Salamun 3ala man ittab3a al-Huda,Dear admins, please make this thread a sticky, refutations or requests for refutations against the Mushrikeen of the Rafida (Majos) youtube channel (or the articles they have promised) can be posted here. An important one is the first one we are posting here with regards to our refutation to their refutations against us.
As some of you might know, the desperate Majos from the Rafida channel are on a damage control course
they are trying their utmost to save some (of what is left from their embarrassing religion of Shirk and superstitions) face. One suspiciously womanish Turbanized member of them appeared in their refutations against Anti-Majos, beating around the bush in a series of lectures. Basically, three of his episodes deal with the actual refutation of one of our most successful videos to this day:
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Our refutation in video form is here:
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The Rafidi did not release his complete refutation at once, rather episode by episode, wasting everyones time for the sake of hitting often no more than a few hundred views. Therefore our last released refutation (the video above) to them is actually based on his first lectures without much comments to his later released lectures. We didn't really bother to include more refutations in our refutation (it was ready for months but never a priority to be released), so for those who are interested, here a detailed one.
DOES ALLAH VISIT AL-HUSSEIN'S GRAVE LITERALLY OR FIGURATIVELY ACCORDING TO RAFIDA NARRATIONS - A response to their desperate interpretation attemptsTo understand why all their pathetic attempts and interpretations/Ta`wilat are futile we must read the narration carefully that Shaikh al-Wesabi mentioned in our video. Here it is:
كامل الزيارات لجعفر بن محمد بن قولويه (367 هـ) ص222 الباب 38 زيارة الأنبياء الحسين بن علي ع
www.rafed.net/books/doaa/kamil/k09.html#120[326] 4 - حدثني أبي وأخي وجماعة مشايخي عن محمد بن يحيى وأحمد بن إدريس عن حمدان بن سليمان النيسابوري عن عبد الله بن محمد اليماني عن منيع بن حجاج عن يونس عن صفوان الجمال قال: قال لي أبو عبد الله (ع) لما أتى الحيرة: هل لك في قبر الحسين (ع) قلت: وتزوره جعلت فداك قال: وكيف لا أزوره والله يزوره في كل ليلة جمعة يهبط مع الملائكة إليه والأنبياء والأوصياء ومحمد أفضل الأنبياء ونحن أفضل الأوصياء فقال صفوان: جعلت فداك فنزوره في كل جمعة حتى ندرك زيارة الرب قال: نعم يا صفوان ألزم ذلك يكتب لك زيارة قبر الحسين (ع) وذلك تفضيل وذلك تفضيل
[...] Abu 'Abdillah (Imam al-Sadiq) asked me (Safwan al-Jammal, the narrator), "Do you perform the Ziyarah (visitation) to the grave of al-Hussein (as)?" I said, “May I be your ransom! Do you perform the Ziyarah?" The Imam replied, "How could I not perform his Ziyarah when Allah Himself visits him on every Thursday night and descends with the Angels, the Prophets and the Awsiya' (Successors) and Muhammad is the best of all the Prophets and we are the best of all the Awsiya' (Successors)." I (Safwan) said, “May I be your ransom! So shall we visit [al-Hussein] every Thursday night so that we can catch up with the Ziyarah of your Lord [Allah!]?" He said, "Yes, O Safwan [...]"
Source: Kamil al-Ziyarat, p. 222, chapter 38, by Ja'far ibn Muhammad Qulawayh. Also in the Bihar of al-Majlisi, in Wasa`il al-Shi'ah by al-Hurr al-'Amili, al-Kafi by al-Kulaini and Madinah al-Ma'ajiz by Hashim al-BahraniRAFIDA APOLEGTIC ARGUMENT #1: Ziyarah (visitation) of Allah to the shrine stands for Him paying His attention to it i.e. sending His blessing, mercy etc. on it!The Rafidi's argument is that Ziyarah (visit) of Allah actually means a whole lot of things except actual visitation in the literal sense. How so? He first (in Ep5) quotes one Arabic dictionary (followed by some Iranian Ayatullats like Milani) to prove that Ziyarah includes the meaning of paying attention to someone or something. This is correct, but what he fails to understand is that "Ziyarah of Allah" is never used in the Arabic language to express "Allah's attention to someone/something", no Muslim sect have ever made such a repulsive claim, except, well, except the Twelver Shia Rafida of course.
Classical Arabic dictionaries define Ziyarah as:
: زيارة - اسم
مصدر زارَ
زيارة الأصدقاء / المرضى ،
بِطاقَة زيارة : بطاقة مطبوع عليها اسم الزائر كاملاً وغرض زيارته
زِيارَةُ : إتيان بقصد التبرُّك أو الحج
Translation:
- Ziyarah is a noun it's root word is Zaar
- VISITING friends, the sick.
- Ziyarah: Having the intention of seeking blessings or going to HAJJ
It is clear that the meaning of Ziyarah is the literal visitation of someone or something, that of course includes ones attention. We ask the Rafida who desperately try to waterdown the disastrous content of their narration:
When did the Arabs and Muslims ever use the expression of "Allah's visit to X or Y's grave" for "Allah paying attention to something/someone"? There is no such an expression neither in the classical Arabic language nor Islamic tradition. Neither Allah nor His Messenger (saws) have ever taught us about the visitation (in any shape or form) of the Creator to anyones grave, no dream (or Rafidi fabrication) of anyone will change this fact.
Now of course the Rafida will keep arguing (and he did so in his refutation) that nonetheless they have their own understanding of what "Ziyarah of Allah" means, which is understandable, after all they are in a dilemma, they have to somehow explain away the disturbing content of their narration to their gullible followers. The feminine Rafidi in his refutation does it by mentioning how his scholars (desperately) tried to explain the Ziyarah of Allah to the grave of Hussein by making amusing double-Ta`wils (interpretation of the interpretation
) by first claming that "Ziyarah of Allah to Hussein's grave" actually means "Allah paying attention to Hussein" and "paying attention to Hussein" must mean "Allah sending his special reverences and blessings on Hussein".
As you can see, nothing but desperation upon desperation all due to the disturbing content of the narration that has given the later Mu'attila Jahmiyyah Rafida (i.e. modern day Rafida) very hard times, to this very day. The narration itself stems from hardcore Mujassimah and Mushabbiha (the alleged students of their Imams) who have lied upon the Ahl al-Bayt. Anyway, the Rafidi mentions two of his scholars who had dwelled in such far-fetched Ta`wil acrobatics that will convince nobody but a fool. His two main points:
- Allah paying attention to Hussein as in actually means "Him sending His special reverence and blessings" on him (he quotes "Alaaaamah" akbar Zindiq al-Majlisi). He then accuses Shaikh Khalid al-Wesabi (the Yemeni Shaikh in our clip) of deception for not mentioning what a Zindiq (like al-Majlisi) commented with regards to how the Rafida understand such narration. He doesn't understand that the apologetic and desperate Ta`wil attempt of a Zindiq like al-Majlisi are of nobodies interest as the narration leaves no room for Ta`wil (which we shall prove)
- He then mentions another Zindiq called Amini (the idiot reads it with without a ي not knowing, not knowing that the name Amini (أميني) in Arabic includes two ي, thus it should be pronounced as "AMEENEE". These Zindiqs can't even pronounce the names of their own Ayatullats!) who of course also attempted to somehow waterdown the disastrous content of the narration by claiming that "Allah visiting Hussain's grave" could mean "Allah manifests his glory" (at the shrine) or "Allah sends His special blessing" to the Shirk infested shrine.
RAFIDA MISSING THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
The problem is that the Rafidi doesn't even understand that we (and Shaikh al-Wesabi) are well aware that the likes of al-Majlisi and modern day Rafida DO NOT take these kind of narrations (Allah visiting a shrine) in the literal sense, we are well aware that they do (desperate) Ta`wil, however, this is irrelevant, they also do Ta`wil on all of Allah's attributes in the Qur'an (like the Jahmiyyah Mu'attila they are), the crux of the matter is that their narration is thoroughly anthropomorphic in nature and leaves nor room for interpretations, the text of the narration proves beyond doubt that an actual visit of Allah to a grave is intended.
RAFIDA ARGUMENT #2: Allah descending on the tomb/shrine stands for Him sending down His blessings
Of course he also argues that the part of the narration that speaks about "Allah descending" has been (deliberately) mispresented by the "evil" Salafis/Wahhabis due to their literalist approach. What he fails to understand is that Shaikh al-Wesabi and Anti-Majos are well aware of their desperate interpretation attempts, the point however is that no interpretation really makes sense, in fact the complete narration (he never reads the last part) refutes his entire premise.
As a reminder, this is the part he tries to waterdown:
"... The Imam replied, "How could I not perform his Ziyarah when Allah Himself visits him on every Thursday night and descends with the Angels, the Prophets ..."The Rafidi in an attempt to explain this away cites a verse (and a Rafidi narration) as a support of how the word يحبط (He i.e. Allah descends) actually could stand for "Allah sending down his blessings, mercy etc.", however, the last part of the narration (that he, as mentioned does not even comment on) completely negates such a interpretation.
THE WOMANISH RAFIDI IGNORES THE LAST PART OF THE NARRATION
In episode 6 he only shows the last part (read by Shaikh al-Wesabi) of the narration that, however, he doesn't further comment on it but rather employs his Hawzawi sorcery to distract the viewers with random rants of how the Rafida do generally Ta`wil, followed by attacks on a number of Sahabah (based on his fabricated narrations) with an fabricated Jahmi-Rafidi narration attributed to Imam al-Rida.
Anyway, the part he chose to ignore (for an obvious reason) is of course the following:
"...I (Safwan) said, “May I be your ransom! So shall we visit [al-Hussein] every Thursday night so that we can catch up with the Ziyarah of your Lord [Allah!]?" He said, "Yes, O Safwan [...]"That last part above is the actual final nail in the coffin of the Rafida. Sure, they are free to invent far-fetched acrobatic interpretations all day long, however, they will never be able to satisfy a real truth-seeking heart and mind (actual intellect ...), for there is no doubt that the narration leaves no room for their desperate interpretation attempts for the simply following reasons:
- If the so called Ziyarah of Allah stands for "Allah paying attention" i.e. "sending His blessings/mercy on the shrine" then how can anyone "catch up" (!) with Allah on that, on a Thursday night?
- If Allah descending stands for "Allah sending down his blessings/mercy etc. on the shrine" then how can anyone "catch up" (!) with on that, on a Thursday night?Remember, the Zindiq narrator allegedly asked Imam al-Sadiq if they shall visit the tomb every Thursday night so that they can
catch up with the visitation of Allah! The statement of the Zindiq narrator (Safwan), clearly proves to everyone with actual intellect that the Rafidi attempts to waterdown the apparent meaning of the narration hold no waters. Do the Rafida really want us to believe that it is possible to catch up with "the blessings and mercy" that Allah sends on a shrine? How is that possible?
How can the Womanish Rafidi from the Rafida channel explain this to the world? Maybe with more highly farfetched explanatory acrobatics? It is of course impossible and all their desperate Ta`wilat (interpretations to waterdown an actual visit) were never intended by the Zindiqs who fabricated the narration in the first place. The Zindiqs who fabricated it actually believed in a literal race, a literal visitation between them and Allah to the tomb of al-Hussein (رضي الله عنه و قاتل الله الرافضة المشركون).