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Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => General Sunni-Shia => Topic started by: MuslimK on December 27, 2014, 10:16:51 PM
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اسلام علیکم
Just wanted to put a copy of the link on this forum too.
Sunni Forum link:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?57727-Various-scandalous-and-corrupt-beliefs-of-Twelver-Shias
Internet Archive Link (In case something happens to Sunni Forum):
https://web.archive.org/web/20121121044939/http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?57727-Various-scandalous-and-corrupt-beliefs-of-Twelver-Shias
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This is old stuff, just remember the translation of the author and his understanding might not have been sound.
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This is old stuff, just remember the translation of the author and his understanding might not have been sound.
Asalamualaikum.
Which, author?
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Asalamualaikum.
Which, author?
Walaikum Salam wr wb,
TripolySunni
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Akhuna Abu Muslim, pls use this thread to post all the stuff of Hani here. Gems wallahi!
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Asalamualaikum.
Which, author?
Walaikum Salam wr wb,
TripolySunni
Ah, I got it, yeah. It was a while ago wasn't it.
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Akhuna Abu Muslim, pls use this thread to post all the stuff of Hani here. Gems wallahi!
193 pages :(
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But look akhi, make the intention, I did not mean that you post everything in one day. You can post once post a day! Making this thread here a proper collection.
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Akhuna Abu Muslim, pls use this thread to post all the stuff of Hani here. Gems wallahi!
193 pages :(
I'll help you.
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^ Then start with the name of Allah.
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^ Then start with the name of Allah.
PM me brother, so we can put together a plan or is just posting anything that seems beneficial?
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PM me brother, so we can put together a plan or is just posting anything that seems beneficial?
Anything beneficial i.e. the posts of TripolySunni that contain scans/screenshots, online links to shia websites or translation of shia narrations.
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PM me brother, so we can put together a plan or is just posting anything that seems beneficial?
Anything beneficial i.e. the posts of TripolySunni that contain scans/screenshots, online links to shia websites or translation of shia narrations.
I'll start tomorrow, Insh'Allah.
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Narrations brought forward by brother Hani to state the Prophet (SAW) had many possessions before he (SAW passed away.
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The issue is that the Prophet PBUH had several possessions before he died, one of them is a piece of land called Fadak, So after he PBUH passed away his daughter Fatima (ra) came to ask the Caliph of the Muslims Abu Bakr (ra) about the inheritance and her share from the land but she did not know that the Prophet PBUH said:
The Prophet PBUH said: The learned(Scholars) are the heirs of the Prophets, and the Prophets leave neither dinar nor dirham, leaving only knowledge, and he who takes it takes an abundant portion.
(Sunan Abu Dawood, Book #25, Hadith #3634)
Hadith: SAHIH
And he also said:
Narrated Abu Huraira RAA: Allah's Apostle said, "My heirs will not inherit a dinar or a Dirham (i.e. money), for whatever I leave excluding the adequate support of my wives(Nafaqah) and the wages of my employees (All else) is given in charity."
(Sahih al bukhari Book #51, Hadith #37)
Hadith: SAHIH
Narrated Amr bin Al-Harith RAA: (The brother of the wife of Allah's Apostle. Juwaira bint Al-Harith) When Allah's Apostle died, he did not leave any Dirham or dinar (i.e. money), a slave or a slave woman or anything else except his white mule, his arms and a piece of land which he had given in charity .
(Sahih al bukhari - Book #51, Hadith #2)
Hadith: SAHIH
Also:
Narrated 'Urwa RAA: 'Aisha said, "When Allah's Apostle died, his wives intended to send 'Uthman to Abu Bakr asking him for their share of the inheritance." Then 'Aisha said to them, "Didn't Allah's Apostle say, 'Our (Apostles') property is not to be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be spent in charity?'"
[Sahih al Bukhari]
In a Long narration al Abbas RAA and fatima bint Muhammad RAA came to the caliph Abu Bakr RAA to ask for their share of a Land (Fadak) left by the Prophet PBUH:
Abu Bakr said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'We (Prophets), our property is not inherited, and whatever we leave is Sadaqa, but Muhammad's Family can eat from this property, i.e. Allah's property, but they have no right to take more than the food they need.' By Allah! I will not bring any change in dealing with the Sadaqa of the Prophet (and will keep them) as they used to be observed in his (i.e. the Prophet's) life-time, and I will dispose with it as Allah's Apostle used to do," Then 'Ali said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that Muhammad is His Apostle," and added, "O Abu Bakr! We acknowledge your superiority." Then he (i.e. 'Ali) mentioned their own relationship to Allah's Apostle and their right so Abu Bakr replied: "By Allah in Whose Hands my life is. I love to do good to the relatives of Allah's Apostle rather than to my own relatives" Abu Bakr added: Look at Muhammad through his family (i.e. if you are no good to his family you are not good to him).
[Sahih al Bukhari]
What happened was that Fatima (ra) was saddened and one narration said "angry" and she did not dispute with Caliph Abu Bakr (ra) once the truth was revealed to her, she left but the Caliph felt bad so he went to Ali's (ra) house later:
“When Fatima became ill, Abu Bakr came to her and asked for permission to enter. So Ali said, ‘O Fatima, this is Abu Bakr asking for permission to enter.’ She answerd, ‘Do you want me to give him permission?’ He said, ‘Yes.’ So she allowed him (to enter), and he came in seeking her pleasure, so he told her: ‘By Allah, I only left my home and property and my family seeking the pleasure of Allah and His Messenger and you, O Ahlel Bayt.’ So he talked to her until she was pleased with him.” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqi)
This Hadith is narrated by Bayhaqi in al Sunan al Kubra (6:300-301) and Dala’il al-Nubuwwa (7:273-281) who said: “It is narrated with a good (hasan) chain.” Muhibb al Din al-Tabari cited it in al Riyad Al Nadira (2:96-97 #534) and Dhahabi in the Siyar (Ibid). Ibn Kathir states it as Sahih in his Al Bidayah and Ibn Hajar in his Fath Al Bari.
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Narrations brought forward by brother Hani to show how Ali (RA) was not infallible.
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Ali (kw) asks Allah to forgive his sins and his shortcomings:
اللهم إغفرلي ما أنت أعلم به مني ، فإن عدت فعد علي بالمغفرة ، اللهم أغفر لي ما وأيت من نفسي ولم تجد له وفاءً عندي اللهم إغفرلي ما تقربت له إليك بلساني ثم خالفه قلبي ، اللهم اغفر لي رمزات الألحاظ ، وسقطات الألفاظ ، وشهوات الجنان ، وهفوات اللسان
نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس الحسّون
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
خطبة رقم
[ 77 ]
ومن كلمات له (عليه السلام) كان يدعوبها
(ص 131 - ص 162)
Ali (ra) said: "O' my Lord! Forgive me what Thou knowest about me more than I do. If I return (to the sins) Thou return to forgiveness. My Lord forgive me what I had promised to myself but Thou didst not find its fulfilment with me. My Lord forgive me that with what I sought nearness to Thee with my tongue but my heart opposed and did not perform it. My Lord forgive me winkings of the eye, vile utterances, desires of the heart and errors of speech."
source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sermon 77.
Ali (kw) asks the people to advise him and correct him because he is not above error:
لا تُخَالِطُونِي بالْمُصَانَعَةِ(2)، وَلاَ تَظُنّوا بِيَ اسْتِثْقَالاً فِي حَقّ قِيلَ لِي، وَلاَ الِْتمَاسَ إِعْظَام لِنَفْسِي،
فَإِنَّهُ مَنِ اسْتَثْقَلَ الْحَقَّ أَنْ يُقَالَ لَهُ أَوْ الْعَدْلَ أَنْ يُعْرَضَ عَلَيْهِ، كَانَ الْعَمَلُ بِهِمَا أَثْقَلَ عَلَيْهِ. فَلاَ تَكُفُّوا عَنْ مَقَال بِحَقّ، أَوْ مَشُورَة بِعَدْل، فَإِنِّي لَسْتُ فِي نَفْسِي بِفَوْقِ أَنْ أُخْطِىءَ، وَلاَ آمَنُ ذلِكَ مِنْ فِعْلِي، إِلاَّ أَنْ يَكْفِيَ اللهُ مِنْ نَفْسِي مَا هُوَ أَمْلَكُ بِهِ مِنِّي(3)، فَإنَّمَا أَنَا وَأَنْتُمْ عَبِيدٌ مَمْلُوكُونَ لِرَبٍّ لاَ رَبَّ غَيْرُهُ، يَمْلِكُ مِنَّا مَا لاَ نَمْلِكُ مِنْ أَنْفُسِنَا، وَأَخْرَجَنَا مِمَّا كُنَّا فِيهِ إِلَى مَا صَلَحْنَا عَلَيْهِ، فَأَبْدَلَنَا بَعْدَ الضَّلاَلَةِ بِالْهُدَى، وَأَعْطَانَا الْبصِيرَةَ بَعْدَ الْعَمَى.
نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس الحسّون
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
خطبة له (عليه السلام) بصفين
(ص 526 - ص 552)
Ali (ra) told his men: "Therefore, do not abstain from saying a truth or pointing out a matter of justice because I do not regard myself above making mistakes. I do not escape erring in my actions but that Allah helps me in matters in which He is more powerful than I. Certainly, I and you are slaves owned by Allah, other than Whom there is no Lord except Him. He owns our selves which we do not own. He took us from where we were towards what means prosperity to us. He altered our straying into guidance and gave us intelligence after blindness."
source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sermon 215.
Ali (kw) asks Allah to forgive him for the sins which only He is aware of:
وقال(عليه السلام) وقد مدحه قوم في وجهه: اللَّهُمَّ إِنَّكَ أَعْلَمُ بِي مِنْ نَفْسِي، وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ بِنَفْسِي مِنْهُمْ، اللَّهُمَّ اجْعَلْنَا خَيْراً مِمَّا يَظُنُّونَ، وَاغْفِرْ لَنَا مَا لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ.
نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس تبريزيان
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
بَابُ المُخْتَارِ مِنْ حِكَمِ أَمِيرالمؤمنين عليه السلام
وَمَوَاعِظِهِ
الصفحة 791 - الصفحة 792
Some people praised Imam Ali to his face. He replied, "Allah knows me very well and I also know myself more than you. Please, Lord ! make me better than what they imagine me to be and please excuse those Weaknesses of mine which they are not aware of."
source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sayings of Imam Ali #100.
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Narration brought forward by brother Hani from Shia sources how it was narrated by a donkey apparently. ;D
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Usool al-Kafi volume 1 page 184.
under the chapter:
"باب ما عند الأئمة من سلاح رسول الله"
Donkey narrated from his father, from his grandfather, ect...
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Brother Hani bringing forward by Ayatullah Sistani how eating sand is good for you. ???
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الجواب: نعم يجوز أكل التربة الحسينية للتداوي بمقدار لا يزيد على الحمصة المتوسطة الحجم والأحوط وجوباً الاقتصار على تربة القبر الشريف وما يقرب منه على وجه يلحق به عرفاً.
Fatwa by Ayatullah Sistani, Translation:
Question: Is it permissible to cure one's self with the sand of Hussein by consuming as much as a grain of Hummus or more?
Answer: Yes that is permissible, and you eat as much as a average sized grain of hummus and it is better to restrict this to the sand of the grave and the area around it.
Source: http://www.sistani.org/local.php?mod...nid=5&cid=1503
Screen Print: http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/q...al/Sextani.jpg
I'd rather have Hummus... And What the Hell is an AVERAGE SIZED HUMMUS? Do they come in sizes of Large, small, Medium? Can I get a Super Sized one? as big as an Apple for example?
Also also...
السؤال: هل التماثيل والصور حرام ؟
الجواب: لا يجوز علی الاحوط تصوير ذوات الارواح من الانسان والحيوان وغيرهما تصويراً مجسماً كالتماثيل ولكن لا باس باقتنائها وبيعها وشرائها وان كان يكره ذلك .
Question(6): Are the Statues and Images Haram?
Answer: It is Forbidden To Make three dimensional representations of animate Humans/Animals like statues but it's allowed to keep, sell and buy them although it is Makruh.
Source: http://www.sistani.org/local.php?mod...v&nid=5&cid=88
HOWEVER question (2):
السؤال: هل يحرم برأيكم صنع التمثال لذي الروح من انسان او غيره ؟
الجواب: سماحة السيد (دام ظله) لا يفتي في ذلك بالحرمة وانما يحتاط احتياطا لزوميا فمقلده يمكنه الرجوع في هذه المسألة الى فقيه آخر مع مراعاة الاعلم فالاعلم.
Question(2): Is it Haram to Make statues of Humans animals?
Answer: The Respected Sayyed Sistani does not consider it HARAM however he says it is much Safer (to abandon it) and you can refer to another Faqih...
Source:http://www.sistani.org/local.php?mod...v&nid=5&cid=88
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Brother Hani bringing forward a Fatwa from grand Ayatullah Ali Khaminei'i which, parts of the Qur'an are forbidden to recite during salah.
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Official Site: http://www.leader.ir/
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Text of Fatwa:
س: ما هي السور التي لا يجوز قرائتها في أثناء الصلاة؟ وإذا حدث وقد قام أحد بقرائتها فما حكم هذه الصلوات؟
ج) لا تجوز قراءة ما يفوت الوقت بقراءته من السور الطوال. فلو قرأها سهواً وتذكر أثناء الصلاة عدل إلى غيرها مع سعة الوقت. ولا يجوز قراءة سور العزائم الاربع. فلو قرأها ساهياً فإن تذكّر قبل بلوغ آية السجدة وجب عليه العدول إلى سورة اخرى. وسورة «الفيل» و «الايلاف» سورة واحدة وكذلك سورة «الضحى» و«الم نشرح» فلا تجزي واحدة منها بل لا بدّ من الجمع بينهما مرتباً مع البسملة الواقعة في البين
Question: What are the Suras(chapters) which we're not allowed to read while in prayer? and If I happen to read them then what happens to my Salat?
Answer: It is forbidden to read long Suras which consume a lot of time. If he reads it unintentionally and then remembers during prayer then he should switch to another if time permits. And it is forbidden to read the Chapters of "Al A'aza'im al arba'a" and if he recites them by mistake then remembers This before he reaches the verse with the obligatory Soujoud then he should change to another Sura straight away. And the chapter of "Al-feel" & "Li Eelaf" are One Chapter ALSO the chapters "Al Duha" & "Alam Nashrah" are One Chapter so read them together with "Bismillah" in between them otherwise it's not accepted.
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NOTES: The Chapters of the "Al A'aza'im al arba'a" are:
-Surat al Sajdah #32
-Surat Fussilat #41
-Surat al Najm #53
-Surat al Alaq #96
Sunni source: http://www.islam4u.com/almojib_show.php?rid=515
Commentary: First of all this is shocking but it's to be expected since they don't memorize long chapters and barely open the Quran, they abandoned this book and the best you can hope for if you get the chance to stand behind one of them is that he reads Surat "al ikhlas". As for the names of chapters he got some of them wrong it seems, Firstly it's not "Li Eelaf" it's called Surat "Quraysh", secondly "Alam Nashrah" is called Surat "Al Sharh". My Advice for the Twelver Shiites is, Quit making tahreef and messing with the book of Allah, It's not a game.
Screen Images:
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Source: http://www.leader.ir/tree/index.php?catid=52
In Order to find this Fatwa Click on The Following Arabic words to the side from Right to left:
أحكام الصلاة --> واجبات الصلاة --> القراءة --> السور اللممنوع قراءتها في الصلاة
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Brother Hani sharing yet another strange fatwa by Ayatullah al Khoei'i. :-[
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الفتوى: الفتوى هي أنه لا عدة من الزنا ، فإذا زنت وهي مزوجة جاز لزوجها الدخول بها ، وإن لم تكن مزوجة جاز التزويج بها ، ولا عدة عليها من زناها ، نعم إذا أراد الزاني أن يتزوج بها ، فالأحوط لزوما كونه بعد الاستبراء بحيضة ، ولم يفت أحد بأن المرأة إذا زنت جاز التزويج بها لكل أحد في كل يوم مع الدخول ، من دون عدة ، والتزويج مع الدخول يقتضي الاعتداد إذا حصل الافتراق ، وكيف يتزوج بها في عدة تزويج الغير؟ ومن تزوج بامرأة معتدة ، ودخل بها حرمت عليه أبدا ، وإن كان جاهلا بالحكم ، والله العالم
Source: http://www.alseraj.net/ar/fikh/1/?Kf...4534701&1&30&1
Question(1): According to the Fatwa there is no Iddat for Prostitute/Zaniyah, So if we bring a Zaniyah for example and there were several people.. Is it permissible for them to take shifts on her with a contract, in a way that the first makes a contract then the second then third and all enter inside her? and the question.. what is the difference between Mutah and Zinah in this case?
Answer: "The fatwa is that there is no iddat from prostitution/Zinah, if she Did Zinah while married then it's allowed for her husband to enter inside her, and if she isn't married then it's allowed to marry her and she has no Iddah from her Zinah, BUT If the Man who did Zinah with her wants to marry her Then he has to do istibra'a with One Haydah, As for several Men marrying her and entering inside her in one day this is not mentioned by any of our scholars since She would be in Her iddat period after the first Man so how can the second Man enter inside her during he Iddah?..."
Screen image: http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/q...khoeizinah.jpg
I don't know I'd like to hear some comments because according to islam if she makes Zinah while not married then she is given a 100 lashes and if she wants to get married again then they must check if she is pregnant then give her a 1 or 3 Haydas as Istibra'a ( I think 1 Haydah is 30 days without entering inside her) and she must REPENT TO ALLAH, Then if she does so while married then she is Stoned to death if I recall...ALSO HE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION "WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ZINAH AND MUTAH" try to guess why...
So...
1- If the prostitute isn't married then anyone can marry her as she has no Iddah period.
2- If the prostitute isn't married and the guy who did Zinah with her wants to marry her then he has to do istibra'a with one Haydah.
ISN'T THIS MORON REVERSING THE RULING!? It Should be the other way around!!! Just what are these Shiite scholars teaching their youth???
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if i started posting ahlsunnah beliefs here you guys will start screaming :p :D
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I'm personally not for this copy/paste of old material job, there's a lot to be revised in the language, context, translation etc...
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if i started posting ahlsunnah beliefs here you guys will start screaming :p :D
Or end up refuting it.
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mr imam ali dont worry please fst tell me are the fatwas of your scholars hujja upon you?
if yes so i start showing the kufar of your forefathers?
2nd donkey narrated in shia book so?where is the chain?the part of hadis is mursal and zaieef
3rd what if i show donkey narrating in your book will you send curse on your face for that?
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mr imam ali dont worry please fst tell me are the fatwas of your scholars hujja upon you?
if yes so i start showing the kufar of your forefathers?
2nd donkey narrated in shia book so?where is the chain?the part of hadis is mursal and zaieef
3rd what if i show donkey narrating in your book will you send curse on your face for that?
Post the narration.
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mr imam ali dont worry please fst tell me are the fatwas of your scholars hujja upon you?
if yes so i start showing the kufar of your forefathers?
2nd donkey narrated in shia book so?where is the chain?the part of hadis is mursal and zaieef
3rd what if i show donkey narrating in your book will you send curse on your face for that?
Depends if the Fatwa is correct or not.
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mr hani so how would you judge is fatwa correct or not?
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mr imam ali answer the other points too and tell me do u believe animals cannot speak and
is it the kufar or the corrupt belief if the narration mentions about speaking of an animal?
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mr hani so how would you judge is fatwa correct or not?
Haven't you heard of "Fatwa Shaadhah"? Not all Fatwas are correct, it is said that every big scholar has one or two controversial Fatwas.
If his Fatwa agrees with the Qur'an and the Sunnah or at least is the popular view among Muslim jurists then it holds weight.
mr imam ali answer the other points too and tell me do u believe animals cannot speak
Animals don't speak to humans, those who spoke to humans only did so as a miracles from Allah.
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o really so what do u think the narration of alkafi you quoted is the miracle? or a corrupt belief?or kufar?(even the narration at the end is zaieef)
btw plz answer
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o really so what do u think the narration of alkafi you quoted is the miracle? or a corrupt belief?or kufar?(even the narration at the end is zaieef)
btw plz answer
I think it's a fabricated silly story by the fools who claim to follow Ahlul-Bayt.
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brother hani i just asked a simple question and you are loosing your temper because you are a confused coward person who cannot answer please explain
what i asked?
u quoted the narration coz donkey is speaking in it and you said donkey cannot speak to humans its a silly narration etc etc its a fabrication?fst the narration is weak, but aside that the question is simple
why are you are so scared to reply me you said animals speaking in the narration is the fabrication etc pointing towards the narration of alkafi
please come with proove instead of bogus replies
just answer simple question do you accept animals speaking with humans in the narrations is corrupt belief or kufar?
is it kufar or corrupt belief if an animal talks to human in the narration?
answer yes or no? plz this time answer like a man instead of behaving like a shy little girl
thanks.
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brother i just asked a simple question and you are loosing your temper because you are a confused coward person who cannot answer please explain
what i asked?
u quoted the narration coz donkey is speaking in it and you said donkey cannot speak to humans its a silly narration etc etc its a fabrication?fst the narration is weak, but aside that the question is simple
why are you are so scared to reply me you said animals speaking in the narration is the fabrication etc pointing towards the narration of alkafi
please come with proove instead of bogus replies
just answer simple question do you accept animals speaking with humans in the narrations is corrupt belief or kufar?
is it kufar or corrupt belief if an animal talks to human in the narration?
answer yes or no? plz this time answer like a man instead of behaving like a shy little girl
thanks.
Did I claim anywhere you are Kouffar?
The brother who posted this isn't making fun of "talking animals", he's making fun of this baseless report in which an animal narrates a Hadith "My father told me, that his father told him etc..."
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did i said you claimed us to b kufar?
but you called us fool for that narration
so
i just asked simple question
if the animal speaks to a human in the narration what it is according to you
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fabrication or corrupt belief if its not kufar? coz its mentioned under heading of the forum various scandalous and corrupt beliefs of twelver shias
so do u think it is a corrupt belief or fabrication if animal speaks to a human?
so if u believe animals can speak then what to make fun in it sir? you accepted the main point that animals can speak
so its nothing to make fun in it if you believe animals can speak, otherwise that would be the fun of your ownself
or you still believe like amature ignorant person=> that animals cannot speak to each others? and its a corrupt and funny belief? yes or no?
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or you still believe like amature ignorant person=> that animals cannot speak to each others? and its a corrupt and funny belief? yes or no?
I say: You're fools for believing in such obvious fabrications attributed to Ahlul-Bayt and if I were to list you more of these ridiculous narrations you yourself would spit at them.
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brother if the hadith is zaieef and than on what basis this narration is redicilious?
there is nothing in narration to make us spat on it
donot worry i can spread the list too of sahih narrations will be quadrible then your bogus copy pastes, which will make you spat on faces of hazrat abu bakr umar usman hz aisha mawia hz abu hurera the glorious father of cats and many other companions+ bukhari muslim etc as per you said
so plz explain on what basis you call animals speaking with each other is rediculous?corrupt and funny belief?
so finally is this your last decision that if animals speak with each other then its a corrupt belief and a redicilous belief which is to be spatted
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plz dont be shy like little grls answer in yes or no?
thanks
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Notice that we're allowing you to use filthy language (like your Madhab) and other forums such as ShiaChat would have banned anybody using this long ago.
This is not a story about an animal that happens to talk, this is your book containing a tradition narrated from animals, each narrating from his father, and it can't possibly reach Nuh's (as) donkey as that would take a chain of 1,000 donkeys (such as yourself).
So there's a difference between narrating a story about a donkey that miraculously spoke, and actually narrating from a chain of narrator donkeys (again such yourself) because reliable dignified scholars may narrate from weak narrators but they would not include a narration in their main books in which they actually use a chain of donkeys to transmit Hadith unless they believed that donkey narrations (as in all Shia books) are reliably transmitted.
Note: This topic will be closed due to the fact that the Rafidi has used much profanity, so to avoid further filth from himself, we will close it.