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Title: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 11, 2016, 12:10:53 AM
Al-Salamu `Aleykum,

I made a video explaining the flawed rules and the disaster which is the Shia Mutah Marriage.



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Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Abubakar on July 11, 2016, 11:16:29 PM
A very nice and educative video.

My first time of seeing brother Hani's face though  :D
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: fgss on July 12, 2016, 06:12:20 PM
Really nice informative video brother Hani.
You should also make short videos about other major shia-sunni conflicts or about some lesser known facts like this, if possible.

I am also seeing him first time. Firstly I thought hani is a girl  :)
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 12, 2016, 08:03:15 PM
How is Hani a Giirl!!? LooL, unless you're Korean : p
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: fgss on July 12, 2016, 08:10:50 PM
No, not now. When I first saw this name Hani, few years back. Its like a girl's name. That's why  ???
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 12, 2016, 09:22:55 PM
No, not now. When I first saw this name Hani, few years back. Its like a girl's name. That's why  ???
Nice to see you here brother.

Question for Hani: Did Mutah marriages take place during the lifetime of the Prophet?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on July 13, 2016, 02:59:13 AM
the topic is about, the Shia rules about Mutah, which Hani wants to show that they don't have any related to what was practiced before it was made forbidden.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 03:31:59 AM
the topic is about, the Shia rules about Mutah, which Hani wants to show that they don't have any related to what was practiced before it was made forbidden.

We are not there yet. For you guys, I am going to keep it real simple so first, are we in agreement that mutah used to take place during the lifetime of the Prophet?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on July 13, 2016, 04:42:03 AM
the topic is about, the Shia rules about Mutah, which Hani wants to show that they don't have any related to what was practiced before it was made forbidden.

We are not there yet. For you guys, I am going to keep it real simple so first, are we in agreement that mutah used to take place during the lifetime of the Prophet?
Follow the topic. Derailing the topic is a typical Shia tactics to cover the blunders in their fiqh.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 05:04:56 AM
the topic is about, the Shia rules about Mutah, which Hani wants to show that they don't have any related to what was practiced before it was made forbidden.

We are not there yet. For you guys, I am going to keep it real simple so first, are we in agreement that mutah used to take place during the lifetime of the Prophet?
Follow the topic. Derailing the topic is a typical Shia tactics to cover the blunders in their fiqh.

How am I derailing when I am talking about mutah?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on July 13, 2016, 05:11:43 AM
the topic is about, the Shia rules about Mutah, which Hani wants to show that they don't have any related to what was practiced before it was made forbidden.

We are not there yet. For you guys, I am going to keep it real simple so first, are we in agreement that mutah used to take place during the lifetime of the Prophet?
Follow the topic. Derailing the topic is a typical Shia tactics to cover the blunders in their fiqh.

How am I derailing when I am talking about mutah?

Its about RULES of Mutah as per Shias, the topic isn't about legitimacy of Mutah, Hani has kept that for some other day.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 05:32:46 AM
the topic is about, the Shia rules about Mutah, which Hani wants to show that they don't have any related to what was practiced before it was made forbidden.

We are not there yet. For you guys, I am going to keep it real simple so first, are we in agreement that mutah used to take place during the lifetime of the Prophet?
Follow the topic. Derailing the topic is a typical Shia tactics to cover the blunders in their fiqh.

How am I derailing when I am talking about mutah?

Its about RULES of Mutah as per Shias, the topic isn't about legitimacy of Mutah, Hani has kept that for some other day.

Have you seen the video? What is the first thing he says about mutah?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: fgss on July 13, 2016, 09:14:59 AM
Nice to see you here brother.

Same here brother. I hope SC will be back soon without any losses  :)
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on July 13, 2016, 03:34:11 PM
the topic is about, the Shia rules about Mutah, which Hani wants to show that they don't have any related to what was practiced before it was made forbidden.

We are not there yet. For you guys, I am going to keep it real simple so first, are we in agreement that mutah used to take place during the lifetime of the Prophet?
Follow the topic. Derailing the topic is a typical Shia tactics to cover the blunders in their fiqh.

How am I derailing when I am talking about mutah?

Its about RULES of Mutah as per Shias, the topic isn't about legitimacy of Mutah, Hani has kept that for some other day.

Have you seen the video? What is the first thing he says about mutah?

Again, dont behave in a typical Shia way, don't cherry pick statements. The purpose of the video has been mentioned clearly in the first post by Hani. Which is regarding Rules of Mutah. That is the whole purpose of the video, if you ever watched it.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 13, 2016, 05:12:50 PM
Do you accept the clear narrations where the Prophet (saw) bans Mutah?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 06:51:39 PM
Do you accept the clear narrations where the Prophet (saw) bans Mutah?

That is the discussion to be had. But first, do you agree that mutah used to take place during the life of the Prophet and in fact it was permissible in Islam to do so until the Prophet allegedly banned it. If it was allowed, what were the rules under which it was allowed and how are those rules different from how the shia today do it?

While Noor-Us-Sunnah may disagree with my line of questioning, we have to start from basics to get to the truth as I am sure you will agree.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 14, 2016, 03:45:20 AM
Mut`ah was originally forbidden, then allowed as a Rukhsah by the Prophet (saw) for a circumstance then later forbidden again.

Ibn `Abbas himself says it was practiced as Rukhsah in extreme times of war when their wives were not allowed. This is the Companion you guys often quote, what wars are you having today sir? Rules of Mut`ah of your sect are all invented by your sect, there's no evidence that this was the same Mut`ah that was allowed in the above circumstance.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 14, 2016, 04:00:33 AM
While Noor-Us-Sunnah may disagree with my line of questioning, we have to start from basics to get to the truth as I am sure you will agree.

Translation, I will perform logical gymnastics, pull-off semantics and hopefully you will give up.  Whereas our approach is simple; you catch a lie, you nip it in the bud.  Basic common sense dictates that liars and those who are guilty wish to buy as much time as possible.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 14, 2016, 05:08:14 AM
While Noor-Us-Sunnah may disagree with my line of questioning, we have to start from basics to get to the truth as I am sure you will agree.

Translation, I will perform logical gymnastics, pull-off semantics and hopefully you will give up.  Whereas our approach is simple; you catch a lie, you nip it in the bud.  Basic common sense dictates that liars and those who are guilty wish to buy as much time as possible.

If Hani wasn't biased, he would compare mutah as performed during the time of the Prophet to how it is performed by the shia today. Even if it was banned during the Prophet's life, he would have compared pre-banned mutah to today.

Quick question: while mutah was allowed during G the life of the Prophet, was it okay or do you find it to be wrong then too?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on July 14, 2016, 05:28:00 AM
Strange! Why are you offended when what Hani did was just expose or share the Shia RULES about Mutah from the books of Shia scholars.

Sharing the view of Shia scholars makes Hani biased. Typical Shia criticism. :p
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 14, 2016, 05:35:48 AM
Quick question: while mutah was allowed during G the life of the Prophet, was it okay or do you find it to be wrong then too?

You Shias ask too many questions to introduce new angles to a discussion whereas we nip your concerns in the bud.  I will make it very simple.  I will become a Shia tomorrow if you find me one decent Shia brother who is willing to give me his sister, wife or daughter in mutah.  I'm ready, bismillah!
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 14, 2016, 06:17:47 AM
Quick question: while mutah was allowed during G the life of the Prophet, was it okay or do you find it to be wrong then too?

You Shias ask too many questions to introduce new angles to a discussion whereas we nip your concerns in the bud.  I will make it very simple.  I will become a Shia tomorrow if you find me one decent Shia brother who is willing to give me his sister, wife or daughter in mutah.  I'm ready, bismillah!
Too many questions/angles? It was a pretty simple question. When discussing the rules of mutah, the natural question that came to my mind was how did it compare to the rules during the Prophet's time. It is okay if you can't answer but this video becomes  quite pointless.

Now as your claim that you will become shia if you can find a shia girl to do mutah with. What makes you think any shia girl would have you? They have standards. Also I just confirmed from our secret mutah organization. There is a waiting list for your kind to enter the mutah club. To date none of you have qualified to enter. Failed the minimal IQ test.

Back to the question - rules of mutah during the life of the Prophet and was it okay to do while it was allowed?
New question - the women who entered into mutah back then, we're they anyone's daughter or sister?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 14, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
While Noor-Us-Sunnah may disagree with my line of questioning, we have to start from basics to get to the truth as I am sure you will agree.

Translation, I will perform logical gymnastics, pull-off semantics and hopefully you will give up.  Whereas our approach is simple; you catch a lie, you nip it in the bud.  Basic common sense dictates that liars and those who are guilty wish to buy as much time as possible.

If Hani wasn't biased, he would compare mutah as performed during the time of the Prophet to how it is performed by the shia today. Even if it was banned during the Prophet's life, he would have compared pre-banned mutah to today.

Quick question: while mutah was allowed during G the life of the Prophet, was it okay or do you find it to be wrong then too?

Regardless of the rules. When it was allowed it wasn't Zinah, after the ban it's considered Zinah.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 14, 2016, 04:24:17 PM
Quick question: while mutah was allowed during G the life of the Prophet, was it okay or do you find it to be wrong then too?

You Shias ask too many questions to introduce new angles to a discussion whereas we nip your concerns in the bud.  I will make it very simple.  I will become a Shia tomorrow if you find me one decent Shia brother who is willing to give me his sister, wife or daughter in mutah.  I'm ready, bismillah!
Too many questions/angles? It was a pretty simple question. When discussing the rules of mutah, the natural question that came to my mind was how did it compare to the rules during the Prophet's time. It is okay if you can't answer but this video becomes  quite pointless.

Now as your claim that you will become shia if you can find a shia girl to do mutah with. What makes you think any shia girl would have you? They have standards. Also I just confirmed from our secret mutah organization. There is a waiting list for your kind to enter the mutah club. To date none of you have qualified to enter. Failed the minimal IQ test.

Back to the question - rules of mutah during the life of the Prophet and was it okay to do while it was allowed?
New question - the women who entered into mutah back then, we're they anyone's daughter or sister?

We already gave you one of its rules, as stated by ibn Abbas. It already conflicts with your Shia circus.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 14, 2016, 05:54:00 PM
Too many questions/angles? It was a pretty simple question. When discussing the rules of mutah, the natural question that came to my mind was how did it compare to the rules during the Prophet's time. It is okay if you can't answer but this video becomes quite pointless.

What is natural is to know and accept is that the practice is haraam.  The real question is, why do you defend a haraam practice?

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Now as your claim that you will become shia if you can find a shia girl to do mutah with. What makes you think any shia girl would have you? They have standards. Also I just confirmed from our secret mutah organization. There is a waiting list for your kind to enter the mutah club. To date none of you have qualified to enter. Failed the minimal IQ test.

Again, a logical fallacy.  You built your own premise in the very first sentence and then attacked it as though you were refuting me.  I did not say I want to find a Shia girl to do mutah with; I asked you (since you are a man, at least anatomically) to find me a Shia brother who would happily allow me to enter into a mutah contract with his wife, sister or daughter.  And the reason why I asked such a question is to appeal to gheera of those who seem to have lost it. 

It is easy to claim for something to be halaal when you are on the receiving end of pleasure with money being the only liability and after intercourse, "Allah creates for every drop (of water) that drops from him seventy angels seeking forgiveness for him until the day of the resurrection and cursing the avoider of it (i.e. of mut`a) until the Hour rises". 

If mutah is Sunnah, I want to see Shia brothers motivate their women as much as they motivate their men (to take part in this Sunnah).  After all, it is another Shia hadith which states, "And by the isnad from Ibn `Isa from Ibn al-Hajjaj from al-`Ala from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: He said to me: Have you done mut`a?  I said: No.  He said: Do not leave the world until you have revived the Sunnah."

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New question - the women who entered into mutah back then, we're they anyone's daughter or sister?

I repeat, I am willing to become Shia today if a Shia brother happily allows for me to enter in mutah with his daughter, sister or wife tomorrow.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Abu Muhammad on July 14, 2016, 06:09:07 PM
ShiaMan,

You want the rules during the lifetime of Rasulullah s.a.w., please take your time to read this...

(For full article,  go to this link...
http://mahajjah.com/the-prohibition-of-mutah-in-light-of-the-rulings-of-the-ulama%ca%bc-of-ahl-al-bayt/)

The Reality of Mut`ah in the Early Years of Islam

The form of Mut`ah that was permitted in the earlier years of Islam is in no way the same as the Mut`ah described in the books of the Shi`ah. The Mut`ah practiced by the Shi`ah is zina and has never been permitted for any individual in this ummah. Zina is a vile and immoral act, which is detested in the shari`ah of Islam. In fact, the shari`ah has stipulated severe punishments for the perpetrators of zina, in order to safeguard one’s honour and chastity, and put an end to this illicit practice.

 
Mowlana Muhammad Idris Khandhlawi rahimahu Llah writes:

 
The Mut`ah that was permissible, i.e. not prohibited, in the early years of Islam was actually Nikah Muwaqqat. Nikah Muwaqqat is when a person marries a woman for a fixed period, in the presence of witnesses and with the permission of the representative of the bride. When the stipulated period expires then she was separated from him without talaq but it was incumbent upon her to observe a period of waiting of one menstrual cycle, in order to confirm that no child was conceived from this marriage. This form of nikah had a doubtful status, between that of an orthodox marriage and zina.

In Nikah Muwaqqat it was essential for it to be performed before witnesses and with the permission of the representative of the bride. If another person wished to marry her thereafter then he would have to wait until the period of waiting of one menstrual cycle was completed, and marriage before that was not permissible.[6]

 
This makes it clear that the Mut`ah which was permitted in the early period of Islam is not the same as the Mut`ah propagated by the Shi`ah. They are entirely different and in fact contradict each other. This was in actual fact Nikah Muwaqqat and not the Shi`ah Mut`ah. The words of nikah and marriage are clearly mentioned in narrations.

 
1. `Abd Allah ibn Mas`ud radiya Llahu `anhu says:

 
فرخص لنا ذلك ان نتزوج المرؤة

We were permitted to perform nikah (Mut`ah) with a woman.[7]

 
In another narration it is mentioned:

 
نهى عن نكاح متعة

Nikah al-Mut`ah was prohibited.[8]

 
Imam al-Bukhari rahimahu Llah, Imam Muslim rahimahu Llah, Imam al-Tirmidhi rahimahu Llah and other Muhaddithin have all dedicated separate chapters to the topic of Nikah al-Mut`ah, where they prove that it was a formal nikah. The words of marriage mentioned in these narrations prove beyond doubt that this Mut`ah is not the same as the Mut`ah of the Shi`ah, and in fact this was Nikah Muwaqqat.

 
المتعة المذكورة هى نكاح الموقت

The Mut`ah mentioned (in these narrations) is actually Nikah Muwaqqat.[9]

 
Mowlana Shabbir Ahmad `Uthmani rahimahu Llah writes:

 
ان المتعة التى ياثرها من الصحابة انما كات لبى اجل اعنى النكاح الموقت و هكذا وقع فى حديث بسرة عند ابن جرير بلفظ تزوجتها كان هو النكاح الموقت

The Mut`ah which the Sahabah radiya Llahu `anhum mention is in actual fact Nikah Muwaqqat. The narration of Busrah radiya Llahu `anhu, reported by Ibn Jarir rahimahu Llah, which contains the words tazwij (to wed) proves that this was Nikah Muwaqqat.”[10]

 
One can easily conclude that the Mut`ah which was permitted in the early years of Islam was in actual fact Nikah Muwaqqat. According to the elucidation of the `ulamaʼ of Ahl al-Sunnah in this form of nikah it was incumbent upon the husband to provide maintenance and shelter to the wife as opposed to the Mut`ah which the Shi`ah describe. Once again one should bear in mind that this very Nikah Muwaqqat was also prohibited by Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam through divine decree, yet the Shi`i Mut`ah continues to remain permissible.

 
اِنَّا لِلّٰهِ وَ اِنَّا اِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُوْنَ

To Allah do we belong and unto him shall we return.

 
2. In addition, Nikah Muwaqqat was not permitted for a long period. Instead it was permitted for only three days under extreme circumstances. Allamah al-Qurtubi rahimahu Llah writes:

 
الروايات كلها متفقه على ان زمن اباحة المتعة لم يبطل

All the narrations are agreed on one point that the period when Mut`ah was permitted was extremely short.[11]

 
This means that all the ahadith support the fact that Nikah Muwaqqat was permitted only for a few days. Some narrations mention that it was permitted for three days only, after which it was announced that it has been forbidden perpetually. After Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam has decreed its prohibition then no person has the authority to issue a ruling of its permissibility.

Whichever person or group issues a ruling of its permissibility will in other words be claiming to have the right of nubuwwah and will be defying the din of Islam, after which it is impossible to include such a person in the fold of Islam.

3. Nikah Muwaqqat would take place in the presence of witnesses and with the permission of the representative of the bride. This did not take place in secret and was not a covert affair. Instead it was public and made known to all that a certain woman had entered into Nikah Muwaqqat with a certain man.

On the contrary those who perform Mut`ah do not have the courage to make such a public announcement nor will they ever have because they are committing zina and fornicators lack such ability. Mowlana Shabbir Ahmad `Uthmani rahimahu Llah writes:

 
كان هو النكاح الموقت بحضرة الشهود كما يدل عليه حديث سليمان بن يسار عن ام عبد الله بنت ابلا خيثمة عن رجل من اصحاب النبى (صلى الله عليه و سلم) فى قصة عند ابن جرير و فيه فشارطها و اشهدوا على ذلك عدولا

This was Nikah Muwaqqat which took place before witnesses, just as the narration of Sulayman ibn Yasar, reported by Umm `Abd Allah, the daughter of Abu Khaythamah, from a Sahabi of Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam and which Ibn Jarir referred to, proves that this condition was made with a woman and two reliable individuals witnessed this.[12]

 
Mowlana Muhammad Idris Khandhlawi rahimahu Llah writes:

In this form of Nikah al-Mut`ah was necessary for the proposal and acceptance as well as the permission of the representative to occur before witnesses.[13]

 
Ibn `Atiyah rahimahu Llah writes:

 
و كانت المتعة ان يتزوج الرجل بشاهدين و اذن الولى الى اجل مسمى

Mut`ah was when a man married a woman before two witnesses and the permission of the bride’s representative until a stipulate time.[14]

 
When differentiating between Nikah Muwaqqat and Mut`ah, the fuqaha’ write:

 
و عدم اشتراطها للشهود فى المتعة و فى الموقت الشهود

Mut`ah (of the Shi`ah) witnesses are not required and in Nikah Muwaqqat they are.[15]

 
Mowlana Muhammad Hasan Samali rahimahu Llah writes:

 
ان حضور الشهود غير مشروط فى المتعة و امدنما هى فى الموقت و هذا هو الفرق بينهما

Witnesses are not a condition (for it to be valid) in Mut`ah whereas it is a condition in Nikah Muwaqqat, and this is the difference between the two.[16]

 
It is evident from these references that in Nikah Muwaqqat, which was permitted in the early years of Islam, witnesses, permission of the bride and public announcement were all essential whereas it is not required in the Shi`i Mut`ah. Ponder deeply over the differences between the two.

If you are unsatisfied with the statements of the `Ulamaʼ Ahl al-Sunnah then listen to the Shi`i scholar Shaykh al-Tusi, who affirms our substantiation. Mu`alla ibn Khunays says that he asked Imam Ja`far al-Sadiq rahimahu Llah:

 
و جعلت فداك كان المسلمون على عهد النبى (صلى الله عليه و سلم و أله) يتزوجون بغير بغية؟ قال لا

May I be sacrificed for you! Did the Muslims marry without witnesses during the time of Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam? Imam Ja`far al-Sadiq replied: “No!”[17]

 
Shaykh al-Tusi writes:

 
انهم ما تزوجوا الا ببينة و ذلك هو افضل

Verily they would not marry without witnesses and this is best.[18]

 
We learn from this that the Nikah Muwaqqat that was permitted in the early period of Islam would occur in the presence of two witnesses and they never performed a nikah without witnesses being present. However, despite them adhering to this, Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam still announced its prohibition. Where is Mut`ah from Nikah Muwaqqat? Mut`ah was never permitted before or after and nor can it be ever permitted.

4. The permission that was granted for Nikah Muwaqqat was given in extreme circumstances and not permitted for every single individual. `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu, whom the Shi`ah cite as proof the most, explained the circumstances in which it was permitted and the level of its permissibility, when the ruling of its permissibility was attributed to him. He said:

 
و الله ما بهذا افتيت ولا اردت ولا احللت منها الا ما احل الله من الميتة و الدم و لحم الخنزير

I take an oath by Allah, I never issued any such ruling nor have I intended to do so. I have not permitted anything from it except to the extent of what Allah has made permissible from carrion, blood and the meat of pigs.

It is narrated that his servant once asked him regarding this, that if it was only permitted in extreme conditions and he replied that it was.[19]

 
Ibn Abi `Amrah radiya Llahu `anhu also says:

 
انها كانت رخصة فى اول الاسلام لمن اضطر اليها كالميتة و الدم و لحم الخنزير ثم لحكم الله الدين و نهى عنه

Nikah Muwaqqat was permitted in the early years of Islam for those in extreme circumstances, just as carrion, blood and meat of pigs (is permitted in extreme circumstances), then Allah established the laws of din and forbade it.[20]

 
One learns from this that Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu denied the outright permissibility of Nikah Muwaqqat and that it was never his intention to rule on its permissibility. Instead he only regarded it as permissible in extreme circumstances, just as it is permissible for a person to consume carrion, blood or swine in extremes circumstances, and there will be no admonishment for doing so.

However, not one single person claims that they are halal in all circumstances. These laws pertain to extreme circumstances and not in normal conditions and Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu even went as far as displaying his abhorrence to its permissibility by including it with the likes of carrion, blood and swine.

Nevertheless, one should keep in mind that when Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu heard the proofs and substantiations of `Ali radiya Llahu `anhu and the other Sahabah radiya Llahu `anhum he withdrew his previous opinion and ruled that it is forbidden in all circumstances. In doing so he removed any chance of its permissibility.

5. This permissibility of Nikah Muwaqqat was only allowed when on journey and was not permitted for those residing in the town. Imam Tahawi rahimahu Llah writes:

 
كل هؤلاء الذين رووا عن النبى (صلى الله عليه و سلم) اطلاقها اجزوا انها كات فى سفر و ان النهى لحقها فى ذلك فمنع منها و ليس احد منهم يجز انها كانت فى حضر و كذلك روى عن ابن مسعود

All those who narrated that Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam had permitted Mut`ah, narrate that it was permissible on journey and it was prohibited in that very same journey. Not one single narrator reported that this permissibility was when residing at home, as is apparent from the narration of Ibn Mas`ud radiya Llahu `anhu that this applies only while on journey.[21]

 
Imam Hazimi rahimahu Llah says:

 
و انما كان ذلك فى اسفارهم و لم يبلغنا ان النبى (صلى الله عليه و سلم) اباحة لهم عى بيوتهم

This permissibility was only while on journey and not one single narration has reached us that Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam permit it for them while residing in their homes.[22]

 
One learns from the narrations of hadith that its prohibition was revealed whilst on that very journey and Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam ordered the Sahabah to separate from those women. This makes it clear that

This was restricted to that journey and was not permitted while at home.
Its prohibition was announced in this very journey.
 
Since Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam announced its prohibition until the Day of Qiyamah in accordance to Allah’s decree, whether on journey or at home it is forbidden in all circumstances.

The Iranian president Rafsanjani, abandons all these proofs and permits it entirely, saying that one can perform Mut`ah wherever one pleases. Whereas this permission was only granted for a short period of time whilst on a journey and thereafter prohibited. The level to which the Iranian president has stooped to defame the noble teachings of Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam is indeed disgusting.

6. It was incumbent in Nikah Muwaqqat that when the couple separates, the woman should observe a period of waiting equivalent to one menstrual cycle. She should not marry any other during this period of waiting so that there will be no doubt to the parentage of the child had she conceived. `Ammar says that he asked `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu:

 
هل عليها عدة قال نعم حيضة

Does she have to observe a period of waiting and he replied: “Yes, one menstrual cycle.”[23]

 
This implies that if she did conceive then the child will be named after his father. This is the reason why witnesses and the representative of the bride were necessary, so that they will be able to bear witness that it is his child.

However, according to the Shi`ah definition of Mut`ah there is neither need for witnesses, representative of the bride nor any need for public announcement. This would imply that if the woman does conceive then the child will have no father. It is uncertain with how many men she might have performed Mut`ah with, in nine months. Will any person be willing to take responsibility in such a case?

Even the initial condition of Nikah Muwaqqat has been abrogated and its prohibition announced until the Day of Qiyamah. Now if any person were to rule on its permissibility then it will be direct contradiction with the law of shari`ah, which will open the doors of sin, shamelessness and immorality, which Islam strictly opposes.

In essence the narration of `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu permitting Mut`ah should be read with the explanations mentioned above and then one should decide whether Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu actually regarded it as permissible or not. The truth of the matter is that he did not, especially after hearing the proofs from `Ali radiya Llahu `anhu, Muhammad ibn Hanafiyyah rahimahu Llah as well as the other Sahabah. He then withdrew his previous opinion regarding Mut`ah and announced his repentance from his previous opinion.

Now for anyone to claim that Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu regarded it as opinion is a great injustice and a complete fabrication.

Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 14, 2016, 09:34:46 PM
Regardless of the rules. When it was allowed it wasn't Zinah, after the ban it's considered Zinah.
glad you clarified that. so then the discussion is whether it was disallowed or not?

We already gave you one of its rules, as stated by ibn Abbas. It already conflicts with your Shia circus.
Which one?

I repeat, I am willing to become Shia today if a Shia brother happily allows for me to enter in mutah with his daughter, sister or wife tomorrow.
Perhaps in your world, you force women into marriages and submision. Not in shia world. Find a shia girl who is willing and then we can talk.

Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 14, 2016, 09:47:43 PM
ShiaMan,

You want the rules during the lifetime of Rasulullah s.a.w., please take your time to read this...

(For full article,  go to this link...
http://mahajjah.com/the-prohibition-of-mutah-in-light-of-the-rulings-of-the-ulama%ca%bc-of-ahl-al-bayt/)

The Reality of Mut`ah in the Early Years of Islam

The form of Mut`ah that was permitted in the earlier years of Islam is in no way the same as the Mut`ah described in the books of the Shi`ah. The Mut`ah practiced by the Shi`ah is zina and has never been permitted for any individual in this ummah. Zina is a vile and immoral act, which is detested in the shari`ah of Islam. In fact, the shari`ah has stipulated severe punishments for the perpetrators of zina, in order to safeguard one’s honour and chastity, and put an end to this illicit practice.

 
Mowlana Muhammad Idris Khandhlawi rahimahu Llah writes:

 
The Mut`ah that was permissible, i.e. not prohibited, in the early years of Islam was actually Nikah Muwaqqat. Nikah Muwaqqat is when a person marries a woman for a fixed period, in the presence of witnesses and with the permission of the representative of the bride. When the stipulated period expires then she was separated from him without talaq but it was incumbent upon her to observe a period of waiting of one menstrual cycle, in order to confirm that no child was conceived from this marriage. This form of nikah had a doubtful status, between that of an orthodox marriage and zina.

In Nikah Muwaqqat it was essential for it to be performed before witnesses and with the permission of the representative of the bride. If another person wished to marry her thereafter then he would have to wait until the period of waiting of one menstrual cycle was completed, and marriage before that was not permissible.[6]

 
This makes it clear that the Mut`ah which was permitted in the early period of Islam is not the same as the Mut`ah propagated by the Shi`ah. They are entirely different and in fact contradict each other. This was in actual fact Nikah Muwaqqat and not the Shi`ah Mut`ah. The words of nikah and marriage are clearly mentioned in narrations.

 
1. `Abd Allah ibn Mas`ud radiya Llahu `anhu says:

 
فرخص لنا ذلك ان نتزوج المرؤة

We were permitted to perform nikah (Mut`ah) with a woman.[7]

 
In another narration it is mentioned:

 
نهى عن نكاح متعة

Nikah al-Mut`ah was prohibited.[8]

 
Imam al-Bukhari rahimahu Llah, Imam Muslim rahimahu Llah, Imam al-Tirmidhi rahimahu Llah and other Muhaddithin have all dedicated separate chapters to the topic of Nikah al-Mut`ah, where they prove that it was a formal nikah. The words of marriage mentioned in these narrations prove beyond doubt that this Mut`ah is not the same as the Mut`ah of the Shi`ah, and in fact this was Nikah Muwaqqat.

 
المتعة المذكورة هى نكاح الموقت

The Mut`ah mentioned (in these narrations) is actually Nikah Muwaqqat.[9]

 
Mowlana Shabbir Ahmad `Uthmani rahimahu Llah writes:

 
ان المتعة التى ياثرها من الصحابة انما كات لبى اجل اعنى النكاح الموقت و هكذا وقع فى حديث بسرة عند ابن جرير بلفظ تزوجتها كان هو النكاح الموقت

The Mut`ah which the Sahabah radiya Llahu `anhum mention is in actual fact Nikah Muwaqqat. The narration of Busrah radiya Llahu `anhu, reported by Ibn Jarir rahimahu Llah, which contains the words tazwij (to wed) proves that this was Nikah Muwaqqat.”[10]

 
One can easily conclude that the Mut`ah which was permitted in the early years of Islam was in actual fact Nikah Muwaqqat. According to the elucidation of the `ulamaʼ of Ahl al-Sunnah in this form of nikah it was incumbent upon the husband to provide maintenance and shelter to the wife as opposed to the Mut`ah which the Shi`ah describe. Once again one should bear in mind that this very Nikah Muwaqqat was also prohibited by Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam through divine decree, yet the Shi`i Mut`ah continues to remain permissible.

 
اِنَّا لِلّٰهِ وَ اِنَّا اِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُوْنَ

To Allah do we belong and unto him shall we return.

 
2. In addition, Nikah Muwaqqat was not permitted for a long period. Instead it was permitted for only three days under extreme circumstances. Allamah al-Qurtubi rahimahu Llah writes:

 
الروايات كلها متفقه على ان زمن اباحة المتعة لم يبطل

All the narrations are agreed on one point that the period when Mut`ah was permitted was extremely short.[11]

 
This means that all the ahadith support the fact that Nikah Muwaqqat was permitted only for a few days. Some narrations mention that it was permitted for three days only, after which it was announced that it has been forbidden perpetually. After Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam has decreed its prohibition then no person has the authority to issue a ruling of its permissibility.

Whichever person or group issues a ruling of its permissibility will in other words be claiming to have the right of nubuwwah and will be defying the din of Islam, after which it is impossible to include such a person in the fold of Islam.

3. Nikah Muwaqqat would take place in the presence of witnesses and with the permission of the representative of the bride. This did not take place in secret and was not a covert affair. Instead it was public and made known to all that a certain woman had entered into Nikah Muwaqqat with a certain man.

On the contrary those who perform Mut`ah do not have the courage to make such a public announcement nor will they ever have because they are committing zina and fornicators lack such ability. Mowlana Shabbir Ahmad `Uthmani rahimahu Llah writes:

 
كان هو النكاح الموقت بحضرة الشهود كما يدل عليه حديث سليمان بن يسار عن ام عبد الله بنت ابلا خيثمة عن رجل من اصحاب النبى (صلى الله عليه و سلم) فى قصة عند ابن جرير و فيه فشارطها و اشهدوا على ذلك عدولا

This was Nikah Muwaqqat which took place before witnesses, just as the narration of Sulayman ibn Yasar, reported by Umm `Abd Allah, the daughter of Abu Khaythamah, from a Sahabi of Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam and which Ibn Jarir referred to, proves that this condition was made with a woman and two reliable individuals witnessed this.[12]

 
Mowlana Muhammad Idris Khandhlawi rahimahu Llah writes:

In this form of Nikah al-Mut`ah was necessary for the proposal and acceptance as well as the permission of the representative to occur before witnesses.[13]

 
Ibn `Atiyah rahimahu Llah writes:

 
و كانت المتعة ان يتزوج الرجل بشاهدين و اذن الولى الى اجل مسمى

Mut`ah was when a man married a woman before two witnesses and the permission of the bride’s representative until a stipulate time.[14]

 
When differentiating between Nikah Muwaqqat and Mut`ah, the fuqaha’ write:

 
و عدم اشتراطها للشهود فى المتعة و فى الموقت الشهود

Mut`ah (of the Shi`ah) witnesses are not required and in Nikah Muwaqqat they are.[15]

 
Mowlana Muhammad Hasan Samali rahimahu Llah writes:

 
ان حضور الشهود غير مشروط فى المتعة و امدنما هى فى الموقت و هذا هو الفرق بينهما

Witnesses are not a condition (for it to be valid) in Mut`ah whereas it is a condition in Nikah Muwaqqat, and this is the difference between the two.[16]

 
It is evident from these references that in Nikah Muwaqqat, which was permitted in the early years of Islam, witnesses, permission of the bride and public announcement were all essential whereas it is not required in the Shi`i Mut`ah. Ponder deeply over the differences between the two.

If you are unsatisfied with the statements of the `Ulamaʼ Ahl al-Sunnah then listen to the Shi`i scholar Shaykh al-Tusi, who affirms our substantiation. Mu`alla ibn Khunays says that he asked Imam Ja`far al-Sadiq rahimahu Llah:

 
و جعلت فداك كان المسلمون على عهد النبى (صلى الله عليه و سلم و أله) يتزوجون بغير بغية؟ قال لا

May I be sacrificed for you! Did the Muslims marry without witnesses during the time of Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam? Imam Ja`far al-Sadiq replied: “No!”[17]

 
Shaykh al-Tusi writes:

 
انهم ما تزوجوا الا ببينة و ذلك هو افضل

Verily they would not marry without witnesses and this is best.[18]

 
We learn from this that the Nikah Muwaqqat that was permitted in the early period of Islam would occur in the presence of two witnesses and they never performed a nikah without witnesses being present. However, despite them adhering to this, Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam still announced its prohibition. Where is Mut`ah from Nikah Muwaqqat? Mut`ah was never permitted before or after and nor can it be ever permitted.

4. The permission that was granted for Nikah Muwaqqat was given in extreme circumstances and not permitted for every single individual. `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu, whom the Shi`ah cite as proof the most, explained the circumstances in which it was permitted and the level of its permissibility, when the ruling of its permissibility was attributed to him. He said:

 
و الله ما بهذا افتيت ولا اردت ولا احللت منها الا ما احل الله من الميتة و الدم و لحم الخنزير

I take an oath by Allah, I never issued any such ruling nor have I intended to do so. I have not permitted anything from it except to the extent of what Allah has made permissible from carrion, blood and the meat of pigs.

It is narrated that his servant once asked him regarding this, that if it was only permitted in extreme conditions and he replied that it was.[19]

 
Ibn Abi `Amrah radiya Llahu `anhu also says:

 
انها كانت رخصة فى اول الاسلام لمن اضطر اليها كالميتة و الدم و لحم الخنزير ثم لحكم الله الدين و نهى عنه

Nikah Muwaqqat was permitted in the early years of Islam for those in extreme circumstances, just as carrion, blood and meat of pigs (is permitted in extreme circumstances), then Allah established the laws of din and forbade it.[20]

 
One learns from this that Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu denied the outright permissibility of Nikah Muwaqqat and that it was never his intention to rule on its permissibility. Instead he only regarded it as permissible in extreme circumstances, just as it is permissible for a person to consume carrion, blood or swine in extremes circumstances, and there will be no admonishment for doing so.

However, not one single person claims that they are halal in all circumstances. These laws pertain to extreme circumstances and not in normal conditions and Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu even went as far as displaying his abhorrence to its permissibility by including it with the likes of carrion, blood and swine.

Nevertheless, one should keep in mind that when Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu heard the proofs and substantiations of `Ali radiya Llahu `anhu and the other Sahabah radiya Llahu `anhum he withdrew his previous opinion and ruled that it is forbidden in all circumstances. In doing so he removed any chance of its permissibility.

5. This permissibility of Nikah Muwaqqat was only allowed when on journey and was not permitted for those residing in the town. Imam Tahawi rahimahu Llah writes:

 
كل هؤلاء الذين رووا عن النبى (صلى الله عليه و سلم) اطلاقها اجزوا انها كات فى سفر و ان النهى لحقها فى ذلك فمنع منها و ليس احد منهم يجز انها كانت فى حضر و كذلك روى عن ابن مسعود

All those who narrated that Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam had permitted Mut`ah, narrate that it was permissible on journey and it was prohibited in that very same journey. Not one single narrator reported that this permissibility was when residing at home, as is apparent from the narration of Ibn Mas`ud radiya Llahu `anhu that this applies only while on journey.[21]

 
Imam Hazimi rahimahu Llah says:

 
و انما كان ذلك فى اسفارهم و لم يبلغنا ان النبى (صلى الله عليه و سلم) اباحة لهم عى بيوتهم

This permissibility was only while on journey and not one single narration has reached us that Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam permit it for them while residing in their homes.[22]

 
One learns from the narrations of hadith that its prohibition was revealed whilst on that very journey and Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam ordered the Sahabah to separate from those women. This makes it clear that

This was restricted to that journey and was not permitted while at home.
Its prohibition was announced in this very journey.
 
Since Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam announced its prohibition until the Day of Qiyamah in accordance to Allah’s decree, whether on journey or at home it is forbidden in all circumstances.

The Iranian president Rafsanjani, abandons all these proofs and permits it entirely, saying that one can perform Mut`ah wherever one pleases. Whereas this permission was only granted for a short period of time whilst on a journey and thereafter prohibited. The level to which the Iranian president has stooped to defame the noble teachings of Rasulullah salla Llahu `alayhi wa sallam is indeed disgusting.

6. It was incumbent in Nikah Muwaqqat that when the couple separates, the woman should observe a period of waiting equivalent to one menstrual cycle. She should not marry any other during this period of waiting so that there will be no doubt to the parentage of the child had she conceived. `Ammar says that he asked `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu:

 
هل عليها عدة قال نعم حيضة

Does she have to observe a period of waiting and he replied: “Yes, one menstrual cycle.”[23]

 
This implies that if she did conceive then the child will be named after his father. This is the reason why witnesses and the representative of the bride were necessary, so that they will be able to bear witness that it is his child.

However, according to the Shi`ah definition of Mut`ah there is neither need for witnesses, representative of the bride nor any need for public announcement. This would imply that if the woman does conceive then the child will have no father. It is uncertain with how many men she might have performed Mut`ah with, in nine months. Will any person be willing to take responsibility in such a case?

Even the initial condition of Nikah Muwaqqat has been abrogated and its prohibition announced until the Day of Qiyamah. Now if any person were to rule on its permissibility then it will be direct contradiction with the law of shari`ah, which will open the doors of sin, shamelessness and immorality, which Islam strictly opposes.

In essence the narration of `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu permitting Mut`ah should be read with the explanations mentioned above and then one should decide whether Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu actually regarded it as permissible or not. The truth of the matter is that he did not, especially after hearing the proofs from `Ali radiya Llahu `anhu, Muhammad ibn Hanafiyyah rahimahu Llah as well as the other Sahabah. He then withdrew his previous opinion regarding Mut`ah and announced his repentance from his previous opinion.

Now for anyone to claim that Ibn `Abbas radiya Llahu `anhu regarded it as opinion is a great injustice and a complete fabrication.


Finally something of value on this site. Thank you brother. Here are my brief notes. I have color coded (green where similar and red where different). Please feel free to make corrections and then we can have a proper adult conversation.

Nikah Muwaqqat: Limited time period (max of 3 days possibly)
Mutah: Limited time period (days not determined)

Nikah Muwaqqat: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage
Mutah: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage

Nikah Muwaqqat: iddah
Mutah: iddah

Nikah Muwaqqat: re-marry only after iddah complete
Mutah: re-marry only after iddah complete

Nikah Muwaqqat: husband to provide maintenance and shelter to the wife
Mutah: husband to pay a set amount determined by wife

Nikah Muwaqqat: if conception, child takes name of father and proper inheritance
Mutah:  if conception, child takes name of father and proper inheritance

Nikah Muwaqqat: permission of the representative (guardian) of the bride required
Mutah: permission of the representative (guardian) of the bride required if she is a virgin.

Nikah Muwaqqat: need for witnesses
Mutah: no need for witness

Nikah Muwaqqat: Permissible while on journey only
Mutah: permissible anywhere
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 15, 2016, 04:40:58 AM
Regardless of the rules. When it was allowed it wasn't Zinah, after the ban it's considered Zinah.
glad you clarified that. so then the discussion is whether it was disallowed or not?

We already gave you one of its rules, as stated by ibn Abbas. It already conflicts with your Shia circus.
Which one?

I repeat, I am willing to become Shia today if a Shia brother happily allows for me to enter in mutah with his daughter, sister or wife tomorrow.
Perhaps in your world, you force women into marriages and submision. Not in shia world. Find a shia girl who is willing and then we can talk.



Extreme situation of war, when fighters are away from home. that's when it was made a Rukhsah according to ibn `Abbas.

This in no way agrees with your modern Shia rules.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 15, 2016, 05:23:02 AM
Perhaps in your world, you force women into marriages and submision. Not in shia world. Find a shia girl who is willing and then we can talk.

Mutah is not "marriage".  Plus, the women who are offered in mutah to your brethren do it out of necessity, not pleasure or willingness to uphold the "sunnah".

My point still stands: you find tons of Shia (scholars and laymen) encouraging mutah but none would offer their own womenfolk.  Double-standards much?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 16, 2016, 12:29:26 AM
My point still stands: you find tons of Shia (scholars and laymen) encouraging mutah but none would offer their own womenfolk.  Double-standards much?
Encouraging mutah??? Who? Cite me a recent scholar who has encouraged it?

That is like me saying Sunni women are offered to breastfeed adult males in order to make them mahram. It is a widespread shenanigan and even recommend by Sunni scholars.

or I can cite you the case of a Sunni scholar who abused halala by marrying a woman, then divorcing her and marrying her to his friend, then divorce and he married her...5 times.

If you want to go down this road, I will oblige with the statement that I am apologizing to all the other sunni brothers in advance if you get offended by what I relay to you for that is not my intent but muslim720 desire. So by all means please feel free to pick the filthy road or the decent and upstanding road.

Extreme situation of war, when fighters are away from home. that's when it was made a Rukhsah according to ibn `Abbas.
This in no way agrees with your modern Shia rules.
We too say that it is not the norm but by exception. Also there are ahadith that this was performed by the Prophet's approval at his last hajj so that was not an extreme situation.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Rationalist on July 16, 2016, 01:33:25 AM
My point still stands: you find tons of Shia (scholars and laymen) encouraging mutah but none would offer their own womenfolk.  Double-standards much?
Encouraging mutah??? Who? Cite me a recent scholar who has encouraged it?
I will site your Imams.


Desirability of mut`a and what is befitting to intend by doing it



[ 26388 ] 1 ـ محمد بن علي بن الحسين بإسناده عن بكر بن محمد ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : سألته عن المتعة ؟ فقال : اني لاكره للرجل المسلم أن يخرج من الدنيا وقد بقيت عليه خلة من خلال رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) لم يقضها .

ورواه الحميري في ( قرب الاسناد ) عن أحمد بن إسحاق ، عن بكر بن محمد ، مثله .



1 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. a-Husayn by his isnad from Bakr b. Muhammad from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.  He said: I asked him about mut`a.  So he said: I dislike that the Muslim man should leave the world and there remains upon him a habit from the habits of the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله which he has not carried out.

And al-Himyari narrated it in Qurb al-Isnad from Ahmad b. Ishaq from Bakr b. Muhammad likewise.
.



2 – as-Saduq said: As-Sadiq عليه السلام said: I dislike that the man should die and there remain upon him a habit from the habits of the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله which he has not carried out.  So I said: So did the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله do mut`a?  He said: Yes, and he recited this verse “And when the Prophet disclosed a matter to one of his wives” – until His saying – “previously married and virgins.” (66:3-5)



[ 26390 ] 3 ـ وبإسناده عن صالح بن عقبة ، عن أبيه ، عن أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) قال : قلت : للمتمتع ثواب ؟ قال : ان كان يريد بذلك وجه الله تعالى وخلافا على من أنكرها لم يكلمها كلمة إلا كتب الله له بها حسنة ، ولم يمد يده إليها إلا كتب الله له حسنة ، فإذا دنا منها غفر الله له بذلك ذنبا ، فاذا اغتسل غفر الله له بقدر ما مر من الماء على شعره ، قلت : بعدد الشعر ؟ قال : بعدد الشعر .



3 – And by his isnad from Salih b. `Uqba from his father from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام.  He said: I said: Is there reward for the one who does mut`a?  He said: If he had intended by that the countenance of Allah تعالى and opposition against the one who denied it, he does not speak a word but that Allah has written ten good deeds for him by it, and he does not extend his hand to it but that Allah has written ten good deeds for him.  So when he has approached it, Allah has forgiven him a sin by that, and when he has done ghusl, Allah has forgiven him by the measure of what has passed of water upon his hair.  I said: By the number of hairs?  He said: By the number of hairs.



[ 26391 ] 4 ـ قال : وقال أبو جعفر ( عليه السلام ) : إن النبي ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) لما أسري به إلى السماء قال : لحقني جبرئيل ( عليه السلام ) فقال : يا محمد ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) ، إنّ الله تبارك وتعالى يقول : اني قد غفرت للمتمتعين من أمتك من النساء .

ورواه في ( المقنع ) أيضا مرسلا .



4 – And Abu Ja`far عليه السلام said: When the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله did the night journey to Heaven, he said: Jibra’il عليه السلام reached me and said:  O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله, Allah تبارك وتعالى says: I have forgiven the doers of mut`a of the women from your Umma.

And he also narrated it in al-Muqni` in a mursal fashion.



[ 26393 ] 6 ـ وفي ( الخصال ) : عن أبيه ، عن سعد ، عن حماد بن يعلى بن حماد ، عن أبيه ، عن حماد بن عيسى ، عن حريز بن عبدالله ، عن زرارة بن أعين ، عن أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) قال : لهو المؤمن في ثلاثة أشياء : التمتع بالنساء ومفاكهة الاخوان ، والصلاة بالليل .



6 – And in al-Khisal from his father from Sa`d from Hammad b. Ya`la b. Hammad from his father from Hammad b. `Isa from Hariz b. `Abdillah from Zurara b. A`yan from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام.  He said: The amusement (lahw) of the believer is in three things: Mut`a with women, joking with brethren, and salat at night.



[ 26394 ] 7 ـ محمد بن الحسن في ( المصباح ) : عن ابن أبي عمير ، عن هشام ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : اني لاحب للرجل أن لا يخرج من الدنيا حتى يتمتع ولو مرة ، وأن يصلي الجمعة في جماعة .



7 – Muhammad b. al-Hasan in al-Misbah from Ibn Abi `Umayr from Hisham from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: I love that the man should not leave the world until he does mut`a even if once, and that he prays the jum`a in congregation.



[ 26395 ] 8 ـ وقد تقدم في الحج حديث زرارة عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : المتعة والله أفضل وبها نزل الكتاب وجرت السنة .



8 – And the hadith of Zurara from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام has preceded in (the book of) hajj (wherein) he said: Mut`a, by Allah, is best, and the Book was sent down with it and the Sunna brought it about.



[ 26396 ] 9 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن أحمد بن محمد ، عن علي بن الحكم ، عن بشير بن حمزة ، عن رجل من قريش قال : بعثت إلى ابنة عم لي كان لها مال كثير : قد عرفت كثرة من يخطبني من الرجال فلم أزوجهم نفسي ، وما بعثت اليك رغبة في الرجال غير أنه بلغني أنه أحلها الله في كتابه و وبينها رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) في سنته فحرمها زفر ، فأحببت أن أطيع الله عز وجل فوق عرشه وأطيع رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) وأعصي زفر فتزوجني متعة ، فقلت لها : حتى أدخل على أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) فأستشيره ، قال : فدخلت عليه فخبرته ، فقال : افعل صلى الله عليكما من زوج .



9 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from Bashir b. Hamza from a man of Quraysh.  He said: The daughter of an aunt of mine who has a lot of wealth sent to me:  I had known that many men had sought my hand and I have not married myself to them and I have not sent to you desiring men except that it has reached me that Allah has made mut`a halal in His book and the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله سلم stated it in his Sunna, then Zufar made it haram, so I love that I should obey Allah عز وجل  above His Throne and obey the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله and disobey Zufar.  So marry me in mut`a.  So I said to her: (Wait) until I enter upon Abu Ja`far عليه السلام and take his counsel.  So I entered and sought his counsel.  So he said: Do it, Allah bless you (two) from a spouse (?).



[ 26397 ] 10 ـ محمد بن محمد بن النعمان المفيد في ( رسالة المتعة ) : عن جعفر بن محمد بن قولويه ، عن سعد بن عبدالله ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى ، عن هشام بن سالم ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : يستحب للرجل أن يتزوج المتعة وما أحب للرجل منكم أن يخرج من الدنيا حتى يتزوج المتعة ولو مرة .



10 – Muhammad b. Muhammad b. an-Nu`man in Risalat al-Mut`a from Ja`far b. Muhammad b. Qulawayh from Sa`d b. `Abdullah from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from Hisham b. Salim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: It is recommended for the man to marry in mut`a, and I do not love that the man from you should leave the world until he marries in mut`a even once.



[ 26398 ] 11 ـ وبالاسناد عن ابن عيسى ، عن ابن الحجاج ، عن العلا ، عن محمد بن مسلم ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال لي : تمتعت ؟ قلت : لا ، قال : لا تخرج من الدنيا حتى تحيي السنة .



11 – And by the isnad from Ibn `Isa from Ibn al-Hajjaj from al-`Ala from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: He said to me: Have you done mut`a?  I said: No.  He said: Do not leave the world until you have revived the Sunna.



[ 26399 ] 12 ـ وبالاسناد عن أحمد بن محمد بن خالد ، عن سعد بن سعد ، عن إسماعيل الجعفي قال : قال أبو عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) : يا إسماعيل ، تمتعت العام ؟ قلت : نعم ، قال : لا أعني متعة الحج ، قلت : فما ؟ قال : متعة النساء ، قلت : في جارية بربرية ، قال : قد قيل يا إسماعيل تمتع بما وجدت ولو سندية .



12 – And by the isnad from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Khalid from Sa`d b. Sa`d from Isma`il al-Ju`fi.  He said: Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام said: O Isma`l, have you done mut`a this year?  I said: Yes.  He said: I do not mean the mut`a of hajj.  I said: So what then?  He said: The mut`a of women.  I said: With a Berber slave girl?   He said: It had been said, O Isma`il, do mut`a with what you find, even a Sindhi woman.



[ 26400 ] 13 ـ وبالاسناد عن أحمد بن محمد ، عن ابن أشيم ، عن مروان بن مسلم ، عن إسماعيل بن الفضل الهاشمي قال : قال لي أبو عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) : تمتعت منذ خرجت من أهلك ؟ قلت : لكثرة ما معي من الطروقة أغناني الله عنها ، قال : وإن كنت مستغنيا فإني احب أن تحيي سنة رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) .



13 – And by the isnad from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Ashyam from Marwan b. Muslim from Isma`il b. al-Fadl al-Hashimi.  He said: Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام said to me: Have you done mut`a since you have gone out from your family?  I said: Due to the abundance of what is with me of wives, Allah has made me needless of it.  He said: And even if you are needless, for I love that you should revive the Sunna of the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله.



[ 26401 ] 14 ـ وبالاسناد عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى ، عن عليّ بن أبي حمزة البطائني ، عن أبي بصير قال : دخلت على أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) فقال لي : يا أبا محمّد ، تمتعت منذ خرجت من أهلك ؟ قلت : لا ، قال ولم ؟ قلت : ما معي من النفقة يقصر عن ذلك ، قال : فأمر لي بدينار ، قال : أقسمت عليك إن صرت إلى منزلك حتى تفعل .



14 – And by the isnad from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from `Ali b. Abi Hamza al-Bata’ini from Abu Basir.  He said: I entered in upon Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام, and he said to me: O Abu Muhammad, have you done mut`a since you have gone out from your family?  I said: No.  He said: And why?  I said: What is with me of expenditure is short of that.  He said: So he commanded me (to be given) a dinar.  He said: I adjure you if you end up in your house until you do it.



[ 26402 ] 15 ـ وعن ابن عيسى ، عن محمد بن علي الهمداني ، عن رجل سمّاه ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : ما من رجل تمتّع ثمّ اغتسل إلاّ خلق الله من كل قطرة تقطر منه سبعين ملكا يستغفرون له إلى يوم القيامة ويلعنون متجنبها إلى أن تقوم الساعة .



15 – And from Ibn `Isa from Muhammad b. `Ali al-Hamdani from a man whom he named from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام.  He said: There is not a man who does mut`a then does ghusl but that Allah creates for every drop (of water) that drops from him seventy angels seeking forgiveness for him until the day of the resurrection and cursing the avoider of it (i.e. of mut`a) until the Hour rises.

Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 18, 2016, 02:40:47 PM
JazakAllah khair, brother Rationalist.  I do not like to confront Shias with their own hadiths but I provided him two narrations (encouraging mutah) but Shiaman likes to bury his head in sand thinking that doing so makes our posts disappear.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 18, 2016, 09:00:21 PM
My point still stands: you find tons of Shia (scholars and laymen) encouraging mutah but none would offer their own womenfolk.  Double-standards much?
Encouraging mutah??? Who? Cite me a recent scholar who has encouraged it?
I will site your Imams.


Desirability of mut`a and what is befitting to intend by doing it





JazakAllah khair, brother Rationalist.  I do not like to confront Shias with their own hadiths but I provided him two narrations (encouraging mutah) but Shiaman likes to bury his head in sand thinking that doing so makes our posts disappear.

I am well aware of the hadith and question some of them myself. however, I did state very clearly "Cite me a recent scholar who has encouraged it?"
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 19, 2016, 05:51:26 AM
All of them encouraged it, while digging through your scholar's Fatwas I found Ruhani and Sistani saying it is Mustahabb (preferred). If saying it's preferred isn't encouragement I don't know what is.

Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: GreatChineseFall on July 19, 2016, 12:26:01 PM
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Nikah Muwaqqat: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage
Mutah: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage

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We too say that it is not the norm but by exception. Also there are ahadith that this was performed by the Prophet's approval at his last hajj so that was not an extreme situation.

So is there a need for an extreme situation or not? Also, just in another thread you were attacking a narration of the Prophet visiting his wives in one night and now you are defending mut'ah here? Would you mind telling me if it is permissible to have nine temporary wives and visit them in one night?

As for the whole "mut'ah with the goal of seeking a permanent marriage", would you mind telling me if a person who has four permanent wives(ie the max number of wives one can have) is prohibited from engaing in mut'ah marriages? And also if it is allowed to permanently marry a wive with the intention of divorcing her, whether that is allowed or not?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 19, 2016, 03:02:13 PM
I am well aware of the hadith and question some of them myself. however, I did state very clearly "Cite me a recent scholar who has encouraged it?"

Brother, are you in denial?  You seem to say things that make me go, "is he serious or is he in loser denial?"  Does your madhhab not believe that mutah is Sunnah?  Of course!  Is Sunnah encouraged or discouraged?  Couple that point with endless videos defending mutah (with speakers as recent as Ammar Nakshawani lying upon Sahih Muslim to establish its legitimacy) and Shia hadiths asking people to uphold this Sunnah, your request backfires.  Maybe Ayatollah Khamenei was misquoted but he himself stated that not only mutah is permissible but also mustahab (but not obligatory).

Furoo al-Kafi states: "One who engages in Mutah once in his lifetime reaches the status of Imam Al-Hussain.  One who engages in it twice becomes equal in status to Imam Al-Hasan.  The one who performs it three times reaches the position of Imam Ali.  And he who practices it four times acquires the level and position of the Prophet Muhammad."
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Optimus Prime on July 19, 2016, 03:06:08 PM
I am well aware of the hadith and question some of them myself. however, I did state very clearly "Cite me a recent scholar who has encouraged it?"

Brother, are you in denial?  You seem to say things that make me go, "is he serious or is he in loser denial?"  Does your madhhab not believe that mutah is Sunnah?  Of course!  Is Sunnah encouraged or discouraged?  Couple that point with endless videos defending mutah (with speakers as recent as Ammar Nakshawani lying upon Sahih Muslim to establish its legitimacy) and Shia hadiths asking people to uphold this Sunnah, your request backfires.  Maybe Ayatollah Khamenei was misquoted but he himself stated that not only mutah is permissible but also mustahab (but not obligatory).

Furoo al-Kafi states: "One who engages in Mutah once in his lifetime reaches the status of Imam Al-Hussain.  One who engages in it twice becomes equal in status to Imam Al-Hasan.  The one who performs it three times reaches the position of Imam Ali.  And he who practices it four times acquires the level and position of the Prophet Muhammad."

That narration cracks me up, LOL.

This ShiaMan has been delerious from day 1.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 20, 2016, 12:23:30 AM
All of them encouraged it, while digging through your scholar's Fatwas I found Ruhani and Sistani saying it is Mustahabb (preferred). If saying it's preferred isn't encouragement I don't know what is.
care to point out where/when they did this?

So is there a need for an extreme situation or not?
You need to ask Sabra al-Juhanni and Rabi'bin Sabra since they have a lot of hadith sahih-e-sitta about this.

Also, just in another thread you were attacking a narration of the Prophet visiting his wives in one night and now you are defending mut'ah here? Would you mind telling me if it is permissible to have nine temporary wives and visit them in one night?
For the Prophet or a layman such as yourself?

As for the whole "mut'ah with the goal of seeking a permanent marriage", would you mind telling me if a person who has four permanent wives(ie the max number of wives one can have) is prohibited from engaing in mut'ah marriages? And also if it is allowed to permanently marry a wive with the intention of divorcing her, whether that is allowed or not?
No.
No.
Brother, are you in denial?  You seem to say things that make me go, "is he serious or is he in loser denial?"  Does your madhhab not believe that mutah is Sunnah?  Of course!  Is Sunnah encouraged or discouraged?  Couple that point with endless videos defending mutah (with speakers as recent as Ammar Nakshawani lying upon Sahih Muslim to establish its legitimacy) and Shia hadiths asking people to uphold this Sunnah, your request backfires.  Maybe Ayatollah Khamenei was misquoted but he himself stated that not only mutah is permissible but also mustahab (but not obligatory).

Furoo al-Kafi states: "One who engages in Mutah once in his lifetime reaches the status of Imam Al-Hussain.  One who engages in it twice becomes equal in status to Imam Al-Hasan.  The one who performs it three times reaches the position of Imam Ali.  And he who practices it four times acquires the level and position of the Prophet Muhammad."
Discussing the rules around mutah and discussing its permissiblity are two different things.

This topic is about the rules and as such the rules are not too different between Nikah Muwaqqat and Mutah. Couple that with misyar and urfi and we can debate all day long which is better or worse.

As for mustahab, there are conditions such as in order to avoid falling into sin, it is advisable to permanently marry. If that is not possible, the mutah until the possibility of permanent marriage.

That narration cracks me up, LOL.
This ShiaMan has been delerious from day 1.
Haven't heard from you in a while. I thought you blew yourself up.

In other news, misyar is a widespread reality now:
http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/642991
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2015/10/29/Unable-to-afford-expenses-young-men-opt-for-limited-marriage-.html
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 20, 2016, 05:04:52 AM
Misyar is Haram if it does not comply with Islamic law. Urfi is irreligious marriage.

You on the other hand, cannot reject Mut`ah like we can easily reject Misyar or Urfi.

Here's one of Sistani's old popular Fatwas saying it's Mustahabb:

الرقم: 16
السؤال:هل زواج المتعة حلال أم حرام؟ الرجاء منكم التوضيح.

الجواب:من أقبح الذنوب وأكبر الكبائر أن ينسب الانسان التحريم والتحليل الى الله بغير علم قال تعالى: (ولا تقولوا لما تصف السنتكم الكذب هذا حلال وهذا حرام لتفتروا على الله الكذب). وليس كل حلال يجب أن نقبله لأنفسنا ومن يتعلق بنا فلو خطب بنتك مسلم أفريقي شديد السواد نتن الرائحة قبيح الوجه هل تقبله؟! هذا مع أن ذلك حلال بل مستحب. وأما دليل الجواز فهو الروايات الكثيرة جداً الواردة عن طرق أهل البيت (عليهم السلام) والعامة أيضاً لا ينكرون تجويزه في عهد من الرسالة المجيدة وانما يدعون نسخه في ما بعد.

Here's one of Ayatullah Roohani's Fatwas declaring Mut`ah Mustahabb (Liked):

سوال:
 ل الزواج المنقطع يعتبر امراً مستحباً بالتشريع ام مباحاً ؟

وهل ان الفتاة متعددة النكاح المنقطع وماتقوم به من عمل مشروع يعيبها المجتمع عليه ويعتبرها منحرفة فهل يعتبر عملها مكروهاً اذا صار هكذا زواجاً منقطعاً مكرراً بحكم الاعراف والتقاليد المنظورة بمنظور غير اسلامى ام انه يبقى مستحباً لصيانة النفس من خطر الانحراف والوقوع فى الحرام ؟

 
الجواب: باسمه جلت اسمائه
 بإسمه جلت أسمائه

الزواج المنقطع امر مستحب شرعاً و هذا مالم ينطبق عليه عنوان ثانوي ككونه هتكاً و اهانة لأهلها عرفاً و إلا فقد يصل الى حد عدم الجواز وعلى كل حال ان امكن اخفائه عن المجتمع ـ فلا اشكال في استحبابه ولو بنحو التعدد والله العالم .
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: GreatChineseFall on July 20, 2016, 10:49:05 PM
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You need to ask Sabra al-Juhanni and Rabi'bin Sabra since they have a lot of hadith sahih-e-sitta about this.
I am asking you, first you said:
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Nikah Muwaqqat: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage
Mutah: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage
suggesting that an extreme situation is needed, then you say:
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We too say that it is not the norm but by exception. Also there are ahadith that this was performed by the Prophet's approval at his last hajj so that was not an extreme situation.
suggesting that it can be done without an extreme situation, so what is it?
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For the Prophet or a layman such as yourself?
Nothing stops you from answering and explaining for both cases. We already know that you make excuses for the Prophet to reject things because of his mercy, I am eager to know what it is this time. Whether you consider visting all wives merciless or it is because of another reason.

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As for the whole "mut'ah with the goal of seeking a permanent marriage", would you mind telling me if a person who has four permanent wives(ie the max number of wives one can have) is prohibited from engaing in mut'ah marriages? And also if it is allowed to permanently marry a wive with the intention of divorcing her, whether that is allowed or not?
No.
No.
Unfortunately for you, you have no idea what you are talking about or are careless in your lies. Sayyid Sadiq Hussaini al-Shirazi was literally asked this question whether it's allowed to have mut'a if you have four permanent wives and he allowed it:
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المتزوّج من أربعة وزواج المتعة

شخص متزوّج من أربعة بالزاوج الدائم، فهل يجوز له الزواج مرة خامسة ولكن بالزواج المؤقت؟

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نعم يجوز في فرض السؤال، ولكن ينبغي للرجل والمرأة مراعاة المصالح التي أهم ومواردها تختلف.


Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 21, 2016, 01:40:00 AM
Misyar is Haram if it does not comply with Islamic law. Urfi is irreligious marriage.

You on the other hand, cannot reject Mut`ah like we can easily reject Misyar or Urfi.
So if a marriage is not done according to islamic law, it is haram? Thank you captain obvious.
Are you rejecting just urfi or misyar as well?
Why would I reject mutah?

Here's one of Sistani's old popular Fatwas saying it's Mustahabb:

الرقم: 16
السؤال:هل زواج المتعة حلال أم حرام؟ الرجاء منكم التوضيح.

الجواب:من أقبح الذنوب وأكبر الكبائر أن ينسب الانسان التحريم والتحليل الى الله بغير علم قال تعالى: (ولا تقولوا لما تصف السنتكم الكذب هذا حلال وهذا حرام لتفتروا على الله الكذب). وليس كل حلال يجب أن نقبله لأنفسنا ومن يتعلق بنا فلو خطب بنتك مسلم أفريقي شديد السواد نتن الرائحة قبيح الوجه هل تقبله؟! هذا مع أن ذلك حلال بل مستحب. وأما دليل الجواز فهو الروايات الكثيرة جداً الواردة عن طرق أهل البيت (عليهم السلام) والعامة أيضاً لا ينكرون تجويزه في عهد من الرسالة المجيدة وانما يدعون نسخه في ما بعد.

Here's one of Ayatullah Roohani's Fatwas declaring Mut`ah Mustahabb (Liked):

سوال:
 ل الزواج المنقطع يعتبر امراً مستحباً بالتشريع ام مباحاً ؟

وهل ان الفتاة متعددة النكاح المنقطع وماتقوم به من عمل مشروع يعيبها المجتمع عليه ويعتبرها منحرفة فهل يعتبر عملها مكروهاً اذا صار هكذا زواجاً منقطعاً مكرراً بحكم الاعراف والتقاليد المنظورة بمنظور غير اسلامى ام انه يبقى مستحباً لصيانة النفس من خطر الانحراف والوقوع فى الحرام ؟

 
الجواب: باسمه جلت اسمائه
 بإسمه جلت أسمائه

الزواج المنقطع امر مستحب شرعاً و هذا مالم ينطبق عليه عنوان ثانوي ككونه هتكاً و اهانة لأهلها عرفاً و إلا فقد يصل الى حد عدم الجواز وعلى كل حال ان امكن اخفائه عن المجتمع ـ فلا اشكال في استحبابه ولو بنحو التعدد والله العالم .
Both questions are specifically asking if mutah is halal or haram and they answer it is mustahab. All that means is that it is okay to do. In now way are they telling people to run around mutahing all over the place.


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Nikah Muwaqqat: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage
Mutah: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage
suggesting that an extreme situation is needed, then you say:
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We too say that it is not the norm but by exception. Also there are ahadith that this was performed by the Prophet's approval at his last hajj so that was not an extreme situation.
suggesting that it can be done without an extreme situation, so what is it?
First option is always permanent marry and if there is a situation where it is not possible then one can do mutah.


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For the Prophet or a layman such as yourself?
Nothing stops you from answering and explaining for both cases. We already know that you make excuses for the Prophet to reject things because of his mercy, I am eager to know what it is this time. Whether you consider visting all wives merciless or it is because of another reason.
so first of all, I reject the hadith that he visited all his wives for sexual pleasure in one night. Remember you worship Bukhari such that you accept this hadith at the expense of offending the Prophet.
Since I do not even accept the hadith, I shouldnt have to answer it but I will. No, it was not merciful of the Prophet nor anyone to have sex with all 9 permanent or temporary wives. Perhaps having sex with 1 wive 9 times in a night would be great, but once each with 9 wives not so much.


As for the whole "mut'ah with the goal of seeking a permanent marriage", would you mind telling me if a person who has four permanent wives(ie the max number of wives one can have) is prohibited from engaing in mut'ah marriages? And also if it is allowed to permanently marry a wive with the intention of divorcing her, whether that is allowed or not?
No.
No.[/quote]
Unfortunately for you, you have no idea what you are talking about or are careless in your lies. Sayyid Sadiq Hussaini al-Shirazi was literally asked this question whether it's allowed to have mut'a if you have four permanent wives and he allowed it:
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المتزوّج من أربعة وزواج المتعة

شخص متزوّج من أربعة بالزاوج الدائم، فهل يجوز له الزواج مرة خامسة ولكن بالزواج المؤقت؟

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نعم يجوز في فرض السؤال، ولكن ينبغي للرجل والمرأة مراعاة المصالح التي أهم ومواردها تختلف.

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Ok, Shirzai says it is okay to do mutah if one has 4 wives. I answered:

As for the whole "mut'ah with the goal of seeking a permanent marriage", would you mind telling me if a person who has four permanent wives(ie the max number of wives one can have) is prohibited from engaing in mut'ah marriages?
No!

And also if it is allowed to permanently marry a wive with the intention of divorcing her, whether that is allowed or not?
No!.
Niyah for mutah and niyah for permanent marriage are different.


The only discussion to be had is whether mutha is permissible or not. For a fact it used to happen during the life of the Prophet. The only issue is whether the Prophet banned it or someone else (caliph Umar).

Another quick question: While mutah was permitted in Islam, was it still a wrong practice?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 21, 2016, 05:36:29 AM
Discussing the rules around mutah and discussing its permissiblity are two different things.

Changed goal posts?  No problem!

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This topic is about the rules and as such the rules are not too different between Nikah Muwaqqat and Mutah. Couple that with misyar and urfi and we can debate all day long which is better or worse.

Take it from me, there is no better or worse.  In fact, I did not even know about misyar until Shias started making noise.  You know what that should tell you?  That misyar is not encouraged among Sunnis.  Instead, it is highly discouraged.  I would challenge you to bring us a narration - even if weak - from our books saying that doing misyar will enable us the status of Imam Ali [ra], let alone the Prophet [saw].  Bismillah!

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As for mustahab, there are conditions such as in order to avoid falling into sin, it is advisable to permanently marry. If that is not possible, the mutah until the possibility of permanent marriage.

How can you avoid sin when you are sinning?  Avoiding zina by reaching out to prostitution is neither mustahab nor avoiding sin.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 21, 2016, 05:59:48 AM
Hey ShiaMan, judging by your answers to me you're just here to argue and waste time. Listen punk, you wrote some nonsense about retarded forms of marriages, `Urfi is outright rejected Islamically, it's a civilian secular marriage. Misyar is of two kinds, what agrees with Islamic laws and what breaks Islamic laws, if the conditions placed in any Misyar marriage oppose the rules of Islamic legal marriage, then that "Misyar" is Haram and would be Zinah without a doubt. You little man cannot reject Mut`ah, which is actually a lot worse than both Misyar and `Urfi. Mut`ah according to your sect's rules opposes the laws of Islamic marriage, so it's Zinah, the Prophet (saw) forbade it and that's more than enough reason for you to reject it, furthermore, the Shia Mut`ah (Zinah) is the number one source of lewdness and bastard children abandoned by their fathers, it creates huge social problems and causes people disgrace and shame. Don't hide behind your finger, we are VERY familiar with Shia societies and know full well what Mut`ah marriages lead to.
As for Sistani and Ruhani, their Fatwas are VERY CLEAR, don't argue like a godless pagan, they didn't say "It's allowed" rather they said "Mustahabb" meaning "Preferred" or "Liked", big difference and this is direct encouragement.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 21, 2016, 09:22:26 PM
Changed goal posts?  No problem!
All I am saying is the rules of mutah is 1 discussion; the permissibility of mutah is a different discussion.


Take it from me, there is no better or worse.  In fact, I did not even know about misyar until Shias started making noise.  You know what that should tell you?  That misyar is not encouraged among Sunnis.  Instead, it is highly discouraged.  I would challenge you to bring us a narration - even if weak - from our books saying that doing misyar will enable us the status of Imam Ali [ra], let alone the Prophet [saw].  Bismillah!
I am quite comfortable in stating the same thing about mutah - you only knew of misyar from shia and I came to find out about mutah from sunnis. As a matter of fact, you guys are really infatuated with it.

For a fact it happened during the lifetime of the Prophet. The only issue is whether it was abrogated during his lifetime or not. All other discussions are pointless unless this is resolved.

How can you avoid sin when you are sinning?  Avoiding zina by reaching out to prostitution is neither mustahab nor avoiding sin.
For you it is a sin so by all means do not do it and stick with misyar and/or urfi.

Hey ShiaMan, judging by your answers to me you're just here to argue and waste time. Listen punk, you wrote some nonsense about retarded forms of marriages, `Urfi is outright rejected Islamically, it's a civilian secular marriage. Misyar is of two kinds, what agrees with Islamic laws and what breaks Islamic laws, if the conditions placed in any Misyar marriage oppose the rules of Islamic legal marriage, then that "Misyar" is Haram and would be Zinah without a doubt. You little man cannot reject Mut`ah, which is actually a lot worse than both Misyar and `Urfi. Mut`ah according to your sect's rules opposes the laws of Islamic marriage, so it's Zinah, the Prophet (saw) forbade it and that's more than enough reason for you to reject it
What answers did you not like? The one where I asked for the rules around mutah during the lifetime of the Prophet to compare it to current mutah rules. As it turned out, they were not too different.
Misyar if done according to Islamic law is permissible - ok. But can I not say the same thing about mutah. Can I get a hadith from the Prophet allowing/prohibiting misyar? Whose sunnah is it?

I am not rejecting mutah at all. It was definitely allowed during the life of the Prophet. The only issue to discuss is if the Prophet abrogated it or someone after him.
furthermore, the Shia Mut`ah (Zinah) is the number one source of lewdness and bastard children abandoned by their fathers, it creates huge social problems and causes people disgrace and shame. Don't hide behind your finger, we are VERY familiar with Shia societies and know full well what Mut`ah marriages lead to.
So where exactly does this problem exist? Please let me know names of cities and any stats on the number of 'mutah' children. Also if this is a problem in shia cities, who made you in-charge of fixing our plight???

As for Sistani and Ruhani, their Fatwas are VERY CLEAR, don't argue like a godless pagan, they didn't say "It's allowed" rather they said "Mustahabb" meaning "Preferred" or "Liked", big difference and this is direct encouragement.
lets take it 1 step at a time. What was question asked of Sistani/Rouhani?

If you are going to try to insult me, at least do that right. A pagan is someone who worships alternate/multiple deities. A godless person is an atheist. So calling me a godless pagan is an oxymoron which in turn makes you look like a little immature moron. So am I godless or pagan?
 
Since I have been called a clown by some, I would like to quote the joker, "Why so serious?"
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: learning boy on July 22, 2016, 12:53:27 PM
damn hani you are looking hella silly right now, you made a friggin 30 minute video about this stuff mann!!

 umar ibn khattab would not be proud
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 22, 2016, 01:30:53 PM
I am quite comfortable in stating the same thing about mutah - you only knew of misyar from shia and I came to find out about mutah from sunnis. As a matter of fact, you guys are really infatuated with it.

Without an ounce of disrespect or the intention to drop a zinger, if you learned about mutah from Sunnis then you do not belong here.  You should be the last person to discuss mutah and the first one to enroll yourself in a Shia religious school.

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For a fact it happened during the lifetime of the Prophet. The only issue is whether it was abrogated during his lifetime or not. All other discussions are pointless unless this is resolved.

Cut the nonsense!  You know that it was prohibited at the time of the Prophet [saw] and the report came via none other than but Imam Ali [ra] himself.

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For you it is a sin so by all means do not do it and stick with misyar and/or urfi.

You do not understand the concept of misyar but needless to say, I think the legal marriage (described in the Qur'an) is what I will opt for.

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lets take it 1 step at a time. What was question asked of Sistani/Rouhani?

Gosh darn it!  You challenge us to prove that mutah is encouraged within Shiaism and when we do so, instead of providing your own rebuttal, you present another red-herring by requiring from us the question posed to your scholars.  Please forward my humble request to your hawzas around the world.  This tactic of answering a point by posing another question is no longer funny and is getting old.  ShiaChat members dragged this tactic to its death and now it is in its overkill stages.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 22, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
umar ibn khattab would not be proud

Umar ibn Khattab [ra] is not watching us as you claim your hiding Imam is!  I must say that your hiding Imam is lamenting over your failure.  If anything, your immaturity might delay his appearance by another 1000 years (that is if he exists as defined within the Shia paradigm).
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: learning boy on July 22, 2016, 02:31:38 PM
umar ibn khattab would not be proud

Umar ibn Khattab [ra] is not watching us as you claim your hiding Imam is!  I must say that your hiding Imam is lamenting over your failure.  If anything, your immaturity might delay his appearance by another 1000 years (that is if he exists as defined within the Shia paradigm).

and your ignorance could be doing the same. maybe we should both work on ourselves?

immature or not, i found it hilarious, and I also see you aren't very educated with english language and linguistics; any normal minded person would have understood my little umar ibn khattab poke as a present tense. To make it more clear of what my joke was referring to, i meant ' if umar al khattab was still here, he would not be proud ', and it can only mean that, ya bonehead!
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 22, 2016, 03:03:48 PM
and your ignorance could be doing the same. maybe we should both work on ourselves?

My ignorance is doing what?  Delaying his appearance?  The last thing I would want is to be accused for the failure in reappearance of a non-existent human being who is recognized in fables.  However, I do agree that we should both work on ourselves.  While I prepare for Imam Mahdi [ra], maybe you should quit peeking into cellars and caves hoping to find "Imam Mahdi" pop out with the the Laws of David [as] in hand, ready to unleash his rage.

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immature or not, i found it hilarious, and I also see you aren't very educated with english language and linguistics;

Pardon me for my style and the inconvenience it may cause but English is my 5th language and I seem to be doing quite alright.  By the way, since you have decided to go that route, the phrase you were looking for was "educated in English" not "educated with English".  I will forgive your second error (typing the word "English", which is a proper noun, with lower case "E").

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any normal minded person would have understood my little umar ibn khattab poke as a present tense.

In case you did not notice, the name of this website is not "Comedy Central" or "Stand-up Live Performance".  Unfortunately for you (and Shias like yourself), for every one of your pokes, we have at least three.

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To make it more clear of what my joke was referring to, i meant ' if umar al khattab was still here, he would not be proud ', and it can only mean that, ya bonehead!

Lowercase "I", lower case "U and K".  Don't lose sleep; we are not keeping count.  My point, however, still stands!  Umar ibn Al-Khattab [ra] is not around whereas you believe your 12th Imam is.  If Umar [ra] was here, he may or may not have been proud.  Actually, if he was here, your kind would not have been here, lol.  But supposedly your 12th Imam is here and yet you are helpless while his reappearance is uncertain.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Mythbuster1 on July 22, 2016, 03:34:23 PM
damn hani you are looking hella silly right now, you made a friggin 30 minute video about this stuff mann!!

 umar ibn khattab would not be proud

Silly? Lol it's the shiiteman that's struggling.........to find a nose bone and to answer on legal prostitution (mutah)

this is what keeps your sect small and will never grow............coz your answers are in stupidity

and it's stupid boys like you who find comfort in stupidity

Alhamdulillah
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: GreatChineseFall on July 26, 2016, 07:13:51 PM
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Nikah Muwaqqat: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage
Mutah: should be done in extreme circumstances; preference is permanent marriage
suggesting that an extreme situation is needed, then you say:
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We too say that it is not the norm but by exception. Also there are ahadith that this was performed by the Prophet's approval at his last hajj so that was not an extreme situation.
suggesting that it can be done without an extreme situation, so what is it?
First option is always permanent marry and if there is a situation where it is not possible then one can do mutah.
Again, avoiding the question, is an extreme situation necessary or not?


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For the Prophet or a layman such as yourself?
Nothing stops you from answering and explaining for both cases. We already know that you make excuses for the Prophet to reject things because of his mercy, I am eager to know what it is this time. Whether you consider visting all wives merciless or it is because of another reason.
so first of all, I reject the hadith that he visited all his wives for sexual pleasure in one night. Remember you worship Bukhari such that you accept this hadith at the expense of offending the Prophet.
Since I do not even accept the hadith, I shouldnt have to answer it but I will. No, it was not merciful of the Prophet nor anyone to have sex with all 9 permanent or temporary wives. Perhaps having sex with 1 wive 9 times in a night would be great, but once each with 9 wives not so much.
Again, not the main question, is it allowed or not?

As for the whole "mut'ah with the goal of seeking a permanent marriage", would you mind telling me if a person who has four permanent wives(ie the max number of wives one can have) is prohibited from engaing in mut'ah marriages? And also if it is allowed to permanently marry a wive with the intention of divorcing her, whether that is allowed or not?
No.
No.
Unfortunately for you, you have no idea what you are talking about or are careless in your lies. Sayyid Sadiq Hussaini al-Shirazi was literally asked this question whether it's allowed to have mut'a if you have four permanent wives and he allowed it:
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المتزوّج من أربعة وزواج المتعة

شخص متزوّج من أربعة بالزاوج الدائم، فهل يجوز له الزواج مرة خامسة ولكن بالزواج المؤقت؟

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نعم يجوز في فرض السؤال، ولكن ينبغي للرجل والمرأة مراعاة المصالح التي أهم ومواردها تختلف.


Ok, Shirzai says it is okay to do mutah if one has 4 wives. I answered:
No!

Good for you, but we are discussing the rules as laid out by shia scholars. If your rules differ from that, then this thread is not for you

The only discussion to be had is whether mutha is permissible or not. For a fact it used to happen during the life of the Prophet. The only issue is whether the Prophet banned it or someone else (caliph Umar).

Another quick question: While mutah was permitted in Islam, was it still a wrong practice?

I guess for you, if the children of Adam were given a Rukhsa to marry from their siblings, then incest is permissible to do under all circumstances, right?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 27, 2016, 03:17:41 AM
Without an ounce of disrespect or the intention to drop a zinger, if you learned about mutah from Sunnis then you do not belong here.  You should be the last person to discuss mutah and the first one to enroll yourself in a Shia religious school.

Here is what they teach at Shia School:
Tawheed
Adl
Prophethood
Imamat
Day of Judgement

Once the above are understood, then they teach about:
Salat
Sawn
Hajj
Zakat
Khums
Jihad
Amr bin Maroof
Nahiyan Al-Munkir
Tawalla
Tabarra

Then, there is Karbala and Ghadeer, etc. Contrary to your beliefs, mutah is not taught.


Cut the nonsense!  You know that it was prohibited at the time of the Prophet [saw] and the report came via none other than but Imam Ali [ra] himself.
The narrations from Imam Ali, do they mention when/where mutah was banned? At Khaybar?


Gosh darn it!  You challenge us to prove that mutah is encouraged within Shiaism and when we do so, instead of providing your own rebuttal, you present another red-herring by requiring from us the question posed to your scholars.  Please forward my humble request to your hawzas around the world.  This tactic of answering a point by posing another question is no longer funny and is getting old.  ShiaChat members dragged this tactic to its death and now it is in its overkill stages.
So I ask for a proof that a recent scholar is encouraging the shia to do mutah to their hearts' content.
You bring a Q/A post from someone who is asking about the permissibility of mutah and the scholar responds that yes it is allowed (mustahab). He is not encouraging but simply responding to a question. Take off the blinders...
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 27, 2016, 01:26:52 PM
Here is what they teach at Shia School:

Imamat

Amr bin Maroof


Then, there is Karbala and Ghadeer, etc. Contrary to your beliefs, mutah is not taught.

Quite a list you have there!  Just a side-note, unlike Tawheed, Adl, Prophethood and Day of Judgment, Imamat cannot be established from the Qur'an.  Also, it is Amr bil Maroof, not Amr bin (the son of) Maroof.  My Arabic is really weak but there is a huge gap between "bil" and "bin".  I will excuse that as a typo.  However, you lie so beautifully when you place Karbala at the bottom of the list when it is an annual commemoration making it an event the details of which every Shia can repeat but they do not know their own books of hadith.


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The narrations from Imam Ali, do they mention when/where mutah was banned? At Khaybar?

Does it matter when consumption of donkey meat was banned?  Or do you eat donkey meat because you might be uncertain since certain narrations state that eating donkey meat was forbidden in 7th century while the remaining mention that doing so was banned in 8th century?

Or do you skip prayers because you are not sure when salah was made obligatory?


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So I ask for a proof that a recent scholar is encouraging the shia to do mutah to their hearts' content.
You bring a Q/A post from someone who is asking about the permissibility of mutah and the scholar responds that yes it is allowed (mustahab). He is not encouraging but simply responding to a question. Take off the blinders...

There are ample videos on YouTube by Shia scholars encouraging mutah.  You have narrations that guarantee you the status of the first three Imams [ra] and the Prophet [saw] in exchange for mutah performed once, twice, thrice or four times.  That is not encouragement? 
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 28, 2016, 04:07:40 AM
This lying ape, wrote:
You bring a Q/A post from someone who is asking about the permissibility of mutah and the scholar responds that yes it is allowed (mustahab). He is not encouraging but simply responding to a question.

_-------_

No, Mustahabb is not (allowed), it's is Liked and Preferred.

You should be banned for your ignorance if anything.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on July 30, 2016, 02:11:39 AM
Quite a list you have there!  Just a side-note, unlike Tawheed, Adl, Prophethood and Day of Judgment, Imamat cannot be established from the Qur'an.  Also, it is Amr bil Maroof, not Amr bin (the son of) Maroof.  My Arabic is really weak but there is a huge gap between "bil" and "bin".  I will excuse that as a typo.  However, you lie so beautifully when you place Karbala at the bottom of the list when it is an annual commemoration making it an event the details of which every Shia can repeat but they do not know their own books of hadith.
Typo. Thanks for the free pass. :)

By all means Imamat is in our Usul-e-deen and is up for discussion. I truly wish more discussions were held on the Usul-e-deen followed by furh-e-deen rather than the other topics.

Karbala, Ghadeer, etc were placed at the bottom because you said "Shia School". Now if you said shia majlis, then I would start with karbala. And before you take off points, I put them there because these things are taught too. If I wanted to lie, I would not even write them there.

Does it matter when consumption of donkey meat was banned?  Or do you eat donkey meat because you might be uncertain since certain narrations state that eating donkey meat was forbidden in 7th century while the remaining mention that doing so was banned in 8th century?

Or do you skip prayers because you are not sure when salah was made obligatory?
Good point about donkey meat. In the hadith, mutah and donkey meat are banned at the same time - at Khaybar. Yet we do not find the sahaba confused about donkey meat being banned or not. However, there are several hadith that state that sahaba did mutah during the last hajj which was after Khaybar. And they did so with the permission of the Prophet. So you can see why I do not question donkey meat but question when mutah was banned?

There are ample videos on YouTube by Shia scholars encouraging mutah.  You have narrations that guarantee you the status of the first three Imams [ra] and the Prophet [saw] in exchange for mutah performed once, twice, thrice or four times.  That is not encouragement? 
There are ample videos of Sunni scholars encouraging halala (they are first in line for it), encouraging adult male breast feeding, etc. Let's not rely on YouTube...

This lying ape, wrote:
You bring a Q/A post from someone who is asking about the permissibility of mutah and the scholar responds that yes it is allowed (mustahab). He is not encouraging but simply responding to a question.

_-------_

No, Mustahabb is not (allowed), it's is Liked and Preferred.

You should be banned for your ignorance if anything.
Lying Ape??? Really? Is that the best you can do? I must be getting to you.

Wajib - must do
Mustahab - ok to do
Makrouh - better to avoid
Haram - must avoid.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on July 30, 2016, 03:07:43 AM
This lying ape, wrote:
You bring a Q/A post from someone who is asking about the permissibility of mutah and the scholar responds that yes it is allowed (mustahab). He is not encouraging but simply responding to a question.

_-------_

No, Mustahabb is not (allowed), it's is Liked and Preferred.

You should be banned for your ignorance if anything.
Lying Ape??? Really? Is that the best you can do? I must be getting to you.

Wajib - must do
Mustahab - ok to do
Makrouh - better to avoid
Haram - must avoid.

Sunnat, Mustahab -- recommendable, desirable. The acts whose neglect is not punished, but whose performance is rewarded, e.g., the call for prayers (adhan).
https://www.al-islam.org/articles/taqlid-meaning-and-reality-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: Hani on July 30, 2016, 04:56:44 AM
This stubborn ape doesn't know the difference between Mubah and Mustahabb.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: muslim720 on July 30, 2016, 07:06:54 AM
By all means Imamat is in our Usul-e-deen and is up for discussion. I truly wish more discussions were held on the Usul-e-deen followed by furh-e-deen rather than the other topics.

There are more discussions on events - Karbala, Tragedy of Thursday, Saqifah, Ghadeer Khum, et cetera - because your usool (Imamat in particular) and furoo are complete concoctions.  I am glad you made this statement because it shows that the group involving in discussions over these "other topics" seem to overlook the important factors (like usool and furoo).  So, that group is the culprit and it is a known fact that culprits hide the truth and hide from it too.  This is the same group that regurgitates falsehood regarding "Tragedy of Thursday", imitates scenes from Karbala and celebrates "Eid al-Ghadeer" (claiming that it is the most important Eid when no such thing was ever declared or practiced by anyone, not even Ahlul Bayt [ra]).

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Good point about donkey meat. In the hadith, mutah and donkey meat are banned at the same time - at Khaybar. Yet we do not find the sahaba confused about donkey meat being banned or not. However, there are several hadith that state that sahaba did mutah during the last hajj which was after Khaybar. And they did so with the permission of the Prophet. So you can see why I do not question donkey meat but question when mutah was banned?

I hope you are not confusing narrations pertaining to Mutah of Hajj with temporary marriage.

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There are ample videos of Sunni scholars encouraging halala (they are first in line for it), encouraging adult male breast feeding, etc.

...with the promise that one can attain the rank of Imam Hussain [ra], Imam Hassan [ra], Imam Ali [ra] and the Prophet [saw]?
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on August 01, 2016, 09:38:11 PM
This stubborn ape doesn't know the difference between Mubah and Mustahabb.
Mubah is an Islamic Arabic term denoting an action as neither forbidden nor recommended, and so religiously neutral
Mustahabb actions are those whose status of approval in Islamic law falls between mubah (neither encouraged nor discouraged) and wajib (compulsory).

well now that we have that clarified.

what is your fascination with apes? I know Yazid was a monkey lover but I didnt know it is a hereditary trait.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: ShiaMan on August 01, 2016, 09:45:53 PM
There are more discussions on events - Karbala, Tragedy of Thursday, Saqifah, Ghadeer Khum, et cetera - because your usool (Imamat in particular) and furoo are complete concoctions.  I am glad you made this statement because it shows that the group involving in discussions over these "other topics" seem to overlook the important factors (like usool and furoo).  So, that group is the culprit and it is a known fact that culprits hide the truth and hide from it too.  This is the same group that regurgitates falsehood regarding "Tragedy of Thursday", imitates scenes from Karbala and celebrates "Eid al-Ghadeer" (claiming that it is the most important Eid when no such thing was ever declared or practiced by anyone, not even Ahlul Bayt [ra]).
Can you point what group is giving precedence of 'others' over usul/furuh. What you are saying is that because I am talking about math, I am ignoring english.

I hope you are not confusing narrations pertaining to Mutah of Hajj with temporary marriage.
Nope.
http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/16/23 - allowed during the Victory of Mecca
http://www.sunnah.com/urn/1262810 - allowed during the last hajj
Both narrations from Rabibin Sabra
Again - I am just trying to figure when exactly this act was forbidden. And since it was forbidden at some time then it must mean that it was also allowed before being forbidden.
I need the exact ayah that allows it followed by the exact ayah that prohibits it.
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: taha taha on August 05, 2016, 02:00:12 AM
The Shia and the Legalization of Prostitution (Mut`a Marriage),
with Refutation


The Shia have claimed the permissibility of a type of marriage called mut`a, which means "enjoyment," or prostitution; indeed, they recommend it as much as possible. They have called for it with the loudest voice, violating the authentic, authoritative saying of Allah's Messenger (sws), in blatant violation of the sanctity of the prohibitions of Allah (Mighty & Majestic).
     Allah (Glorified & Exalted) did not lay down this law (concerning mut`a marriage) as an eternal law to be implemented until the coming of the Hour, due to the great harm and serious corruption that would result therefrom.
     Allah's Messenger (sws) would not have permitted what is called mut`a marriage as a law to be acted upon by Muslims until the coming of the Hour, and that is because the source of the law with which Prophet Muhammad (sws) came was the Wise, Divine Creator: Allah (Glorious & Exalted), Who sent him with upstanding legislation, to bring His slaves out of the darknesses and into the light.
     As a result, the permission for mut`a marriage was only for a limited period of time, as a matter of urgent need, to ease the hardship in the beginning. Thereafter, it was banned forever until the coming of the Hour. That was due to the harm and corruption it would cause, the loss and confusion of patrimony, the lack of family stability, and therefore, the lack of social stability as a whole.
     The truth of what we have said is shown in a hadith from the Messenger of Allah (sws), in which he says,

«يا أيها الناس إني قد كنت آذنت لكم في الاستمتاع من النساء، وأن الله قد حرّم ذلك إلى يوم القيامة – أي صار محرّمًا من الله تعالى بعد أن مُحلّلا منه-، فمن كان عنده منهن شيء فليخل سبيله، ولا تأخذوا مما آتيتموهن شيئًا»

It means, "Oh people, I was going to permit you to seek the enjoyment (mut`a) of women, but Allah has prohibited that until the Day of Judgment (meaning: it has become prohibited by Allah Almighty after it had been permitted by Him), so whoever has any of them (mut`a wives), let them go (divorce them), but do not take any of what you gave them (as mahr, or dowry)."
[Reported by Muslim]

As for the permissibility of mut`a marriage during one limited period of time, during the age of Prophet Muhammad's (sws) mission, the significance of that will become clear in the following way:
     Zina, or extra-marital sex, was widespread and open in pre-Islamic Arabian society and elsewhere before the coming of Prophet Muhammad (sws) with the Final Message from Allah (Blessed & Most High), since it was the time of ignorance (before Islam) with all its corruption, especially in such a hot climate which advances puberty and stirs up the sexual instincts.
     Then, after the coming of Prophet Muhammad (sws) with the Message and the traveling of the Islamic army in battle after battle, over long days and months, defending Islam and protecting it from the onslaught of its enemies, which made it too much for the Arab to handle—to restrain his desire and hold back his natural instinct towards women for such a long time after that had been so easy for him most of the time (by way of having many wives or because extra-marital affairs were so widespread before the coming of Islam and the prohibition of them) before the coming of Islam—and it was really hard on him.
     Consequently, this urgent need was eased by permitting mut`a marriage which was allowed in the time before Islam, but that was only for a limited amount of time until it became prohibited eternally until the coming of the Hour.
     Thus, the permissibility of mut`a marriage resembled what is called 'gradual legislation,' as was the case with alcohol, which was also among the habits of the Arabs and others in the days of ignorance before the coming of Islam, when they used to drink alcohol like water, or even more, until Islam came and prohibited intoxicating substances of all sorts, for all time to come, until the coming of the Hour.
     However, it is from the wisdom of Islamic legislation that alcohol was not banned all at once as a means of easement from Allah (Blessed & Most High), of compassion, and of mercy towards His slaves. Hence the gradual nature of the prohibition until it became forbidden to pray while drunk and incoherent (in other words, one is not allowed to pray when one has been drinking and has lost his reason, due to the loss of awareness). This closely resembles the prohibition of drinking alcohol before the time of the obligatory prayer due to the loss of awareness and the impairment of reason, until it became impermissible thereafter to imbibe and drink it, whether it was time for the prayer or near to it or at any other time, and whether the intoxicating substance was a lot or a little.

-   The Islam which is the law of the Most Beneficent did not neglect to prohibit what is known as mut`a marriage permanently. It did so from the lips of the one who came with it, inviting people to it, Muhammad (sws), and that was a protection from Allah (Blessed & Most High) for the Islamic nation from the vice of zina, or extra-marital sex, and a shield for them against getting mired in such a quagmire.

From what we have shown, it is clear that mut`a marriage became prohibited permanently, and no one advised it but for two reasons:

1.   Either he was unaware of what had been established authoritatively from Allah's Messenger (sws) about his prohibition of what Allah Almighty had forbidden in terms of mut`a marriage, permanently, until the coming of the Hour.
     As testament to that fact: this type of marriage (known as mut`a marriage) used to take place during the time of Abu Bakr and Umar when they still did not know of its prohibition, but as soon as the Commander of the Faithful, Umar ibn al-Khattab, learned that this type of marriage was prohibited after it had been allowed for a period of time, he began to forbid it.
     And there is nothing strange about one of the companions not knowing about any of the laws for a period of time, since not all of the noble companions accompanied Prophet Muhammad (sws) all the time; rather, some of them would go to work and then come to learn from Allah's Messenger (sws) and some of them Prophet Muhammad (sws) would send on missions and into battles. Yet others would stay to learn from him or otherwise do as we have said before. So the companions of Prophet Muhammad (sws) used to ask amongst themselves about what their messenger (sws) had said while they were gone and they would teach each other, but they might not get to an issue like mut`a marriage and the rules related to it until a particular case came up.
2.   Or it could be that they were simply following their whims and vain desires, rejecting the Commands of Allah (Mighty & Majestic) and of His messenger (sws). This is exceedingly clear about the Shia since it was founded on wicked principles set by Ibn Saba', the Jew, following what conforms to their vain desires and personal interests.
     
Thus, we find that the Shia scholars falsely allege that the son born of mut`a is better than the son born in permanent wedlock, in order to promote this form of 'marriage' which is repellant to those of pure, upstanding nature and which clashes with those of sound, righteous mind.
     The Shia do not stipulate any specific number of women that can be contracted into a mut`a marriage at the same time, nor do they stipulate the presence of witnesses or maintenance. In Furoo` al-Kaafi wa al-Tahdheeb (one of the standard Shia references), it says that mut`a marriage is not dissolvable by divorce, and it does not have any inheritance rights, for it is a rental contract.
     To what extent are women humiliated in the light of Shia beliefs, with its abominable message and corrupt legislation??
      Could those who promote this illegitimate form of 'marriage' from among the Shia scholars and jurists condone it for their womenfolk and accept it for themselves??
     Certainly not. No one could accept this type of 'marriage' except swine who do not have any sense of protectiveness over their women.
     
We can prove this point with those who call for the likes of this 'marriage' (known as mut`a marriage) from among the Shia scholars themselves and likewise their jurists and people of high position and status within the ranks of Shia society, since they reject this type of 'marriage' for their own daughters. They merely permit it for the rest of the girls and women of Shia society since they find therein a crucial means to satisfy their desires, ambitions, and sexual instincts.
     In other words, Shia scholars and jurists, and other men of rank and status, use the rest of the masses of Shia society as a means of satisfying their sexual needs through their women, by way of calling for this wicked fornication (known as mut`a marriage) which they reject for their own daughters and refuse for their own mothers. Reality bears witness to this fact, for this is a true story, as shown in some of what we have mentioned, and it goes as follows:

A Sunni (one of the followers of the Sunnah of our beloved prophet, Muhammad, sws) argued with a Shiite over mut`a marriage: is it permissible or prohibited?
     The Sunni presented the authentic, authoritative hadiths from Prophet Muhammad (sws) showing his prohibition of mut`a marriage, permanently, until the coming of the Hour, while the Shiite said it is permissible according to the sayings of Shia scholars and jurists.
     So the two young men agreed to ask al-Kho'i, one of the Shia scholars. The Sunni boy asked him what he says about mut`a marriage: is it permissible or is it forbidden?
     Al-Kho'i looked at him, for he sensed something behind the question, so he asked him, "Where do you live?"
     The Sunni boy replied, "I live in Mosul, but I have been staying here in Najaf for about two months."
     Al-Kho'i said to him, "So you are Sunni, then?"
     The boy replied, "Yes."
     Al-Kho'i said in response to his question, "Mut`a to us (in Shia jurisprudence) is permissible, and to you (in Sunni jurisprudence) is prohibited."
     So the Sunni boy said to him (advancing towards him), "I have been here for almost two months as a stranger in your lands, so why haven't you married me to your daughter that I might enjoy her until I return to my family?"
     Al-Kho'i stared at him for a little while and then said, "I am a sayyid (a noble descendent of Prophet Muhammad, sws). That is forbidden for a sayyid, and permitted for the Shia masses."
     Then both young men rose, and it was not long before the Shiite boy exploded in a rage, saying (about the Shia jurists and scholars), "You criminals! You permit yourselves to enjoy our daughters, and you tell us it is permitted and that you are drawing near to Allah by doing so, but you forbid us to enjoy your daughters??"
     And he began to curse and hurl insults, and he swore that he would become a Sunni  (the people of the Sunnah of our beloved prophet, Muhammad, sws).
     
From this true testimony, the enormity of what the Shia call for and promote (namely, mut`a marriage) becomes clear, and it is repellant to anyone of sound human nature and a pure, righteous soul.
     The form of marriage approved of by Islam and condoned by Allah (Blessed & Most High) for this final nation (that of Prophet Muhammad, sws) is that which protects its stability, which is achieved because one of the conditions of its validity is that the individual aims for permanence in his marriage, not just to fulfill his desire and satisfy his needs at a particular time, and not refusing to acknowledge the consequences of that in terms of vagrancy for his progeny and helplessness (as in mut`a marriage).
     Had Islam not forbidden the type of 'marriage' known as mut`a marriage, which does not stipulate the presence of witnesses, financial provision, or stability, it would have been possible for us to see the vast majority turning away from the marriage which achieves family stability, and therefore, stability for society as a whole, as well as for the good of mankind, to the type of 'marriage' (mut`a marriage) which does not have the least factors of stability and uprightness.
 
And from what we have presented briefly so far, it has become clear to us that:
     What is known as mut`a marriage, as claimed and promoted by the Shia, is nothing but obscene fornication, and it has been prohibited by Allah's Messenger (sws), permanently, until the coming of the Hour, in a final law that abrogates any laws before it that permitted it, as a deep solution for eradicating the vice of extra-marital sex, and to stop its spread.
     If someone were to say that mut`a marriage happened after the death of Prophet Muhammad (sws), that could only be explained to be someone who had not yet heard of the permanent prohibition of such a marriage, someone whom the religious ruling had not yet reached, especially since, at that time, the Muslims were busy with the task of spreading the religion of Allah Almighty (Islam) throughout the world, so they would have to teach each other the religious rulings because there was no means of communication at that time which would allow them to reach each other quickly.
     All of this can be sorted out by going back to the authenticated, authoritative hadiths from Prophet Muhammad (sws) through whom people of sound human nature, pure souls, and righteous minds can find guidance.
      Therefore, it is clear to see that: the adherents of the Sunnah of our beloved prophet, Muhammad (sws), are the keepers of the truth and its followers.
     So, all praise is due to Allah Almighty for the blessing of Islam, and all praise is due to Him for the gift of guidance and righteousness.
   
Title: Re: Rules of Mutah Marriage Revealed! (Video)
Post by: GreatChineseFall on August 05, 2016, 04:48:38 PM
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The Shia have claimed the permissibility of a type of marriage called mut`a
It doesnt even make sense, the mere fact that it has been prohibited at some point should be enough reason for people to think about it. While there could be many reasons why this practiced was allowed for a specific period of time(like war etc.), I cant think of any reason why it should be prohibited for a specific period of time. Why should the Prophet s.a.w. prohibit it for only specific periods of time, why not leave it allowed for his entire lifetime? So if it can be established that it has been prohibited at some point in time, and it can be authentically established both from Sunni's and Shia's, then you dont even need to know exactly when it was permanently prohibited.