The argument is based on typical Shia stupidity and dumbness. The hadeeth is cherry picked and painted with stupidity, without even realizing this event occurred due to some reasons. What was that scenario?
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: When Umar became Muslim, Quraysh did not know of that. He said: Who among the people of Makkah is most likely to tell others of what he hears? It was said to him: Jameel ibn Muammar al-Jumahi. So he went out to him, and I followed him to see what he was doing. I was a young boy but I understood everything I saw and heard. He went to him and said, O Jameel, I have become Muslim. By Allah, he did not answer him, but he got up, dragging his garment, and Umar followed him and I followed my father. He went and stood at the door of the mosque and yelled at the top of his voice: O Quraysh! – for they were gathered around the Kabah – Umar ibn al-Khattab has apostatized! Umar said from behind him, He is lying. Rather I have become Muslim and I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his Slave and Messenger. They attacked him, but Umar leapt on Utbah ibn Rabeeah and sat on him; he started to beat him and poke his fingers in his eyes, and Utbah started screaming. Then the people kept away from him. Umar stood up and went around to all the places where he used to sit with people when he had been a disbeliever, and openly declared his Islam. (Ar-Riyad an-Nadrah, page 319). He kept fighting them until the sun reached its zenith, and Umar got tired and sat down. They gathered around him and he said: What do you want? Whilst they were like that, there came a man who was wearing a silken hullah(suit) and an embroidered shirt. He said: What is the matter with you? They said: The son of al-Khattab has changed his religion. He said: So what? A man can choose a religion for himself. Do you think that Bani Adi will let you get away with it if you kill their companion? So they dispersed. I [Ibn Umar] said to him in Madeenah: O my father, who was the man who turned the people back from you that day? He said: O my son, that was al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi.[Fadail as-Sahabah by Ahmad, 1/346. Isnad Hasan]
So, unlike what the foolish Shias think, Umar(ra) had the lion's heart to openly declare his conversion to Islam in public, at a time period when doing this would have costed his life. This shows the Bravery and courage of Umar(ra), which haters won't be able to see, as their doors of wisdom has been shut.
And as for the hadeeth in Bukhari, then this is most like the event that occurred after the one which took immediately after Umar(ra) declared his shahadah in public, putting his life at risk. And it seems that things had turned to such an extent that Mushrikeen wanted to kill Umar(ra) because of his conversion, because they knew that this would help the Muslims, and it eventually it turned out to be as the Mushrikeen thought, and the testimony came from other Sahaba, in the Same book, which this shia guy is quoting.
Abdullah Ibn Mas’ud (ra) said:
مَازِلْنَا أَعِزَّةً مُنْذُ أَسْلَمَ عُمَرُ
“We have been powerful since the time ‘Umar accepted Islam.” [Sahih Bukhari (3684) (3863)]
I dont think we even need to mention Umar's bravery when brainless shia starting fear topic about any sahaba. Just mention this should be enough.
al-Tusi in his book al-Ghaybah page 203, al-Murtada in his book al-Shafi volume 4 page 149 and al-Mufid in his book al-Fusoul al-Mukhtarah page 395:
لا سبب للغيبة ولا علة تمنعه من الظهور الا خوف الامام على نفسه من القتل
“The only reason behind the ghaybah (occultation) of the Mahdi and the reason that he cannot appear is that he fears that he will be killed.”
Mind you, thats someone who suppose to lead shia to fight their enemies. The fearless warrior of the shia whos been hiding for the last 1300yr ;D
The argument is based on typical Shia stupidity and dumbness. The hadeeth is cherry picked and painted with stupidity, without even realizing this event occurred due to some reasons. What was that scenario?
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: When Umar became Muslim, Quraysh did not know of that. He said: Who among the people of Makkah is most likely to tell others of what he hears? It was said to him: Jameel ibn Muammar al-Jumahi. So he went out to him, and I followed him to see what he was doing. I was a young boy but I understood everything I saw and heard. He went to him and said, O Jameel, I have become Muslim. By Allah, he did not answer him, but he got up, dragging his garment, and Umar followed him and I followed my father. He went and stood at the door of the mosque and yelled at the top of his voice: O Quraysh! – for they were gathered around the Kabah – Umar ibn al-Khattab has apostatized! Umar said from behind him, He is lying. Rather I have become Muslim and I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his Slave and Messenger.
They attacked him,[/color] but Umar leapt on Utbah ibn Rabeeah and sat on him; he started to beat him and poke his fingers in his eyes, and Utbah started screaming. Then the people kept away from him. Umar stood up and went around to all the places where he used to sit with people when he had been a disbeliever, and openly declared his Islam. (Ar-Riyad an-Nadrah, page 319). He kept fighting them until the sun reached its zenith, and Umar got tired and sat down. They gathered around him and he said: What do you want? Whilst they were like that, there came a man who was wearing a silken hullah(suit) and an embroidered shirt. He said: What is the matter with you? They said: The son of al-Khattab has changed his religion. He said: So what? A man can choose a religion for himself. Do you think that Bani Adi will let you get away with it if you kill their companion? So they dispersed. I [Ibn Umar] said to him in Madeenah: O my father, who was the man who turned the people back from you that day? He said: O my son, that was al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi.[Fadail as-Sahabah by Ahmad, 1/346. Isnad Hasan]
o, unlike what the foolish Shias think, Umar(ra) had the lion's heart to openly declare his conversion to Islam in public, at a time period when doing this would have costed his life. This shows the Bravery and courage of Umar(ra), which haters won't be able to see, as their doors of wisdom has been shut.
And as for the hadeeth in Bukhari, then this is most like the event that occurred after the one which took immediately after Umar(ra) declared his shahadah in public, putting his life at risk. And it seems that things had turned to such an extent that Mushrikeen wanted to kill Umar(ra) because of his conversion, because they knew that this would help the Muslims, and it eventually it turned out to be as the Mushrikeen thought, and the testimony came from other Sahaba, in the Same book, which this shia guy is quoting.
Abdullah Ibn Mas’ud (ra) said:
مَازِلْنَا أَعِزَّةً مُنْذُ أَسْلَمَ عُمَرُ
“We have been powerful since the time ‘Umar accepted Islam.” [Sahih Bukhari (3684) (3863)]
Subhanallah.....that should put a stupid and dumb mind to rest...
I dont think we even need to mention Umar's bravery when brainless shia starting fear topic about any sahaba. Just mention this should be enough.
al-Tusi in his book al-Ghaybah page 203, al-Murtada in his book al-Shafi volume 4 page 149 and al-Mufid in his book al-Fusoul al-Mukhtarah page 395:
لا سبب للغيبة ولا علة تمنعه من الظهور الا خوف الامام على نفسه من القتل
“The only reason behind the ghaybah (occultation) of the Mahdi and the reason that he cannot appear is that he fears that he will be killed.”
Mind you, thats someone who suppose to lead shia to fight their enemies. The fearless warrior of the shia whos been hiding for the last 1300yr ;D
You have said what i quoted it based on stupid brother, but then have gone on to present a tradition so far fetched and inconsistent with the authentic narration in al-Bukhari , and i will demonstrate to you how it was so.
SubhanAllah, on one hand we find he was willing to stand up at the top of mosques and bellow that the was a Muslim in front of others, and on the other, we find him in his house, understandably, fearing for his life that he may get killed. On one hand he fears people will kill him, and on the other, he is giving the polytheists a beating, left, right and centre. Brother, with due respect, any objective reasoning into this tradition and the authentic one in Saheeh Bukhari will demonstrate gross inconsistencies.To understand this scenario, one just requires common sense along with pure intention otherwise, they would end up rejecting established virtues of noble Sahaba, like how khawarij ended.
SubhanAllah, do you really think i merely cherrypicked and that i had not been through the traditions? My dear brother, there are some gross inconsistencies between this, and between the tradition in al-Bukhari. I am actually glad you decided to post this.Yes you did, and because of your poor understanding skills and impure intentions, you reached a wrong conclusion. Let's see...
Let me demonstrate so that is is evidently clear:What is inconsistent in these two reports ? Let me try to simply things further for your poor understanding.
1. In the tradition of al-Bukahri, Umar ibn al-Khattab is in his home in a state of fear, and al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi comes to him in his home and asks him why he fears. In your tradition he fights the polytheists from dusk to dawn and al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi meets him in the state of fighting the polytheists. These are two entirely different contexts. There is no plausible way you can reconcile them whatsoever.
This actually is against any rational reading of the tradition you posted brother, which clearly states that al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi finds him in a state of fighting from dusk to dawn, and then tells the people to disperse from him for he is under their protection, and so they move away from him. However the tradition of al-Bukhai in a state of fear in his home, and al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi then tells him that he will protect him, and after that proceeds to tell the polytheists they will not harm Umar when he is protecting him. These are two contradictory traditions and the way you have tried to reconcile them goes against clear readings of the text.
Rather, he was understandably in a state of fear in his home and required assistance from al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi for his protection, rather than being a protector over the Muslims.A sahabi who witnessed these events knows this better, than a dishonest Shia cyber critic, who is deprived of understanding skills as well.
As already explained the narration which I quoted is the event that occurred BEFORE, the hadeeth of Bukhari. And it appears inconsistent to you, because of your poor understanding skills. Just demostration of dumbness minimizes my interest to respond, so please try to increase the level of your intelligence, if you wish to receive quality response.
To understand this scenario, one just requires common sense along with pure intention otherwise, they would end up rejecting established virtues of noble Sahaba, like how khawarij ended. Both hadeeth can easily be reconciled, Initially Umar(Ra), was not just willing to proclaim about his conversion to Islam, but he actually proclaimed this infront of the Mushrikeen. Without being aware that what the exact consequence would be, would it be just a fight or the people would become blood thirsty.
They want to kill him, as they were aware that his presence would help Islam and Muslims. And a lone person can't do much to protect himself if he finds out that a group of people from the society have plans to kill him, and when people have plans to kill a person, then it's risky that the person roams around putting his life in danger, because this group could anytime attack and stab him finding him off guard. And Umar(Ra) wasn't a demigod of fairy tales to lift gates which 40 plus people couldn't lift, he was a normal man.
On day one of accepting Islam, Umar(Ra) proclaimed his conversion to Islam. Mushrikeen reacted over this by attacking him and he fought them till he was exhausted and was eventually aas bin wail came in and saved him. (Notice in this event aas bin wail didn't give Umar(Ra) protection, he just saved him in this scenario.
Following this event on the same day or the other, the second event occurred as the fire in the hearts of Mushrikeen didn't end, they wanted to kill Umar(ra). So in this one Umar(ra) stayed in his home, as people were planning to kill him. So there was no fighting from Umar in this scenario. And in this one you find aas bin wail extending his tribal protection to Umar(ra), unlike in the previous scenario.
So you see these are two different scenarios , both consistent with each other.
It's seems that finding that your argument was busted, you have resorted to lying like a typical Shia when he realizes that he is losing the argument. I demand that you please provide evidence for the highlighted portion in red about aas bin wail saying Umar(Ra) was under their protection. Because what I find is that he dispersed them saying something else nothing about protection.
So brother displaying dishonesty and then claiming that the hadeeth is not rational, are not good traits, you will lose your whole credibility by such display of dishonesty and stupidity based arrogance.
A sahabi who witnessed these events knows this better, than a dishonest Shia cyber critic, who is deprived of understanding skills as well.
He knew full well new converts were being killed, and so he decided to go around, brandish his word, poke, hit, rebuke them one after the other, and fight them dawn to dusk until he became tired? How is that not putting your life in danger?Again you make arguments based on your ignorance. Aren't you aware that during the time Umar(ra) accepted Islam. At that time new converts who had tribal background weren't killed, but rather they would be arrested and tortured, to revert back to idol worship. This is basic knowledge even a beginner knows about the seerah. That's why due to your ignorance you can't comprehend simple concepts. It's like a elementary school kid facing problem in multiplication because he has no basic knowledge. What a pity.
Brother are you aware what you quoted explicitly demonstrates he indeed was given protection?
"They gathered around him and he said: What do you want? Whilst they were like that, there came a man ( Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr) who was wearing a silken hullah(suit) and an embroidered shirt. He said: What is the matter with you? They said: The son of al-Khattab has changed his religion. He said: So what? A man can choose a religion for himself. Do you think that Bani Adi will let you get away with it if you kill their companion?"
Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr explicitly tells the people who want to attack Umar he is under there protection. Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr is also fully aware they wanted to kill Umar.
But Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr said in the weaker report you yourself quoted that "Do you think that Bani Adi will let you get away with it if you kill their companion?" Is this not explicit protection of Umar under the tribe? Did he not explicitly see they wanted to kill Umar, and then offered the protection of Umar? If so, why would he then go to Umar and ask him why he feared, when he himself saw and accused them of wanting to kill him? Why would he offer his protection again when he had already done so infant of the polytheists?Aas bin wail is not from bani Adi. He is from Bani sahm, so obviously he is not proving protection by this statement. He provided protection from Bani sahm in the hadeeth of Bukhari not the reliable hadeeth I quoted from fadhail Sahaba of Imam Ahmad.
Again you make arguments based on your ignorance. Aren't you aware that during the time Umar(ra) accepted Islam. At that time new converts who had tribal background weren't killed, but rather they would be arrested and tortured, to revert back to idol worship. This is basic knowledge even a beginner knows about the seerah. That's why due to your ignorance you can't comprehend simple concepts. It's like a elementary school kid facing problem in multiplication because he has no basic knowledge. What a pity.
LOL! Here we have two individuals from two different tribes aas bin wail who was from Bani Sahm and Umar(ra) who was from Bani adi. The scenario is that Aas bin wail says to his people that if you kill Umar(ra) then Bani adi , the tribe of Umar(ra) will seek revenge from those who would kill Umar(ra). This is just a cautionary warning of consequences. THIS IS NOT CALLED PROTECTION GRANTED BY AAS BIN WAIL TO UMAR.
MyGoodness! Guys Farid or Hani or any other brother please teach this guy some basic stuff. He doesn't know the heck about tribal protection. Or listen mate, I advice you to contact some knowledgeable Shias like Nader, etc so that they could educate you what tribal protection given to a person who is not from your tribe means.
Aas bin wail is not from bani Adi. He is from Bani sahm, so obviously he is not proving protection by this statement.
He provided protection from Bani sahm in the hadeeth of Bukhari not the reliable hadeeth I quoted from fadhail Sahaba of Imam Ahmad.
So stop humiliating yourself by arguing without proper knowledge.
Dear brother, are you aware the weaker chained report by brother Noor contradicts the authentic report in Saheeh Bukhari? Don't listen to what i say, and fairly read them both.
Al-Bukhari states: al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi met Umar in a state of fear, promised him his protection, and then told those who came outside his house to leave for he was under his protection.
The weaker tradition by brother Noor states: Umar ibn al-Khattab fought the polytheists, walked around with full confidence, beating up left right and centre, and then al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi coming in and telling the people to leave Umar and not harm him, and hence they dispersed.
Why would al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi meet Umar in as mentioned in al-Bukhari yet not know why he was in fear, if he had seen him provocative the polytheists, attack them, mock them, and fight them dawn to dusk? It is clear no such thing happened, Umar, with due respect and understandably, was fearful converting to Islam may cost his life (according to the hadith). al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi came and found him, and asked him what was wrong with him, and then promised his protection.
Two wholly different versions of the event.
Brother Noor I see has rattled you somewhat....no?Your only answer back.....”it’s a weak tradition”.......I suppose just like a certain weak divine appointment thing in middle of the desert, near a well.
It’s nothing you are plucking straws on a persons character whom you hate, simple as that.
You can try your spin elsewhere it’s not working here, if you are truly worried a kafir protected Umar ra then what about whom protected prophet saw?? By standards of Bukhari he was also kafir.
The rest of the little knowledge I have is that the tribes in that area had protection from each other. As for example new reverts back to Islam nowadays will have love and protection from their families because of their family ties, even though they the rest of the family still haven’t reverted....its natural brother!
I think you need to sit down relax and ponder instead of running like a headless chicken with your worthless posts looking for a smoking gun.
Brother your creating a mountain out of a molehill......and it’s not working.
Brother, it would be better for you to engage in my posts directly rather than jumping topics. I have not commented on the bravery of Umar, but i have rather commented on the fictitious reports of him beating up the polytheists from dawn to dusk. That is all. You are often the first to quote us if you feel we have narrated less than an authentic hadith about the virtues of Ali, so it is not unreasonable when i find gross exaggerations pertaining to his conversion, i do not do it to Umar. Stay on topic and do not continually derail the threads please.what jumping topics? Theres mention of fear, so i reminded you of the coward who has been in fear for the last 1300 years. As for fictious, i dont believe Ali's progeny would be such a coward, so yeah in reality he is a fictional character 😂😂
Why would al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi meet Umar in as mentioned in al-Bukhari yet not know why he was in fear
Aas bin Wail knew full well that they had gathered around Umar to try to threaten to attack him in your weaker report. There i ask, why on Gods earth would he express surprise and even need to ask Umar, who you allege later went into his house in fear, what was wrong when he had just witnessed attempts to harm and potentially kill him?
... clearly states that al-As ibn Wail as-Sahmi finds him in a state of fighting from dusk to dawn, and then tells the people to disperse from him for he is under their protection, and so they move away from him.
So you are claiming that Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr first met Umar fighting dawn to dusk against the Polytheists, poking at them, sitting on them, going from one polytheist to another and provoking them, and then when Umar had become tired after fighting dawn to dusk, Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr came in and told the people Umar was under his protection, so they dispersed.
Brother are you aware what you quoted explicitly demonstrates he indeed was given protection?
"They gathered around him and he said: What do you want? Whilst they were like that, there came a man ( Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr) who was wearing a silken hullah(suit) and an embroidered shirt. He said: What is the matter with you? They said: The son of al-Khattab has changed his religion. He said: So what? A man can choose a religion for himself. Do you think that Bani Adi will let you get away with it if you kill their companion?"
Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr explicitly tells the people who want to attack Umar he is under there protection.
But Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr said in the weaker report you yourself quoted that "Do you think that Bani Adi will let you get away with it if you kill their companion?" Is this not explicit protection of Umar under the tribe? Did he not explicitly see they wanted to kill Umar, and then offered the protection of Umar?
He does not explicitly have to tell Umar ' i support you and i am on your side and will not let anyone harm you' because Umar can see he is doing that by his actions, and coming into his defence. Naturally, those who follow Al-'As will also side and defend Umar ibn al-Khattab.
In the weaker tradition of Musnad Ahmad, he again comes to the defence of Umar, rebukes those who want to attack him, and then uses a clever line in making them think twice before harming him. It was evident that Al 'As was firmly on the side of Umar, that he firmly rebuked the polytheists , and that Umar knew full well he Al 'As supported him.
Protection is not only something verbal. If the polytheists saw Al 'As coming out, defending Umar, rebuking anyone who wanted to harm him as in Musnad Ahmad, they know then Umar has someone on his side, who will defend him, and who will protect him. This is why they then turned away, once they realised Umar has an ally in Al 'As. Therefore it was evident Al 'As was protecting Umar, and that he would stand up against anyone who wanted to harm him.
Al-`As bin Wail As-Sahmi Abu `Amr explicitly tells the people who want to attack Umar he is under there protection.
He does not explicitly have to tell Umar ' i support you and i am on your side and will not let anyone harm you' because Umar can see he is doing that by his actions, and coming into his defence. Naturally, those who follow Al-'As will also side and defend Umar ibn al-Khattab.Should I conclude now that one wasn't written by you and your computer was hijacked by your little sister? Because this is how you reason.
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
When Abu Dhar received the news of the Advent of the Prophet (ﷺ) he said to his brother, "Ride to this valley (of Mecca) and try to find out the truth of the person who claims to be a prophet who is informed of the news of Heaven. Listen to what he says and come back to me." So his brother set out and came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and listened to some of his talks, and returned to Abu Dhar and said to him. "I have seen him enjoining virtuous behavior and saying something that is not poetry." Abu Dhar said, "You have not satisfied me as to what I wanted." He then took his journey-food and carried a waterskin of his, containing some water till be reached Mecca. He went to the Mosque and searched for the Prophet and though he did not know him, he hated to ask anybody about him. When a part of the night had passed away, `Ali saw him and knew that he was a stranger. So when Abu Dhar saw `Ali, he followed him, and none of them asked his companion about anything, and when it was dawn, Abu Dhar took his journey food and his water-skin to the Mosque and stayed there all the day long without being perceived by the Prophet, and when it was evening, he came back to his retiring place. `Ali passed by him and said, "Has the man not known his dwelling place yet?" So `Ali awakened him and took him with him and none of them spoke to the other about anything. When it was the third day. `Ali did the same and Abu Dhar stayed with him. Then `Ali said "Will you tell me what has brought you here?" Abu Dhar said, "If you give me a firm promise that you will guide me, then I will tell you." `Ali promised him, and he informed `Ali about the matter. `Ali said, "It is true, and he is the Messenger of Allah. Next morning when you get up, accompany me, and if I see any danger for you, I will stop as if to pass water, but if I go on, follow me and enter the place which I will enter." Abu Dhar did so, and followed `Ali till he entered the place of the Prophet, and Abu Dhar went in with him, Abu Dhar listened to some of the Prophet's talks and embraced Islam on the spot. The Prophet (ﷺ) said to him, "Go back to your people and inform them (about it) till you receive my order." Abu Dhar said, "By Him in Whose Hand my life is, I will proclaim my conversion loudly amongst them (i.e. the pagans)." So he went out, and when he reached the Mosque, he said as loudly as possible, "I bear witness that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah." The People got up and beat him painfully. Then Al-Abbas came and knelt over him ((to protect him) and said (to the people), "Woe to you! Don't you know that this man belongs to the tribe of Ghifar and your trade to Sha'm is through their way?" So he rescued him from them. Abu Dhar again did the same the next day. They beat him and took vengeance on him and again Al-Abbas knelt over him (to protect him).
MyGoodness! Guys Farid or Hani or any other brother please teach this guy some basic stuff. He doesn't know the heck about tribal protection. Or listen mate, I advice you to contact some knowledgeable Shias like Nader, etc so that they could educate you what tribal protection given to a person who is not from your tribe means.
For the first argument you said the following:
I can't believe my eyes, you can't possibly be serious or think this is remotely a serious argument. Going from (1) to (2) is already wrong. A question being asked does not prove ignorance. Dude, are you serious, if I haven't seen a person for fifteen minutes and something is wrong I ask what's wrong even if I know. Apparently, according to you when he asked "Where are you going?" to the people he didn't know where they were going as well. How in the world can you keep pushing such a weak argument?
Secondly, even for argument's sake ignoring the major error going from (1) to (2), going from (2) to (3) is also wrong because he just dispersed them so he might not understand why Umar should be fearful. Why would Umar be fearful if he just dispersed them? Then he came to understand that they were going to return again to kill him, so how is this contradictory?
As for the second argument you said the following:
Again you are wrong going from (1) to (2), but I find it far more interesting that you changed your stance after Noor-us-Sunnah proved your ignorance. First you said al 'Aas was "explicitly" declaring his protection in the above comments and then you said that he was implicitly declaring it as an explicit declaration wasn't necessary to show that he offered it:
Dear God, if the two reports are irreconcilable then what about the two statements:Should I conclude now that one wasn't written by you and your computer was hijacked by your little sister? Because this is how you reason.
As for your second stance that protection was offered merely by one's actions, then you are wrong again:
Apparently, according to you then al Abbas offered protection to Abu Dhar, yet the people beat Abu Dhar a second time and then al Abbas again offered him protection and according to other reports Abu Dhar got beat up again and al Abbas offered him protection once more (apparently there is no issue then that protection is offered multiple times). I can only quote Noor-us-Sunnah:
WhoaretheShias does have a point.All normal human have fear, but the biggest shame is if so called superhuman fear for 1300+ year 😉
Noor, the narration that you have presented is weak due to the 'an'ana of Ibn Ishaaq. I am not sure why there is any need to reconcile it with the narration in Saheeh Al-Bukhari.
Keep in mind that there is no shame in fearing for one's life under such circumstances. They all lived in a closed-knit community that actually killed some who converted to Islam. There is also no shame in Omar receiving protection from a mushrik uncle. Even the Prophet peace be upon him received protection from his mushrik uncle. Where is the shame in this?
Exactly why the OP has no credibility. How can you attack anyone for being fearful of their life when your leader has been hiding in fear for over a millenium & you believe in Imams who misguided out of fear?To be fair, he said it could be merit for Umar that he still converted even when he fear for his life. Besides even if he was afraid, we know hes been to many battles and never hide from his enemy all his life let alone for 1300+ year. He was brave enough to face his enemies, unlike the most coward leader ever in the history of mankind.
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: When `Umar embraced Islam, all The (disbelieving) people gathered around his home and said, "`Umar has embraced Islam." At that time I was still a boy and was on the roof of my house. There came a man wearing a cloak of Dibaj (i.e. a kind of silk), and said, "`Umar has embraced Islam. Nobody can harm him for I am his protector." I then saw the people going away from `Umar and asked who the man was, and they said, "Al-`As bin Wail."
WhoaretheShias does have a point.
Noor, the narration that you have presented is weak due to the 'an'ana of Ibn Ishaaq. I am not sure why there is any need to reconcile it with the narration in Saheeh Al-Bukhari.
Keep in mind that there is no shame in fearing for one's life under such circumstances. They all lived in a closed-knit community that actually killed some who converted to Islam. There is also no shame in Omar receiving protection from a mushrik uncle. Even the Prophet peace be upon him received protection from his mushrik uncle. Where is the shame in this?
@whoaretheshia
I was going to respond but I first wanted to know if you are aware of the following narration in Sahih al Bukhari and your view regarding it:
Is this reconcilable with the narration you shared?
Exactly why the OP has no credibility. How can you attack anyone for being fearful of their life when your leader has been hiding in fear for over a millenium & you believe in Imams who misguided out of fear?
There's a bunch of stories about how he embraced Islam, one can go and reconcile but they're mostly weak anyway. As for the story in the OP it shows the man's bravery as was previously stated, for he openly embraced Islam, he was a remarkable figure in Quraysh, the news spread and a mob gathered to kill him, he didn't run or hide, he stayed in his house knowing he might face certain death.I always love to mention the red part. It shows how pathetic their current leader is 😁
If you want to read all the stories check Ibn al-Jawzi's book on `Umar he includes them with their chains.