Qadiani Tactics Similar to The Dozeners

[Hadrami]

^ It is because the lay Shias (non-scholars) believe in the full Kalima. There is no god except Allah, Muhammad is the last messenger of Allah. Some of their scholars and ancient followers may have believed that the Prophetic wahy continued in Fatima and others, but if you ask the lay Shias of today, they do not believe it.

Majority of shia scholars believe al-Qur'an has been tampered, ALL of them believe imamah is greater than nubuwwah, majority if not all of their scholars believe the people whom Allah was pleased with were backstabber kuffar which is in direct contradiction to what Allah has revealed etc

Sometimes I feel sorry for qadiyani looking at how easy shia can get away with it, but I think its more to do with their taqiya, otherwise maybe shia belief will be treated the same as qadiyani.

[Rationalist]

Ah, so if they believed that Jesus was nailed to the cross but survived (despite appearing to be dead), then they would not be in direct contradiction to the Qur'an on this one specific issue, right?

Their interpretation does not match with the mainstream belief, but they are saying that when the Romans nailed 'Jesus' they thought he died. So is that was what the Jews didn't see that he didn't die. However, he later came down in secret and went to India with a tribe.
Since the Bani Israel tribes are all over the world, the one in Kashmir supposedly traveled with 'Jesus.'


Again these areas are not something we should argue with. We need them to prove just because they believe Jesus died how is Mirza a Prophet?

Likewise with the 12ers just because Saqifa occured or Ali was sidelined how does that prove that there are 12 Imams?

[Rationalist]

Majority of shia scholars believe al-Qur'an has been tampered,

Its not majority. It cannot be. Its a minority. On the contrary, they still believe that the person who says the Quran is incomplete is a momin, but a non-12er can never be a momin.

[Hadrami]

Majority of shia scholars believe al-Qur'an has been tampered,

Its not majority. It cannot be. Its a minority. On the contrary, they still believe that the person who says the Quran is incomplete is a momin, but a non-12er can never be a momin.

majority or minority, either way it doesn't make sense if a someone say he believes in a content of a book, but at the same time also believes those who transmitted, written and collected it were a bunch of liars.