proof especially when equating “THEM” to just a Umar ra

“violating the command of Allah that "what ever the Prophet s.a.w gives you, take it and what ever he forbids refrain from it",

Ali ra also didn’t do what prophet pbuh wanted, When the Prophet pbuh asked Ali ra to erase something during the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, Ali ra refused to do so.

1) Umar are said Quran is sufficient because of His love for the prophet pbuh so He could rest.

2) Ali ra point blank REFUSED to write, an order given by prophet pbuh Himself.

Work it out ustaad DIMWIT the verse of the Quran relates more to Ali are than Umar ra completely destroying your stupidity.😂

Alhamdulillah we ain’t no ustaads/teachers but Allah swt sure has given us ahlu sunnah Aql.👍

1)you are a hypocrite for using my argument which you don’t believe of Nuwera being apostate.
2) you lied about Umar ra and tried presenting as fact

There you have it a hypocrite and a liar given with evidence.😁

Is this the positive and constructive bit you are talking about which you gave?😂😂

This is rafidhi Logic 😁

[iceman]

No they don’t differ on that apostate we are unanimous he was an apostate and then Khalid ra served under the khilafah of Umar ra whom Umar ra complained to Abu Bakr ra about before.😁

Your hate is inbred from birth about Umar ra we know, but you will use Umar’s complaint to Abu Bakr ra,the person who didn’t listen to the prophet pbuh according to your assumptions is now proof for you that Khalid was wrong??!?😂😂
You have NO logic at all you are all over the shop ustaad.😂😂

This is shiism they don’t know if they are coming or going👍

"No they don’t differ on that apostate we are unanimous he was an apostate and then Khalid ra served under the khilafah of Umar ra whom Umar ra complained to Abu Bakr ra about before"

REFERENCES 😊 Back it up 😊

"Your hate is inbred from birth about Umar ra we know"

You don't know anything about me apart from I'm a Shia. That's how you see and take me. Your hate for the Shias has been in you from day one. And it's clearly seen here 😊

"but you will use Umar’s complaint to Abu Bakr ra"

That clearly shows that I don't hate Umar. If I hated him I'd be against him everywhere 😊

"the person who didn’t listen to the prophet pbuh according to your assumptions"

I don't go by assumptions. You have to look at things separately and on a file to file basis. If a person is guilty in one case doesn't mean they're guilty everywhere. It's not that Umar didn't listen to the Prophet s.a.w, Umar disobeyed the Prophet s.a.w and violated the command of Allah.

This doesn't mean that I hate him or the man is guilty everywhere and in every place. Nor does it mean he didn't have a decent bone in his body. You don't want to accept that he did wrong. That's the point.


"is now proof for you that Khalid was wrong??"

Nice try 😊 Umar's got nothing to do with it.  Lets leave the man out of this. What is the Ahle Sunnah view in black and white and unanimously on Malik bin Nuwayrah? Bring it forward with references 😊 You haven’t put anything forward till yet.

What is the Ahle Sunnah principle about the Sahaba collectively? You believe they are all MEHFOOZ. Is that true? Can you clarify and explain this? 😊

"You have NO logic at all you are all over the shop ustaad"

I have plenty of logic which you can't put up with 😊 You're saying this just to cover your embarrassment 😊 You've got nothing 😊

"This is shiism they don’t know if they are coming or going"

Lol. Lol again. We've been around for 1400 years. Your big Imam Abu Hanifa who kicked you off was a student under Jaffar al Sadiq 😊 You've always been under us 😊 That's where you began from, under us 😊 Student who got picked up by the government and its agents to be lifted and promoted against Al Sadiq. That's where you're from. 😊

[iceman]

Non of our major companions especially the first 3 khulafa went astray.

Let’s break this down and show it’s HATE that breads you and not LOGIC!👍

Prophet pbuh told “Them” to get out
In Shiism that means Umar ra!

This is the logic from a teacher from Pakistan representing the Shiite creed, how he or Shiism came to that conclusion........by assuming lies and creating a false image or character of the main culprit who supposedly burned down some door incident.😂

Shiism is easy because all you have is hate and lies as you keep proving time and again.😁

Now you are using the verse of Quran willy nilly on a companion without sufficient proof especially when equating “THEM” to just a Umar ra

“violating the command of Allah that "what ever the Prophet s.a.w gives you, take it and what ever he forbids refrain from it",

Ali ra also didn’t do what prophet pbuh wanted, When the Prophet pbuh asked Ali ra to erase something during the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, Ali ra refused to do so.

1) Umar are said Quran is sufficient because of His love for the prophet pbuh so He could rest.

2) Ali ra point blank REFUSED to write, an order given by prophet pbuh Himself.

Work it out ustaad DIMWIT the verse of the Quran relates more to Ali are than Umar ra completely destroying your stupidity.😂

Alhamdulillah we ain’t no ustaads/teachers but Allah swt sure has given us ahlu sunnah Aql.👍

1)you are a hypocrite for using my argument which you don’t believe of Nuwera being apostate.
2) you lied about Umar ra and tried presenting as fact

There you have it a hypocrite and a liar given with evidence.😁

Is this the positive and constructive bit you are talking about which you gave?😂😂

This is rafidhi Logic 😁

"Non of our major companions especially the first 3 khulafa went astray:

Major companions? So you do categorise the companions after all 😊 I thought according to you all companions were equal and the same 😊 I thought you didn't cherry pick 😊 So you do have minor and major 😊

So you have two companions Umar Al Khattab and Malik bin Nuwayrah. Umar wasn't interested in what the Prophet s.a.w had to offer and believed that the book of Allah is sufficient for us. So there was no need for anything else.

But the Prophet s.a.w didn't believe that the book of Allah was sufficient enough otherwise he wouldn't have said "fetch me a pen and paper so I may write something for you so you don't go ASTRAY after me". If the book of Allah was sufficient for them then the Prophet s.a.w wouldn't have used the word 'ASTRAY'

Despite this Umar is still a major companion for you but Malik bin Nuwayrah refused to hand over the Zakah money to the treasury because he wasn't happy with this new government policy of taking people's hard earned money and the government now decides what to do with it which is absolutely against the Qur'an to begin with, so this companion is now branded and labelled not by all Ahle Sunnah but by some as an apostate 😊

"Prophet pbuh told “Them” to get out
In Shiism that means Umar ra!"

Lol. Why are you running forward. And then going by assumptions. Forget about 'in Shiaism this means" ask Shiaism about Shiaism and any meaning about anything rather than putting words and meanings in from yourself and based on assumptions.

The Prophet s.a.w asked for pen and paper so he may write something for them so they don't go ASTRAY after him. First point, this document was so important that without it the companions would have gone ASTRAY. Prophet's s.a.w words and not mine.

Second point, Umar objected. Not a person or individual or any companion but Umar's name is absolutely clear in it. He objected. Reason for objection Umar gave? The Prophet s.a.w is ill or seriously ill. This is no ordinary individual where one can question their health and mental state based on their illness that should a pen and paper be given to them in this situation.

But infact this was not just a Messenger of Allah from the Messengers of Allah but the greatest of all times and second in line and in command after himself. And he wasn't aware of himself but Umar had more knowledge and information about him. Umar knew better about his health and mental condition.