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Shia scholars thanked Allah for Shaykh Saduq's death - called him Kazub (liar)

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It is about the belief of ibn Babawaih al-Qummi aka Shaykh Saduq about the Sahwa (forgetfulness) of the Prophet (saw) and the 'infallible' Imams.

Mirza Mohamad Tonikaboni (whom they call the complete and elite of scholars and mujtahideen) writes in his Qasasul Olama pg. 976, under the biography of Saduq after mentioning that he believed in Sahwa (forgetfulness) of Prophet (saw) and the 'infallible' Imams:

و صدوق گفته است که استاد محمد بن الولید نیز همين مذھب داشته و اگر عمرم وفا کند رساله ای در این باب خواهم نوشت و شیخ بهائی در این مقام نوشته است که حمد خدای را که عمر اورا قطع کرد و او را توفیق آن نداد که چنان کتابی بنویسد و شیخ احمد دراین مسئله گفته که صدوق در این مسئله کذوب است

میرزا محمد تنکابنی


...Saduq has said that "[my] teacher Mohammad bin al-Walid had also this belief and if I get the chance I will write a Risala (treaty) on this topic." Shaikh Bahai has written on this that praise be to Allah for ending his life and not giving him the chance to write such a book. Shaikh Ahmad has said that Saduq was Kazub on this issue....

« Last Edit: December 23, 2017, 12:18:43 AM by MuslimK »
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Hani

Seems he was Kazub on many other issues, still waiting for the relevant research on this man's downfall.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Noor-us-Sunnah

Seems he was Kazub on many other issues, still waiting for the relevant research on this man's downfall.

I pity at the misery of this cult when I stumble across views like these:

المشهور في المدرسة القمية أن مرسلات الشيخ الصدوق الجزمية معتبرة، وممن يرى هذا الرأي الإمام الخميني «عليه الرحمة (الشيخ مرتضى الباشا * - 5 / 8 / 2005م - 3:10 م)

"It is highly common in the hawza ilmiyah of Qum that mursal ahadith of Shaikh Saduq (ra) are dogmatically accepted as being reliable , and among those who held this view included Imam Khomeini." (Ayatullah Shaikh Murtada al Basha, on 5/8/2005, 3.10pm)

الفقهاء يرى أن مرسلات الصدوق التي يرسلها مباشرة إلى الإمام - عليه السلام - روايات صحيحة السند . و ممن يقول بهذا الرأي الشيخ الفاضل اللنكراني - حفظه الله تعالى

Many of the scholars hold the view that the mursal ahadith of Shaikh Sadooq (ra) which he quotes directly from the Imam (as), are sahih (authentic) in sanad (chain of narration). Among the many who held this view was Ayatullah Fadil Lankarani as well.

Rationalist

Yah one can just substitute the hadith with aql. What a great achievement.

Abu Muhammad

It is the about the belief of ibn Babawaih al-Qummi aka Shaykh Saduq about the Sahwa (forgetfulness) of the Prophet (saw) and the 'infallible' Imams.

Mirza Mohamad Tonikaboni (whom they call the complete and elite of scholars and mujtahideen) writes in his Qasasul Olama pg. 976, under the biography of Saduq after mentioning that he believed in Sahwa (forgetfulness) of Prophet (saw) and the 'infallible' Imams:

و صدوق گفته است که استاد محمد بن الولید نیز همين مذھب داشته و اگر عمرم وفا کند رساله ای در این باب خواهم نوشت و شیخ بهائی در این مقام نوشته است که حمد خدای را که عمر اورا قطع کرد و او را توفیق آن نداد که چنان کتابی بنوسد و شیخ احمد دراین مسئله گفته که صدوق در این مسئله کذوب است

میرزا محمد تنکابنی


...Saduq has said that "[my] teacher Mohammad bin al-Walid had also this belief and if I get the chance I will write a Risala (treaty) on this topic." Shaikh Bahai has written on this that praise be to Allah for ending his life and not giving him the chance to write such a book. Shaikh Ahmad has said that Saduq was Kazub on this issue....


@MuslimK

In what language those in red above was written? Urdu or Persian maybe?

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^ Yes, in Farsi.
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میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
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Abu Muhammad

Thanks brother.

Some Twelvers argued that "Kazzub" can also mean "mistake". That is true in arabic but how about persian?

Also, is that the original language the author used writing the book?

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Thanks brother.

Some Twelvers argued that "Kazzub" can also mean "mistake". That is true in arabic but how about persian?

Also, is that the original language the author used writing the book?


Here, it clearly means he was a liar. The book is in Farsi and that is what it means here.

The Shia can not use that argument. That term is actually "Kathaba", different from the word used here, and it was a specific Arabic dialect among some of the Quraish 1400 years ago.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2017, 04:54:36 PM by MuslimK »
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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furhan

So much for the “Sunnis are so split, we’re all one” narrative a few Shias have tried to push. It’s hilarious that they claim to follow infallible leaders, but don’t even celebrate Eid on the same day.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Lol and Sunni scholars had no beef everything was pink and rosy 😂😂
محور المقاومة والممانعة

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در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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