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Title: Authors of 400 Shia Usoul are mostly unknown
Post by: Hani on June 22, 2015, 09:22:11 PM




The first Majlisi says in Rawdat-ul-Muttaqeen fi Sharh man la Yahduruhu al-Faqih, volume 1, chapter on the rulings of water, page 197:


فإنك إذا تتبعت كتب الرجال وجدت أكثر أصحاب الأصول الأربعمائة غير مذكور في شأنهم تعديل و لا جرح (إما) لأنه يكفي في مدحهم و توثيقهم أنهم أصحاب الأصول فإن أصحاب الإمام أبي عبد الله جعفر بن محمد الصادق عليه السلام المصنفين للكتب كانوا أربعة آلاف رجال ... ( وإما ) لبعد العهد بين أرباب الرجال و بين أصحاب الأصول و غيرهم من أصحاب الكتب التي تزيد على ثمانين ألف كتاب كما يظهر من التتبع



"If you were to closely study the books on the biographies of narrators, you will discover that most of the authors of the four-hundred Usoul have not received any praise or disparagement; this is either because their reliability and praise were established based on them being from the authors of the Usoul (...) Or because of the long period of time that sets them apart from the scholars who specialize in the condition of narrators..."



So their main Usoul books, the fundamental books of Hadith (fabricated) by the Koufans, are mostly unreliable due to the anonymity of their authors.


I'd like to get Farid's comments on this, the significance of their Usoul as well as establishing a man's reliability based on the fact that he authored one of these books.
Title: Re: Authors of 400 Shia Usoul are mostly unknown
Post by: Khaled on June 22, 2015, 10:11:42 PM
... their reliability and praise were established based on them being from the authors of the Usoul (...)

Back to the circular logic I see
Title: Re: Authors of 400 Shia Usoul are mostly unknown
Post by: Farid on June 26, 2015, 02:34:02 AM
Indeed, more circular logic here.

Sounds like adalat al sahaba without Qur'nic evidence. I was thinking of writing a little article about this.