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Title: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Arabismo on October 02, 2015, 05:48:47 PM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Bolani Muslim on October 02, 2015, 07:53:45 PM
Shias and Jews believe that Jihad is Haraam till the Mahdi comes.
Both Shias and Jews believed that mixture of religion and politics is Haraam till Mahdi appears.
*However, both Shias and Jews have lost patience and made their own bidahs (WF and Israel).
Shias and Jews can't eat Fish without scales.
Shias and Jews can't eat rabbit.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Rationalist on October 04, 2015, 12:03:43 AM
Both have been persecuted throughout history for over 1000 years, and both exploit this history to justify their hatred against others.
 
Both believe they are  only the chosen people, and others are not in the eyes of God. Jews categorize people as gentiles and non-gentiles. Twelvers categorize Muslims as Khassa and Ammi . 

Both believe since they are Jews and Shias they can't go to Jahannam regardless of the sin unless its committed against its own group.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Muwahhid on October 05, 2015, 05:02:39 AM
Neither Shia nor Jews tend to give da'wah to people of other religions (Shi'ah only preach to Sunnis, not christians or other religions)

Both Shi'a and Jews delay breaking their fast well beyond maghrib until the stars can be seen

The Jews had slandered the chaste and pure Mary the mother of Jesus(as), whereas the Shiites slandered and accused Aisha(ra) the wife of the Prophet
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Aba AbdAllah on October 05, 2015, 11:29:21 AM
https://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2015/08/27/twelver-shia-adopted-the-sunnah-of-jews-over-sunnah-of-prophet-mohammadsaws/
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Husayn on October 07, 2015, 12:40:34 AM
Tashayyu' also has alot in common with Christianity.

Like take this Christian interpretation of the Torah for example:

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

Genesis 12:3

Christians interpret this to be a prophecy that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins.

Same belief in hidden meanings.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Bolani Muslim on October 08, 2015, 03:32:27 AM
From ex-Shia sister 'FaithandPeace':
There is another pattern I've noticed. While Sunni leaders don't address the issue of oppression in our ummah near enough, the Shia leaders seem to talk about persecution non-stop to a level similar to what one might hear from the Jews. Yet like the Jews, I don't see much evidence of persecution to anywhere near the degree they go on about it. Most of the hate crimes in the West, arsons and vandalism of masjids, and people put in prison are against Sunnis not Shias. It's like how Jews go on and on and on about how persecuted they supposedly are when the truth is that any American knows that a simple comparison to what American blacks are going through with police violence or what the Muslim community is dealing with far exceeds anything Jews as a community are going through. And I see the same nonsense promoted from the Shias. Worse, most of what I've heard is directed at persecution from the Sunnis rather than persecution from the kuffar. And again as far as the West goes, I'm not seeing evidence of it. I'm not seeing hate crimes happening to them at all (not that it doesn't sometimes happen) but instead it is Sunnis constantly getting thrown in prison, beaten up, discriminated against, killed, etc. even right here in America. I hate to generalize like this but this is what I've seen. And when it comes to community response, it is largely the Sunnis who are fighting the oppression (albeit the lay people, not the scholars so much). CAIR puts out article after article of oppression and yet either the Shias are silent and it is the Sunnis speaking up or I'm actually seeing Shias making excuses for the oppression (i.e. arguing that Muslims shouldn't be challenging the kuffar systems too much, typical apologist stuff, etc.) and another matter is that I'm finding also that like the Jews it seems far more common for Shias to hide their identity and mask who they really are. Same thing I find with many Jews. Almost all of the well known islamophobia-industry leaders in America have Jewish names. And I'm seeing similar deceptiveness among the Shias. Like when hate crimes happen against Sunnis, Sunnis condemn the American media and poor police investigations whereas the Shias say that it is a reaction to ISIS, arguing that Sunnis need to do more to condemn ISIS, as if ISIS somehow was responsible for the hate crimes. These are just observations. Don't take this to mean I am saying everyone is guilty. But I'm not imagining this stuff. I'm seeing sneakiness coming from too many places. Subhanallah.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Rationalist on October 08, 2015, 05:19:19 AM
A lot of persecution toward the 12er Shia happens in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The extremist blew up their mosques. However, the problem is when this happens a lot of them blame the entire Sunni population just because they see the 12ers to be deviants even after this. Supposedly when a 12er gets killed that is the ultimate proof that they are the people of the truth and if you are still not convinced you are a Nasibi according to them.
I recall when Morsi was removed from power, the 12ers at my work assumed that  this was a punishment for the killing of Hassan Shahate. This is no different that the Qadianis says Zia al Haq was killed because he went against the Ahmadis.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Muwahhid on October 08, 2015, 06:53:23 AM
From ex-Shia sister 'FaithandPeace':
There is another pattern I've noticed. While Sunni leaders don't address the issue of oppression in our ummah near enough, the Shia leaders seem to talk about persecution non-stop to a level similar to what one might hear from the Jews. Yet like the Jews, I don't see much evidence of persecution to anywhere near the degree they go on about it. Most of the hate crimes in the West, arsons and vandalism of masjids, and people put in prison are against Sunnis not Shias. It's like how Jews go on and on and on about how persecuted they supposedly are when the truth is that any American knows that a simple comparison to what American blacks are going through with police violence or what the Muslim community is dealing with far exceeds anything Jews as a community are going through. And I see the same nonsense promoted from the Shias. Worse, most of what I've heard is directed at persecution from the Sunnis rather than persecution from the kuffar. And again as far as the West goes, I'm not seeing evidence of it. I'm not seeing hate crimes happening to them at all (not that it doesn't sometimes happen) but instead it is Sunnis constantly getting thrown in prison, beaten up, discriminated against, killed, etc. even right here in America. I hate to generalize like this but this is what I've seen. And when it comes to community response, it is largely the Sunnis who are fighting the oppression (albeit the lay people, not the scholars so much). CAIR puts out article after article of oppression and yet either the Shias are silent and it is the Sunnis speaking up or I'm actually seeing Shias making excuses for the oppression (i.e. arguing that Muslims shouldn't be challenging the kuffar systems too much, typical apologist stuff, etc.) and another matter is that I'm finding also that like the Jews it seems far more common for Shias to hide their identity and mask who they really are. Same thing I find with many Jews. Almost all of the well known islamophobia-industry leaders in America have Jewish names. And I'm seeing similar deceptiveness among the Shias. Like when hate crimes happen against Sunnis, Sunnis condemn the American media and poor police investigations whereas the Shias say that it is a reaction to ISIS, arguing that Sunnis need to do more to condemn ISIS, as if ISIS somehow was responsible for the hate crimes. These are just observations. Don't take this to mean I am saying everyone is guilty. But I'm not imagining this stuff. I'm seeing sneakiness coming from too many places. Subhanallah.

Look at the entire islamic history, only Sunnis ever fought the enemies of islam and spread islam throughout the world, all the shi'a ever did was stab the sunnis in the back and cause the downfall of islamic empires. Its like they sit and wait until the kuffar come and attack ahlus Sunnah and then they come and take the opportunity to attack sunnis while theyre weak. Wallahi the raafidha never did anything to benefit the ummah of Islam; even in da'wah they wait for Sunnis to do all the hard work of calling nonmuslims to islam, then the shi'a go after the naive new reverts to try and make them shi'a.

Even is recent times, whenever muslims were oppressed, the sha did nothing... bosnia, algeria, chechnya, afghan, iraq, syria,  only sunnis came to their rescue, while shia either did nothing or joined the kuffar in killing ahlusSunnah.

Rafidha are a cancer in the ummah.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Rationalist on October 09, 2015, 03:51:58 AM
To be honest, the Sunnis would react in similar manner if the 12ers were oppressed and being killed.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Kryptonian on October 10, 2015, 10:58:57 AM
both are cowards

both play the victim card

both are cunning and always try to control the finances

both are filthy 
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Ibn Yahya on October 11, 2015, 12:59:39 AM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.
Orthodox Jews don't believe in batini tafsir and secret teachings and all that occult stuff. That's called Kabbalah which probably influenced the Rawafid and deviant Sufis more
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Rationalist on October 17, 2015, 07:08:25 AM
Both have been persecuted throughout history for over 1000 years, and both exploit this history to justify their hatred against others.
 

Here is an example of how history is used to censor any form of criticism against them.



Likewise the 12ers do the same. Just because they were massacred in history, nobody is allowed to criticize them?
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Rationalist on October 17, 2015, 07:12:43 AM
Prof Norman Finkelstien went to Iran last year, and he enjoyed his trip there. However, he was very disappointed when many Iranians denied the holocaust. Also, he pointed out that the Muslims or Shias are not the only people who suffered in the world. History is full of many different communities who were targeted and persecuted. This includes the Jews.

Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Zlatan Ibrahimovic on October 07, 2017, 08:31:07 PM
Similarities between Jews and Salafis:

Their concept of tawheed. Lol and especially some of those Salafis who believe in "Al-Shab Al-Amrad" story and Ibn Baz-tier Salafis and their ilk.

I usually wouldn't quote Yasser Al-Habib but this lecture is quite funny:

https://youtu.be/cngNCN5yEuI

Also another belief is that all the companions are good. I'm not sure if this is a Christian or a Jewish belief, but a foolish and quite literally retarded Salafi shaykh tried to use this as an argument against the Shi'a. It was actually an argument against his own creed rofl.

Again, this video is ever funnier, because of the tone, loool:

https://youtu.be/WZsSW-MjzZc
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: iceman on October 07, 2017, 08:44:04 PM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.

The Jews don't hate the Arabs and the Arabs don't hate the Jews. Saudi Arabia and most of the Arab league have accepted and recognise Israel as a state and have good ties with them. How much do the Arabs raise concern and stand up for their Palestinian brothers. You failed to speak about how much the Arabs (the Sunis) stand up for the oppressed Palestinians and what's happening in Burma.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 07, 2017, 10:16:30 PM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.

The Jews don't hate the Arabs and the Arabs don't hate the Jews. Saudi Arabia and most of the Arab league have accepted and recognise Israel as a state and have good ties with them. How much do the Arabs raise concern and stand up for their Palestinian brothers. You failed to speak about how much the Arabs (the Sunis) stand up for the oppressed Palestinians and what's happening in Burma.

That's not true, what has Iran done for Palestinians? Supply weapons and make Hamas do the dirty work for hizbullah and the Shiite state of Iran?? The leadership supplies arms and the Shiites ask why should they as they are Shiites and Palestinians are Sunni, you help from one hand and curse from the other they don't need your hypocrisy Palestinian brothers themselves can see through your hypocrisy. All BS Shiite propaganda trying to make a name in the Muslim world off our Muslim sunni brothers suffering.......we know you from Karbala and how much you Shiites care.

As for rohingya Muslims what has any Shiite leader done? What has Iran done? Iraq? Any Shiite country leader? Any Shiite syed imam? I will mention 1 sunni name that got it highlighted and raised the issue on the international stage and got them to listen.......Erdogan.
Your just full of it full stop.

I do remember how Shiites of Iraq helped the Muslims oh yea they called the Satan to overthrow a leader just to be replaced by a Shiite one?......is he a divine one? Helping Satan? And yet you have the cheek to pick on someone else? It's ok when you can help usa but not when arabs do it......you do stand up for the oppressed by the side of satan.

unbelievable hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: iceman on October 08, 2017, 12:32:49 AM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.

The Jews don't hate the Arabs and the Arabs don't hate the Jews. Saudi Arabia and most of the Arab league have accepted and recognise Israel as a state and have good ties with them. How much do the Arabs raise concern and stand up for their Palestinian brothers. You failed to speak about how much the Arabs (the Sunis) stand up for the oppressed Palestinians and what's happening in Burma.

That's not true, what has Iran done for Palestinians? Supply weapons and make Hamas do the dirty work for hizbullah and the Shiite state of Iran?? The leadership supplies arms and the Shiites ask why should they as they are Shiites and Palestinians are Sunni, you help from one hand and curse from the other they don't need your hypocrisy Palestinian brothers themselves can see through your hypocrisy. All BS Shiite propaganda trying to make a name in the Muslim world off our Muslim sunni brothers suffering.......we know you from Karbala and how much you Shiites care.

As for rohingya Muslims what has any Shiite leader done? What has Iran done? Iraq? Any Shiite country leader? Any Shiite syed imam? I will mention 1 sunni name that got it highlighted and raised the issue on the international stage and got them to listen.......Erdogan.
Your just full of it full stop.

I do remember how Shiites of Iraq helped the Muslims oh yea they called the Satan to overthrow a leader just to be replaced by a Shiite one?......is he a divine one? Helping Satan? And yet you have the cheek to pick on someone else? It's ok when you can help usa but not when arabs do it......you do stand up for the oppressed by the side of satan.

unbelievable hypocrisy.

Just stick to the vast amount of Suni Arabs. You couldn't come up with a response so you start jumping up and down about Iran. If they don't need our hypocrisy then ask the Suni Arabs why they have abandoned the Palestinians for such a long time. And what are the immense Arabs doing about Burma along with you?
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 08, 2017, 01:37:02 PM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.

The Jews don't hate the Arabs and the Arabs don't hate the Jews. Saudi Arabia and most of the Arab league have accepted and recognise Israel as a state and have good ties with them. How much do the Arabs raise concern and stand up for their Palestinian brothers. You failed to speak about how much the Arabs (the Sunis) stand up for the oppressed Palestinians and what's happening in Burma.

That's not true, what has Iran done for Palestinians? Supply weapons and make Hamas do the dirty work for hizbullah and the Shiite state of Iran?? The leadership supplies arms and the Shiites ask why should they as they are Shiites and Palestinians are Sunni, you help from one hand and curse from the other they don't need your hypocrisy Palestinian brothers themselves can see through your hypocrisy. All BS Shiite propaganda trying to make a name in the Muslim world off our Muslim sunni brothers suffering.......we know you from Karbala and how much you Shiites care.

As for rohingya Muslims what has any Shiite leader done? What has Iran done? Iraq? Any Shiite country leader? Any Shiite syed imam? I will mention 1 sunni name that got it highlighted and raised the issue on the international stage and got them to listen.......Erdogan.
Your just full of it full stop.

I do remember how Shiites of Iraq helped the Muslims oh yea they called the Satan to overthrow a leader just to be replaced by a Shiite one?......is he a divine one? Helping Satan? And yet you have the cheek to pick on someone else? It's ok when you can help usa but not when arabs do it......you do stand up for the oppressed by the side of satan.

unbelievable hypocrisy.

Just stick to the vast amount of Suni Arabs. You couldn't come up with a response so you start jumping up and down about Iran. If they don't need our hypocrisy then ask the Suni Arabs why they have abandoned the Palestinians for such a long time. And what are the immense Arabs doing about Burma along with you?

Response? I gave it in the post clear.........you haven't replied, what has shia leaders done for rohingya Muslims? Any Shiite syed? Or Are they hiding hiding? Where's the Mahdi? Muslims are dying getting killed and raped, where is he?.....you shouldn't throw stones from glasshouses.

And you have the cheek to talk lol
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: iceman on October 08, 2017, 03:42:24 PM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.

The Jews don't hate the Arabs and the Arabs don't hate the Jews. Saudi Arabia and most of the Arab league have accepted and recognise Israel as a state and have good ties with them. How much do the Arabs raise concern and stand up for their Palestinian brothers. You failed to speak about how much the Arabs (the Sunis) stand up for the oppressed Palestinians and what's happening in Burma.

That's not true, what has Iran done for Palestinians? Supply weapons and make Hamas do the dirty work for hizbullah and the Shiite state of Iran?? The leadership supplies arms and the Shiites ask why should they as they are Shiites and Palestinians are Sunni, you help from one hand and curse from the other they don't need your hypocrisy Palestinian brothers themselves can see through your hypocrisy. All BS Shiite propaganda trying to make a name in the Muslim world off our Muslim sunni brothers suffering.......we know you from Karbala and how much you Shiites care.

As for rohingya Muslims what has any Shiite leader done? What has Iran done? Iraq? Any Shiite country leader? Any Shiite syed imam? I will mention 1 sunni name that got it highlighted and raised the issue on the international stage and got them to listen.......Erdogan.
Your just full of it full stop.

I do remember how Shiites of Iraq helped the Muslims oh yea they called the Satan to overthrow a leader just to be replaced by a Shiite one?......is he a divine one? Helping Satan? And yet you have the cheek to pick on someone else? It's ok when you can help usa but not when arabs do it......you do stand up for the oppressed by the side of satan.

unbelievable hypocrisy.

Just stick to the vast amount of Suni Arabs. You couldn't come up with a response so you start jumping up and down about Iran. If they don't need our hypocrisy then ask the Suni Arabs why they have abandoned the Palestinians for such a long time. And what are the immense Arabs doing about Burma along with you?

Response? I gave it in the post clear.........you haven't replied, what has shia leaders done for rohingya Muslims? Any Shiite syed? Or Are they hiding hiding? Where's the Mahdi? Muslims are dying getting killed and raped, where is he?.....you shouldn't throw stones from glasshouses.

And you have the cheek to talk lol

LOL. You're the vast majority so why are you relying on us? We don't throw stones at all. Look in the mirror and at facts before you talk. You throw allegations/accusations at us. We are at the receiving end. We don't bother you so why are you so obsessed with us? LOL.

Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: iceman on October 08, 2017, 04:44:34 PM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.

The Jews don't hate the Arabs and the Arabs don't hate the Jews. Saudi Arabia and most of the Arab league have accepted and recognise Israel as a state and have good ties with them. How much do the Arabs raise concern and stand up for their Palestinian brothers. You failed to speak about how much the Arabs (the Sunis) stand up for the oppressed Palestinians and what's happening in Burma.

That's not true, what has Iran done for Palestinians? Supply weapons and make Hamas do the dirty work for hizbullah and the Shiite state of Iran?? The leadership supplies arms and the Shiites ask why should they as they are Shiites and Palestinians are Sunni, you help from one hand and curse from the other they don't need your hypocrisy Palestinian brothers themselves can see through your hypocrisy. All BS Shiite propaganda trying to make a name in the Muslim world off our Muslim sunni brothers suffering.......we know you from Karbala and how much you Shiites care.

As for rohingya Muslims what has any Shiite leader done? What has Iran done? Iraq? Any Shiite country leader? Any Shiite syed imam? I will mention 1 sunni name that got it highlighted and raised the issue on the international stage and got them to listen.......Erdogan.
Your just full of it full stop.

I do remember how Shiites of Iraq helped the Muslims oh yea they called the Satan to overthrow a leader just to be replaced by a Shiite one?......is he a divine one? Helping Satan? And yet you have the cheek to pick on someone else? It's ok when you can help usa but not when arabs do it......you do stand up for the oppressed by the side of satan.

unbelievable hypocrisy.

Just stick to the vast amount of Suni Arabs. You couldn't come up with a response so you start jumping up and down about Iran. If they don't need our hypocrisy then ask the Suni Arabs why they have abandoned the Palestinians for such a long time. And what are the immense Arabs doing about Burma along with you?

Response? I gave it in the post clear.........you haven't replied, what has shia leaders done for rohingya Muslims? Any Shiite syed? Or Are they hiding hiding? Where's the Mahdi? Muslims are dying getting killed and raped, where is he?.....you shouldn't throw stones from glasshouses.

And you have the cheek to talk lol

It should be the other way around. We should be asking you. What have the Shia leaders done? Hang on a minute, we are zombies according to you so the question doesn't even arise. Lol. One Shia country which has been Isolated from revolution 1979. You can't even digest that. How many Suni countries do you have and what is the Muslim Ummah doing about Palestine, Burma etc? This is what you need to ask yourself. Make yourselves useful and engage in something positive rather than Shia bashing 27/7.
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Najamsethii484 on October 31, 2017, 03:29:59 PM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.
both sunnis and jews fast on Ashura
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Najamsethii484 on October 31, 2017, 03:31:54 PM
sunnis and jews pray with hands on their stomach
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Najamsethii484 on November 02, 2017, 01:51:28 PM
Salute comrades

I thought i open this thread for fact sharing and hopefully have a few discussions around it.

Both Jews and the Shia believe in Astrology and consulting the stars.
The Jews have their huge volume book The Talmud (73 volumes) while the Shia have their huge volume book Bihar al anwar 110 volumes)
Both Jews and the Shia believe in Esoteric(Batini) reading of the Holy Book.
Both Jews and the Shia believe in leadership passes divinely through linage.
Both Jews and the Shia pray 3 times a day.
Both Jews and the Shia have secret teaching they believe is forbidden for the laymen to learn.
Jews and The Shia share common belief such as the belief that Joshua stopped the sun from setting (shia also say Ali did the same).
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in authority of their leaders. Jews believe in rabbinic Authority while Shia believe in the authority of the Marja.
Both the Jews and the Shia believe in an end of time Messiah/Mahdi that will rule by the rule of David and pray in Hebrew.
Both Shia and Jews hate the Arabs.
both jews and sunnis lies like you nawasib
Title: Re: Similarities between the Shia and the jews
Post by: Brother on May 03, 2018, 02:48:45 AM
(By Jamiatul Ulama Gauteng)

— The Jews said only the progeny of David has the authority to rule likewise the Shiites stated that only the descendants of Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) should be the Imams or leaders.

— The Jews stated that there can be no fighting in the way of God unless the Messiah (Dajjal) comes and the sword descends. Similarly the Shi’ites stated that that there can be no fighting in the way of God unless Qaem appears and an announcer will call from the sky.

— The Jews delay the Dusk until the stars appear, likewise the Shi’ites delay the maghrib prayer until the stars appear. The Prophet is reported to have said, ”My Ummah will remain in the state of Fitra unless they delay their maghrib till the stars appear.” He further stated: ”Hasten to the maghrib prayer before the appearance of the stars and don’t be similar to the Jews for they pray when the stars appear.”

— The Jews distorted the Torah similarly the Shi’ites distorted the Qur’an (by giving wrong explanation and misusing of the verses-like those of tafseer al-Qummi-and alleging that parts of the Quran are changed, missing and deleted out by the Sahabah. Examples of such allegation is that of the respected Shi’ite scholar at-tabarasi, when he regarded that two surahs: Wilayah and an-Nuraiyn, were deleted out of the official Quranic text by Uthman ibn Affan).

—  The Jews wrote the book with their own hands and stated that this is from God, likewise the Shi’ites wrote down lies and stated that this is from God. (al-Kulyani’s al-Kafi is full of it). They also fabricated lies and attributed them to the Prophet and his family. It is also well known to the hadith scholars that the Rafdhis/Sh’iites form the bulk of those narrators who are weak, unreliable and abandoned.

— The Jews don’t wipe on their slippers or light shoes (for ablution) likewise the Shi’ites abandon the same thing. (it should be noted that the Jewish ablution is similar to that of the Shi”ites)

— The Jews regard Al-Jari and Al-Marmahi (two kinds of fishes) forbidden and the Rafidhis regard the same.

— The Jews forbid the eating of rabbits and spleen and likewise the Shi’ites regard the same.

— The Jews had slandered the chaste and pure Mary the mother of Jesus (as), whereas the Shi”ites slandered and accused Ayesha (radhiyallahu anha) the wife of the Prophet. It should be known that Imam Malik issued a fatwa of kufr on the Shiites for this reason.

— The Jews stated that the daughter of Prophet Jacob left rebellious and was held by a polytheist man, whereas the Shiites state that Umar forcefully took hold of the daughter of Ali(ra).

— And there are some of the Rafidhis who don’t pray in congregation or they don’t observe Jumu’ah stating that this has to be done only once the Mahdi appears. Likewise the Jews pray solely stating that congregation should be held once the Jewish Messiah appears.

— The Jews abandoned Musa (alayhissalaam) against the Cannanites stating that, ”go and fight You and your Lord, whereas we remain here sitting.” Similarly the Shi’ites abandoned Ali , Hussein (radhiyallahu anhum), and Zayd ibn Zainel Abideen (rahimahullah) when they were in the battlefield fighting against the oppressors.

— The Jews exalt some their Prophets and Holy men so much that they regard them as deities (in terms of obedience and attachment), whereas they degrade some of the other Prophets and the holy men to such an extent that they call them whores, unchaste, drunkards, corrupt, and idolaters. similarly the Rawafid exalt Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) and his descendants to a status they don’t reserve and on the other hand they regard the other companions of the Prophet to be corrupt, hypocrites, idolaters, unchaste (as in the case of Mugheerah ibn Shuba) and whores(as in case of Muawiyah, Amr ibn Al-As, and Umar ibn al-Khattab).

— Disgrace and cowardice befell the Jews wherever they were and similarly disgrace and cowardice caught the Rafidhis in so much that they resurrected Taqiyya out of extreme fear and humiliation.

— The Jews pray three times a day, similarly the Shi’ite pray three times a day such that they combine Asr and Dhuhur and pray them at the same time, and they combine Maghrib and Isha and pray them together

— An extinct sect of the Shi’ites used to believe that Gabriel made an error by revealing to prophet Muhammad instead of Ali, and thus Gabriel should be hated, and similarly the Jews, they abhore and hate Angel Gabriel.