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Sunni vs shia scholarship

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zaid_ibn_ali

Sunni vs shia scholarship
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:10:07 PM »
Historically we see that sunni scholarship has always taken a lead (along with the mutazila at one point).
The hadith compilations, ilm rijaal, fiqh, tafsir.
How genuine were those men who shia consider as the companions of the Imams?
Why is it that they never took the lead in the islamic sciences?
I see claims of this book & that book which doesn't exist anymore.
It seems in terms of works that are authentically attributed to their authors, that sunni scholars have always took the lead.
How does a shia explain this?
Where were the shia companions of the Imams during the golden period of compilation?

Hani

Re: Sunni vs shia scholarship
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2017, 04:36:32 PM »
They'll tell you we're oppressed and we lost our books.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Rationalist

Re: Sunni vs shia scholarship
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2017, 07:53:20 PM »
They faced severe persecution in the past. Even Kulayani he was placed in a pressure cooker.

Link

Re: Sunni vs shia scholarship
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2017, 10:41:59 PM »
A question that is related can be asked:

In the past, how come the true revelations were not maintained in pure form by believers? How come that which prevailed were fabrications?

And it's not a hard or difficult question,  I simply want you to realize Quran has all the questions people pose regarding guidance and it's nature and the various ways humans are allowed to react to it but that guidance still remains in a clear fashion.

In this case was the Quran unclear on how falsehood prevails in the mind of the masses in the past?

It gave warnings to avoid and clear signs towards the way but those don't avail to a people who don't see with the eyes of love and hence do not believe.

Now I believe the truth has been conveyed over all in our ahadith, but us not getting exactly everyone who is trustworthy to be really trustworthy and not everyone who is deemed liar to truly be liar is expected given the oppressive conditions we found ourselves in.

The reminder remains, the message remains, the Quran calling back to the leader of our time remains.

If you want to know why books disappear, you have to understand what Quran has exposed of the deceivers among men and Jinn, and how they work behind the scenes.

Books don't simply disappear, the hadiths don't simply disappear, they purposely hidden away and there is much going on that people are too cowardly or ashamed to talk about.

The people who followed the sorcery attributed to Sulaiman never disappeared, and remain hidden, all over the world, and are doing their best to bring about their world order.

Satan and his forces have deceived them, and brought them under their fold.

You cannot and will never be able to prove your scholarship by means they prevailed, because Quran rejects such thinking and so does reason.

In fact the world being a mess, the umma being a mess, the ones who prevailed are obviously not the guided people.



Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Sunni vs shia scholarship
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 01:24:47 AM »
My query is in regard to scholarship. Stick to the topic please.

Rationalist

Re: Sunni vs shia scholarship
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2017, 01:40:46 AM »
First Ameen and now this guy whose a character from Zelda.

Link

Re: Sunni vs shia scholarship
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2017, 02:16:19 AM »
My query is in regard to scholarship. Stick to the topic please.

You have to know the truth is not easy to swallow.

To understand the conspiracy against the truth in all ages, and during the life time of Messenger, you have to understand The Jinn and their avatar people, and what they do to humanity in all ages.

To understand the people who kill the Prophets in all ages and those command to justice, you have to understand the anti (thos who work against) - annointed One of God.

My answer is directly related to your question, you can mock all you want, but Quran unites all these themes together.
Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Sunni vs shia scholarship
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 11:01:53 AM »
Maybe someone else can shed light on the subject?

The Imams themselves never authored any works that have survived today other than some duas.

We're talking about a period of golden scholarship. Yet the first notable shia works were from kulayni, al qummi etc. The standard of these works is very questionable.

Academic replies welcome. Please leave out the emotional rants.

 

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