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Title: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Bolani Muslim on December 04, 2014, 03:48:24 AM
Salaams to everyone reading this,

My story won't be as 'interesting' as brother Husayn's conversion, but I'd still like to make it public for anyone else contemplating joining the true followers of the sunnah.

History wise, the only Islamic education I had while growing up was my Shia family, and our local Sunday-School which I still go to today. So by no means am I an expert or a scholar (just a layman looking for Haqq).

My first major issues with Shiaism came when I started reading up on Ayatollah Fadlullah (خدا بیامرز), Nader Zaveri's website, as well as how Iran became Shia through forced conversion, not through Omar's (ra) cruelty like we were taught in 'masjid'.

From then on I read pro-sunni and pro-shia posts (like Tijani's book) and after months of researching I said my shahada again and declared myself a sunni (Hanafi). Hopefully, I'll be able to tell my family when I'm older.


I'd also like to say thanks to all the people exposing the Shia creed, I hate how ignorant Sunnis leave their faith after reading refuted shia garbage online.

Thanks for reading, Khudai Paman
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Farid on December 04, 2014, 11:05:57 AM
Wa alaykum alsalam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

Welcome to the dark-side brother. >=)

I think I too first started reading up on polemics when I was around your age. It was a very confusing time for me as well. We are always around if you need any help and the more experienced brother will be more than happy to point you into the right direction inshallah.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Hadrami on December 04, 2014, 12:58:07 PM
wa alaikum salam bro, be ready to be called a zionist, wahabi, nasibi etc. Are you afghan? Tajik by any chance?
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Optimus Prime on December 04, 2014, 02:31:42 PM
Salaams to everyone reading this,

My story won't be as 'interesting' as brother Husayn's conversion, but I'd still like to make it public for anyone else contemplating joining the true followers of the sunnah.

History wise, the only Islamic education I had while growing up was my Shia family, and our local Sunday-School which I still go to today. So by no means am I an expert or a scholar (just a layman looking for Haqq).

My first major issues with Shiaism came when I started reading up on Ayatollah Fadlullah (خدا بیامرز), Nader Zaveri's website, as well as how Iran became Shia through forced conversion, not through Omar's (ra) cruelty like we were taught in 'masjid'.

From then on I read pro-sunni and pro-shia posts (like Tijani's book) and after months of researching I said my shahada again and declared myself a sunni (Hanafi). Hopefully, I'll be able to tell my family when I'm older.


I'd also like to say thanks to all the people exposing the Shia creed, I hate how ignorant Sunnis leave their faith after reading refuted shia garbage online.

Thanks for reading, Khudai Paman

Congratulations for seeing the light, brother. All praises are due to Allah (SWT).

Do you mind me asking, but do you mean you accepted the Sunni version at the age of 15 or are 15?
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: MuslimK on December 04, 2014, 05:52:53 PM
و علیکم سلام و ر و ب

الحمد لله
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Bolani Muslim on December 04, 2014, 11:23:45 PM
wa alaikum salam bro, be ready to be called a zionist, wahabi, nasibi etc. Are you afghan? Tajik by any chance?

Yep, both my parents are from Kabul making me a proud Tajik


Congratulations for seeing the light, brother. All praises are due to Allah (SWT).

Do you mind me asking, but do you mean you accepted the Sunni version at the age of 15 or are 15?
I'm 15 currently, turning 16 in a few weeks 
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Taha on December 07, 2014, 03:29:59 AM
و عليكم السلام

Thank you for posting your experiences, brother.  I am a Shi`a but I have been having my doubts.  I will try to post more frequently in the near future and إن شاء الله we will have some good discussions.

خدا حافظ
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Husayn on December 07, 2014, 04:33:35 AM
Wa alaikum assalam akh Bolani Muslim,

You must be much less stubborn and way more intelligent than I am - 15/16 years old was about the time I started questioning some Rafidi beliefs, but no matter how bad the explanation I always accepted it with a smile and moved on...  8)
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 06, 2015, 10:36:32 PM
Salaams to everyone reading this,

My story won't be as 'interesting' as brother Husayn's conversion, but I'd still like to make it public for anyone else contemplating joining the true followers of the sunnah.

History wise, the only Islamic education I had while growing up was my Shia family, and our local Sunday-School which I still go to today. So by no means am I an expert or a scholar (just a layman looking for Haqq).

My first major issues with Shiaism came when I started reading up on Ayatollah Fadlullah (خدا بیامرز), Nader Zaveri's website, as well as how Iran became Shia through forced conversion, not through Omar's (ra) cruelty like we were taught in 'masjid'.

From then on I read pro-sunni and pro-shia posts (like Tijani's book) and after months of researching I said my shahada again and declared myself a sunni (Hanafi). Hopefully, I'll be able to tell my family when I'm older.


I'd also like to say thanks to all the people exposing the Shia creed, I hate how ignorant Sunnis leave their faith after reading refuted shia garbage online.

Thanks for reading, Khudai Paman

How did Iran become Shia through forced conversion??? Tell me more on this. It's got nothing to do with hate and love. You left Shiaism and no one should hate you for that and neither should you hate anyone. After months of researching you said your Shahadah again??? What was the difference in the Shahadah you said and believed in before compared to the one you said and believe in now??? Many thanks.

And thanks to all the people exposing the Shia creed??? LOL! You don't need to expose the Shia creed. They're open and clear about who they are. You should be worried about those who can't declare and introduce who they are and who are too hesitant to tell and speak about themselves.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Hani on January 06, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
Read this Wiki to get a good overall idea:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 06, 2015, 10:40:27 PM
Well brothers if you're 15/16 then you don't know much about life anyway. Your hormones are running all over the place at this age. And you still have to learn a lot about life. Questions and this age do create confusion and doubt. So I don't really blame you from hopping and skipping from one place to the other.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Hani on January 06, 2015, 10:44:03 PM
Well brothers if you're 15/16 then you don't know much about life anyway. Your hormones are running all over the place at this age. And you still have to learn a lot about life. Questions and this age do create confusion and doubt. So I don't really blame you from hopping and skipping from one place to the other.


You're belittling him with this comment. I knew people who where 15/16 and knew more than I could ever hope to know about details of Fiqh and `Aqeedah.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Optimus Prime on January 06, 2015, 10:55:39 PM
Ameen, please enlighten us all. How old are you?
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 07, 2015, 12:00:59 AM
My dear brother Hani, I am not belittling anybody. 15/16 years of age is nothing. One still needs to learn a lot about life at this age.

As far as belittling is concerned, there are brothers on this forum who speak down on others, call other names, humiliate and insult others (Shias) and their belief (Shiaism), be sarcstic towards other and call others all sorts.

I don't see you saying a word or speaking out about this. Ebn Hussein is one of them. Have you seen his language and how he speaks about others and behaves towards them. There are others on this forum as well.

Where are your principals??? Where are your rules and regulations??? Come on, this is a one sided show. Nobody is interested here on a serious discussion or debate. Take a look at their behaviour and attitude and in response they claim they are looking for knowledgeable shias.

Please, give me a break!
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Hani on January 07, 2015, 12:08:24 AM
My dear brother Hani, I am not belittling anybody. 15/16 years of age is nothing. One still needs to learn a lot about life at this age.

As far as belittling is concerned, there are brothers on this forum who speak down on others, call other names, humiliate and insult others (Shias) and their belief (Shiaism), be sarcstic towards other and call others all sorts.

I don't see you saying a word or speaking out about this. Ebn Hussein is one of them. Have you seen his language and how he speaks about others and behaves towards them. There are others on this forum as well.

Where are your principals??? Where are your rules and regulations??? Come on, this is a one sided show. Nobody is interested here on a serious discussion or debate. Take a look at their behaviour and attitude and in response they claim they are looking for knowledgeable shias.

Please, give me a break!

If he was fifteen and became a Shia you would say "Wow you're wise beyond your age", common brother, we all know how this works.

Report any post you find containing any bad language. I've edited Ebn Hussein's newer posts, but I can't possibly read everything, you gotta help me out.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 07, 2015, 12:10:28 AM
Ameen, please enlighten us all. How old are you?

What ever my age is, I don't humiliate and or insult others, I'm not sarcastic towards others, I do not call others by strange names, I do not take the mickey out of others, I do not pick on others, I do not bully others, I do not attack others or anyones faith or belief, I do not target others or their Aqeedah etc.

How brothers speak about and behave towards Shiaism and the Shias is absolutely clear. You, me and the rest, none of us is blind. And they are looking for knowledgeable Shias??? They go on other forums and challenge or invite them for discussion. LOL! Take a good look at their behaviour and attitude. 
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Hani on January 07, 2015, 12:15:33 AM
^ And that's why we like to have you here, as I said if anyone calls you names just report.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 07, 2015, 12:24:23 AM
My dear brother Hani, I am not belittling anybody. 15/16 years of age is nothing. One still needs to learn a lot about life at this age.

As far as belittling is concerned, there are brothers on this forum who speak down on others, call other names, humiliate and insult others (Shias) and their belief (Shiaism), be sarcstic towards other and call others all sorts.

I don't see you saying a word or speaking out about this. Ebn Hussein is one of them. Have you seen his language and how he speaks about others and behaves towards them. There are others on this forum as well.

Where are your principals??? Where are your rules and regulations??? Come on, this is a one sided show. Nobody is interested here on a serious discussion or debate. Take a look at their behaviour and attitude and in response they claim they are looking for knowledgeable shias.

Please, give me a break!

If he was fifteen and became a Shia you would say "Wow you're wise beyond your age", common brother, we all know how this works.

Report any post you find containing any bad language. I've edited Ebn Hussein's newer posts, but I can't possibly read everything, you gotta help me out.

My dear brother, firstly you don't know others and secondly you don't give anyone a chance. It's like you have already made up your mind about others and you have already labelled them.

Brother it doesn't matter whether you are a Shia or Sunni, the age of 15/16 is a very young age. If someone is a Sunni and has turned towards Shiaism at this age, I wil say exactly the same.

Brother we are Muslims but vast majority are by birth, not by education and research. And the same goes for sects, be it Shia, Sunni or anything else. Your are what you are and where you are born in. This is what is common but switching here to their and not putting a genuine reason forward but just slagging the other or previous off, tells a lot about you.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Hani on January 07, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
Well anyway, if there's anything we can help you with, let us know.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Taha on January 07, 2015, 04:45:56 AM

Brother it doesn't matter whether you are a Shia or Sunni, the age of 15/16 is a very young age. If someone is a Sunni and has turned towards Shiaism at this age, I wil say exactly the same.
I became a Shia at age 17.  Was that too young or nah?
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: sameer on January 07, 2015, 11:49:15 AM
I became a Shia at age 17.  Was that too young or nah?

what i personally thing , does not matter at what age you join any religion, the followers will definitely give you a warm welcome. they will never ever discourage you the decision you have made.. the response from opposite will definitely be a negative and you will face criticism on your decision till the end of your life.. this is a human nature..
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 07, 2015, 12:41:53 PM

Brother it doesn't matter whether you are a Shia or Sunni, the age of 15/16 is a very young age. If someone is a Sunni and has turned towards Shiaism at this age, I wil say exactly the same.
I became a Shia at age 17.  Was that too young or nah?

I just don't know what more to say. It looks like basic common sense has just gone out of the window for some. And certain people just don't have any regards for reality and facts.

Let me repeat again, you are born a Muslim but you need to learn a lot about Islam itself as you grow older.

When you're born a Muslim there is a particular sect you belong to and your loyalties are with that sect. You are not aware of the other.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Taha on January 07, 2015, 01:12:00 PM
I just don't know what more to say. It looks like basic common sense has just gone out of the window for some. And certain people just don't have any regards for reality and facts.

Let me repeat again, you are born a Muslim but you need to learn a lot about Islam itself as you grow older.

When you're born a Muslim there is a particular sect you belong to and your loyalties are with that sect. You are not aware of the other.
I wasn't raised as a Muslim.  I converted at a young(er than 17) age.  Became a Shia at 17.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Optimus Prime on January 07, 2015, 02:08:32 PM
Ameen, please enlighten us all. How old are you?

What ever my age is, I don't humiliate and or insult others, I'm not sarcastic towards others, I do not call others by strange names, I do not take the mickey out of others, I do not pick on others, I do not bully others, I do not attack others or anyones faith or belief, I do not target others or their Aqeedah etc.

How brothers speak about and behave towards Shiaism and the Shias is absolutely clear. You, me and the rest, none of us is blind. And they are looking for knowledgeable Shias??? They go on other forums and challenge or invite them for discussion. LOL! Take a good look at their behaviour and attitude.

We're allowed to speak about Shiaism the way we desire providing it doesn't involve vulgar language and other forms unpleasantries. I think the way brother Ebn Hussein goes about things is fine, but just needs to be mindful or moderate his use of words. Hardcore kufr and shirk of the highest degree which, the bedrock of Shiaism can and will rile genuine Mumineens will believe and embrace the true essence of tawheed.  ;D
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 07, 2015, 03:08:36 PM
I just don't know what more to say. It looks like basic common sense has just gone out of the window for some. And certain people just don't have any regards for reality and facts.

Let me repeat again, you are born a Muslim but you need to learn a lot about Islam itself as you grow older.

When you're born a Muslim there is a particular sect you belong to and your loyalties are with that sect. You are not aware of the other.
I wasn't raised as a Muslim.  I converted at a young(er than 17) age.  Became a Shia at 17.

Brother all people are born in to some religion, faith and sect. People convert, change or shift for various reasons. It could be anything from lack of awreness about who they are or were, infleunced by adoptive/foster family, or influenced by friends or others, loyalty towards their partner, wealth and funding etc.

 I can give you a lot more reasons because I know,have seen a d experienced and dealt with many people and situations. I'm not going to ask you why you converted and what made you become a Shia, unless you yourself want to share it.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 07, 2015, 03:23:27 PM
Ameen, please enlighten us all. How old are you?

What ever my age is, I don't humiliate and or insult others, I'm not sarcastic towards others, I do not call others by strange names, I do not take the mickey out of others, I do not pick on others, I do not bully others, I do not attack others or anyones faith or belief, I do not target others or their Aqeedah etc.

How brothers speak about and behave towards Shiaism and the Shias is absolutely clear. You, me and the rest, none of us is blind. And they are looking for knowledgeable Shias??? They go on other forums and challenge or invite them for discussion. LOL! Take a good look at their behaviour and attitude.

We're allowed to speak about Shiaism the way we desire providing it doesn't involve vulgar language and other forms unpleasantries. I think the way brother Ebn Hussein goes about things is fine, but just needs to be mindful or moderate his use of words. Hardcore kufr and shirk of the highest degree which, the bedrock of Shiaism can and will rile genuine Mumineens will believe and embrace the true essence of tawheed.  ;D

You can speak about Shiaism the way you desire and you most definitely do. This is exactly my point that your will, wish and desire is the action and where there is action, there is bound to be some kind and sort of reaction at some time and level.

The action is allowed but the principals, rules and regulations are only there to control and put a stop to the reactipn, no matter how little and understandable it is. This is what the cry is all about, the reaction. Forget about the action!
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 07, 2015, 03:38:06 PM
You believe that Kufr and Shirk are the bedrock of Shiaism, well that is nothing more than just a poisonous ideology of certain individuals, who use the good name of Ahe Sunnah Wal Jama'ath to promote their thinking to cause confusions and diversion.

This is your thought, opinion and point of view, which has absolutely got nothing to do with Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath. They reject this ideology along with those who believe and promote it. Even your global moderator, brother Hani, doesn't accept and believe in it.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Optimus Prime on January 07, 2015, 03:54:44 PM
You believe that Kufr and Shirk are the bedrock of Shiaism, well that is nothing more than just a poisonous ideology of certain individuals, who use the good name of Ahe Sunnah Wal Jama'ath to promote their thinking to cause confusions and diversion.

This is your thought, opinion and point of view, which has absolutely got nothing to do with Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath. They reject this ideology along with those who believe and promote it. Even your global moderator, brother Hani, doesn't accept and believe in it.

That's his opinion.

I personally believe that with my heart and soul based on what I've read and heard from the tongues of your own scholars. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath are no doubt on the haq and Shiaism is an upside down religion established by the Iblis.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Hani on January 07, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
Okay can you guys end this discussion now? Not a very useful one now is it?
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Optimus Prime on January 07, 2015, 04:07:13 PM
Okay can you guys end this discussion now? Not a very useful one now is it?

Cool.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ameen on January 08, 2015, 12:30:30 AM
You believe that Kufr and Shirk are the bedrock of Shiaism, well that is nothing more than just a poisonous ideology of certain individuals, who use the good name of Ahe Sunnah Wal Jama'ath to promote their thinking to cause confusions and diversion.

This is your thought, opinion and point of view, which has absolutely got nothing to do with Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath. They reject this ideology along with those who believe and promote it. Even your global moderator, brother Hani, doesn't accept and believe in it.

That's his opinion.

I personally believe that with my heart and soul based on what I've read and heard from the tongues of your own scholars. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath are no doubt on the haq and Shiaism is an upside down religion established by the Iblis.

You don't need to appologise because nothing that comes out of the mouth hurts me. Ther're just words at the end of the day. And you have a right to your personal belief. What the noble Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath say is absolutely a different thing. And you certainly aren't their grand mufti. Giving a statement and believing in it is one thing, backing it up with and explanation and proving it is another.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ebn Hussein on January 08, 2015, 01:22:11 AM
You believe that Kufr and Shirk are the bedrock of Shiaism, well that is nothing more than just a poisonous ideology of certain individuals, who use the good name of Ahe Sunnah Wal Jama'ath to promote their thinking to cause confusions and diversion.

This is your thought, opinion and point of view, which has absolutely got nothing to do with Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath. They reject this ideology along with those who believe and promote it. Even your global moderator, brother Hani, doesn't accept and believe in it.

That's his opinion.

I personally believe that with my heart and soul based on what I've read and heard from the tongues of your own scholars. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath are no doubt on the haq and Shiaism is an upside down religion established by the Iblis.

You don't need to appologise because nothing that comes out of the mouth hurts me. Ther're just words at the end of the day. And you have a right to your personal belief. What the noble Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath say is absolutely a different thing. And you certainly aren't their grand mufti. Giving a statement and believing in it is one thing, backing it up with and explanation and proving it is another.

"Noble"! Mate, come on, please leave this taqiyyah-ON speech. You might impress some jahil Sunni kids but not us. Anyway, since you are speaking of noble Sunnis. Indeed noble Sunnis did even make takfir on your biggest contemp. scholars (your Mushrik Ayatullat who understand and represent Twelver Shiism). Like Khomeini who received mass takfir for his kufri beliefs:

http://sunnahonline.com/ilm/aqeedah/0042.htm

Wallahi Shiism is so kufr and shirk infested, you must be a died hard mushrik yourself to actually NOT see it.

BTW: We know that whenever a Rafidi says "good" or "noble" Sunnis then he actually means FAKE Sunnis. The likes who ally themselves with the Rafidah like the evil "Sunni" Mufti of the Alawi (!) regime of Bashar. I can show you whole BOOKS by classical Sunni scholas like Shafi'is and how they declared your 12er kufri Madhab as a heretical madhab full of kufr and zandaqah.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Optimus Prime on January 08, 2015, 02:52:09 PM
You believe that Kufr and Shirk are the bedrock of Shiaism, well that is nothing more than just a poisonous ideology of certain individuals, who use the good name of Ahe Sunnah Wal Jama'ath to promote their thinking to cause confusions and diversion.

This is your thought, opinion and point of view, which has absolutely got nothing to do with Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath. They reject this ideology along with those who believe and promote it. Even your global moderator, brother Hani, doesn't accept and believe in it.

That's his opinion.

I personally believe that with my heart and soul based on what I've read and heard from the tongues of your own scholars. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath are no doubt on the haq and Shiaism is an upside down religion established by the Iblis.

You don't need to appologise because nothing that comes out of the mouth hurts me. Ther're just words at the end of the day. And you have a right to your personal belief. What the noble Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ath say is absolutely a different thing. And you certainly aren't their grand mufti. Giving a statement and believing in it is one thing, backing it up with and explanation and proving it is another.

True, I'm just a layperson, but the responsibility is on you to discover the truth if you're open minded enough to seek it otherwise from where I'm standing, I'm content we're on the Siratul Mustaqeem thus, I'm not issuing a challenge of any sort.

Get digging for the haq, lad.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: _twelver on March 29, 2015, 02:22:00 PM
سلام عليكم

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Salaams to everyone reading this,

My story won't be as 'interesting' as brother Husayn's conversion, but I'd still like to make it public for anyone else contemplating joining the true followers of the sunnah.

History wise, the only Islamic education I had while growing up was my Shia family, and our local Sunday-School which I still go to today. So by no means am I an expert or a scholar (just a layman looking for Haqq).

My first major issues with Shiaism came when I started reading up on Ayatollah Fadlullah (خدا بیامرز), Nader Zaveri's website, as well as how Iran became Shia through forced conversion, not through Omar's (ra) cruelty like we were taught in 'masjid'.

What was it that you read about fadlullah and Nader Zaveris blog that caused you to have doubts? Even if we assume Iran became Shia through forced conversion, how does this make sunnism more appealing or even cast question marks on Shi'ism for that matter? This would be a fault of the Safawis and not a fault of Shi'ism as a whole.

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From then on I read pro-sunni and pro-shia posts (like Tijani's book) and after months of researching I said my shahada again and declared myself a sunni (Hanafi). Hopefully, I'll be able to tell my family when I'm older.

If you thought tijanis book is the basis for Shia rhetoric then its no wonder you became a sunni. I hope you're prepared to place your akhirah on those few months of research
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Bolani Muslim on March 30, 2015, 10:13:50 AM
It was the mentality of thinking outside the box that appealed to me the most, and not just following what everyone else did. Some examples off the top of my head are, Wilayat takwinniyat, Azan, Tawassul, ect. My favorite part was that these people had proof that seemed very logical.

The reason I was mad when I found about the conversion of Iran through Safavids, is because ALL the shia mullahs I've known (about 5) have lied about it (read my post).

I hope Allah forgive's you for following you're parent's religion (think early Islam) :/
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: MissyB786 on April 07, 2015, 05:59:59 PM
Precisely, NONE of us can use the excuse following the religion of our forefathers on judgement day, heck when I try to talk about Islam to my christian friends I constantly tell them that.

Lolz one of my christian friends was giving me some advice the other day cos I was feeling a bit emotional and tried to do a little prayer with me holding my hand, n I was like no sorry I respect ur advice and support as a friend but I cant be involved in shirk and ur prayer wud be shirk for me :D She understood, we're like those friends that can say ur gonna go to hell if ur not Muslim/Christian but still be friends :p

MashaAllah Brother Bolani, keep going, and keep seeking the truth and knowledge. I may have been born into a sunni family, but I have many reasons why I could be non-Muslim right now let alone Sunni Muslim. I think thats why my christian friends always give me their 'dawah' assuming I could become Christian. I could be like those ex-Muslims that rant about how horrible Islam is, but I have a brain, I didnt go by what my family taught me, I went by my own research and stuck to Islam, sunni Islam, despite my terrible cultural/family experiences.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Bolani Muslim on October 20, 2015, 02:59:15 AM
Salaam guys, this is the story of the first Sunni get-together and jamaat I've had since leaving Tashayuu. Although I've done fake jamaats with Sunnis and went to the local (Sunni) masjid a few times, it was all while I was a Shia (lol). I was invited to go to an all day weekend youth event event by one of my friends (Sunni). I asked my mom if I should go, she was hesitant and doesn't want me hanging out with these 'other' people (ever since I started questioning certain beliefs). After playing the 'I need friends' game, She finally accepted :D

We did all our Salaahs their (minus Fajr) and Alhamdulillah I even prayed hands closed (big deal for me)!:D
It was nice as the Sheikh kept the center of his speeches on Allah (swt) and Prophet Muhammad (saw) while mentioning and discussing some virtues of Hz Ali (ra) and Hz Abu Bakr (ra) (Such a Nasibi!!!).

Something else I realized was that the Sunni sheikh didn't start directly/indirectly bashing the 'other' groups. I go to a Shia 'ImamBara' regularly and I don't remember once were the Mullah didn't bring something up (especially now with Muharram). One of the many things I disliked about Shias, is that they know more about 'rebuttals' then their own religion! I even caught one of the Shia 'elders' twice making fun of Sunni beliefs (quite harshly), only to correct her that and prove that they're Shia beliefs as well (quite awkward for the poor lady).

Somethings that probably aren't related to Shia vs Sunni. Were:
*First: The youth who were there were MUCH nicer then the youth at the Shia centers I've been to. At the Shia centers I've been to, the youth generally would give me a cold shoulder and not respond to me when I say "Hi". Wheras the Sunnis were MUCH nicer (saying Hi, talking to me, ect).
*The Salah the Sunnis did was MUCH better then any of the Shia places I can remember. The rows were aligned properly, shoulder to shoulder, our feet close to our 'neighbors' (I believe the sunnah is less then 4 fingers) and everyone did the next 'step' at the same time properly (like ruku and sajdah) instead of having a 'race' with the imam.
* In the Sunni center, the people were MUCH more diverse. I met Pakis, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Afghans, White people, Mexicans, Malaysians, Indonesians, Palestinians, Somalian, Bosnians, and even Chinese (I didn't even ask everyone, so I might've missed a few cultures). This is unlike all the Shias places I've ever been to which is usually either Desi (Hindi/Paki) or Iranian (which are more of 'Cultural Centers' then actual Masjids) or Iraqi or Afghan.
Anyhow, that was my experience. I told my mom that I 'made friends' (which I did) so I'm hoping I'll be able to go to more events!
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Furkan on November 01, 2015, 09:48:33 PM
Nice to hear your visit went quite well, brother. :D
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Farid on November 02, 2015, 12:15:49 AM
@ Bolani Muslim:

Glad you had fun. =]
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Ibn Yahya on November 02, 2015, 01:46:53 AM
I remember my first visit to a Sunni Masjid. The brothers there corrected my prayer instantaneously and were very welcoming
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Bolani Muslim on June 02, 2016, 03:54:53 AM
Hey guys, it's been a while, thought I'd update.

So I've told y'all about my mom before, a head at the local Husseiniya since its inception ~7 years ago, read countless books by Tijani and others, watches and supports nearly all Shia TV channels, told me 'questioning deen will bring me to hell', yelling at me, made up fake stories about 'people meeting Wahabis', made fun of Sunni ulema, etc a long time ago. Well Alhamdulillah she's changed alot!.

The most shocking thing was when we were talking about deen and she told me 2 days ago "How can I curse Abu Bakr and Omar when they're better then me and have done good work for Islam, while I have done nothing." She openly says that mutah is haraam and "Sunnis are correct on this issue" and now encourages me to go to the Sunni masjid after seeing that the people there are better influences on me then in the Shia center (she wants me to be a teacher there to kids). She caught me at the airport folding my hands in salaat and told me a few days later at home "I know you cross them when you pray in school as well" without getting mad. I always thought she was a hopeless case, but she's changed so much in 2 years that I can't believe it! She doesn't even allow my dad to curse anymore. Before if I said anything or she asked me something and I answered 'wrong', she'd yell and lecture about Ghadeer or something, but now she openly says (along with me) that "Certain (Shia) doctrines are wrong and don't make sense." She used to get mad at me if I read 'Sunnat Muakkata' prayers, because it's a 'Sunni thing', but now leaves me alone. She used to say that 'Aliun Waliullah' in the azan defines us, but now doesn't say it!

My dad is a different case, he proudly believes in tahrif, hates Sahaba ra, blames Sunnis for everything, etc (unless Sunni family/friends are in the house or he's talking about his friends). What's amazing is even with all these influences (husband, relatives, Shia TV channels, always at the Husseiniya listening and talking with the mullah, reading countless 'Sunni rebuttal' books, etc), my mom doesn't accept much of what they say and only 5 minutes of me talking with her makes a big difference. She told me later that She will 'investigate' for herself and will throw away any beliefs that are wrong.

What I feel has made a difference with my mom occurred 2 ways, through me and herself. Firstly, she's always read lots of Quran, but never translation, now she's doing both and has noticed in her Shia translation that important topics like "Imamate, Khums, Ahl Bayt" never show up, but things like "Salaat, Zakaat, Tawhid, being good, etc" come up alot! With me, everytime she has a claim or I bring up a topic, I easily answer, especially now after 2 years, with a valid rebuttal that she can't deny. She's the kind of person who has all her faith in mullahs, and when my local mullah says something then at home I prove her otherwise, her world is turned upsidedown and if 'the mullah is wrong on core topics, then anything can be wrong.' Such as showing from sistani.org that 'Aliun Waliullah' isn't a part of the azan, the Prophet (saw) had 4 daughters from, 2 married Uthmaan (ra) and the different excuses Shias come up with, age of Ayesha (ra), enmity Shias have for Sahaba (ra), comparing the Shia narration of compilation of Quran with the Sunni, discussing logic, and maybe a few other things. A problem my mom has is why Shias have such reactionary reactions to everything yet never a 'concise' answer to nothing, why Shia mullahs preach against Shiaism, why such terrible akhlaq, and why they don't know about difference of opinion. Inshallah the trend continues, my goal is to have her stop wearing her 'Ya Ali Madad' pin (she says 'Ya Ali Madad' means 'Ya Ali help me by praying for me').

We don't talk about 'controversial' religion often (max 2 times a month) and when we do, it's only for a few mins, but it's affected her alot. Most of the change is recent, so I might be a bit more 'pushy' with her. I've become more lax recently and don't have the same fear as before (online or in person). I haven't told any Sunni friend that I'm raised Shia yet, but some know that my family's 'mixed' and my cousin is a Khamenei lover (don't ask how they know XD). On another note, now that I don't worry about deen, I've become much more open and maybe a little cool  8)

*Didn't realize I'd write so much  ::)
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Farid on June 02, 2016, 04:46:00 AM
Barak Allah feek. Stay strong. =]
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: MuslimK on June 02, 2016, 04:31:24 PM
Praise be to Allah.

Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: muslim720 on June 02, 2016, 08:32:40 PM
My dad is a different case, he proudly believes in tahrif, hates Sahaba ra, blames Sunnis for everything, etc (unless Sunni family/friends are in the house or he's talking about his friends).

Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakathu,
You, like me, are an Afghan and I always believed (from what I had experienced growing up around Shias) that Afghan Shias are very laid back and "moderate" (unlike Iranian, Pakistani and Iraqi Shias).  While I know many Afghan Shias who are far from the Rawaafidh beliefs, I am appalled to know that your father is like this (especially the fact that he believes in tahreef).  Perhaps Afghan Shias in the West are more caught up in this sectarian rife and free access to channels run by clowns like Shaytanyari add to the whole problem.

Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Bolani Muslim on June 03, 2016, 03:00:51 AM
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakathu,
You, like me, are an Afghan and I always believed (from what I had experienced growing up around Shias) that Afghan Shias are very laid back and "moderate" (unlike Iranian, Pakistani and Iraqi Shias).
In general I've noticed the same thing that Afghan Shias are more relaxed, especially the ones from areas where the great majority are Sunnis such as my mom and dad (my mom more then my dad). I know a Shia family from a Sunni dominated part of Kabul that keep a sign in the house saying 'Abu Bakr Umar Usman Ali (ra)' and who's 15 year old son (before being educated at the ImamBara) said "Abu Bakr is the first Caliph." The ones from highly Shia areas like Sanglakht tend to be sectarian like the Hazaras. The confusing part is that often times they will say one thing, but not mean it (goes both ways), so unless you know them, you won't know what's truly in their heart. An 'aunt' was at my house and said "I hate Sunnis, they're worse then Kafirs" and my real aunt responded "I agree", even though she doesn't agree with her at all!

While I know many Afghan Shias who are far from the Rawaafidh beliefs, I am appalled to know that your father is like this (especially the fact that he believes in tahreef). 
The belief of tahreef is quite common, all the 'elders' I know believe in it. Allayari is the one who promotes it on his channel. When my dad and the grandpa of the 'family friend' (who keeps the sign in his house) were in Kabul, they publicly cursed Sahaba (ra), though they'd get beat-up sometimes. The thing with my dad is that he has a grudge against everyone, he'd probably be more mad if I married a Hazara then a Sunni (even though he's in-love with a Hazara mullah). My uncle who most of his friends are Sunnis and is always invited to their houses, tells me explicitly that "Sunnis are kafir." My mom who has mostly Shia friends has always been 'chill' compared to other Shias.

Perhaps Afghan Shias in the West are more caught up in this sectarian rife and free access to channels run by clowns like Shaytanyari add to the whole problem.
No, this isn't something new. He's just reminding them of their beliefs (my family hated Sahaba even back home). Do you honestly think that my uncle would go to your house and tell you that "You're a kafir" to your face? It's a sensitive issue and as someone from the 'outside' it may be hard for you to imagine that your 'kaka' might be saying these things. Generally if a Shia is religious and knows about their faith, they will be like this, though not always.

Both my parents have mixed marriages in the family. This is a delicate issue as every Shia person is different.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: muslim720 on June 03, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
I know a Shia family from a Sunni dominated part of Kabul that keep a sign in the house saying 'Abu Bakr Umar Usman Ali (ra)' and who's 15 year old son (before being educated at the ImamBara) said "Abu Bakr is the first Caliph."

May Allah [swt] bless them for their open-mindedness.  However, I have met a few Shias (some from Iraq) who hate the first three Caliphs [ra] to the core but they refer to them as, "Khalifa Umar", et cetera.  But it is a first that a Shia family has the names of the four Rightly Guided Caliphs [ra] in their house.

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The ones from highly Shia areas like Sanglakht tend to be sectarian like the Hazaras. The confusing part is that often times they will say one thing, but not mean it (goes both ways), so unless you know them, you won't know what's truly in their heart. An 'aunt' was at my house and said "I hate Sunnis, they're worse then Kafirs" and my real aunt responded "I agree", even though she doesn't agree with her at all!

See, I was raised in New Delhi and thereafter, my family moved to the US.  We had Shia neighbors in New Delhi and every Muharram, especially on Ashura, the Sunnis would beat the Shias to things like doing khatem (of Qur'an), preparing and distributing halwa, et cetera.  So I always saw Shias as a minority who would love to be accepted by the Sunni majority while the Sunnis hated (and rejected) them.  When I was confronted by a Shia back in 2010 (before I knew anything about them), I realized how wrong I was!

"I hate Sunnis, they're worse than Kafirs", wow!

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The belief of tahreef is quite common, all the 'elders' I know believe in it.

We have mixed marriages in the family.  I have yet to hear this from one of the far-distant Shia relatives.

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The thing with my dad is that he has a grudge against everyone

Aren't all Afghan dads like that?  haha!

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My uncle who most of his friends are Sunnis and is always invited to their houses, tells me explicitly that "Sunnis are kafir."

Now that, I am sorry to say, is straight up "namak haraami".  Allah [swt] is my witness and every time I debate the Rawaafidh (not Shias), I feel so guilty that I feel the need to make it up to my Shia friends, acquaintances and teachers.  Of course I do not tell them....well except one of my best friends who is a Shia by name but identifies more with Sunnis.  The things I tell him - how the Shias curse the wives [ra] of the Prophet [saw], believe in tahreef, et cetera - only causes for one word to escape from his lips repeatedly, "astaghfurellah".  Sometimes he just requests me to stop.  He believes that listening, or being exposed, to such kufr can disturb your inner peace.  I agree with him.

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No, this isn't something new. He's just reminding them of their beliefs (my family hated Sahaba even back home). Do you honestly think that my uncle would go to your house and tell you that "You're a kafir" to your face?

Well, I would love for him to do so.  It would take me less than five minutes to render him helpless (no disrespect to your uncle and your family).
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Abu Zayd on June 07, 2016, 09:39:27 PM
We don't talk about 'controversial' religion often (max 2 times a month) and when we do, it's only for a few mins, but it's affected her alot. Most of the change is recent, so I might be a bit more 'pushy' with her. I've become more lax recently and don't have the same fear as before (online or in person). I haven't told any Sunni friend that I'm raised Shia yet, but some know that my family's 'mixed' and my cousin is a Khamenei lover (don't ask how they know XD). On another note, now that I don't worry about deen, I've become much more open and maybe a little cool  8)

I've always thought that it's essential to be able to have frank and open discussions with family, particularly with parents. I know that when my children are older then Inshallah they will be able to approach me to discuss anything to do with religion, and no doubt they will with half their family being Sunni and the other half Shia.    Like many people from India/Pakistan my parents have mixed religion and culture/traditions so it's very difficult to have any sort of conversation with them and they've both pretty much deny that I'm no longer Shia because it...just doesn't make sense to them.
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Bolani Muslim on June 14, 2016, 03:36:31 AM
Hey guys, I have some updates. My mom knows my secret and supports me mostly. I've been to tarawih and it was cool, not as scary as I thought it would be!

*I wrote lots, but it got deleted and I'm tired!
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: Farid on June 14, 2016, 06:23:39 AM
Hahah, that used to happen to me all the time.

I'm glad about things working out for you with your mom. =]
Title: Re: Why a 15 year old left Shiaism
Post by: ShiaMan on July 13, 2016, 12:55:06 AM
I for one completely believe Bolani Muslim