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scusemyenglish

What the Shiasm has brought you?
« on: August 19, 2016, 07:00:58 PM »
All is in the title.

Say what the shiasme has brought you, spriritualy , culturally,way of thinking, politically  etc...

It's an important thread because for me it's the moment to make an assessement .

I have discovered shiasme 1 year ago an many things has changed in my way of thinking.

Every one can talk in this tread.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 07:07:56 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2016, 09:04:16 PM »
The first thing is the pacifism.

To see the hate and bloodshed in this shia sunni split was very hard especilly because before I was an Iran supporter because of Palestinians.

But I have understood  that Iran and shia just want to manipulated Palestinian conflict for political and religious puposes.

That was the worst political disapoitnment of my life!

Because all my life I thought Iran was truthful.

This disapointment and bloodshed has made me very very peaceful ( I was always peaceful but now more)bacause I know there is lot of manipulations...

Seing that I understood formers artists (Otto Dix, Munch, Picasso, Kojima...) who wanted pacifism through their work ...
And why they expressed their trauma of war like (Garnica, first world war, Hiroshima etc...)

« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 09:07:54 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Rationalist

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2016, 07:22:29 PM »

To see the hate and bloodshed in this shia sunni split was very hard especilly because before I was an Iran supporter because of Palestinians.
The 12ers are always trying to monopolize the emotions to strengthen the dawah.





But I have understood  that Iran and shia just want to manipulated Palestinian conflict for political and religious puposes.

That was the worst political disapoitnment of my life!

Because all my life I thought Iran was truthful.

This disapointment and bloodshed has made me very very peaceful ( I was always peaceful but now more)bacause I know there is lot of manipulations...

Seing that I understood formers artists (Otto Dix, Munch, Picasso, Kojima...) who wanted pacifism through their work ...
And why they expressed their trauma of war like (Garnica, first world war, Hiroshima etc...)


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scusemyenglish

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2016, 08:55:57 PM »

To see the hate and bloodshed in this shia sunni split was very hard especilly because before I was an Iran supporter because of Palestinians.
The 12ers are always trying to monopolize the emotions to strengthen the dawah.





But I have understood  that Iran and shia just want to manipulated Palestinian conflict for political and religious puposes.

That was the worst political disapoitnment of my life!

Because all my life I thought Iran was truthful.

This disapointment and bloodshed has made me very very peaceful ( I was always peaceful but now more)bacause I know there is lot of manipulations...

Seing that I understood formers artists (Otto Dix, Munch, Picasso, Kojima...) who wanted pacifism through their work ...
And why they expressed their trauma of war like (Garnica, first world war, Hiroshima etc...)


[/quote]

Sahit.

Do you think if Palestinians have understood this manipulation or not yet?
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2016, 09:06:01 PM »
Psyritually the second thing that shiasme has brought me is the fact that I have discovered Ibn Taymiya and "his" worderful methodology...

I have seen one debate in frenche on Fadak tv between one shia and one french sunni.

Then I have noticed the shias screamed every time against Ibn Taymiya.

Then I have do resherch about Ibn Taymoya and I have discovered Yaya Michot (specialist of Ibn Taymiya) one Belgium man convert to Islam. in 1970.

He says " Ibn Taymiya had alsways THE HADITH,  THE EVIDENCE that his oponents have forgotten! He gathered all proof then he gave his advice his fatawa"

Personnaly I was impresseved by this methodology.

Because if our scholars gahter all proofs? How they can do mistakes?

Spiritually it was very useful because I have seen the faith " Rise and fall".

And like you see other group it's enough to say " I believe in the main creed and I go to paradise"

But for Ahl sounna to believe in the creed it's not enough for go to paradise.

Then I have read many books about the fact that the faith "rise and fall" and that has completely change my spiritual life .  Because now I know How I can be very quiet in my salat.

For that I want to say thank you to Shiasme.

Because without them I would not discovered the real Islam!

« Last Edit: August 20, 2016, 09:07:57 PM by scusemyenglish »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Rationalist

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2016, 07:46:52 AM »

Sahit.

Do you think if Palestinians have understood this manipulation or not yet?
Yes, but they have a takfiri view against the 12ers which is very wrong. There is a lack of education on the Sunnis side on the 12ers. If our dawah center wants to explain why 12ers are wrong, we have limited information and most place present a takfiri view. u

For the 12ers its different. The first thing they teach them to do taqiyyah on takfiri views.  Again lying is a sin too, but I have to admit 12ers very dangerous because of this pillar of taqiyyah.

scusemyenglish

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2016, 12:09:17 PM »

Sahit.

Do you think if Palestinians have understood this manipulation or not yet?
Yes, but they have a takfiri view against the 12ers which is very wrong. There is a lack of education on the Sunnis side on the 12ers. If our dawah center wants to explain why 12ers are wrong, we have limited information and most place present a takfiri view. u

For the 12ers its different. The first thing they teach them to do taqiyyah on takfiri views.  Again lying is a sin too, but I have to admit 12ers very dangerous because of this pillar of taqiyyah.

You imply Palestinians are not aware because of shia's taquiya?
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Rationalist

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2016, 11:28:16 PM »

Sahit.

Do you think if Palestinians have understood this manipulation or not yet?
Yes, but they have a takfiri view against the 12ers which is very wrong. There is a lack of education on the Sunnis side on the 12ers. If our dawah center wants to explain why 12ers are wrong, we have limited information and most place present a takfiri view. u

For the 12ers its different. The first thing they teach them to do taqiyyah on takfiri views.  Again lying is a sin too, but I have to admit 12ers very dangerous because of this pillar of taqiyyah.

You imply Palestinians are not aware because of shia's taquiya?

Some of might forget when Iran helps them being unaware that they are only doing it for dawah purposes.

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Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2016, 01:11:41 PM »
Fitna
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Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 06:51:52 PM »
All is in the title.

Say what the shiasme has brought you, spriritualy , culturally,way of thinking, politically  etc...

It's an important thread because for me it's the moment to make an assessement .

I have discovered shiasme 1 year ago an many things has changed in my way of thinking.

Every one can talk in this tread.

It brought me the true religion of Islam and it's practice and not the additions/neglect of so called "rightful leaders a.k.a khalifates".
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

al-kulayni

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2016, 04:23:23 PM »
Waste of time.

scusemyenglish

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2016, 04:46:18 PM »
Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

muslim720

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2016, 05:07:14 PM »
Shiaism has strengthened my resolve and convinced me that Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah is the true, mainstream Islam.
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2016, 08:38:29 PM »
Shiaism has strengthened my resolve and convinced me that Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah is the true, mainstream Islam.
mainstream Islam that is the problem, you blindly follow like sheep the masses, not the Islam of the Prophet S.A.A.W.W

[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

al-Habib

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2016, 01:18:59 AM »
After finding about Shiism, I had a zeal for learning about islamic sciences such as seerah, hadith etc.  Once you know even a little you will find that Shiites only have flimsy legs to stand on.

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2016, 01:40:20 AM »
After finding about Shiism, I had a zeal for learning about islamic sciences such as seerah, hadith etc.  Once you know even a little you will find that Shiites only have flimsy legs to stand on.
Oh yeah?  what Seerah? insulting the prophet and saying he is a liar, possessed and drink alcohol in bukhari and muslim?
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

al-Habib

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2016, 01:46:59 AM »
Off-topic.  If you want make a thread about it so you can be destroyed in them.

muslim720

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2016, 03:47:10 AM »
mainstream Islam that is the problem, you blindly follow like sheep the masses, not the Islam of the Prophet S.A.A.W.W

Funny that you should accuse us of "blindly" following "like sheep" when you are required to pick a marja' taqleed to adhere to.  In case you did not know or forgot, "taqleed" literally means "to follow".
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2016, 04:42:33 AM »
Off-topic.  If you want make a thread about it so you can be destroyed in them.
Awww poor baby crying that I have him in the corner  :'( Answer me about this hadith do you believe it is true? because it is sahih.??? do you believe that the porphet s.a.a.w.w. was bewitched? Aisha does.
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Sahih al-Bukhari 3268 Narrated `Aisha:the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing

عَائِشَةَ قَالَتْ سُحِرَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم حَتَّى كَانَ يُخَيَّلُ إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ يَفْعَلُ الشَّىْءَ وَمَا يَفْعَلُهُ، (صحيح البخاري - كتاب بدء الخلق- صفة إبليس وجنوده
3095)
-----------------------------------



Funny that you should accuse us of "blindly" following "like sheep" when you are required to pick a marja' taqleed to adhere to.  In case you did not know or forgot, "taqleed" literally means "to follow".
We shia don't have this though.
Sunan Abi Dawud 2533 and prayer is obligatory on you behind every muslim who is Clear of sins or
licentious even if he sinned greatly. وَالصَّلاَةُ وَاجِبَةٌ عَلَيْكُمْ خَلْفَ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ بَرًّا كَانَ أَوْ فَاجِرًا وَإِنْ عَمِلَ الْكَبَائِرَ
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 04:55:06 AM by اولي الالباب »
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

muslim720

Re: What the Shiasm has brought you?
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2016, 11:48:48 AM »
We shia don't have this though.

Don't have what?  The narration from Sunan Abu Dawud (which you have blindly copy-pasted therefore further proof to you being a blind follower as I will prove in a second) or marja' taqleed?  If you meant the former, I will refute you in a bit.  If you meant the latter, which other Islamic sect has marja' taqleed (except Shias)? 

Quote
Sunan Abi Dawud 2533 and prayer is obligatory on you behind every muslim who is Clear of sins or
licentious even if he sinned greatly. وَالصَّلاَةُ وَاجِبَةٌ عَلَيْكُمْ خَلْفَ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ بَرًّا كَانَ أَوْ فَاجِرًا وَإِنْ عَمِلَ الْكَبَائِرَ


Treachery of the highest order on your part to insert "licentious" in the hadith and to take it out of context.  Here is the narration.

It was reported from Makhul from Abu Hurairah, that he said: “The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: ‘Jihad is obligatory on you with every commander, righteous or wicked, and the prayer is binding behind every Muslim, righteous or wicked, even if he commits major sins.  And (funeral) prayer is obligatory for every Muslim, whether, righteous or wicked even if he commits major sins.” (Da’if)

This narration is classified as da'eef or weak.

http://islamicresearcher.blogspot.com/2012/03/sunan-abu-dawud-book-15-book-of-jihad.html?_sm_au_=iVVkrSWkv05vbKLM
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

 

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