People of Makkah & Madinah: Disbelievers or Believers according to Shia Hadith?

[MuslimK]

Salam Alaikum,

There is Shia Hadith where the imaginary Jafar Sadiq (Shia version) calls the people of Makkah and Madinah disbelievers and hypocrites. However, I also remember reading somewhere where Jafar praise the people of both cities.

It would be great if someone quote both narrations.

Jazak'Allah khayr.

[Muhammad Tazin]

That narration, where Imam sees animals doing tawaf ?

[MuslimK]

الكافي للكلينى ج2 ص 409 الحدائق الناضرة ج5 ص183 , ج18 ص149 للمحقق البحراني [محيى بن يحيى عن أحمد بن محمد عن علي بن الحكم عن منصور بن يونس عن سليمان بن خالد عن الصادق ( عليه السلام ) قال : " اهل الشام شر من اهل الروم واهل المدينة شر من اهل مكة واهل مكة يكفرون بالله جهرة "] .


 الحدائق الناظرة للبحراني ج5 ص183 , جوهر الكلام للجواهري ج6 ص60 , وكتاب الطهارة للأنصاري ج2 ص385 , شرح اصول الكافي للمازندراني ص121 , الإمام علي (ع) للهمداني ص190 , والكافي للكليني ج2 ص 410 [ عدة من أصحابنا , عن أحمد بن محمد بن خالد , عن عثمان بن عيسى , عن سماعة , عن ابي بصير , عن أحدهم ( عليهما السلام ) قال : إن أهل مكة ليكفرون بالله جهرة وإن أهل المدينة أخبث من أهل مكة , أخبث منهم سبعين ضعفاً ]


Jafar Sadiq said: The People of Makkah openly disbelieve in Allah, and the people of Madina are worse than the people of Makkah, seventy times worse.

(al-Kafi vol.2, pg.409-410,  Jawahir al-Kalam of al-Jawahiri vo.6, pg.60, the book of Taharah of al-Ansari vol.2, pg.385)


Can someone translate this narration?

ورد فى كتاب الطهارة للأنصاري ج2 ص358 , وفى تهذيب الأحكام لطوسي ج6 ص44 , كامل الزيارات لابن قولويه ص559 , المزار لـ محمد بن المشهدي ص344 [ حدثنى حكيم بن داود عن سلمة بن الخطاب عن ابراهيم بن محمد بن علي بن المعلى عن اسحاق بن داود قال : اتى رجل ابا عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) فقال له : اني قد ضربت على كل شيئ لي من ذهب وفضة وبعت ضياعي فقلت انزل مكة ؟ فقال له : لا تفعل ان اهل مكة يكفرون بالله جهرة . فقلت ففى حرم رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) ؟ فال : هم شر منهم , قال : فاين انزل ؟ قال : عليك بالعراق الكوفة . فان البركة منها على اثنى عشر ميلا هكذا هكذا , والى جانبها قبر ما اتاه مكروب قط إلا فرج الله عنه ] .

That narration, where Imam sees animals doing tawaf ?

Don't know. Quote it please.

[Hani]

he means the thing in rafiditerminator videos

[Husayn]

Here is a few more of these ahadith:

http://www.minhajsuna.net/hiwar/takfir/34.htm

رد فى كتاب الطهارة للأنصاري ج2 ص358 , وفى تهذيب الأحكام لطوسي ج6 ص44 , كامل الزيارات لابن قولويه ص559 , المزار لـ محمد بن المشهدي ص344 [ حدثنى حكيم بن داود عن سلمة بن الخطاب عن ابراهيم بن محمد بن علي بن المعلى عن اسحاق بن داود قال : اتى رجل ابا عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) فقال له : اني قد ضربت على كل شيئ لي من ذهب وفضة وبعت ضياعي فقلت انزل مكة ؟ فقال له : لا تفعل ان اهل مكة يكفرون بالله جهرة . فقلت ففى حرم رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) ؟ فال : هم شر منهم , قال : فاين انزل ؟ قال : عليك بالعراق الكوفة . فان البركة منها على اثنى عشر ميلا هكذا هكذا , والى جانبها قبر ما اتاه مكروب قط إلا فرج الله عنه ] .

Wow, what a joke of a narration.

Summary: A person came to Abu 'Abdallah (as) and said to him "Shall I go to Makkah?" He (as) replied "No, don't do that, the people of Makkah openly disbelieve in Allah (swt)". So I said "What about the Prophet's Mosque" and he (as) replied "They are even worse". So I asked, "Where shall I go then" and he (as) said "Go to Iraq or Kufa".

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Hani will give you a much better translation.

[Husayn]

Another hadith:

الحدائق الناضرة للمحقق البحراني (1186 هـ) الجزء18 صفحة149

www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m001/02/no0240.html

وروى فيه بسنده إليه الصادق ع قال : أهل الشام شر من أهل الروم وأهل المدينة شر من أهل مكة وأهل مكة يكفرون بالله جهرة.

From as-Saqid (as): The people of Shaam are worse than the people of Rome. The people of Madina are worse than the people of Makkah. And the people of Makkah openly disbelieve in Allah (swt).

[MuslimK]

Wow, what a joke of a narration.

Summary: A person came to Abu 'Abdallah (as) and said to him "Shall I go to Makkah?" He (as) replied "No, don't do that, the people of Makkah openly disbelieve in Allah (swt)". So I said "What about the Prophet's Mosque" and he (as) replied "They are even worse". So I asked, "Where shall I go then" and he (as) said "Go to Iraq or Kufa".

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Hani will give you a much better translation.

^ hahaha! that is a funny narration. Jazak'Allah khayr.

The last line is also worthy of translation I think.

[Hadrami]

Wow, what a joke of a narration.

Summary: A person came to Abu 'Abdallah (as) and said to him "Shall I go to Makkah?" He (as) replied "No, don't do that, the people of Makkah openly disbelieve in Allah (swt)". So I said "What about the Prophet's Mosque" and he (as) replied "They are even worse". So I asked, "Where shall I go then" and he (as) said "Go to Iraq or Kufa".

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Hani will give you a much better translation.

^ hahaha! that is a funny narration. Jazak'Allah khayr.

The last line is also worthy of translation I think.

i wish all of them follow their imam's advise and stop coming to al haramain. Saudi govt shud give them flyers with that hadith

in some countries, muslim has to wait years to have any chance of going for hajj.

[Optimus Prime]

Wow, what a joke of a narration.

Summary: A person came to Abu 'Abdallah (as) and said to him "Shall I go to Makkah?" He (as) replied "No, don't do that, the people of Makkah openly disbelieve in Allah (swt)". So I said "What about the Prophet's Mosque" and he (as) replied "They are even worse". So I asked, "Where shall I go then" and he (as) said "Go to Iraq or Kufa".

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Hani will give you a much better translation.

^ hahaha! that is a funny narration. Jazak'Allah khayr.

The last line is also worthy of translation I think.

i wish all of them follow their imam's advise and stop coming to al haramain. Saudi govt shud give them flyers with that hadith

Haha, nice one brother.

[Optimus Prime]

What's really interesting is how the Imam knows they were all Kafir? Was he there? Did the narrator take account of everyone's Iman? Did he just flip a coin for each citizen and say if it falls on heads then it means your casted as a Kafir?

I can't fanthom the Imams uttering such blasphemous waffle.

[MuslimK]

^ That is how takfiri Shiism works.

[Muhammad Tazin]

I have seen Shia online reading site(al-shia.org)
There they added * marked note saying those Takfir was about Umaiyya etc.