To Counter Rawafids..

[Shia not Rafidi]

Assalamo Alaykum Brothers in Islam..
you would be surprised to see me posting so many questions one by one in here but trust me this is the only way i feel sunnis are somehow still strong and defending tye Ashab e Rasool PBUH, as i see so many Rawafids insulting Khulfa e Slasa and it makes me sad and disappointed that only one sunni dares to reply them in the comment section.. And so our noob players (sunnis) lose their game and end up believing that first 3 don't deserve be treated how we treat them, because we have no Emotions card in our pocket, the biggest weapon Rafidis have..
so brothers while encountering such Rawafids, i come across so many narrations from history amd tafseer (but only few with Sahih isnad) that how the first 3 lived.. Like they were coward, they were illiterate and blah blah blah.. So i need you to provide me a link to some absurd and ridiculous shia narrations so i can use the same tactic on them if they try to change the real topic to fire empty shots at khulfa e Salasa..
thanks

[muslim720]

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

While I do not understand your request, you have touched upon something that is implicit in your post.

Recently, under a pseudonym Facebook account, I have entered the den of Rawaafidh; you follow one and you keep getting suggestions for other scum Rawaafidh from the same background living in the same region.  They are usually easy to spot.  Their profile pictures is some variation of Allahyari's antics or the Shi'i child murdered in Saudi Arabia (a despicable act, in fact haraam) or some photoshopped image to insult Ayatollah Khamenei.

The phrase "B.U.L." is their central theme; B = bar and L = la'anat and U....the name of the Second Rightly-Guided Caliph (ra).  That is just the usual.  What is worse is that they openly charge Mothers of the Believers (ra) with borderline prostitution.  I saw a lewd image of a woman and the caption read, "My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard - Aisha (piss be upon her)".

Is there any good reason why we should even present something to them?  Honestly, I have made up my mind that it is best to rub salt in their wounds.  I keep reminding them how their "infallible" Imams (ra) failed.  Their "infallibles" (ra) were beaten, dragged, defeated and even when they were in power, they were practically helpless.

[Shia not Rafidi]

I keep reminding them how their "infallible" Imams (ra) failed.  Their "infallibles" (ra) were beaten, dragged, defeated and even when they were in power, they were practically helpless.

That's what I'm asking for..an article showing how absurd their Ahadith are and how their imams spread lies (in fact the Rwafids who attributed such things to their imams)

[Rationalist]

i come across so many narrations from history amd tafseer (but only few with Sahih isnad) that how the first 3 lived.. Like they were coward, they were illiterate and blah blah blah.. So i need you to provide me a link to some absurd and ridiculous shia narrations so i can use the same tactic on them if they try to change the real topic to fire empty shots at khulfa e Salasa..
thanks

Here is what I can gather so far:
Narrations where it openly says the 12th Imam disappeared due to fear.
Hisham ibn Hakam slandered Abi Bakr for fear, yet himself used to tremble in fear. It got so bad that he had heart problems.
Zurara ibn Ayan raised his voice at Imam Baqer.
Zurara ibn Ayan saying al Baqer is an old man who doesn't know how to debate.
Sharif Murtaza being a jahil in fiqh where Shaykh Mufid sees a dog urinating on his horse's saddle and Sharif Murtaza says since its only one person who saw this its okay for him to sit on the urinated saddle.
Shaykh Mufid making similar mistakes to Umar in fiqh and the 12th Imam comes and saves him.
100,000 Rafidah in the time of Imam Jafar say they gave him bayah, but Imam Jafar says I can't even find 17 among them to back me up.
12th Imam killing Zaydis
12th Imam destroying Sunni mosques.
12th Imam not following the Sunnah of Prophet (pbuh) or Imam Ali (as)
12th Imam being killed by Jewish women.
Imam Jafar giving one fiqhi ruling to Sunni and another to 12er Shia.
Rafidah being such cowards that none of them attended Imam Musa al Kazim's funeral.
Hisham ibn Hakam believed God had a unique body.
Hisham ibn Saleem saying God has a body.
Imam Jafar cursing Zurara.

Let me know if you are interested in any of these points.

[muslim720]

Hisham ibn Hakam slandered Abi Bakr for fear, yet himself used to tremble in fear. It got so bad that he had heart problems.
Zurara ibn Ayan raised his voice at Imam Baqer.
Zurara ibn Ayan saying al Baqer is an old man who doesn't know how to debate.
100,000 Rafidah in the time of Imam Jafar say they gave him bayah, but Imam Jafar says I can't even find 17 among them to back me up.
Imam Jafar giving one fiqhi ruling to Sunni and another to 12er Shia.
Rafidah being such cowards that none of them attended Imam Musa al Kazim's funeral.
Hisham ibn Hakam believed God had a unique body.
Hisham ibn Saleem saying God has a body.

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

If you could provide the narrations for the above-mentioned points, I will be forever grateful and indebted.

JazakAllah khair!

[Rationalist]

12er Shia Mahdi  Disappeared due to Fear

H 892, Ch. 80, h 5
Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from al-Hassan ibn Musa al-Khashshab from ‘Abdallah ibn Musa from ‘Abdallah ibn Bukayr from Zurarah who has said the following. "The young boywill disappear from the public sight before his rise (with divine power)" The narrator has said,"I then asked, "Why (would that has to take place)?" The Imam (a.s.) said, "He will be afraid." He pointed out with his hand to his midsection. Then he said, "O zurara, "He is the one whose reappearance is expected. He is the one whose coming to this world through birth will be doubted. Certain people will say, "his father died without leaving any son behind."
Certain others will say, "Just before the dead of his father his mother conceived him." Still others will say, "He was born two years before the death of his father." He is the one whose reappearance is expected. The fact is that Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most gracious, loves to try and test the Shi‘a (his followers). It in such a condition that people of falsehood will raise doubts, O Zurara)."
The narrator has said, "I then said, May Allah take my soul in service for your cause, if will be alive at the time of his rise with divine power what should I do?" The Imam (a.s.) said, "O Zurara, if you will live up to such time then say the following prayer. "O Lord make me know You for if you would not make me know You I will not know Your prophet. O Lord, make me know Your Messenger, for if You would not make me know your Messenger I will not know the one who possesses Your authority over the creatures. O Lord make me know the one who possesses Your authority over the creatures for if You will not make me know him I will stray away from my religion." Then he said, "O Zurara, it is necessary that a young boy
must be murdered in the city of Madina." I then said, "May Allah take my soul in service for your cause, would he not be killed in the hands of the army of al-Sufyani?" He said, "No, but the army of the tribe of so and so will kill him. They will come to inter Madina, thus, they take hold of the young boy and kill him. When they will murder him in transgression, animosity and injustice they will not then be given respite. At such time good news will be expected, if Allah would so will. (al-Kafi)"


H 896, Ch. 80, h 9
Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ja'far ibn Muhammad from al-Hassan ibn
Mu‘awiya from ‘Abdallah ibn Jabala from ‘Abdallah ibn Bukayr from Zurara who has said
the following. "I heard abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) say as herein below. "The person who will rise to Divine power on earth will disappear from the public sight before he will do so." I then asked, "Why, will happen so?" He said, "He will be afraid." He then pointed to his midsection meaning thereby being murdered." (ibid)

H 905, Ch. 80, h 18
Through the same chain of narrators it is narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from his
father, Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from ibn Bukayr from Zurara who has said the following. " AlQa’im (the one who will rise with Divine Authority) will disappear before he will rise with divine power. He will suffer fear. The Imam (a.s.) pointed to his midsection, meaning thereby being murdered." (ibid)


H 916, Ch. 80, h 29
Al-Husayn ibn Ahmad has narrated from from Ahmad ibn Hilal who has said that ‘Uthman
ibn ‘Isa narrated to us from Khalid ibn Najih from Zurara ibn A‘yan that abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) has said the following. "It will be necessary for the young boy to disappear from the public sight." I then asked, "Why it will be necessary?" He said, "Because he will have fear- he then pointed towards his midsection. He will be the one whose reappearance will be intensely expected. It will be he in whose being born people will have doubts. Certain people will say, "His mother has just conceived him." Others will say, "His father died but left no surviving son." Certain others will say, "He was born two years before the death of his father." Zurara has said, "I said to him, ‘What do you command me if will attain that time?" The Imam (a.s.) said, "Pray to Allah in the following words. "O Lord, make me know You for if you would not make me know You I will not know You. O Lord, make me know Your prophet, for if You would not make me know your Messenger I will never know him. O Lord, make me know the one who possesses Your authority over the creatures for if You will not make me know him I will stray away from my religion." Ahmad ibn Hilal has said, "I had heard this
hadith fifty six years ago." (ibid)

[Rationalist]

Zurara Raises His Voice
https://ibb.co/nMrvdXZ

[Rationalist]

Zurarah bin Ayan Doubted the Debating Abilities of Imam
علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن عبد الرحمن بن الحجاج عن زرارة قال: قلت لابي جعفر عليه السلام: يدخل النار مؤمن؟ قال: لا والله، قلت: فما يدخلها إلا كافر؟ قال: لا إلا من شاء الله، فلما رددت عليه مرارا قال لي: أي زرارة إني أقول: لا وأقول: إلا من شاء الله وأنت تقول: لا ولا تقول: إلا من شاء الله، قال: فحدثني هشام بن الحكم وحماد، عن زرارة قال: قلت في نفسي: شيخ لاعلم له بالخصومة. قال: فقال لي: يا زرارة ماتقول فيمن أقر لك بالحكم أتقتله؟ ما تقول في خدمكم وأهليكم أتقتلهم؟ قال: فقلت: أنا والله الذي لا علم لي بالخصومة.

Zurarah narrates that I to Imam Baqir : Will Momin enter hellfire? He said : By God, no. I said : Will only a kafir go to hellfire? He said : No, but whomever Allah wills. I repeated the same again and again , so he said : O Zurarah, I say no, and I say, except whom Allah wills. And you say, no, and you don't say, except whom Allah wills. Hisham bin Hakam and Hammad narrates from Zurarah that he said : I said to myself, the old man doesn't know about debate. Then he said : Then (the imam) said to me : O Zurarah, what do you say about your servant, and your ahl. Will you kill them? Then he (i.e Zurarah) said : I then said to myself : It is me , by God, who doesn't have knowledge of debate. (Usul min al-Kafi, Vol. 2, p. 385-386)

[Rationalist]

Sharif Murtaza says its Okay to sit on a urinated saddle if there is only one witness.

There is a very interesting incident of a disciple giving an edict (Fatwa) contrary to that of his mentor! It is said that on the saddle of the steed of Sayed Murtada a dog had passed urine. Sheik Mufeed, who had witnessed the scene, informed Sayed Murtada that the saddle was rendered impure (Najis) with the dog’s urine. Sayed Murtada replied that whatever Sheik Murtada said must be true, but his own Fatwa (Verdict) was that there must be at least two witnesses giving evidence to agree about the event happening. Since the Sheik was the only witness, his evidence wasn’t sufficient. The argument prolonged and in the end it was decided to seek a solution to the problem from Hazrat Amir al Momineen (a.s). Hence both the persons proceeded to Najaf e Ashraf. There are three different narrations regarding this event. They wrote their problem on a piece of paper and left it in the Zarih (Sarcophagus) of Amir al Momineen (a.s). One narration is that when the mentor and the disciple reached the mausoleum next morning, they heard the voice of Hazrat Amir al Momineen (a.s) saying “Ya Sheik anta motamadi wal haq maa waladi ( O Sheik! You are the secretary, but the truth is with the son!). The second narration was that the paper was recovered on which was written the same verdict. The third narration was that both, the mentor and the disciple, dreamed in their sleep when Hazrat Ameer al Momineen (a.s) came and said that the truth was with his son and also that he (a.s) had total faith in his secretary (Sheik Mufeed).
http://www.islam-laws.com/marja/mufeed.htm

[Rationalist]

12th Imam Correct Shaykh Mufid Fiqhi View
The greatness of the Sheik may well be gauged from this incident. In the same mosque at Baghdad, where he used to conduct his classes, he was seated when a villager arrived and posed a question to him. He said that a woman had, just then, died in the village and she had a live fetus in her stomach. There was a dispute amongst the villagers as to whether they should bury the fetus along with the dead mother or extricate the baby live and then intern the woman. Some people say that saving the life of the baby was important and others say that conducting any such operation would be disrespect to the dead person. The Sheik, of course, was a fallible being, and at that moment somehow it came to his mind, he told to the villager to go and bury the dead woman in the same condition that she was. The man immediately set forth for the village. When he reached near the village he heard someone calling him from a distance. He stopped. One person, riding on a horse, came near him and said that the Sheikh’s Fatwa was changed and he had asked to deliver the fetus live from the mother’s womb and then the dead body may be buried. He acted on the fresh edict. After some days the villager again visited Baghdad and called on the Sheik. He told him that they had acted according to the instruction conveyed through the rider and had delivered the baby live before interning the mother. Sheik Mufeed understood who it was who corrected his error! The Sheik told to himself, “O Sheik! Your mind has stopped functioning that you should stop giving Fatwa. Your error would have been the cause of the death of a Muslim” From that day he stopped giving Fatwa. After some time he received a letter from the Imam (a.s) asking him to continue giving Fatwa. He wrote that it was the Sheik’s duty to give Fatwa and if he made any errors, the Imam (a.s) would correct them. Such a great personality was the Sheik that he was guided from time to time by Janab e Syeda (a.s) and the Imams (a.s).
http://www.islam-laws.com/marja/mufeed.htm

[Rationalist]

Will post the rest tomorrow. I stored a lot of these notes on my blog.
http://proahlulbayt1.blogspot.com/

[muslim720]

Once again, jazakAllah khair

[Rationalist]

Imam Jafar Did Not Declare His Imamate Because He Couldn't Even Find 17 Loyal Supporters.

H 2311, CH 96, h 4

Muhammad ibn al-Hassan and Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Bandar have narrated from Ibrahim ibn Ishaq from ‘Abd Allah ibn Hammad al-Ansari from Sadir al- Sayrafi who has said the following:

“Once I went in the presence of abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, and said, ‘By Allah, it is your obligation not to sit (without proclaiming your leadership).’ The Imam asked, ‘Why O Sadir?’ I said, ‘Because your friends, Shi’a (followers) and supporters are so many. By Allah, were Amir al-Mu’minin (Ali ibn abu Talib), recipient of divine supreme covenant, to have that many Shi’a (followers) as your Shi’a, friends and supporters, no one of the tribe of Tamim or ‘Ady could dare to disturb him.’ The Imam said, ‘O Sadir, how many do you think they are?’ I said, ‘One hundred thousand.’ The Imam said, ‘One hundred thousand!’ I said, ‘Yes, in fact, they are up to two hundred thousand, and I said, ‘Half of the world (population) is your Shi’a.’

“The narrator has said that the Imam remained calm and then said, ‘Is it possible to come with us to Yanbu’?’ I said, ‘It is fine with me.’ He then asked to bring a donkey and a mule already saddled. I hurried to ride the donkey and he said, ‘O Sadir, can you consider to allow me ride the donkey?’ I said, ‘The mule is more beautiful and noble.’ He said, ‘The donkey is friendlier for me.’ I then dismounted and he rode the donkey and I rode the mule. We traveled until it was time for prayer. He said, ‘O Sadir, dismount and we should pray.’ Then he said, ‘This ground is soft, prayer is not permissible here.’ We moved to a red ground and he looked to a boy who shepherded goats. He said, ‘O Sadir, were I to have as many Shi’a (followers) as the number of these goats, then it would not have been permissible for me to sit (without proclaiming my leadership).’ We dismounted and prayed. When we finished the prayer I turned to the goats and counted them. There were seventeen heads of goats in the flock.’” (al-Kafi)

[Rationalist]

Imam Jafar giving one fiqhi ruling to Sunni and another to 12er Shia.

Ahmad ibn Idris from Muhamad ibn 'Abdul-Jabbar from al-Hassan ibn 'Ali from Tha'alabah ibn Maymoun from Zurarah ibn A'ayun that he said: I asked Imam al-Baqir (as) a question so the Imam gave me the answer then another man came and asked the same question so the Imam gave him a different answer, then another one came and asked about it so the Imam gave him a completely different answer than both of us. when both men left I asked the Imam: "O son of Rassul Allah, two men from 'Iraq and from your Shia came to ask you but you gave each of them different answers." He replied: "O Zurarah, this is good for us so that we may remain safer because if you all agree on this then the people will believe in it and they would be guided to us but we will not remain for long."
Later I said to his son al-Sadiq (as): "Your Shia always walk away from you with different opinions and answers" so he gave me the same reply as his father.
source: al-Kafi 1/65.
al-Majlisi said: Muwaththaq like the Sahih.
al-Behbudi said: Sahih.
Ali ibn Ibrahim from his father from ibn abi Najran from 'Assim bin Humayd from Mansour ibn Hazim who said: I said to al-Sadiq (as): "What is the matter with you, I ask a question and you give me an answer then another man comes and asks it so you give him a completely different one?" The Imam replied: "we answer people in matters of addition and deletion." I said to him: "Then tell me about the companions of Rassul-Allah SAWS do they narrate truthful narrations or do they lie?" the Imam said: "They are truthful" I asked: "Why did they differ?" he replied: "Do you not know that a man used to come to Rassul-Allah SAWS and ask a question then he answers him but later he would answer to the same question differently because the Ahadith they abrogate each other."
source: al-Kafi 1/65.
al-Majlisi said: Hasan.

[Rationalist]

The 12th Imam Will Kill the Zaidis for rejecting him
ويسير إلى الكوفة، فيخرج منها ستة عشر ألفا من البترية، شاكين في السلاح، قراء القرآن، فقهاء في الدين، قد قرحوا جباههم، وشمروا ثيابهم، وعمهم النفاق، وكلهم يقولون: يا بن فاطمة، ارجع لا حاجة لنا فيك. فيضع السيف فيهم على ظهر النجف عشية الاثنين من العصر إلى العشاء، فيقتلهم أسرع من جزر جزور، فلا يفوت منهم رجل، ولا يصاب من أصحابه أحد، دماؤهم قربان إلى الله. ثم يدخل الكوفة فيقتل مقاتليها حتى يرضى الله عز وجل
Imām al-Bāqir (as) has said: ''[Then he - Imām al-Mahdī] will set out towards Kufa, then from that city 16.000 people of al-Batriyyah will confront him, armed with weapons, reciters of Qur’an, Fuqaha of religion, their foreheads have sign of prostration, their faces are yellow due to fasting, but their aim is hypocrisy, all of them will say: O son of Fatimah (sa) go back, we do not need you, so he will confront them with sword in the back of Kufa, on Monday from noon to evening he will kill them faster than slaughtering the camels. So no one from them will remain and from the companions of Imām (as) no one will get harmed. Their blood is a sacrifice for Allah. Then he will enter Al-Kufa and with fight with its fighter so that Allah is pleased.'' Source: Dala'il al-Imamah by Ṭabarī al-Imami, page 239,

[Rationalist]

Rafidah Didn't Show Any Support To Imam Musa Al Kazim (as)

https://youtu.be/pv5tvutjvzQ

[Rationalist]

 Shaykh Saduq cites in his book on Tawhid.

H 280, Ch. 11, h 5
Ali ibn Muhammad, in a marfu‘ manner, has narrated from Muhammad ibn al-Faraj al-
Rukhkhaji who has said the following. "I wrote to Imam abu al-Hassan (a.s.), about the words of Hisham ibn al-Hakam, about the body and the words of Hisham ibn Salim about the form (of Allah). He wrote in reply, ‘Remove from thyself the confusion of the confounded people and seek refuge from Allah against Shaytan (Satan). What the two Hishams have said is not correct. (al Kafi)


The translator places a note claiming that this ahadith is rated marfu in traditional sciences. Next he tells the reader to refer to the commentary of Usul al –Kafi by Mawla Salil Mazindarani vol 3 pg288



H 276, Ch. 11, h 1
Ahmad ibn Idris has narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Jabbar from Safwan ibn Yahya from Ali ibn abu Hamzah, who has said the following.
"I stated before abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) that I have heard Hisham ibn al-Hakam quoting you that Allah is a body of Self-subsisting nature and is from light. He can very clearly be recognized and He bestows such knowledge to whoever among His creatures He wills." The Imam said,
"Glorious is He, Whom no one knows how He is except He Himself. There is no one similar to Him and He is All-hearing, All-seeing. He cannot be limited, nor can He be felt or touched or moved. Eyes cannot see Him nor any of the senses can comprehend Him. He cannot be contained in anything, nor has He any body or form or figure or confine." (al-Kafi)



Ali bin Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Imran al Daqqaq said: Muhammad ibn Abu Abd allah al Kufi said: Muhammad ibn Ismail al Barmaki said: on the authority of al-Husyan ibn al Hasan, and al Husayn ibn Ali on the authority of Salih ibn Abu Hammad, on the authority of Abd Allah ibn Al Mughayrah, on the authority of Muhammad ibn Ziyad said: I heard Yunus ibn Zabyan say

I entered in the presence of Abu Abdullah al Sadiq (as) and told him:
Hisham ibn al Hakam made a long statement. I will simply summarize it. He considers Allah to be a body because things are two types: bodies and actions of bodies. Hence, if it not possible for the Creator to be an action, it is only possible that he is Doer.

Then Abu Abdullah (as) replied: “Woe to him! Does he not know that a body and an image is extremely limited. Hence, if a limit is possible then increase and decrease are possible, then He is created.”


Ali bin Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Imran al Daqqaq said: Muhammad ibn Abu Abd allah al Kufi said: Muhammad ibn Ismail al Barmaki said: on the authority of Ali bin Al Abbas, on the authority of al-Hasan ibn Abd Al-Rahman al Hammani that
I said to Abu Al Hasan Musa ibn Jafar (as), Hisham ibn Al Hakam thinks that Allah is a body. There is nothing whatsoever like unto Him, the All-Knowing, the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing, the Omnipotent, the Speaker, and the Communicator. Speech, Omnipotence and Knowledge flow from the One same source, None of these things are created.

Imam Musa Al Kazim (as) replied “May Allah Kill Him (Hisham ibn Hakam) ! Does he not know that a body is limited, and the speech is other than then the speaker? Allah forbid, I am free from such words. He is devoid of both body and image. He has no limits, and everything other than Him is created. Verily, everything that exists is the result of his Will and Intent which is expressed without words, the use of the tongue, or any reluctance or hesitation.



Muhammad ibn Musa ibn Al Mutawakkil said “Ali ibn Ibrahim ibn Hishim said on the authority of his father, on the authority of al Saqr ibn [Abu] Dulaf that
I asked Abu Al Hasan Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Ali Ibn Musa Al Rida (ra) about Divine unity: Verily, I say what Hisham ibn Al Hakam said:
So he (as) became angry and said:
What is the matter with you and Hisham ? Indeed, he is not from us who thinks that Allah the Mighty and High has a body. We are free from such a person in this world, and in the Hereafter. On son of [Abu ] Dulaf! Verily, the body is created and Allah is its Creator.

[Rationalist]

Rijal al-Kashshi: Muhammad b. Qulawayh from Muhammad b. Abi al-Qasim Majluwayh from Ziyad b. Abi al-Hallal who said: I said to Abi Abdillah عليه السلام: Zurara has narrated something on your authority about Istita`a so we accepted it from him and considered him truthful in it, but I wish to present it to you [to confirm its validity], he said: go ahead, I said: he claims that he asked you about the words of Allah Mighty and Majestic “and pilgrimage to the House is a duty owed by Allah to the people - for whoever has the capacity to find a way to it” (3:97) so you said: [capacity means] whoever possesses provision and an animal to carry him, he said to you: whoever possesses provision and an animal then he is capable of performing Hajj even if he does not go on to perform it? you said: yes. He said: that is not what he asked me nor what I replied to him, he has lied about me by Allah, he has lied about me by Allah, may Allah curse Zurara, may Allah curse Zurara, may Allah curse Zurara, he had said to me: the one who possesses provision and an animal does he have the capacity for making the Hajj? I said: it has become obligatory upon him, he said: is he Mustati` [capable - wanting by it to infer a theological signification]? I said: no, until he is given permission [by Allah], I said: can I inform Zurara of this [conversation]? he said: yes, Ziyad said: so I traveled to Kufa and met up with Zurara, I informed him of what Abu Abdillah عليه السلام had said to me but did not include the Imam’s cursing of him, he said: verily, he [the Imam] has given me the doctrine of Istita`a without being aware of having done so, and this man of yours [al-Sadiq] is not familiar with the theological debates of the people.